Can anyone tell me something about the current age and whereabouts of Crowley's son Aleister Ataturk McAlpine? Any other children. living or dead?
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According to Martin Booth's biography, Aleister Ataturk Crowley was 10 in 1947 at the time of his fathers death in December of that year. Booth claims that his formal education started in 1948 at Wester Eichies, the Gordonstoun preparatoy school, before going to the US sometime later.
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My thanks to one of the most prominent Crowley scholars for the following:
Charles Edward d'Arquires (formerly known as Randall Gair Doherty formerly known as Aleister Attaturk formerly known as Aleister Macalpine), b. 2 May 1937, Newcastle-on-Tyne, died on 20 November 2002 in Chalfont St Peter, Bucks. All of the above is from the death certificate, which has an incorrect date and year of birth (mistakenly giving 11 May 1939). His birth certificate gives the name as Randal Giair Doherty, with that odd spelling.
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I've actually tried my best to find at least one photo of Aleister Ataturk (exept the know one where he's a toddler), but I didn't...
Does anyone know some pictures?
I really cant believe that there are no pictures of the one dead already in 21st century. 😉
Funny that I was actually reading this old post myself last night and tried to do a little digging using the internet.
I found that a lot more hits come up if you search under "Charles Edward d'Arquires"
A recent lot of his was up at auction in 2008 which is also linked on LAShTAL.
http://www.lashtal.com/forum/index.php/topic,3286.msg32488.html#msg32488
Does anyone know what that whole "Count Charles Edward d'Arquires"/"supreme court of england" thing was about anyway? Sounds like the sort of self-styled grandness his old dad would have done.
just to note:
the new Starfire II v.4 has a piece which may be of interest here
"Two Fragments on Ataturk by Ithell Colquhoun – reminiscences on the genesis and subsequent life of Crowley's son"
I read the following interesting post online today regarding d'Arquires, which suggests that AC may have another living grandson.
''Aleister Macalpine...aka Charles Edward D'Arquies born May 2nd 1937 (born the day after his planned birth of Beltane day) lived a very unhappy schizophrenic life. I was there in Madron, Cornwall the day he set he set off for London as the Count Charles Edward D'Arquies with Peter Bishop in tow, they stayed at the Dorchester Hotel (1976) His son Aleister Macalpine (born June 20th 1968) is my brother, named after him. We treasure his sad memory and the pressures that were unfortunately bestowed upon him by his father Aleister Crowley. He became a deeply religious man in his later years, and was found living on a park bench, just off the Talbot road in London, with his suitcases neatly organized.''
A very interesting and lengthy article, about Aleister Ataturk McAlpine, appeared in Starfire magazine a little while ago. I don't have the issue to hand, but I'm sure others will be able to provide the issue details.
The article appeared in the last issue to date, Volume 2 Number 4. It consisted of two written accounts by Ithel Colquhoun, who knew Ataturk's mother and, of course, Ataturk himself.
Yes I enjoyed reading that in the last issue, really interesting accounts.
Here is a photo of Aleister Ataturk in later life, I think I can see a resemblance to his father in the face.
And to accompany Colquhoun's article in Starfire Volume 2 Number 4, I've also attached one of the newspaper clippings mentioned.
John H.
oh you've added a picture of John H.
(John who??)
(John who??)
That's just my forum signare. If there's any interest I have a family photo of D'Arquies with one of his sons which I can upload.
(John who??)
That's just my forum signare. If there's any interest I have a family photo of D'Arquies with one of his sons which I can upload.
I'd be interested in seeing it, stanforda.
With D'Arquies at the top and his son Aleister Macalpine (born June 20th 1968) in the middle there wearing the yellow waterproof.
The previous 1980 photo of D'Arquies in his full regalia has this hand written note on the reverse side.
The images don't appear to have been loaded correctly.
Is this one visible? The guy in the yellow is actually the Count himself I've just discovered, so I'm not sure who the worried looking chap at the top is.
Image is fine - thanks.
I am getting quite confused now. We have two captions for what is apparently the same photograph:-
With D'Arquies at the top and his son Aleister Macalpine (born June 20th 1968) in the middle there wearing the yellow waterproof.
The guy in the yellow is actually the Count himself I've just discovered, so I'm not sure who the worried looking chap at the top is.
Do the captions relate to the same photograph? If so, could you please clarify, exactly what we are looking at.
Thank you.
Yeah the captions were for the same photo, the guy in the yellow is in fact Aleister Ataturk McAlpine, I originally thought it was his son of the same name. I confused myself!
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I just found this old thread after being made aware of its existence on my new thread here:
And linking to this article:
http://www.artcornwall.org/features/Aleister_Crowley_Ataturk_McAlpine.htm
Can anyone tell me something about the current age and whereabouts of Crowley's son Aleister Ataturk McAlpine? Any other children. living or dead?
-whodareswings
Aleister Ataturk Crowley was born in 1937 and died in a car crash 2002.
"michaelclarke18" wrote:A very interesting and lengthy article, about Aleister Ataturk McAlpine, appeared in Starfire magazine a little while ago. I don't have the issue to hand, but I'm sure others will be able to provide the issue details.The article appeared in the last issue to date, Volume 2 Number 4. It consisted of two written accounts by Ithel Colquhoun, who knew Ataturk's mother and, of course, Ataturk himself.
Glad you have found another box of Starfire magazine, Volume 2 Number 4 in storage Michael, "proper job" as Cornish say. Of course, due to my upbringing with my Cornish mother many years ago on the Gwavas Estate, Chywoone Hill, Newlyn, Kernow (Kernewek=Cornwall) when Aleister Ataturk was our neighbour (and a local celebrity in Newlyn, Penzance and West Cornwall) in a caravan in the grounds of Wheal Betsy House, Chywoone Hill, Newlyn, I have just ordered this back issue, and previously some other publications from you a few days ago - Servants of the Star and Snake and Remembering Aleister Crowley (I already had the latter, but purchased another one for a Persian lady pen friend of mine who loves The Master Therion, as a birthday gift for her).
http://www.starfirepublishing.co.uk/Starfire24_available.htm
Ps. The late Cornish historian, Pagan, author and politician Dr James Whetter was a good friend of mine (he knew a little about AC), and I kept in touch with him and subscribed to his quarterly cultural journal An Baner Kernewek after I moved "up country" to England.
Kernow Bys Vyken!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Whetter
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The first documentary includes interesting archive interview clips with Deidre Patricia MacLellan (nee Doherty), the young mistress of Aleister Crowley and the mother of Aleister Ataturk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BonRIak_0bo