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Mazus
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21/11/2015 8:29 pm  

Hi everybody
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Does anybody know if there has been a biography written about Charles Stansfeld Jones? There doesn't appear to be a whole lot on the net.

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JNSmith
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23/11/2015 12:31 am  

Hi Mazus,

I fear this wont be much help but there is a biography of sorts "Son of the Magus: A Biographic Essay Composed from the Writings of Frater Achad" which was put together around the early 1970s.

Sadly it only exists as a typescript, copies of which circulated, I think, within the Universal Brotherhood.

Its an interesting thing and should, in my opinion, be properly published. I suspect there might be copyright issues but really don't know for sure though others here might have a better idea...

REGARDS!

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Mazus
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23/11/2015 1:20 am  

Thank you for that information. Regrettably a search for 'Universal Brotherhood' throws up all sorts of things.

It would appear that this is a biography waiting to be written. Probably not a huge seller, but I'd buy one!

Thanks again.


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23/11/2015 7:50 am  

93!

More material can be found in Jerry Cornelius' ESSAYS 2:

http://www.cornelius93.com/Essay2.html

which contains

No.76 – ON FRATER ACHAD
Being the story on the rise and fall of a Magister Templi – Charles Stansfeld Jones
by J. Edward Cornelius (January 21st 2015), 79 pgs
This is not a standard biography. It is from the point-of-view of Frater AO583, a Magister Templi
himself, examining the life of another Magister Templi using hundreds of unpublished letters from
Aleister Crowley addressing why he believed Achad had failed to fully cross the Abyss. Also includes
the foundation of the O.T.O. in North America as well as the secrets behind the Order’s sexual
practices.

Love=Law
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Michael Staley
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23/11/2015 10:50 am  

I agree that a biographical study of Achad's life, work and development is long overdue. I'd like to do it myself one day, since I find much to admire about him, particularly in the 1948/1949 correspondence with Gerald Yorke amd more particularly the correspondence relating to the incoming of the Ma-Ion in 1948.

Personally I think he was treated very badly by Crowley, but then again who wasn't apart from a few such as Eckenstein and Allan Bennett. I don't think that Crowley was in a position to pontificate on who had and who hadn't "fully" crossed the Abyss.


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Mazus
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23/11/2015 6:53 pm  

Thank you Michael,
Yes, I must admit that I had thought about Starfire and the excellent work that you do. Jones' personality and his intellectual capacity is fascinating and it will be good to read Jerry's chapter. Yes, like a great many people, he got bad treatment from AC who may have felt somewhat threatened by the guy. Another aspect of this story that would be good to see interpreted.
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23/11/2015 11:58 pm  

The interesting thing was that Achad claimed 10=1 and then started telling Therion (a mere 9=2) what to do. Unfortunately, I can't remember if that came before or after AC started downplaying Achad's "attainment."


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24/11/2015 4:12 am  

"a mere 9=2"

Self-styled...in Dr. Benway's School of Dentistry.

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24/11/2015 9:45 pm  

Well, yes, AC was considered by Achad to "merely" be a 9=2, while he (Achad) had become an Ipsissimus. Then, as I remember it, he proclaimed the Aeon of Maat.

Some quotes from Seckler's bio of Jane Wolfe:

"O.P.V. [Mudd] also wrote that Achad had been suspended from his functions in the Order at the beginning of August and he had resigned from it altogether by the end of that month.
Aleister left Weida a few days after the Fall Equinox that year but got stranded in Marseilles with ptomaine poisoning and had to write for money."
[The Weida Conference [in 1925]was meant to consolidate Crowley's claims to be
the Outer Head of Ordo Templi Orientis and the expected World Teacher.]

"Wilfred Talbot Smith was born in England, an illegitimate child, and as a result of this, spent a miserable childhood, especially in school, where a certain type of English sadist seems to reign. His education was extremely poor but he managed to get to Canada. He had been interested in the Ordo Templi Orientis for quite sometime, and about 1917, in Kamloops, he had started a Lodge in a garage just off an alley. His members had to climb up a ladder and up through the floor to get to the Lodge meetings.
"This was somewhat remarkable as Wilfred was working among loggers and did net have an outstanding position in the community. He was connected to the O.T.O. under Reuss, which was also the connection for Achad (Charles Stansfeld Jones). When these two began their work, they did not have the Crowley rituals nor the work printed for the O.T.O. in the BLUE EQUINOX as these were to be done much later. They were working by the old German form of ritual and teachings.
"Wilfred later worked with Achad in Vancouver and it was here that the conversion was done to the Thelemic type of ritual and teachings with LIBER AL as the center of their work. The story about money was the same in Vancouver and often Wilfred and Jones would pay the fees of the Minerval members for them. But they too were able to send money to Aleister, especially when he was in America, as the diaries of Aleister clearly show."

