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SatansAdvocaat
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26/06/2009 2:57 pm  

In his very enjoyable essay on the fiction of Sax Rohmer - Sinister Shades in Yellow - I was surprised to see that Alistair Coombs readily accepted the assertion of Cay Van Ash that Rohmer was a member of The Golden Dawn, "where he knew but apparently disliked Aleister Crowley". (From Master of Villainy, 1972, page 29). While some readers of Starfire Volume II No.3 may not be very familiar with the details of Sax Rohmer's life, many of them will doubtless be familiar with the 'Crapulous Contemporaries' section in Sandy Robertson's The Aleister Crowley Scrapbook (1988), which features photographs of Rohmer and Bram Stoker both of whom have been rumoured as G.D. members. The image of Rohmer is the publicity shot of the suave and successful, silk-robed, pipe-smoking author of oriental mystery. Robertson comments:

"Also, Sax Rohmer (Arthur Sarsfield Ward), creator of Fu-Manchu, while doubtless a serious student of the occult despite the active opposition of his wife, seems not to have been a bona fide Golden Dawn member. Master of Villainy, an excellent biography by his widow and his disciple, is on shaky ground when it asserts that Rohmer was a Golden Dawn adept and an enemy of Crowley without giving any details or proof." (Page 47)

Therefore, who is to be believed and is there any truth to the story?

Strangely enough, in the same year that Rohmer's biography appeared, Ellic Howe published his seminal history, The Magicians of the Golden Dawn (1972). In a concluding survey of the contemporary status of the Order, he states:

"There are allusions to the G.D. in Louis Pauwel's and Jacques Bergier's sensational bestseller Le Matin des Magiciens, 1960. As might be expected they had no difficulty in adding to the G.D. mythology, e.g. by stating that Bram Stoker...and Sax Rohmer...were both in the Order. They were on safer ground when discussing the writer Arthur Machen's membership, but blundered badly when they recorded that W.B. Yeats presided at ceremonies wearing a kilt with a golden dagger tucked into his belt and wearing a black mask." (Page 285)

Ellic Howe's book has often been attacked by Golden Dawn enthusiasts for its unsympathetic approach to the Order's occult exploits and credentials, but as regards documentary research and analysis it cannot really be faulted. A much more sympathetic survey from a distinguished 'occult insider' appeared in 1975, Ithell Colquhoun's Sword of Wisdom - MacGregor Mathers and 'The Golden Dawn'. She was able to make use of informants who were probably not accessible to Howe, but on the subject of our alleged members she has something very similar to say:

"Probably no existing membership-list of a GD temple is complete; on the other hand some 'authorities' add names without warrant...Bram Stoker should be included in the roll if one follows his French biographer, Antoine Faivre; Rider Haggard and 'Sax Rohmer' if Dr. Serge Hutin is to be believed. Le Matin des Magiciens (=The Dawn of Magic) by Pauwels and Bergier - unreliable in details - is a favourite source; or else fantasy is simply given free play." (Page 144)

Pauwel's and Bergier's brief and garbled account of the G.D. comes at the end of their interesting little chapter on Arthur Machen. Their source of information is given as 'Nos.2 and 3 of the review La Tour Saint-Jacques, 1956: 'L'ordre hermetique de la Golden Dawn' by Pierre Victor. this is on pages 145-146 of the Mayflower paperback edition of The Morning of the Magicians (1975). As to who Pierre Victor was, or from where he obtained his information is a matter of conjecture. Some information about the Order was in print in the 1950s - most significantly, perhaps, the first edition of The Great Beast by John Symonds had made its appearance in 1951.

Bram Stoker's alleged membership has been effectively dealt with by R.A Gilbert in The Golden Dawn -Twilight of the Magicians (1983). At the beginning of his chapter dealing with occult fiction inspired by membership of the Order, he states succinctly:

"Dracula itself cannot be laid at the door of the Golden Dawn, for Bram Stoker (despite popular claims to the contrary) was never a member, but he was a friend of Brodie Innes and they did discuss their mutual interest in the dark side of occultism." (Page 81)

However, Sax Rohmer's alleged membership still has its distinguished supporters; in The Ninth Arch (2002), Kenneth Grant argues:

"It is more than likely that he had been a member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. The rules that required members to destroy all traces of their involvement in the Order would have been adhered to rigidly by one such as Rohmer, making research in that area doubly difficult." (Page 83)

I would like to make a simple observation that might clarify the issue. The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn began its descent into schism and acrimonious fragmentation in the April of 1900. Aleister Crowley played a significant role in the early stages of this process before setting sail for the Americas at the end of June, after which time his involvement with the Order was essentially a matter of his personal dealings with MacGregor Mathers. Rohmer, or rather Arthur Henry Ward as he was then, had only been born in 1883, he would not have reached the age of 21 years until 1903 and was therefore too young to have been a member of the Order and to have made the acquaintance of Crowley therein.

