Although he is also from British Columbia, i do not think he is Mal/Xon, nor do i offer any hypotheses as to his possible habits.
Other than the obvious "Live fast, die middle-aged, leave a good-looking corpse" part, to ensure that he does not endure the horror of living another 19 years, and becoming "ancient" like me.
Hahaha. He's gone kind of quiet also. Ageism is basically as despicable as sexism and racism etc and this is the only memory I have of any of his posts.
He is essentially submissive, but even the quieter folk are known to burst out with some harbored antagonism from time to time. But they will not Stand and Deliver. They have unconsciously and accidentally exceeded the limits of their magic circle circus.
He is essentially submissive, but even the quieter folk are known to burst out with some harbored antagonism from time to time. But they will not Stand and Deliver. They have unconsciously and accidentally exceeded the limits of their magic circle circus.
He may be Canadian, rude, and a possible case of High Initiate Syndrome, but shows no signs of florid mania, or total decompensation. Anyway, he seems to have left the building for the moment.
even the quieter folk are known to burst out with some harbored antagonism from time to time
Yes, but they may have a point.
Are you with us today?
Christ, Master of a school of thought, wanted to keep the practice of prayer sacred and was angry at idiots who turned the temple into a street casino LOL, Horemahket's sole contribution to this forum is the odd sporadic guerrilla-ageism attack then hibernation.
It was mainly to suggest a righteously intended grumpy outburst could bring about a needed catharsis. A breeze of fresh air might blow into this place that would be invigorating for everyone. I thought it was funny anyway.
Are you with us in the greater scope? "Christ" is a principle. It is the second first emanation of of "the source," simetimes called "Father," sometimes "God." It is present in (potential) in everyone.
Jesus was a simple Initiate. He tapped into the Christ current. He was not quiet, and subject to outbursts. Therefore, Sir Duck, he was not a submissive tweed, so he doesn't fit the mold.
Now the religionist want Jesus to be God. Although one could argue along these lines, the Initiate is not God, except maybe if he or she gets into some divine trance. This is just a holdover from the concept that Pharoah was God. You know, the "Divine" nature of Kings.
This is the Amado threat. The heckler has departed. Jesus died. Christ in waiting within you (all). God is indifferent. He has to send his kid to make changes. Then Crowley tried to kill the kid. Now Crowley is dead. Where does that leave us?
It was not funny. But it was entertaining. Jesus used martial arts on the moneylenders. The Man of Peace kicked their butts. This is why he was arrested. Not because he was a prophet, but because he disrupted the cash flow. The Romans could have cared less about a religious nut-job, but they wouldn't stand for actions that made the economy falter.
Are you with us in the greater scope? "Christ" is a principle. It is the second first emanation of of "the source," simetimes called "Father," sometimes "God." It is present in (potential) in everyone.
Hey Shiva he was comparing guerrilla ageist to a major figure in history. It was silly.
This does not discount it's validity. I have sworn to interpret all silliness as a particular dealing of God with my sense of humor. After reading my reply (to see if I didn't get it, I find that I got it. I switched "funny" to "entertaining.," and then tried to straighten out the, um, misplaced attributes with my usual omniscience anf fact-boasting.
This short phrase could trigger ten reams of analysis. As described elsewhere, I'm on fast time (why are all the clocks running faster in these shorter days?
Maybe the Last Days are shorter. And who are the latter day saints? His stance and posture is very good in the picture.
“ Jesus died. Christ in waiting within you (all). God is indifferent. He has to send his kid to make changes. Then Crowley tried to kill the kid. Now Crowley is dead. Where does that leave us? “
Well that would have to be in the succeeding advent of The Second Parousia of the Beast; where in the churches of old, the presence within you (all) devotes to Baphe Metous ( Baptism of Wisdom ). The revolutionary heretical tradition twill lead to the emancipation of humanity and the establishment of a perfect social order. Serpentem magnificant in tantum, ut ilium etiam ipsi Christo praeferant-They will magnify the serpent to such an extent, so that they prefer him even to Christ Himself. A passage to Know Thyself ! as they chant "And I believe in the Serpent and the Lion, Mystery of Mysteries, in His name BAPHOMET “
Surely you know that Aleister the Qabalist found (and proved) that Baphomet is properly spelled BafometR. I have no problem with the spelling; it's the pronunciation that throws me.