"On November 28 of that year [1939], the household had a rather interesting visitor:
"Charles Stansfeld Jones - Frater Achad of A.'.A.'., now of the Roman Catholic Church and the Universal Brotherhood, which Wilfred thinks must have Roman Catholic connections, in for lunch and the afternoon. Nine years since he stopped on his way from England to Vancouver. During these years a definite change: no future, no planning, collecting books, visiting U.B. Brethren. Age Pervades his atmosphere - decay has set in & Wilfred said he felt like a father talking to a child. On joining the church, (I now realize he was not asked), he went in for rigorous training and discipline and I am wondering if it was not a necessary fight for anchorage against battles of doubts, etc., etc. He is 54 years of age and will adopt 2 more tiny girls, the other one, the first, is now 27, unmarried, and content to remain at home. The babies are 2 years and 6 months old." "

"In a lengthy letter to Jane of Dec. 7, 1948, Karl discussed several matters about the people in California and then had this to say about some of the past history:
"Now one very serious word about Jones-Smith: 666 long ago discarded Jones-Achad completely, fully and forever. He wrote long ago that Jones was possibly to become a Black Brother. 666 knew the manipulations of his (Jones) against him which were black indeed. I have since made my own experiences with Jones. His U.B., I hear, asks from the joiners a photo and a lock from the left temple. Think yourself whether that could be done in a truly White organization."
[Note: Why not? Solar Lodge took a lock of hair at the first degree that was only used as a ceremonial "severing mechanism" if and when a person quit. It was never used for revenge or any other purpose.]
"However, Jones holds from Reuss a Charter for the O.T.O. for the whole of English North America, I think, ad vitam, which means that after A.C.'s death he could make all kinds of difficulties in and for the O.T.O. over here and for other parts of the World. He could actually give a Charter to Smith and a genuine Charter at that.
"All this makes for actual or possible complications, which make me sometimes think of putting the "Order of Thelemites" on an entirely new basis, for which I need consultations with other leading Brethren, and prolonged consultations too. 666 could, even as O.H.O., not revoke Jones' Charter, because it was ad vitam."


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Michael Staley
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25/11/2015 11:04 am  

Well, yes, AC was considered by Achad to “merely” be a 9=2, while he (Achad) had become an Ipsissimus. Then, as I remember it, he proclaimed the Aeon of Maat.

Then you remember it incorrectly. The Incoming of the Ma-Ion was declared by Achad on the 2nd April 1948. This was long after the legal sundering of relations between Achad and Crowley in 1926; and long after the 1936 correspondence between the two, initiated by Crowley and culminating in the supposed expulsion of Achad from the O.T.O. when Achad had reminded him that his (Crowley's) chartering of Smith was invalid.

Achad's correspondence with Yorke in 1948-49 is considered and level-headed. No trace whatever of sentiments such as "I am Ipsissimus and he a mere Magus". No trace of the insanity of which Crowley accused Achad to anyone who would listen.

After Crowley's death Germer was paranoid about Achad, partly because Crowley had told him how awful Achad was, and partly because Germer knew that Achad's charter from Reuss was ad vitam and thus not only was Crowley's expulsion of Achad invalid, but so was Crowley's chartering of Smith.


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25/11/2015 2:42 pm  

I believe my sequence is correct. No mention is made of "how long" a period of time elapsed between his 10=1 and his declaration of the new, New Aeon.


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25/11/2015 7:50 pm  

I wish to add that I was aware that Achad's Ipsissimus experience and his subsequent falling out with AC, and his proclaiming of a new, New Aeon were separated by many years ... but I can see how my posted sentence might have been interpreted as his proclamation coming along earlier, in conjunction with his Ipsissimusity.

The fact that he was 10th degree ad vitam for English North America (which meant USA and Canada) shows us that he could have been a potent force in OTO society ... but he obviously chose to pursue some other path.

Wkipedia tells us ...