It is possible that Rohmer could have been a member of one of the Golden Dawn offshoots: the Stella Matutina of Dr. R.W. Felkin, or the Holy Order of the Golden Dawn of A.E. Waite, but once again there is no evidence. Rohmer's The Romance of Sorcery was published in 1914 - does it contain any evidence of G.D. teaching ? I do not know, but I doubt it. In 1916, Waite founded his Fellowship of the True Rosy Cross: Dr. R. Watson Councell, the family doctor and friend-mentor of Rohmer is alleged to have sponsored his initiation into a Rosicrucian Society, but there is no indication that this may have been the one. Rohmer did write the preface to Watson Councell's Apologia Alchymiae (1925); it makes interesting reading but sticks very much to the subject of the book. (This is available on the Web). By 1925, the G.D. and its offshoots were very much in decline and disarray, and much more interesting things were happening with the O.T.O. in Germany - which brings us back to Aleister Crowley. It is very possible that Rohmer could have made Crowley's acquaintance in London society of the 1920s and 1930s - quite probably at the Cafe Royal - but there would not appear to be any published anecdotes to support this. It has been suggested that Servius Jerome, the villain of Salute to Bazarada (1938), is based on Crowley - I must attempt to acquire a copy.


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29/06/2009 2:42 pm  

I'll admit at the time this piece of information was taken on good faith. However, I found out subsequently from a good contact that there is in fact no way of knowing for sure. Others, like G. Suster, have accepted the involvement. Since Robertson seems to be the only individual on the planet who is troubled by it, then perhaps HE should have provided some evidence against (he obviously couldn't). If I recall correctly, for instance, Robertson also presumed as preposterous Kipling's suggested involvement with an occult group, despite, amongst other things, Kipling's prior journalistic affiliation with Sinnett in India.

I'm currently displaced from any sources but I believe the GD had well over 100 members in its early days in the UK alone. The fact Rohmer may have been in his late teens at the time means nothing. He could have been a member of the Cromlech, for instance, which was in existence before and long after the demise of the 'outer court'. Ash's opinion is based upon something.

Unaware of the Bazarada connection although I didn't myself notice any such depiction, although this was quite a time ago. Generally, Rohmer's black magicians/sorcerers, as distinct from the Chinese villains, seek their archetype from Arabs he had encountered in Egypt and Syria and from the Arabian Night romances. The fact AC's behaviour at times consciously or unconsciously mirrored some of these characters, means the connection might be valid on some level.


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01/07/2009 9:17 pm  

Whilst not averse to swinging both ways, as the trapeze artist said to the bishop, on this occasion I'm with the Spurious One here. Cay van Ash knew Rohmer I believe, had access to his papers in the course of researching and writing the biography (in full collaboration with Rohmer's widow Elizabeth), and thus was likely in my view to have had access to information that we don't have. As suggested by said Spurious One, Rohmer may well have belonged to one of the several splinter groups that arose following the schism with Mathers.

Whether Rohmer knew Crowley within or outwith the Golden Dawn is another matter.

Best wishes,

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02/07/2009 2:22 pm  

Thanks for your responses, Gentlemen. As I think I recognised, Rohmer could have been a member of one of the GD splinter groups - Ellic Howe had to acknowledge that the membership lists of these were really a matter of conjecture.

But I still stand by my assertion that Rohmer was too young to have been in Isis-Urania Temple and to have 'known' Crowley as a fellow member. Perhaps someone who has read the GD Ordinances and Regulations which have been published for some time now, apparently, could confirm my conviction that you had to be of legal maturity, ie. 21 years, to be accepted for membership ??

As for Cay Van Ash having access to Rohmer's papers, we can't have it both ways: if he did then surely he would have given details; if Rohmer had destroyed them as required, and he didn't have access then there was nothing to give details of.
Personally, I believe he was just following up on the suggestion in Pauwels and Bergier.

Anyway, I won't lose sight of the fact that the best of Rohmer's novels are a source inspiration to the magical imagination, not so much esoteric as an exotic miasma of narcotic wickedness.

