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"UNITED" by the English industrial music pioneers includes Aleister Crowley's Thelemic saying "Love is the law".

Lead singer Genesis P. Orridge expressed his admiration for To Mega Therion and Anton Szandor LaVey, for which he was sometimes criticized in the media and by intolerant Xists.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XpqCxJZdGs

 

Other relevant links here:

http://www.throbbing-gristle.com/

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2016/jul/01/magick-occult-returns-art-world-genesis-breyer-p-orridge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_P-Orridge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thee_Temple_ov_Psychick_Youth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_TV

 

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We had quite a lot of discussion of Genesis P.  and Psychick TV when he died a last year.


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Bit of a random OP post.

You know that tale Orridge spun about two elderly ladies approaching our control-freak when he was  but a child and randomly telling him that he would one day be important for magick?   I'm beginning to think it was baloney. 

 

 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Posted by: @dom

 I'm beginning to think it was baloney. 

I never heard that one. He doesn't mention this in his works (that I have read)(or can remember), so where did GenP get this tale?  Potential Baloney, possibly Shinola grade, pending evidence from anyone who knows this legendary rumor to be true.

 


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Posted by: @shiva

I never heard that one.

Nor have I-but it's not terribly momentous. A couple grannies (presumably witches) saw something special in Little Neil. They weren't exactly wrong, were they? Neil became Genesis, achieved notoriety and has even been written about and spotlighted by the New York Times. He certainly broke ground post-Crowley with a lot of his experiments.

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where did GenP get this tale?

I think he would have gotten it from the Grannies. 🙂 As to the source of his telling it, Dom might recall. An interview, perhaps?

Posted by: @shiva

Potential Baloney, possibly Shinola grade,

Better Shinola than...well, you know....a recent "hot topic" on the site.

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evidence from anyone who knows this legendary rumor to be true

Well, all parties are dead so I don't think we'll get a post from a new Lashtalian:

"Greetings, All. My name is Gertrude and I was, in fact, one of the women our Neil alluded to. It was actually my coven-sister, Mabel, who received a vision upon seeing the lad and thus spoke. These days, I am quite old (149 this year) and I live at Harmony Hills Retirement Home. During one of my toiletings, I noticed my nurse had a Psychick Cross tattooed on her wrist. I didn't say a word but knew Mabel (who passed on on 2014) was right."

   


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He mentioned it in interviews here and there.   I recall that tale was told in a magazine.  

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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From the KILLING JOKE LOVE LIKE BLOOD GROUP...

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1956510784570905

 

https://www.killingjoke.co.uk/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_Joke

 

I mention Psychic TV and wish I was back in England.

"Ugh!" Jaz contorts his face into the most abominable shape. "Ugh! They're not musicians - they're not even people. They're disgusting. They are the scum of the earth! I don't like what they put out and publicly align themselves with. They disgust me. How can you even mention them?"

I offer vague apologies and he embarks on the first of many extreme but persuasive lectures: "I do everything on a systematic breakdown on the inevitable - especially when I talk about something like nuclear war - which I do all the time. It is something that scares everyone on the planet so I study it so that I can be familiar with the fears of the human race."

When Jaz talks about you and me, he does it using science-book terms, referring to the collective or the masses as if there was some superior intellect at work - his.

 

http://www.jokerplace.net/articles/1983-1986/mm160886.html

 

Nicky 'Vincenzo' Crane (1958-1993) appeared in the PSYCHIC TV video for "UNCLEAN", when it was well known that he was still involved in the Neo-Nazi movement in Britain. He later came out as a Gay skinhead, rejected the far-right and died of AIDS.

 

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JAZ COLEMAN WANTS YOU TO PICK A SIDE
 
“I am hardwired against fascism and I will speak out when I see it happening,” he says. “It’s happening. I gave it 40 years of people saying that I’m fucking cuckoo. And here we are. I’m not surprised at all. We’re in what we call the fourth industrial revolution. That means that a certain percentage of the workforce is going to be laid off. So we’re going to see a lot of unemployed people with no income, we don’t know how to feed them, and you can see it’s already happening around the world. Once you have the mindset of an elite that can call people ‘useless human material,’ that’s one step away from committing genocide. I’ve always been blunt about it. This is the last opportunity to say who you are and take sides.”
Back to that new single, “On the Day the Earth Went Mad,” and Coleman says that he wrote the lyrics ten minutes before he first sang them — the way he’s done things all his career. That way, he says that he gets to capture the moment like a photograph. Of course, given his gift for seeing into the future, his mind has a little more going on than simply “capturing.”
 
 
 
 
 

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Say, this looks just like those guys who sit in little circles while channeling demons (who are being reviled reviewed on that other thread. 

I have long been commenting on how I have never seen a shape-shifter, but now the veil is being lifted and we all get to watch the phenomenal phenomena. I wonder if they use drugs to exhibit their true nature?

Posted by: @falcon (quoting Jaz)

We’re in what we call the fourth industrial revolution.

