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Posted by: @dom

You're referring to AL Chapter 3:44;

Yes, and III:43, and 45:

43 Let the Scarlet Woman beware! If pity and compassion and tenderness visit her heart; if she leave my work to toy with old sweetnesses; then shall my vengeance be known. I will slay me her child: I will alienate her heart: I will cast her out from men: as a shrinking and despised harlot shall she crawl through dusk wet streets, and die cold and an-hungered.

45 Then will I lift her to pinnacles of power: then will I breed from her a child mightier than all the kings of the earth. I will fill her with joy: with my force shall she see & strike at the worship of Nu: she shall achieve Hadit. 

and of course also III:55-6:

55 Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you!
56 Also for beauty's sake and love's!
Since you seem unaware of YHVH's great obsession with prohibiting men from seeing their father's penises, i will did out those quotes tomorrow.
 
Noah is one obvious example where this comes up (also a key Biblical justification for chattel slavery in this story (enslaving black folks was OK because Ham saw his dad Noah's penis (after Noah passed out drunk with his wee-wee out); no i am not making this up)):

20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

28 And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.

29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

Yes, Noah lived to be 950 years old, and anyone who doubts this is going to Hell for all eternity (or a quick annihilation if our pal Barbara is right, and almost all other Xians in history are wrong).
 
I can recall seeing my late fathers penis several times when we were changing at the beach, so that makes it A-OK in Biblical terms to enslave my descendants for all eternity.

 


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Posted by: @ignant666
Posted by: @dom

You're referring to AL Chapter 3:44;

Yes, and III:43, and 45:

43 Let the Scarlet Woman beware! If pity and compassion and tenderness visit her heart; if she leave my work to toy with old sweetnesses; then shall my vengeance be known. I will slay me her child: I will alienate her heart: I will cast her out from men: as a shrinking and despised harlot shall she crawl through dusk wet streets, and die cold and an-hungered.

45 Then will I lift her to pinnacles of power: then will I breed from her a child mightier than all the kings of the earth. I will fill her with joy: with my force shall she see & strike at the worship of Nu: she shall achieve Hadit. 

and of course also III:55-6:

55 Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you!
56 Also for beauty's sake and love's!
 

Yet you fail to acknowledge my point that you miss the point.   Yeah you don't need to preach to me about the crackpot weirdness sections of The Bible.  I've met and talked to Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses.  That is the poison of the Old Aeon yes...

Micah 7:18-19 "Who is a God like you,
who pardons sin and forgives the transgression
of the remnant of his inheritance?
You do not stay angry forever
but delight to show mercy.
You will again have compassion on us;
you will tread our sins underfoot
and hurl all our iniquities into the depths of the sea."

 

and so on.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Posted by: @dom

the crackpot weirdness sections of The Bible

The point i was making, that you seem to be missing, is that whatever old Bible-writing Jew who didn't want his kids to see his wee-wee (see also Rodney Dangerfield (a Jew): "My daughter saw me coming out of the shower naked. She said 'Daddy! It's like a penis, only smaller!") is lost to history, but AC's desire that his wife Rose screw other men while he watched is more recent.

These sections of purported "holy books" are both (obvious) products of some human sexual hang-ups, but are in each case presented as being of divine origin. Anyone who swallows AL is in a very poor position to be skeptical of  Genesis. And vice versa.


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Leviticus 14 gives very specific and precise commandments re: how to deal with potential plague or infection in the home:

 

“And the priest shall come again the seventh day, and shall look: and, behold, if the plague be spread in the walls of the house; Then the priest shall command that they take away the stones in which the plague is, and they shall cast them into an unclean place without the city.”

 

In other words, if your house is riddled with infectious disease and we can't fix it in 7 days, we're dissembling and hauling it out of town! Too bad, so sad. Obviously, we handle things much differently in our brave new world. Is this in defiance of the direct commands of the Allmighty? OR...do we try to read the archaic weirdnesses of the Old Testament in terms of context? In this particular instance, to allow the house to stand would be to doom the community as the contagion would spread and render everyone infected, homeless and dying. Many other “commands” have unique contexts which need to be understood if we understand how the Spirit giveth life but the Letter killeth. Perhaps a more modern example would be wearing a mask in Coivd-Times. There are those who shriek about their rights and the Constitution...it's a public health issue and a means to curb sickness, suffering and death.

 

Women: cover your heads. Well, this was to ensure there would be no confusion between the early Christian Women and the prostitutes who did not cover their heads and wore their hair short. But today we have Churches where women spend an exorbitant amount of money on lavish hats and completely miss the point Paul was making. THAT would be an example of rigid fundamentalism. Obey and never question.