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02/07/2009 6:27 pm  
"Satan'sAdvocaat" wrote:
Anyway, I won't lose sight of the fact that the best of Rohmer's novels are a source inspiration to the magical imagination, not so much esoteric as an exotic miasma of narcotic wickedness.

I think there's a little more to it than an"exotic miasma of narcotic wickedness". When reading Dope for the first time, I was struck by he intensity, particularly when the death of the one-eyed raven Tling-a-ling is recounted.

Whilst many if not most of Rohmer's novels have a mechanist solution - for example, She Who Sleeps and Bat-Wing - there are some that don't, and these are the best of his fiction in my opinion. On the whole, I think him better in short stories than in longer form.

Best wishes,

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03/07/2009 6:13 pm  

Its all a matter of oppinion said the bishop to the trapeze artist with the wooden leg, but I fear that you might be heading for a tragedy. Yes, she said, I think it happens to me when I'm appearing in 'Hecate's Fountain'.

I've been doing my best to resist the temptation to yield to the predictable, but...

Well, Michael, I do agree that DOPE is an intense and compelling read, but unless someone outside of the 'family' contributes to this bloody thread in the near future, I'm going to go away and play with my own Tling-a ling !

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23/01/2020 3:49 pm  

Only just saw this a decade on, but nevertheless...

I see a claim about Sax Rohmer, an author I love btw, with zero evidence. I say it seems shaky.  Yet you assume I'm the only person on the entire planet (!) to question the claim, and then say it was up to ME to show evidence the claim might be wrong. That's not how burden of proof works.

Judging by the comments here I'm hardly the only one to question Rohmer's GD membership. As for Kipling, if you can tell me what I said in that book specifically I will respond gladly but I'm not bothered enough to dig it out for you.


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23/01/2020 4:13 pm  

There has been a good deal of thread necromancy of late but we may have a winner here. Nice to see so many old faces showing up too.

No information whatever on OT. I do like Sax Rohmer though. Have never noticed the least trace of anything but good-old-fashioned pulp melodrama in his work (with lashings of racism/nationalism in depictions of anyone degraded enough to not be English), but then i am notoriously insensitive to the Higher Things.


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23/01/2020 4:17 pm  

Okay - I couldn't resist looking up the Kipling thing. All I questioned was the story in Master of Villainy that Rohmer was in "a Rosicrucian Society dating from the 16th century along with Rudyard Kipling!" Those are my words. I didn't say it was "preposterous" that Kipling could have been in an occult group.

Why so serious?


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23/01/2020 4:33 pm  
Posted by: @sandyboy

That's not how burden of proof works.

Sure it is. Anybody who has an opinion on anything must prove to themselves that they're not hallucinating. It might be different in a court of Law, but here in the LAShTAL Tribunal everyone has an opinion on absolutely everything.

Of course, AL riddles and rhymes require proof ... because the stability of the universe rests on accurate solutions. All lesser opinions are exempt. Says so in the OZ Scripture. "Man (and his wife) get to think as they will, even if they're misinformed or otherwise crazy.

Posted by: @sandyboy

I'm not bothered enough to dig it out for you.

See?

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Nice to see so many old faces showing up too.

They are all coming Home to celebrate the End of the World, which may happen any day now.

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but then i am notoriously insensitive to the Higher Things.

This is because there are no higher things.

 


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23/01/2020 4:57 pm  

@shiva

I prefer lower things myself. The lower the better.


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23/01/2020 5:29 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

here in the LAShTAL Tribunal everyone has an opinion on absolutely everything

and nothing!

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Says so in the OZ Scripture.

You do know you now run the risk of being branded a 'Proselytizer' should you have the unabashed temerity to quote Scripture in these hallowed halls?  Your motives may be brought into question & (mis)judged too...  (So, rather like as with Santa, for goodness sake "be goodly therefore"!)

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They are all coming Home to celebrate the End of the World

Hadn't you heard, it's been put back again?!

Posted by: @shiva

which may happen any day now.

Have you any reliable 'inside information' on this, or is it just a hunch (though "intuitive" hunches in themselves can be very apposite and valuable)?  I do hope it won't be before "All Fools Day" though, since apart from anything else several threads can maybe reach some sort  of resolution! (Unless the date' of this gets put back - again.)

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Nice to see so many old faces showing up too.