Surely you know that Aleister the Qabalist found (and proved) that Baphomet is properly spelled BafometR. I have no problem with the spelling; it's the pronunciation that throws me.
Surely I do. And I imagine it's a bit of a Norwegian pronunication. 🙂
My inquiry was actually based on my misreading Jamie. I thought he was indicating that the B-Word was somehow being equated with the N-Word. As in Baformetr=Nazi (''you spelling Nazi" being read grammatically as a question i.e. "you talkin' to me?"). Hence, I expressed my befuddlement. My head would have flowed more easily with "Oh, Shiva, you Spelling Nazi, you!" Not to say anything was wrong with Jamie's grammar. Simply, something got gummed up between the folds of my brain.
At least we now know how to pronounce another unpronounceable word. Do it like the Swedish Chef. 🙂
"The tablet starts by reminding the soul of exactly what it must say - and here, we find no elaborate phrases concerning purity, lineage, or relationship to Dionysus but rather two single words, each of which is spoken twice. This variation - which is further away from what we saw in the geographic and purity tablets than the variation found in the Pelinna tablets - underscores the relative freedom with which some orpheotelestai adapted the cult they promulgated. The first word seems to be built from four others: andr-, the root of the Greek word for man ; kai, meaning “and”; paido- meaning “child”; and thyrsos, the term for a staff used in Dionysiac ritual. The second is “Brimo,” an alternative name for several goddesses, including Demeter and Persephone.^' Once these words are spoken, an unidentified respondent declares that the initiate has paid retribution,"' and therefore may enter the paradisiacal meadow. This aligns well with what we have seen elsewhere. The final line of the tablet is untranslatable and inscribed upside down.
Mnemonic tablets: summation
All of the mnemonic tablets assume that the soul will be confronted by authority figures in the Underworld and converse with them. Knowing what to say will establish the right of the soul to pass into paradise. There
is a considerable amount of variation as to what words or phrases will do the trick, but in one way or another, all of them prove that the soul was initiated into Dionysus’ mysteries while alive, in the course of which it erased from itself the stain ...."
Pulled from 'Ritual Texts For the Afterlife: Orpheus & The Bacchic Gold Tablets
This is really the best you can do in justifying your idiot opinion that Xianity = Dionysus cult?
Well, yes, it is, just about, since there is practically no resemblance between the two not shared by every other Osiran cult/religion/myth. No original sin/redemption, no "grace", no triune god, just nothing at all of the distinctive features of Xianity not shared by all other dying-god cults.
One "scholarly" virtue you might care to emulate, @horemakhet, is trying to avoid making a public fool of oneself by running one's mouth about topics where one is wholly ignorant.
Well, yes, it is, just about, since there is practically no resemblance between the two not shared by every other Osiran cult/religion/myth. No original sin/redemption, no "grace", no triune god, just nothing at all of the distinctive features of Xianity not shared by all other dying-god cults.
There actually was sin/redemption, grace, in the Dyonisian cult. You're wrong there... Very quick to insult me again. Keep it up!
I've been reading you for awhile & I've concluded that you're a Dyonisos worshipper who has somehow become confused. That is likely to happen with self-professed 'christians' who are ignorant of history. The early Roman church took a great deal from their cult without crediting the source & thus we have adherents who are unaware. This would explain your inability to function properly within your current 'christian' framework & your appeal to us here. Why else would you come here? Scouting?...I don't think so.
and of course your last post.
A post consisting of a quotation that makes nonsense of your claims in this thread. Do you actually read the stuff you copy and paste?