 

Ignant is correct. There are a shit-ton of WTF moments in the Bible and I think they can be examined with some curiosity and interest as opposed to damning an entire religion based on an immediate and knee-jerk reaction. People point to Onan as an example of why one shouldn't masturbate-but the tale of Onan is really one of selfishly shirking responsibility to honor and care for one's family.

 

I am not saying the Canonical Scriptures are all Hunky Dory. Even in the NT, I find Philemon to be repulsive and an example of co-opting a belief system to support temporal power structures. But we have the whole process of a political committee weighing in to determine what constitutes the Canonical. Some would argue that this was the Work of God. I would argue that it all left threads untied which will undo the dogmatic domain of the orthodox when examined closely. They left things out which “Open The Kingdom.” And still, the Key Initiatory Elements remain.


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Any person more fortunate than myself who did not have to attend Sunday School until puberty/Confirmation, and who is thus unfamiliar with the Holy Bible, would do well to read the superb Ken's Guide To The Bible,  a "guide to the Bible with a focus on sex, gore and lunacy [the 3 main topics, for those unfamiliar with the Bible]"

Obviously, i am preaching to the choir recommending this book here (though Barbara might want to give it a look), but when will we get a Ken's Guide To Liber AL


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Posted by: @ignant666

when will we get a Ken's Guide To Liber AL

You mean with the blood of children and how to smash insects to crush your enemies and why we all need to get our own island and eat the eyes of Jesus while we slap Mohamed this way and that and the poor scarlet women who can't keep up will be dragged through the streets?

 


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Well, yes, exactly.

You are aware that there are folks who treat AL exactly the way Xian fundies treat the Bible?

Some of them post here when they dare (seldom), but mostly they belong to a certain Caliphornian organization (and its Associated .'. Affiliate .'.).

Who are forbidden to post here, and may read these words only under threat of the Thelemite Holy Vehm & Inquisition.


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Maybe someone could oblige if I'm missing something, but I'm just sort of curious how the past page and a half of this thread (at least) has some sort of relation to the OT (i.e., "the man behind Amado Crowley")?

N Joy


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Posted by: @ignant666

You are aware that there are folks who treat AL exactly the way Xian fundies treat the Bible?

Yep.

I think Jesus was a Man before his Time. In fact, I think Jesus belongs to the Aeon of Ma'at.

And I think there is a neurosis in the knee-jerk condemnation of the "Osirian." Notice how no one emerges to condemn the "Isisian?"

Posted by: @ignant666

Some of them post here when they dare (seldom), but mostly they belong to a certain Caliphornian organization (and its Associated .'. Affiliate .'.).

Who are forbidden to post here, and may read these words only under threat of the Thelemite Holy Vehm & Inquisition.

Ignant, I remember when you first joined Lashtal. I remember when there were LOTS of OTO members here. There were wonderful threads full of impassioned argument and dispute. I would, of course, engage on the "side" of the Typhonians. It was great fun, really. I recall when the SOTO jumped in and there were all sorts of great three-way battles.

Now it feels like there are less than a dozen who show up at the bar and carry the torch. We KNOW that OTO, Inc has been forbidden to come to Lashtal and engage. What irony. And what a sad and sorry testimony for an organization supposedly devoted to the promulgation of the Law of Thelema. 

In the meantime, here's a toast to the Lashtalians present! Here's to Ignant, Shiva and Dom! Here's to Barbara and Horemaket and Michael Staley! Here's to Wellbred! Here's to Duck and here's to all those we quarrel with (Xon and Mal-and each other)!  

We're a decent lot, I think.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Maybe someone could oblige if I'm missing something, but I'm just sort of curious how the past page and a half of this thread (at least) has some sort of relation to the OT (i.e., "the man behind Amado Crowley")?

N Joy

It's spiraling off but who cares....

I forgot to toast YOU, Jamie! Cheers! 

 


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We KNOW that OTO, Inc has been forbidden to come to Lashtal and engage.

I know, because I've seen it asserted here (and there here), and in all probability I suppose it's quite likely to be true, but I can't recall ever having seen any proof there is some sort of prohibitive order from on high to their members about this.  Would it be possible to supply some actual evidence?

"PS" Cheers to you too Kyle, by the way!

Invisiblyishly yours,

N Joy


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Would it be possible to supply some actual evidence?

I will appeal to our now very small circle to help me out. I had received a private communication re: someone name Keith Readdy and a book about "One Spirit, One Truth"....apparently, this person had written some footnote or passage condemning all known groups outside of the one and only OTO, Inc.

