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dvd464
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29/03/2009 8:29 am  

I found this selected quote: “If an angel comes to me, what proof is there that they come from heaven and not from hell, or from the subconscious, or a pathological condition? What proves that they are addressed to me? What proof is there that I have been appointed to impose my choice and my conception of [hu]man on humanity? I’ll never find any proof or sign to convince me of that. If a voice addresses me, it is always for me to decide that this is the angel’s voice; if I consider that such an act is a good one, it is I who will choose to say that it is a good one, it is I who will choose to say that it is good rather than bad”. So says Sartre and goes on; one who does not ask themselves if their actions could be a guide to other humans should behave. People would have treated Crowley different back then in time. It is something we cannot know for sure because we are not there. It is sure that now, how others react to you and me, is differently. There was only one Christ, one Elvis, one Crowley but their followers are many. I bet the secret chiefs were behind these holy three but who are they behind nowadays? Anyone alive?
My yoga swami is due to visit our state this Easter and maybe in error but in one class we do a visualisation exercise which involves a walk in the desert and then a fortunate find of a well in an oasis. I could not help but to see myself through the minerval and some freemason degree. Could this be Thelema I stumbled upon? Or does it takes a whole lot more to be initiated? My theory is that we are all too quite and shy in these sceptical times…

Love/Lyk


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29/03/2009 11:27 am  
"dvd464" wrote:
There was only one Christ, one Elvis, one Crowley but their followers are many. I bet the secret chiefs were behind these holy three but who are they behind nowadays? Anyone alive?

Yes. Some of them quite in the open, under your nose if you will.


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Michael Staley
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29/03/2009 12:35 pm  
"dvd464" wrote:
“If an angel comes to me, what proof is there that they come from heaven and not from hell, or from the subconscious, or a pathological condition? What proves that they are addressed to me? What proof is there that I have been appointed to impose my choice and my conception of [hu]man on humanity? I’ll never find any proof or sign to convince me of that. If a voice addresses me, it is always for me to decide that this is the angel’s voice; if I consider that such an act is a good one, it is I who will choose to say that it is a good one, it is I who will choose to say that it is good rather than bad”

What an interesting quote by Sartre, and very pertinent to the recent "Is Crowley the author of Liber AL" thread which, although often tedious in the invective that some brought to it, was concerned with the reality and significance of what is often (mistakenly in my view) classed as "supernatural" phenomena.

Best wishes,

Michael.


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dvd464
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29/03/2009 5:36 pm  

Hi. Yes, I thought what I read was interesting too but do we really want to go there again? For me it’s a probably a pathological condition. It is only when I’m really high and drunk that I experience these ‘supernatural’ things or get the urge, for whatever reason, to post here on Lashtal.

Love/Lyk


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29/03/2009 5:59 pm  

Well,
its a wild world
a mad mind whirling jig
belevin in this and that.
Loping heads and limbs
drinking blood and dancing...
skeletons in the air
among the vultures and hyenas
passing through the charnel ground
howling at the moon
playing make believe in legal entities
and the hosts of objectified beings
that attend the different states of consciousness
laughing death
really
No Joke.

Thanks for Sartre dvd464

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ1PI9_eWUc


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Michael Staley
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29/03/2009 6:08 pm  
"dvd464" wrote:
Hi. Yes, I thought what I read was interesting too but do we really want to go there again? For me it’s a probably a pathological condition. It is only when I’m really high and drunk that I experience these ‘supernatural’ things or get the urge, for whatever reason, to post here on Lashtal.

If anybody wants to "go there again" then there's always the original thread to dig up and have fun with. I was merely expressing my opinion on the Sartre quote you kindly provided.

Best wishes,

Michael.


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dvd464
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30/03/2009 1:19 am  

My Pleasure. And thank you to the kind person who fixed the typo in the subject line 🙂


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30/03/2009 4:21 am  
"dvd464" wrote:
“If an angel comes to me, what proof is there that they come from heaven and not from hell, or from the subconscious, or a pathological condition?"

Answer: The Magical Alphabet.

Tim


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dvd464
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31/03/2009 2:14 pm  

Hi LAShTAL. Now you’ve made me paranoid. Are you the secret chiefs? In that case I fell like a fool in front of your highnesses. But are you not supposed to appear only on the astral, initiate me in my dreams and so on...?
I finished this book ‘Existentialism and Human Emotions’ only to find Sartre’s nihilism not very useful in the least. I have to agree with the old lady, Granny Wolf, whatever happened to her? She had sound opinions. We don’t wish to view the philosopher as an authority. However, some of the stuff here on the forums expounds very intelligently on many ontological matters.
Sartre talks of all beings being equal. If you would indulge me another quote, ‘Thus it amounts to the same thing whether one gets drunk alone or is a leader of nations. If one of these activities takes precedence over the other, this will not be because of its real goal but because of the degree of consciousness which it possesses of its ideal goal; and in this case it will be the quietism of the solitary drunkard which will take precedence over the vain agitation of the leader of nations’. This speaks to my ego because I drink alone and do not clink glasses with anyone at a G20.
http://jezebel.com/gossip/crap-email-from-a-dude/its-pretty-fucking-hard-to-question-what-your-head-tells-you-is-wisdom-314251.php. This is about love, ‘Sartre and Crowley agree for example that it is a paradox, but Sartre moralizes it negatively and Crowley positively. I should also be clear I am not in any way presently in love with you, though I did have very strong and irrational feelings for you at the time due to this dynamic’.
On the inside of my book was a blurb about a book edited by Dagobert D. Runes. It was such an unusual name it just had to be followed up. A Google search found that he founded the Philosophical Library where else but in California. This year’s February newsletter announces a class in ‘Divine Intuition and Guidance with the Angels’.
_ How do you know if it is truly your angels sending messages
or your imagination?
_ Deeper discussion of the 4 “clairs”
_ Seven-day plan for having an Angel Vision
_ Healing meditation
_ Everyone will experience an angel reading’
This sounds all very mystical to me. The whole ‘new age’ movement is bit naff but Crowley was certainly one of the torchbearers of whatever it has become.
I know only one thing for certain and that is, 1. My mother loves me. Nothing else is for sure but a lot of my earlier posts here make me blush and I wish them away and Abrahadabra, they are not there anymore. Still got to love this site.