Indeed!  Nice to see you again sandyboy, to put a name to one of those 'faces',

Norma n Joy Conquest

 

 

 


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23/01/2020 6:00 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

absolutely everything

and nothing!

"Holy Supernal Realities, Batman!" as the Boy Wonder said on taking his 8=3.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Have you any reliable 'inside information' on [the timing of the Imminent End Of The World]

The Imminent End Of The World has been postponed indefinitely due to lack of interest was the last i heard.


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23/01/2020 6:55 pm  
Posted by: @sandyboy

I prefer lower things myself. The lower the better.

There is no lower. Nothing shall be lifted up or cast lower. Anyone will be who they are, forever.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Hadn't you heard, it's been put back again?!

As usual. It's just like the solutions to ciphers ... soon, next week, next season, April fool's day, whenever we get 144,000 people to agree on anything ... anytime but now.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Have you any reliable 'inside information' on this

Yes. Absolutely. But I can't disclose it right now. My pending publication, scheduled for 2023 e.v., will reveal the exact date, and everyone will know it's true because it happens.

Accusations of circular logic will be denied.

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I do hope it won't be before "All Fools Day"

It won't

 


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23/01/2020 7:20 pm  

Latest in "Imminent End Of The World" News- it's later than we think, and the End Of The World is closer than ever before (100 seconds to midnight), according to the famous "Doomsday Clock" of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists:

https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/current-time/#full-statement

 


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23/01/2020 8:48 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

WTF do they know? They are not to be believed until they solve AL II:76.

Conversely, I predict The End will come for every reader and poster of these forums in less than 91 years.

Spam robots, however, may exceeed that doomsday.

 


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23/01/2020 8:55 pm  

@jamiejbarter

Hi Jamie!

The reason I stumbled on this thread again was because I've just done an Afterword for Centipede Press's reissue of James Blish's The Day After Judgment (they're doing a set of the entire After Such Knowledge set of books) and I was Googling around because Fu Manchu is mentioned by a crazed military general in D.A.J. and it brought up this discussion. 

Hope you're well. "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?"

As for the end of the world, how DARE anyone doubt Greta Thunberg, our autistic puppet, eh? I wish she be selectively mute a Hell of a lot more.


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23/01/2020 9:14 pm  

@sandyboy

Small world isn't it!  I am good friends with the owner and publisher of Centipede Press and go to his new year's party every year lol.  

 

I will have to check out Day After Judgement.

 

His Wilum Pugmire (RIP!) collection he just put out is great too.

 

Sorry to derail this its just that we don't have PM's anymore. 

 

And don't blame Greta, blame her parents! It's sad.  I wonder how much money they got.


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23/01/2020 9:19 pm  

@christibrany

I met Jerad of Centipede a few years ago in the UK. He published an article of mine on the UK censor and Roger Corman's Masque of the Red Death in Weird Fiction Review awhile ago.

What's PM's? Excuse my ignorance. 


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23/01/2020 9:23 pm  

Private messages 🙂 We used to be able to here but lost that handy function when the BOTS started to spam about marriage and drugs and what not. 

 

Edit to ask which issue of Weird Fiction review were you in? I have most!


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23/01/2020 9:49 pm  

@christibrany

Ah, understood. It was in Weird Fiction Review #9. I wrote the piece years ago for a fanzine that stopped publishing. Then Diabolique accepted it, but the editor left. He promised to use it elsewhere but didn't. Then it was accepted by a publisher for an anthology of film writing - but I said something somewhere about an entirely unrelated matter that offended said publisher's delicate sensibilities so he changed his mind. I was convinced the piece was cursed and told Jerad I hoped accepting it wouldn't destroy his business!


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23/01/2020 11:05 pm  
Posted by: @sandyboy

I was convinced the piece was cursed and told Jerad I hoped accepting it wouldn't destroy his business!

One does have to wonder: after such knowledge what forgiveness, though ?!

N Joy


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24/01/2020 2:06 am  

93!

Sandyboy, super cool that you are back and super cool that you get to do some Sax Rohmer-ish work done. Also super cool that you seem to be doing quite fine, when a particular noisy 17-year old with different views on how the world might end seems worthy of a (maybe jokefully intended) ad hominem attack. In my opinion super off-topic and only generating the usual suspects to add some conspiracy theory about her parents with absolutely no evidence but some gut feeling how it surely must be. I am not a moderator of this site but I would be personally extremely thankful if you (we) could simply abstain from off-topic propaganda like this. Facebook and co. offers many opportunities where everybody can fantasize about how to silence the "puppet". Sorry about this little digression, but I would have enjoyed your input way more without the Greta thing and I feel these are not the times any more where you just roll your eyes and look away. Don't feel restricted to write what you will, but as long as Greta is of no real concern to the selected Aleister Crowley Society and the Sax Rohmer afficinados, she should stay off-topic. In my humble opinion.