OTO, INC MEMBERS, I implore you! Please help clarify this issue!

At one time, OTO, Inc was on this site every night fighting TOTO in a copyright battle. They have since vanished. Narry a Knight to lift the Sword on behalf of the King. And yet-are we not the Home of the Aleister Crowley Society?! 

Should I be proved wrong, I will humbly acknowledge my error! I would love it if OTO, Inc Members would join us here! We will, most certainly, have MUCH to ask of them!   

 


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I have made the same plea for the (c)OTOs to move therefore and show themselves, but with no result. And i also miss the days when they posted here, and am also appalled that they have been forbidden to do so.

Of course, i am even more appalled that folks who fancy themselves as "Thelemites" would obey such a dictum. And baffled at how/why folks inclined to obey would have an interest in Thelema. These damn kids these days, etc.

And as to Jamie's question as to what this thread now has to do with the OT: our new friend Barbara, an Xian, and and an ex-Amado disciple, and several of us have been just conversating a bit. She has lasted much longer here than any previous Xian poster that i can recall, and has refrained from apologetics/proselytizing, and has just been talking with us.

+++++++++++++++

Although, were one to slum over at the "New Fruitcake Factory" (aka reddit/Thelema), where they are very definitely allowed to post, and in fact run the joint, one might be inclined to wonder just how much the very obedient members of the (c)OTO, and its Associated .'. Affiliate .'., might be able to contribute to an intelligent discussion of the work and legacy of AC, Thelema, or indeed much else.


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And we can bear in mind that Barbara has regarded SOME of her contacts here as “friends.”

 

THIS is a wonderful thing. It's easy to jump onto any online forum and draw a sword. It's another thing to express oneself as authentically as possible and look to make a genuine connection with other humans swimming in the same soup.

 

We are so small a group now that I am not worried about “going off topic.” If need be, I would be happy to see a new thread re: Christianity and Thelema. Either way, I find this particular topic to be of great personal interest. I'm a simultaneous fan of both AC and JC. I regard rigid Aeonic Demarcations as a Dogmatism appealing to fundamentalist psychology.

 

Shiva makes appeal to Bailey and the Seven Rays School. This connects to the Model of Circuits. I am quite fond of this and, in fact, finalizing a Tarot based on this Super Structure.

 

THIS, I regard, as a continuance of the Legacy of Crowley. Crowley was a wise man, despite his follies. He was a dysfunctional and fucked up guy....but I still regard many of his works as manifestations of the Super-Consciousness.

 

This should also give us encouragement...no matter how much we may seem to be “fucked up” (which is how Philip Dick described being in a State of “Sin”), we ARE “Stars” and unique beacons of the Divine Light.


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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

Notice how no one emerges to condemn the "Isisian?"

I have made confessions about my Holy Guru, The Grand Master of the Many Days herself, who was all for an Isis brigade, with her being the Isis-Mama-Boss person. This worked out rather well during the early Isis stage. But when the Establishment (Osiris) came after her, she became brittle and hard, eventually leading to actions that are easily re-cognized as the work of a Black Sister. It became bad and then got worse. I have told this tale under many banners, even here. Bitchy, elderly ladies are fine examples of this "Kranky-Isis Syndrome. I have known younger gals who fell into the same rut.

On the other hand, my second teacher actually had the name Isis legally inserted between her first and last names. She lived up to the proper standard, for decades.

There are even further insights on both these, et al, in Hot Zones of ...    coming soon.

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an organization supposedly devoted to the promulgation of the Law of Thelema. 

Um, look, I have good, real experience in the OTO, now retroactively abrogated due to clandestine activities (we had verbal orders to "Go!," a pile of secret docs up to the IX*, and a talisman from Crowley to Wolfe to Aquarius, to us. But we had no Written Charter signed by the G.'.M.'. BafomethR (who was dead). Thus we fell under the thing that you are describing.

It is called "The Them versus Us Imperative." It is very Horus-Setian. There are actually people here who might criticize or downplay some act or word of the Org, and the fill/kill debate was probably the critical breaking point. I know all about the Them vs Us. It was not paranoia. We had things "they" (The Establishment) wanted. We had no opportunity to get along with other Thelemites, because there were none. There were imposter Thelemites, but at our initiations we were taught to be cautious. Them vs Us vs Them. See Ch 3, AL. Go on, go on, in my strength. Heck, you have to have some dharana to get across The Burning Ground.