Love/Lyk


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31/03/2009 11:55 pm  

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Just speaking as one voice out of many fraters and sorors...

You say your Mother loves you, but you will not clink glasses with anyone.
Do you not love Her in return?

Forgive me if I don't understand clearly.
Then don't you abandon us all?
Don't you refuse to be reconciled to She who loves you and all of her children?
Are you against Her family?
For we are all Mother, and Wife, and Daughter.
We are all Father, Husband, and Son.
We are all fraters and sorors.

But this is just my two cents.
Er... Her two cents...
Er... Your two cents...
Are we not All One?

Love is the Law. Love under Will.


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lashtal
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01/04/2009 1:05 am  

Remember the days when people posted on Internet Forums in complete sentences and without deliberate obscurity?

Only asking...

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01/04/2009 1:12 am  

Don't be afraid
to lose yourself
All face the Absolute indeterminate
in the mean time play create give it your best.


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01/04/2009 1:19 am  
"lashtal" wrote:
Remember the days when people posted on Internet Forums in complete sentences and without deliberate obscurity?

Clearly not.

[Sigh...]

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01/04/2009 1:19 am  

Only asking...

Yet in thy asking, thy masking doth ask thee:
Art thou the asker...or merely askee?
For the mask itself hath asked the self
"Art thou mine? Or thine?"

Tis not "only" when thou ask
Unless it only be thy Mask.
When through my riddle thou hast sifted
All obscurity shall be lifted.

93/418/378/722/974/4801

By Jove, it IS easier than complete sentences and clarity of thought!


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lashtal
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01/04/2009 1:30 am  

65765/9867

87675443:98796

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LAShTAL


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01/04/2009 1:31 am  
"lashtal" wrote:
"lashtal" wrote:
Remember the days when people posted on Internet Forums in complete sentences and without deliberate obscurity?

Clearly not.

[Sigh...]


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kidneyhawk
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01/04/2009 1:35 am  

65765/9867

87675443:98796

One shall come after thee, O Prophet, who shall tell you exactly what this means...in a very, very long post!


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kidneyhawk
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01/04/2009 1:39 am  

With LOTS more numbers, too!


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01/04/2009 2:00 am  

Or how about this little tidbit:

If thou wilt not raise thyself to Equal...
If thou wilt not lower thyself to Lover...

THOU SHALT BE OUR SLAVE


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kidneyhawk
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01/04/2009 2:08 am  

THOU SHALT BE OUR SLAVE

A Free Man holds no Slaves....


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01/04/2009 2:12 am  

Slave is a state of mind.


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 Anonymous
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01/04/2009 2:14 am  

A Free Man holds no Slaves....


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01/04/2009 2:26 am  

Rumi - On Love

When love beckons to you, follow him,
Though his ways are hard and steep.
And when his wings enfold you yield to him,
Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.
And when he speaks to you believe in him,
Though his voice may shatter your dreams as the north wind lays waste the garden.

For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.
Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun,
So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth.

Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself.
He threshes you to make you naked.
He sifts you to free you from your husks.
He grinds you to whiteness.
He kneads you until you are pliant;
And then he assigns you to his sacred fire, that you may become sacred bread for God's sacred feast.

All these things shall love do unto you that you may know the secrets of your heart, and in that knowledge become a fragment of Life's heart.

But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure,
Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor,
Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears.
Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself.
Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;
For love is sufficient unto love.

When you love you should not say, "God is in my heart," but rather, "I am in the heart of God."
And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course.

Love has no other desire but to fulfill itself.
But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires:
To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night.
To know the pain of too much tenderness.
To be wounded by your own understanding of love;
And to bleed willingly and joyfully.
To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving;
To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy;
To return home at eventide with gratitude;
And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips.


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01/04/2009 2:31 am  

Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.) - Walt Whitman

Song of Myself


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01/04/2009 10:26 am  

In the starry night the poets came,
with wine and cheer and song,
improptu were the lyrics,
abundant was the throng,
and before the host of heaven,
they did open up the door,
For our love is given freely,
- or tis no love a'more.


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01/04/2009 3:58 pm  
"lashtal" wrote:
Remember the days when people posted on Internet Forums in complete sentences and without deliberate obscurity?

Only asking...

An allergic reaction to the theory that holds that reason alone, unaided by experience, can arrive at basic truth regarding the world? 😉


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dvd464
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06/04/2009 11:38 am  

Lol, Lashtal. The swami mentioned above, our guru of yoga in daily life is Mahashwarananda. Maha= Great, Ashwarananda= 666.

Love/Lyk


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06/04/2009 4:23 pm  

Egads but me minds all aflutter. What on earth is going on here? Madness, I presume.


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