Yes, and it's also the 4D fourth dimension - the astral realm - where people cannot hide their true nature.

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his mind has a little more going on than simply “capturing.”

Holy cow and the forty thieves! You are more proficient in posting links than Frater WellReadandBred. There are too many links to read, so I'll just take your word for it - based on an actual picture of a demon.

Along these lines, and not stated elsewhere, I need to express my opinion about these demons. I am of the mind-pattern that the demons (as well as the gods and the angels, too) are just a part of everyone's psyche. These shape-shifters are not manifesting some external entity. They are merely calling up some aspect of their (normally subconscious) being.

The A.'.A.'. curriculum has Tasks involving talisman-making and evocation. I always thought we were supposed to "control" the demon (in the triangle) while staying inside an 11-foot circle. Instead I see shape-shifters sitting in 4-foot circle (and now, with this thread, on-stage) while channeling demons.

 


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Posted by: @shiva

I always thought we were supposed to "control" the demon (in the triangle) while staying inside an 11-foot circle. Instead I see shape-shifters sitting in 4-foot circle (and now, with this thread, on-stage) while channeling demons.

The worlds gone to Hell in a band hasket.  Ding dong. we're all mad here. 


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we're all mad here. 

We are watching our version of our karmic vision. Here in our Citadel in Cyberspace, we probably have a slightly different viewpoint than those who have not yet read Ch 3. So far, we have been "chosen" to watch the show rather than participate.


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Say, this looks just like those guys who sit in little circles while channeling demons (who are being reviled reviewed on that other thread. 

I have long been commenting on how I have never seen a shape-shifter, but now the veil is being lifted and we all get to watch the phenomenal phenomena. I wonder if they use drugs to exhibit their true nature?

 

Shiva you are a typical American.  If someone doesn't have the perfect white boy or white girl Triumph of the Will beauty then they can F off. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Shiva you are a typical American.  If someone doesn't have the perfect white boy or white girl Triumph of the Will beauty then they can F off. 

A tad overstated, Dom. Surely there are very, very few people in the USA who look anything like "the perfect white boy or white girl Triumph of the Will beauty".


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Posted by: @michael-staley
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Shiva you are a typical American.  If someone doesn't have the perfect white boy or white girl Triumph of the Will beauty then they can F off. 

A tad overstated, Dom. Surely there are very, very few people in the USA who look anything like "the perfect white boy or white girl Triumph of the Will beauty".

 Well duh. 

 

Do I now have to explain to you that I disagree with the American obsession with losers and 'the perfect' looking?  Maybe you don't get irony...or something? 

 

Shiva's post is about he thinks GPO 'looks like a demon'.  Hopefully you now follow the sequence?  Mind you Ignant666 said GPO looks 'profoundly creepy'.........

  

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Shiva you are a typical American.  If someone doesn't have the perfect white boy or white girl Triumph of the Will beauty then they can F off. 

I think you have gone over the edge with this racist post.

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A tad overstated, Dom.

Maybe a bit more than a tad.

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Do I now have to explain to you that I disagree with the American obsession with losers and 'the perfect' looking?

Probably ... because you are way out of line and creating national and ethnic division.

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he thinks GPO 'looks like a demon'.

Untrue. The exact quote is ...

Posted by: @shiva

Say, this looks just like those guys who sit in little circles while channeling demons (who are being reviled reviewed on that other thread. 

 


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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Maybe you don't get irony...or something?

Maybe you don't come over as ironic? I for one find it very hard to ascertain if you're trying to be ironic or not. For instance, a few days ago, you described Crowley as a "head case" - the sort of crap I would have expected from the "Daily Mail", but hardly from a long-standing member of this forum. (And don't get me started on the sheer and utter vulgarity of the term.)


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Posted by: @shiva

 

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

he thinks GPO 'looks like a demon'.

Untrue. The exact quote is ...

Posted by: @shiva

Say, this looks just like those guys who sit in little circles while channeling demons (who are being reviled reviewed on that other thread. 

 

The full quote is;

 

Say, this looks just like those guys who sit in little circles while channeling demons (who are being reviled reviewed on that other thread. 

I have long been commenting on how I have never seen a shape-shifter, but now the veil is being lifted and we all get to watch the phenomenal phenomena. I wonder if they use drugs to exhibit their true nature?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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The late Genesis P. was a very ugly man, and then a very ugly trans person. Not referring to his repugnant character, just not a handsome person physically.

In the pic Shiva is reacting to, he is contorting his face like a Tibetan demon, rendering him even uglier.

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

the American obsession with losers and 'the perfect' looking

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

a typical American.  If someone doesn't have the perfect white boy or white girl Triumph of the Will beauty then they can F off. 

A typical ignorant Englishman, who thinks he knows something about the USA from watching American television and a few days tourism?


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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

I have long been commenting on how I have never seen a shape-shifter, but now the veil is being lifted and we all get to watch the phenomenal phenomena. I wonder if they use drugs to exhibit their true nature?

Even in this "full quote" that you so triumphantly brandish, there's nothing to say or even suggest that GPO "looks like a demon".