Anyway, to finish up my self-imposed second paragraph (but you bring up such interesting topics), do you know who I get random inquiry emails from? Members of the Oriental Templar Org who are ill at ease with their circumstances. Because of my reputation in Oriental Temporal matters, and my big mouth (or active keyboard), they ask me to explain certain "whys," and I entertain them with "becauses," and I usually reassure them that something is rotten in Norway (was it?).

Summary: We are the over-blown scum of LAShTAL, a sacred name stolen by a Moderator who lets people speak up ... with only minimal, reasonable rules. If only LAShTAL had been properly trademarked (TM), the fit would be hitting the Shan.

 


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@kidneyhawk

 

I've often criticized the Isisian Aeon as a simple obsolete period because that's what it was.  I don't have disdain I just call out nomadic wandering with only stone tools at one's disposal as being a springboard for better things.  Likewise I don't have disdain for my childhood when I thrilled at lighting fires and used stone tools in the wild in my gang.  

The parable of the talents what's all that about?  Don't bury your talents with asceticism?

My main critique of Jesus is that he gave no instructions in the work other than say that particular prayer daily.  Crowley on the other hand produced a concise library full of instructions.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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I get it now. I am a “star” because I am a unique beacon of the Divine Light. I am a child of the Living God! Though my path is different, we are all pressing upward toward the light. Hallelujah! Thank you @kidneyhawk for just the right words to get me to see this. Mostly I don’t understand what you folks are saying, but I understand that we are all stars, including me.

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Posted by: @dom

My main critique of Jesus is that he gave no instructions in the work other than say that particular prayer daily.  Crowley on the other hand produced a concise library full of instructions.

​Aha!  I see you have discovered the difference between the 6th ray and the 7th.

Posted by: @barbaragreen

I understand that we are all stars

"Every man & every woman is a star."

Sez so in one of the Thelemic Holy Books.

 

 


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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

 

Shiva makes appeal to Bailey and the Seven Rays School. This connects to the Model of Circuits. I am quite fond of this and, in fact, finalizing a Tarot based on this Super Structure.

 

Rays?  What is that about?

 

What do you make of Crowley's critique of Christ?  Christ seemed to give no scientific instructions other than a) submit to his status as YHVH Jnr and as the only way to 'salvation' and b) repeat the Our Father prayer daily.    

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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blogging is Choronzon
memorandum circulating discouraging discussions on social media mentioned in
One Truth One Spirit pg 280

All i m looking for is more gossip on the woman that slept with Adam before Eve.


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And more on
the one that shifted,
and gave the fruit
of vision
that looketh;
thou art.


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It's been said that the figure Jesus was an occultist in the tradition that became known as The Cabbalah.  "On Earth as it is in Heaven" is a Hermetic principle.   "Thy Kingdom come"  refers to Malkuth (Kingdom) which 'earths' astral machinations at the base of The Tree of Life;

 

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Well then, lets hear more on
the yod-he-vau-shin-ayin; and
the occult body brought into being by BapometR,
set forth in the passage of the magical path.
And the concealed aspect of Nachash the Shiny One,
and the initiation of the liberation of the child.


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Posted by: @tiger

memorandum circulating discouraging discussions on social media mentioned in
One Truth One Spirit pg 280

It would be too much to ask for, of course, for you to type out the relevant couple of sentences in order that we would all have some sort of an idea exactly what verbotenism it is you're referring to, tiger?  For all those (including myself) unlucky - or perhaps lucky - enough not to have purchased the relevant volume for ourselves...

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I get it now. I am a “star” because I am a unique beacon of the Divine Light. I am a child of the Living God! Though my path is different, we are all pressing upward toward the light. Hallelujah! Thank you @kidneyhawk for just the right words to get me to see this. Mostly I don’t understand what you folks are saying, but I understand that we are all stars, including me.

But stars without any trace of (original) sin, guilt or grace - it should naturally go without saying...

N Joy


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Posted by: @tiger

All i m looking for is more gossip on the woman that slept with Adam before Eve.

@tiger

Have you read Liber Lilith?  Quite good.

 

 

@kidneyhawk

 

Don't forget poor ol' Tiger an' me.  

I been lurkin'

Enjoying your Hoodoo book btw,

 

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I have made the same plea for the (c)OTOs to move therefore and show themselves, but with no result. And i also miss the days when they posted here, and am also appalled that they have been forbidden to do so.

If that is true that they are forbidden to read/post here that is certainly not very Thelemic!  Perhaps that is an Amendment to Liber Oz: Man and woman have the right to read and post what and where they Wilt. 