For a guy who pinions himself as the pillar of logic it's unfortunate that you never learned to read properly. Thus it's difficult to pinpoint where you fail. Perhaps you think that you're flexing these extraordinary muscles of yours for 'the public' & that you're beating me. (sigh)
...The evidence is in the book I quoted from above.
Would it now be possible for you to quote the portions of the book you mention that support your claims, rather than the parts you quoted above, the ones that make your claim look silly and wrong?
Also, probably best in future not to use words you don't know the meaning of; one cannot "pinion" oneself "as the pillar of logic":
I do not think I am very Dionysian in my thinking, and I am not ignorant of history.
First, Dionysus was the god of wine, fertility, insanity, and religious ecstasy, none of which is even close to what Jesus taught.
Second, I am well aware of the fact that modern Christianity has many elements of pagan rituals, which were introduced by the Catholic Church at the middle of the fourth century and beyond. The Catholic Church has borrowed many holi-dates (as Shiva puts it) and incorporated them into their brand of religion, which has nothing to do with Biblical Christianity. Someone who follows the Bible closely will not find these holidays even mentioned. They are a hodgepodge mix of Biblical truth with pagan practices.
At the time of the reformation, the people kept all of the “fun” stuff (eg Christmas trees, Easter eggs, etc.) and never stopped to think where they came from. I am somewhat of a purist, so I don’t subscribe to any of the pagan elements.
What @Horemakhet is trying to say is that your belief in "sin" indicates that you are sexually repressed, and sublimating your sexuality in Christ, thus his claim of your secret "Dionyisianism". As i said above, his recent "theological" questions are just a pseudo-intellectual way of asking the very rude and vulgar question about your sexuality that almost got him banned some pages back.
The similarities between the cult of Dionysus and the cult of Jesus are that both involve 1) a dying and reborn god, 2) better post-death conditions for some, and 3) wine. Each of these "similar" elements mean dramatically different things in the two cults, and the differences are enormous.
It is true that, if one were a blow-hard who knew little about either Xianity or Dionysianism, one could make these arguments, if one were also a rude jerk, whose mother never taught him/her about hospitality, and being polite to guests. Not that i'm referring to anyone specific, just a general observation.
I hope your time away from the internets was felicitous and enjoyable, and as a fellow American, i wish you, and others, a happy Thanksgiving.
Interesting. Do you, horemakhet, equate monogamy with sexual repression? If so, then I am guilty. But do not equate promiscuity with sexual freedom. It can be as repressive as any other sin, which can weigh you down like chains. Do you not feel some tiny measure of guilt after indulging in a night of reveling? Even a bit? I know I always did, even before I became a Christian.
Now, my guilt is gone, and I am free from the bonds of sin. In the words of one of my favorite songs: “I shall not know shame; I shall know everlasting joy.”
I was under the illusion that this was a forum dedicated to Aleister Crowley. Thus you'll receive a ribald jest from me. As you've been persistent in your enquiries I've provided a link towards answering what you seek. Apparently this effort on my behalf has not been met well, so I'll desist. Onward Christian Soldiers!
6th ray. Related to "devotion." On this score, Christianity and the Winos are similar. 6th Ray - The Path of Abstract Idealism.
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Second, I am well aware of the fact that modern Christianity has many elements of pagan rituals, which were introduced by the Catholic Church at the middle of the fourth century and beyond.
Okay, so now we know you're not operating in the dark.
Interesting. Do you, horemakhet, equate monogamy with sexual repression? If so, then I am guilty. But do not equate promiscuity with sexual freedom. It can be as repressive as any other sin, which can weigh you down like chains. Do you not feel some tiny measure of guilt after indulging in a night of reveling? Even a bit? I know I always did, even before I became a Christian.
Now, my guilt is gone, and I am free from the bonds of sin. In the words of one of my favorite songs: “I shall not know shame; I shall know everlasting joy.”