Sorry again for this and many thanks for your understanding. It would be understandable if you don't care what I think but at least you now know what I think.

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24/01/2020 6:33 am  

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Oh dear. You won't like this but I may as well tell you I voted for Brexit, I love Tommy Robinson and Douglas Murray and I think Trump is super cool.

I suppose that's off topic or maybe not since you raised the whole matter of what is permissible. And after all, the topic of the end of the world was off topic in the first place in a thread about Rohmer until someone raised it, no?

Surely you will love the fact that I didn't just read your post, roll my eyes and look away?


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26/01/2020 4:50 pm  

@sandyboy You love Trump, voted for Brexit and like Tommy Robinson?  You may enjoy our politics thread in which we discussed politics in relation to Thelema.


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26/01/2020 5:29 pm  

@dom

Will I be dubbed a racist Nazi or will I find like minded people? I grew up in an old Labour Clydeside home but my views have changed a lot over time. I totally understand and agree with why Labour was massacred at the election and can hardly bear to read the drivel in the Guardian. 


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26/01/2020 5:30 pm  
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You may enjoy our politics thread

Said thread was locked due to boisterous enthusiasms. Sandy can read it, but not join ... except for that "other" pol thread in the graveyard that apparently can still be attended.


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26/01/2020 5:45 pm  

@sandyboy

Will I be dubbed a racist Nazi or will I find like minded people? I grew up in an old Labour Clydeside home but my views have changed a lot over time. I totally understand and agree with why Labour was massacred at the election and can hardly bear to read the drivel in the Guardian.

 

I don't know about labelling.  What appeals to you about Tommy Robinson and Donald Trump?  Why did you vote for Brexit?


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26/01/2020 5:59 pm  

@dom

I thought TR was probably a bad guy but watched his Oxford Uni speech and read his autobiography, read lots of the opposite view and decided the authorities want to make him STFU at any costs. At his last debacle the Attorney General turned around and said he wasn't to rely on Judiciary Website Official advice as it was WRONG! Jeez.

Trump is as big a hustler as every other politician but most, not all, of his policies make sense to me. Everyone laughed in 2016 when I put £50 on him to win. He's going to win again. The Dems don't care that Biden actually DID what they accuse Trump of attempting to do - he even was filmed BOASTING about getting away with it. (Making Ukraine sack a prosecutor investigating his son or they wouldn't get aid).

I know AC said man has the right to wander the face of the earth but clearly it's not working in Sweden, Germany etc.

I voted for Brexit as I'm opposed to the EU's ideological bullshit. 


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26/01/2020 6:26 pm  

Won't get into the UK politics side, but this is a laughably false statement

Posted by: @sandyboy

Biden actually DID what they accuse Trump of attempting to do - he even was filmed BOASTING about getting away with it. (Making Ukraine sack a prosecutor investigating his son or they wouldn't get aid).

Biden is on film justifiably rejoicing in his success in removing a corrupt prosecutor in Ukraine, carrying out official US government foreign policy supported by both his own Democratic Party, and the Republican Party also, and with the full support of the EU you so dislike.

The prosecutor was not investigating Biden's son at the time. This effort to remove a corrupt prosecutor was carried out in the open because it was official policy. This charge is entirely false propaganda disinformation cooked up in the Kremlin to aid in Trump's reelection. There is not an iota of real-world evidence to support it.

Not quite the same thing as withholding military aid voted for by both parties in Congress from Ukraine, while they are under military attack by Trump's boss Putin, to pressure them to announce a phony investigation into phony Kremlin charges against a political opponent.

This effort to smear a US political opponent was carried out in secret by crackpots and private lawyers because it was in total contradiction to official policy, and violated many criminal laws. This charge is entirely supported by every single piece of evidence, including Trump's own televised statements, and numerous tweets.

Trump directed all subordinates to refuse all subpoenas to testify, and to refuse all subpoenas for evidence. This is something no other US President has ever done, because it is so clearly unlawful. One of the two impeachment charges is obstruction of Congress, by directing all subordinates to refuse all subpoenas to testify, and to refuse all subpoenas for evidence.