"In 1924, Jones was superintending about 70 members of U.B. [Universal Brotherhood], and he formed a plan for subsuming Thelema into the U.B. as a Grama or "Integral Body," which would perpetuate some O.T.O. and A.'.A.'. materials "in their pure form." He communicated this idea to Wilfred T. Smith, who was at that time his subordinate in both the U.B. and A.'.A.'. , but Smith's interest in the U.B. was slight and waning.

Annie Besant, as head of the Theosophical Society, strictly forbade cross-membership in the U.B. As Crowley became aware of the involvement of his followers, he likewise denounced the U.B., calling it a "swindle" in correspondence with Jones. Many of those who left the Theosophical Society for the U.B. under pressure from Besant later converted to Roman Catholicism.

In 1928, Jones himself became a Roman Catholic, undergoing baptism and confirmation into the laity of that church. At roughly the same time, he succeeded to the U.B. office of Mahaguru, thus becoming the chief of that organization. Jones continued to hold that office, apparently until his death. Jones was succeeded as Mahaguru by John P. Kowal (1900–1978).

The true aims of the U.B. remain obscure, but it has been accused by Wilfred T. Smith, among others, of acting as a front for Roman Catholic infiltration of occult groups; and by former member Paul Foster Case of being inspired by the Bavarian Illuminati. Mahaguru John P. Kowal told Martin Starr that its purpose was "to make men think."

----------- end Wiki quote --------------

Aha! I knew it! It was the Illuminati, after all, as it was, is, and always shall be, in every case of obscure occultism.

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Francis
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17/04/2017 3:59 pm  

I was always confused why he would join the RC church. He seemed so advanced in his occult studies, what could the church have to offer him as far as knowledge.
I know his wife was a devout Catholic, so maybe that's why he joined?
His son said he didn't attend mass.


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01/04/2019 4:13 pm  

I'm trying to answer a history question. Did Achad resign from "any A.'.A.'. connected to Crowley?"


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Michael Staley
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01/04/2019 5:22 pm  

@Francis

I know his wife was a devout Catholic, so maybe that’s why he joined?

Perhaps a contributory factor. However, there is a letter I have seen from his then Mahaguru in the Universal Brotherhood suggesting that he should join the Roman Catholic Church. Obviously he would not have gone ahead had he not been so minded, but I think the advice from the Mahaguru swung it, as I believe young people say.

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No, I don't think he ever resigned from the A.’.A.’.


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01/04/2019 8:11 pm  

The end of the Rope of Tolerance for Crowley was when Achad proclaimed himself Ipsissimus and began to "Lord it" (as the old folks say) over Therion.

If he actually reached Kether, and took the imprint (underwent the initiation), then a few outcomes are possible.

One is that he depart (die).
Two is that he remain in place, continuing the work, in the A.'.A.'., but without claiming or announcing "high-up-there grades."
Three is that he remain in place, continuing the work, in some other way ... for he had perceived that the symbol/emblem/designator " A.'.A.'. " did not exist.

A.'.A.'. is merely AC's name/title/slogan that he impressed upon his approach to navigating the one, true, invisible spectrum of consciousness (which currently is under attempt to copyright it by certain individuals ... we may all laugh here). His system was/is essentially a streamlined version of the Golden Dawn system, and I have heard that A.'.A.'. was the designation of the Supernal Order in said G.'.D.'. terminology, which I have been unable to document.

Anyway, the three dots, .'., came to Ac through the G.'.D.'. as a standard cipher/abbreviation used by Freemasons, upon which craft the G.'.D.'. was modeled, and so was Crowley's A.'.A.'.. The letters AA merely stand for Astrum Argenteum , which is Latin for "Silver Star."

I have never encountered any resignation letter or scenario wherein Achad quit the A.'.A.'., but why should there be one? Any 8=3 can form his/her own Order ... "along the lines of the R.'.C.'. and G.'.D.'. based on info/data/perspectives that are NOT included in the A.'.A.'. curriculum.' ( allose quote).

The A.'.A.'. does not exist ... except in the minds and vocabulary of those who chose to continue in that nomenclature as a curriculum, or as something to covet in order to dominate the Thelemic realm.

I will now repeat my long-standing, free advice to aspirants who imagine they have attained, or will attain, to Binah: Don't get caught up in the terminology tribunal; utilize the A.'.A.'. curriculum (because it's the most practical), but call/name/christen your system something, anything, other than A.'.A.'..


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