You are quite right, @horemakhet, this is a web site devoted to all things Crowley. If you look back at my original post four years ago, it had to do with Crowley indirectly, being about one who claimed to be Crowley’s son and the effect he had on my life.
Since that time, I have been humored by some, demonized by others, and outright insulted. But, all in all, I have made friends and, for that, I have persisted.
Interesting. Do you, horemakhet, equate monogamy with sexual repression? If so, then I am guilty. But do not equate promiscuity with sexual freedom. It can be as repressive as any other sin, which can weigh you down like chains. Do you not feel some tiny measure of guilt after indulging in a night of reveling? Even a bit? I know I always did, even before I became a Christian.
No before you were 'a Christian' you already were a christian hence the guilt-complex.
No before you were 'a Christian' you already were a christian hence the guilt-complex.
So you equate "being a Christian" with having a "guilt-complex?"
That's what the last Aeon was all about yes looking outside for guidance from an emissary of Rome or the protestant equivalent so mass industry and organization could hold sway. Three or four generations ago a divorced woman in the West was considered to be a fallen woman. Imagine that now when divorcees far outnumber the married haharr.
The Guilt-Complex is a Self-Judgment/Condemnation. Early Church Adventures in the Book of Acts have the Lord God declaring “Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean.” Ergo when Sins as Scarlet are made White as Snow (cf. Isaiah), there is no longer a judgment against the individual. If there IS a residual “Guiltiness” it flies in the face of the power of God to cleanse (i.e remove). Paul, in Romans, says: “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” The Christian (a “New Creation in Christ”) has been (to cite Paul again) “transformed by the renewing of the mind” (such renewal banishing Guilt which no longer has anything to feed off of). If anything, we could say, the Encounter with Christ liberates one from guilt. This does not necessarily reflect the experience of many who self-identify as “Christians” but labeling oneself or being labeled doesn't not of itself transform the contents of the package.
This whole topic is, of course, much larger and, in my opinion, very interesting-esp. as we begin comparing Christian thought to Thelemic thought (outside of Crowley's prejudice).
Posted by: @dom
looking outside for guidance from an emissary of Rome or the protestant equivalent so mass industry and organization could hold sway
"The Kingdom of Heaven is WITHIN you." -Jesus (not a proponent of mass industry)
"The Kingdom of Heaven is WITHIN you." -Jesus (not a proponent of mass industry)
...and?
The last christian died on the cross. Don't you get it?
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Mathew 16:18
This did not mean And I tell you Peter start a massive male-only organization that keeps everyone illiterate, amasses massive amounts of capital and orders the masses of oppressed peasants not to question the authority of their land-owning enslavers. etc etc
Did Crowley not quote from The Bible to make a point? He encouraged his students to absorb the myths therein (recommended reading that included The Dhammapada and so on) and he knew the undeniable wisdom of the text,,,here and there...likewise I agree.
This did not mean And I tell you Peter start a massive male-only organization that keeps everyone illiterate, amasses massive amounts of capital and orders the masses of oppressed peasants not to question the authority of their land-owning enslavers. etc etc
This did not mean And I tell you Peter start a massive male-only organization that keeps everyone illiterate, amasses massive amounts of capital and orders the masses of oppressed peasants not to question the authority of their land-owning enslavers. etc etc
Agree 100%.
Give me time and I could align a lot of AL with quotes from The Bible.
[I have made some of the quoted text bold for the purpose of emphasis:]
Barbara Green (@barbaragreen): "My view [about hell] is called annihilationalism, and it gives my Baptist pastor fits. I give him fits about a lot of things, though. I guess I’m just a rebel at heart still. I can give you a more detailed explanation, with arguments pro and con if you want.