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26/01/2020 7:30 pm  
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What appeals to you about Tommy Robinson and Donald Trump?  Why did you vote for Brexit?

For God's sake and the sake of the gods!  WTF is wrong with your cranium? Steering off into the ditch of political rhetoric at the roadside of this thread is just plain naughty.

Okay, I see Sax has been replaced by Biden. Time to lock the store and go do some work some more.


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26/01/2020 7:32 pm  

@ignant666

I've had SO many arguments about this and so many people agreeing with me that you'll hopefully forgive me if I don't want to engage in a protracted debate about it. Trump will win a second term, I'm sure of that.

Bye.


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26/01/2020 7:33 pm  

This video sums up politics (and in a way everything else) to me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX5HpMESXSo


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26/01/2020 7:38 pm  

@shiva

Sorry for also indulging in this - I just wanted to initially respond to being gently chastised for not worshipping Thunberg by coming clean about my own political views. I should have guessed it would turn into Guardian comments.


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26/01/2020 7:39 pm  

For once it is not david to blame here, as he was responding to earlier political provocations by... others, not to be a tattletale.

I agree that this forum does well to stay out of contemporary politics to the extent possible, but there is is only so much one can do in the face of "outrageous provocation", as the Surrealist boxer Arthur Cravan explained when he was arrested for beating up a priest for wearing priest-clothes.


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26/01/2020 7:42 pm  

@the-hga-of-a-duck

Wtf? It appears just to be a logo with shit music.


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26/01/2020 8:05 pm  

You see, left and right can agree: i too see only "a logo with shit music."


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26/01/2020 8:23 pm  

@ignant666

Heh heh. You can tell from my profound analysis I was a music critic!


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the_real_simon_iff
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26/01/2020 9:13 pm  
Posted by: @sandyboy

I suppose that's off topic or maybe not since you raised the whole matter of what is permissible.

Thanks, sandyboy. I did not say "what is permissible" or "chastised you because you don't worship Greta". I simply feel personal political tastes are better kept personal here. Not because I think there are right ones and wrong ones (of course I do think that) but usually stupid stuff follows (as did with the Greta parents conspiracy). Just like sometimes when going for a drink with friends with different views I ask "let's avoid politics tonight, okay?" It's that easy and not about what is permissible.

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26/01/2020 9:35 pm  

@the_real_simon_iff

Okay scratch "permissible" and replace with acceptable/advisable?

Btw am not sure what conspiracy you mean? Check out Rebel News story on how she was actually given permission to stay off school so there was no strike and her latest demo had 5 kids and 8 security guards, not to mention the backer who claimed he bumped into her by accident actually would have had to walk 2 miles out of his way for that to happen and he's backed by Al Gore.

I know, I know...


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26/01/2020 9:49 pm  

@sandyboy

Acceptable is just as wrong. But okay, maybe it is what I personally find advisable. More like asking a favor, just like in the example I gave. It's really that simple. When it works, nothing is missed, when it doesn't, no hard feelings.


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26/01/2020 9:50 pm  

@the_real_simon_iff

You seem to be as pedantic as I am!


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26/01/2020 9:53 pm  

@sandyboy

Pedantic is the wrong word, I would say: finnicky!

 


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27/01/2020 12:27 am  
Posted by: @sandyboy

It appears just to be a logo with shit music

😋

It may (AL) or may not (LA) make sense to another 80s kid such as myself.


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27/01/2020 1:18 am  

@the-hga-of-a-duck

Not to a 50s/60s kid like me.


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27/01/2020 1:19 am  

@the_real_simon_iff

That's one of the best posts in this thread. Really!


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27/01/2020 10:33 pm  

@sandyboy

I thought TR was probably a bad guy but watched his Oxford Uni speech and read his autobiography, read lots of the opposite view and decided the authorities want to make him STFU at any costs.

His over the top sweeping generalizations of Mulsims is retarded as is Trump's of Mexicans.   See the Chris Rock sketch about blacks and n____ers.  That'll clear things up for you.   

 

 

 


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27/01/2020 11:15 pm  

@dom

Do you really want to get into this on here?


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Michael Staley
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27/01/2020 11:45 pm  
Posted by: @sandyboy

Do you really want to get into this on here?

No, we don't. Please.


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27/01/2020 11:53 pm  

@michael-staley

It's not me that is trying to continue it, Michael.

But in any case, I agree.


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