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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

The full quote is

Rearrange these words amongst others to form a popular, well-known phrase:

"hole"

"digging"

"stop"

"when"

Just a thought, mate.


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Posted by: @michael-staley
Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

The full quote is

Rearrange these words amongst others to form a popular, well-known phrase:

"hole"

"digging"

"stop"

"when"

Just a thought, mate.

The mini debate (or your distortion) is over but you're still stirring it.  Shiva apparently does not think that GPO looks like a shape-shifting demon or a demon.  Shape-shifter maybe but shape-shifters don't look weird do they?.  Ok I accept that calling someone a shape-shifter can be deemed to be some sort of complement.  Right?  Cool.   Never realized that and how silly of me. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

how silly of me

Indeed.


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Re the OP I once had an official free TOPY introductory magazine and in it there were passages reproduced from the BOL but certain words were scribbled out and/or edited.   

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Posted by: @michael-staley

Even in this "full quote" that you so triumphantly brandish, there's nothing to say or even suggest that GPO "looks like a demon".

That was also my impression. If one (anyone) followed the video in the other thread, referenced somewhere above, they would have seen a person whose features began to contort, closely resembling the facial expression in the pic I selected in this thread. Such contortions merely suggest agony or something, but they do not include "demonic" horns, smoking ear canals, or fire-breathing. They (the other thread guys) are self-identified as channeling demons. I am open to the idea that GPO was channeling demons.

Nothing said is actually based on my nationality or yours. You are simply getting wound up and expressing your cyclic psychic aberration. However, since I am permanently psychically aberrated, you'll have to do better if you're going to catch up.

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Shiva apparently does not think that GPO looks like a shape-shifting demon or a demon.  Shape-shifter maybe but ...etc.  Cool. 

All subjects mentioned are exhibiting a shift in their posture and facial features. The are shifting their shapes. Anyone can do it by looking in a mirror (or not) and smiling.

Usually, from what I have seen, the right-hand, benevolent channelers do not shift their shape ... but their voice may change, mostly in intent. So what's going on with these LHP channels and vocalists? Something doesn't seem right (correct, or balanced).

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

End.

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Posted by: @shiva

So what's going on with these LHP channels and vocalists? Something doesn't seem right (correct, or balanced).

I blame Lavey and his need to make everything look scary,which means I blame Dennis Wheatley for being a huge influence on Lavey's aesthetic, which means I blame Rollo Ahmed for feeding Wheatley a lot of his information.  Montague Summers gets some of the blame too. And Blavatsky. 

 

Which doesn't mean that I don't enjoy the aesthetic, but some people take it to cartoonish levels, and take themselves too seriously while doing it. 


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blame Lavey ... et al.

That's a long list. You seem to have recited an intact lineage.

I blame myself, but I'm in no position to go on a tour, reforming the cartoonists.


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Posted by: @shiva

That's a long list. You seem to have recited an intact lineage.

I know the history of my Path.  😉  Unfortunately I have no idea where Ahmed got his information from, I don't know much about him aside from having read his book.  But Satanists in particular, true LHP or not, Immanent or Transcendent, owe a lot of their aesthetic to people who did not like them, many of the most prominent of who just made things up. Which is not to deny the effectiveness. Stories have power. 

 

Posted by: @shiva

I blame myself, but I'm in no position to go on a tour, reforming the cartoonists.

ok, we'll blame you and let everyone else off the hook. 😉 

 


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Posted by: @katrice

many of the most prominent of who just made things up. Which is not to deny the effectiveness.

The Thelemic current now has many lineages. The same description you just gave might apply to many of them.


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“ I have no idea where Ahmed got his information from “

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“from around the world and its history”
“ Born in 1899 to an Egyptian father and Guyanese mother, Abdul Said Ahmed aka Rollo Ahmed had a considerable presence in the occult community of London during the 1930’s.
Ahmed’s knowledge of the black arts from around the world and its history made him an expert with first-hand personal experience. He’d had encounters with Voodun, Obeah, werewolves in the Caribbean, and other tales. He was also a teacher of Raja Yoga which he counted Wheatly and the author’s wife as students.
An alleged member of The Left Hand Path, Ahmed was a fixture in London’s bohemian scene during the 30’s in his fez and white burnus could count “The worlds most wicked man” Aleister Crowley as a friend. “
https://horroraddicts.wordpress.com/2019/02/04/black-horror-history-black-occultist-rollo-ahmed/

https://sas-space.sas.ac.uk/5976/
https://sas-space.sas.ac.uk/5976/2/Rollo%20Ahmed%20pt.%202.%20Aug%202014%20no.317_redacted.pdf


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@katrice
“ I have no idea where Ahmed got his information from “

I should have phrased that better, I know that he claimed experience in a variety of practices.  I meant specifically on the LHP.  His information there reads like Montague Summers. Stories about literal undead vampires, Yezidi mind control towers, and other sensationalistic things


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interesting library here: http://www.ain23.com/topy.net/library.html


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