Blessings,
Barbara"
Annihilationalism (= rejection of hell as a place of eternal torment, and the belief that those going to hell will perish or be no more), corresponds with the Bible where it is written that the wicked will be totally consumed. They shall be cut off from the earth (see Prov. 10:25, Ps. 37:10, 11, 20, 34, 38). They shall be consumed to ashes (Mal. 4:1, 3)
This annihilationalism does also correspond with AC's stating in his The Book of the Law, that "This is the creation of the world, that the pain of division is as nothing, and the joy of dissolution all." (Chapter I, verse 30), and that "Aye! feast! rejoice! there is no dread hereafter. There is the dissolution, and eternal ecstasy in the kisses of Nu." (Chapter II, verse 44). And annihilationalism corresponds with AC presenting his Thelema as a kind of atheism in his Old Comment to II:23 in his The Book of the Law: "To admit God is to look up to God, and so not to be God. The curse of duality.", and in his New Comment to I:4 in the same book: "Every man and every woman is not only a part of God, but the Ultimate God.". And it also corresponds with AC presenting his Thelema as a kind of atheism in his Liber Oz : "There is no God but Man."
In The Cry of the 5th Aethyr in The Vision and the Voice, AC's second most important book (after The Book of the Law) within his Thelema, an angel prompts AC to whisper "There is No God.", so that some holy men surrounding him let him pass:
"And he [= the angel] says: O thou that art so dull of understanding, when wilt thou begin to annihilate thyself in the mysteries of the Aethyrs? For all that thou thinkest is but thy thought; and as there is no god in the ultimate shrine, so there is no I in thine own Cosmos.
They that have said this are of them that understood. And all men have misinterpreted it, even as thou didst misinterpret it."
In The Cry of the 25th Aethyr ("The Path of Teth (Atu XI. The Fire-Kerub in the Initiation). The Vision of the Fruit of the Great Work of the Beast - 666. The Lion.", according to AC), AC has written: "When shall the day come that men shall flock to this my gate, and fall into my furious throat, a whirlpool of fire?This is hell unquenchable, and all they shall be utterly consumed therein. Therefore is that asbestos unconsumable made pure[35]. And this is AC's endnote 35 to this Aethyr: "This paragraph prophesies the purging of the worldly Fire in the Aeon of Horus. "Hell" is the pure Inmost Self of Man, that suffereth not extinction, but consumeth all the experiences of Life, coming thereby to know its own Perfection."
According to AC in his The Vision and Voice, "the attainment of the Grade of Magister Templi involves the Annihilation of the aspirant (source; endnote to The Cry of the 19th Aethyr), "My spirit is no more; my soul is no more. My life leaps out into annihilation! (source; The Cry of the 2nd Aethyr, "The Marriage of the Seer with BABALON. (Atu VI).").
The ashes of the Book Tarot, which hath been utterly consumed[26]., is described as the content of an Urn perceived as "the Temple that is the heart of this Aethyr (= The Cry of the 6th Aethyr, "The Vision of the Urn. The Magus 9° = 2□. The Three Schools of Magick."). And according to AC's endnote [26] to this Aethyr; "The Master of the Temple who is chosen to proceed to the Grade of Magus has his little Pyramid of Dust consumed to ashes, and these are preserved in this Urn."
In The Cry of the 2nd Aethyr, consumtion by fire is described: "(I want to say that while I was doing the translation of the Call of the Aethyrs, the soles of my feet were burning, as if I were on red hot steel[28]. (Endnote [28]: "This was certainly due to no ordinary cause. The Seer was lying on the roof of the Hotel Royal at Biskra in the shade of the minaret. It was a cool bright morning.")) [...] And now the fire was spread all over me, and parches me, and tortures me. And my sweat is bitter like poison. And all my blood is acrid in my veins, like gleet. I seem to be all festering, rotting; and the worms eating me while I am yet alive. [...] For even this dust[31] must be consumed with fire (Source: Endnote [31] i.e. the Magister Templi.).
My point is that AC in the second most important book of his Thelema, puts a positive spin on being utterly consumed by fire, and by what he describes as hell's unquenchable fire, interpreting it as "... the purging of the worldly Fire in the Aeon of Horus." As his Thelema was a kind of atheism according to him, he had no reason to fear the punishment from any god, i line with what he wrote in the most important book of his Thelema:
"Fear not at all; fear neither men nor Fates, nor gods, nor anything. Money fear not, nor laughter of the folk folly, nor any other power in heaven or upon the earth or under the earth. Nu is your refuge as Hadit your light; and I am the strength, force, vigour, of your arms." (Source: III:17.)
Give me time and I could align a lot of AL with quotes from The Bible.
Yes, that's because the Author of AL, whether Aiwass or AC, is, for some reason, almost as familiar with the King James Bible as he is with AC's sexual predilections.
And, interestingly, is aware of zero things about the Bible not known to educated Englishmen in 1904, such as eg the Nag Hammadi discoveries, just as this Author is aware of zero things about Egyptology discovered after 1904, and prey to many errors common in Egyptology in 1904.
But, despite these curious blank spaces, this Author is able to cater to AC's interest in watching his wife have sex with other men. This may be why some folks prefer older cults, where the obvious fudging and bullshit are harder to detect, despite the Bible's "God"/YHVH being a murderous, malevolent psychopath with sexual issues that make AC/Aiwass look like the poster boy for mental health. His kid was marginally less nuts, and certainly less malevolent, but, after the kid died young, his "new thing" got taken over by a bunch of hustlers, con-men, and control-freaks.
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Barbara: Perhaps you like the idea of "annihilationism" better than the "Official Version", where all of us here, except you, will be tortured by your "God" for Eternity, because you realize that the "Official Version" reveals your "God" to be a monstrous and evil demonic being?
What other sort of creature would want to torture people not just for centuries or millennia but for eternity?
Give me time and I could align a lot of AL with quotes from The Bible.
Yes, that's because the Author of AL, whether Aiwass or AC, is, for some reason, almost as familiar with the King James Bible as he is with AC's sexual predilections.
And, interestingly, is aware of zero things about the Bible....etc etc
The holy books of all of the cultures of the world have common ground.
I'm sure you've seen the recommended reading list in Magick in theory and practice but I don't know.
Can't recall that MITP list, david, but had read all of the AA student list by age 15-16. If there is a book AC recommended somewhere, i have probably read it.
And of course you're right that all the world's holy books overlap a lot, but there are also many idiosyncrasies, like the Bible God's obsession with preventing men seeing their father's penises, and His hatred of shrimp, bacon, and blended fabrics.
And speaking of idiosyncratic aspects of purported holy books: Why do you suppose Aiwass was so insistent on AC's wife catering to his sexual fantasies of her as loud and adulterous and screwing other men for him to watch? Anyone gullible enough to fall for that one has not a leg to stand on in criticizing any Xian fundamentalist, and Barbara is far indeed from being that (or she wouldn't even be talking to us).
Can't recall that MITP list, david, but had read all of the AA student list by age 15-16. If there is a book AC recommended somewhere, i have probably read it.
The Bible by various authors unknown. The Hebrew and Greek Originals are of Qabalistic value. It contains also many magical apologues, and recounts many tales of folk-lore and magical rites.
The Blossom and the Fruit by Mabel Collins. Valuable for its account of the Path
: Why do you suppose Aiwass was so insistent on AC's wife catering to his sexual fantasies of her as loud and adulterous and screwing other men for him to watch? Anyone gullible enough to fall for that one has not a leg to stand on in criticizing any Xian fundamentalist, and Barbara is far indeed from being that (or she wouldn't even be talking to us).
You're referring to AL Chapter 3:44;
But let her raise herself in pride! Let her follow me in my way! Let her work the work of wickedness! Let her kill her heart! Let her be loud and adulterous! Let her be covered with jewels, and rich garments, and let her be shameless before all men!
No you're missing it it isn't necessarily about that one 'Scarlet Woman' it's about fellas who are in the mood and ladies with an attitude ;Modern Millie, The It Girls y'know the 'Roaring 20s' F.Scott Fitzgerald and all that.