 

Thanks for the recco RE Ken's guide to the Bible.  I was looking for something like that, or a novelisation of the book.  Which would be fairly huge I would imagine. 


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a novelisation of the book

The closest thing to that might be R. Crumb's monumental version of Genesis:

https://www.crumbproducts.com/The-Illustrated-Book-of-Genesis-hardcover_p_324.html


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Posted by: @dom

Rays?  What is that about?

I have only been posting comments, docs, and videos on the Science of the Seven rays, here on LAShTAL, for a few years.

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If that is true that they are forbidden to read/post here that is certainly not very Thelemic! 

From Day One, the Great BofometR said the Swiss Tong was to be the physical vehicle for the promulgation of Thelems. But even in that first degree, one is counseled about the restrictions that would be placed upon the initiate (the "tent pole" speech), and how they would lead to illumination, or Will, or something good.

Don't you (anyone) get it? They are The Tong. Have you ever heard of Absolute Dictatorship? Read The Constitution of 1917. Not now, I have it coming, with subtle commentary, in Hot Zones ...

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Man and woman have the right to read and post what and where they Wilt. 

This is theoretical idealism. 6th ray stuff. Devotion. If one wavers just a tad from political correctness on the Wild world web, they will instantly be accused of racism, hate crimes, blasphemy, sedition, and the other cultural 4th circuit sins. They may go to jail. In The Tong, you will do whatever the boss says, or you will never see the next higher degree. Chris, remember the Army? I do. The Tong is a metaphysical Army, but you don't get paid. Members are expected to pay all dues and fees in advance ... and to follow the Orders issued from the military temple.

Also, as dom mentioned, they do not have a training program. You know, like in any 6th ray org. Devotion!  You need to join The One True A.'.A.'. Order to get to the 7th ray, supervised, curriculum of how to do it.  Or ... one can just read The Libers and forget the dues. There is usually a fee associated with any Liber, unless you have a working computer and an internet connection.

Internet minutes fees may apply, depending on your IP (Ipsissimus).

 

 


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Posted by: @dom

 

What do you make of Crowley's critique of Christ?  Christ seemed to give no scientific instructions other than a) submit to his status as YHVH Jnr and as the only way to 'salvation' and b) repeat the Our Father prayer daily.    

If you take a look at the gospels there are innumerable occasions when Christ offers instruction to his disciples. Certainly too many to cite each one in a small post like this. Unlike Crowley he tended to be more opportunistic in his teaching methods, using situations as they arose to demonstrate certain principles, and certainly not 'scientific' (but then neither was Crowley really, but that's another topic), which is to my mind suitable enough, considering that he was teaching 1st century peasants around the sea of Galilee, not the middle classes of 20th century Europe. 

To summarise however, he was quite terse to a certain Lawyer who sought to bamboozle him (Luke 10:27) "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind: and thy neighbour as thyself". Which is clearly a form of Bhakti yoga, although if you ask me that last point about loving thy neighbour brings the whole thing far beyond a simple devotion to a God to a whole other outlook on life and on other people. But as before, he demonstrated this in his teachings and proclivity for healing people and feeding the poor.


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Posted by: @christibrany

Don't forget poor ol' Tiger an' me

Cheers to you both! 🙂 Although I think Tiger is better prefaced with "Burning bright in the forests of the night!"


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Posted by: @pertinax

using situations as they arose

Yeah. Wu-wei.

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clearly a form of Bhakti yoga

Yeah. 6th ray. Devotion. Abstract Idealism.

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a whole other outlook on life and on other people.

Yeah. Samadhi.

 

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Posted by: @dom

 

What do you make of Crowley's critique of Christ?  Christ seemed to give no scientific instructions other than a) submit to his status as YHVH Jnr and as the only way to 'salvation' and b) repeat the Our Father prayer daily.    

If you take a look at the gospels there are innumerable occasions when Christ offers instruction to his disciples. Certainly too many to cite each one in a small post like this. Unlike Crowley he tended to be more opportunistic in his teaching methods, using situations as they arose to demonstrate certain principles, and certainly not 'scientific' (but then neither was Crowley really, but that's another topic), which is to my mind suitable enough, considering that he was teaching 1st century peasants around the sea of Galilee, not the middle classes of 20th century Europe. 

Bhakti yoga yes good point. Maybe we should do a new thread;

 

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/christianity-and-thelema/

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

And we can bear in mind that Barbara has regarded SOME of her contacts here as “friends.”

 

THIS is a wonderful thing. It's easy to jump onto any online forum and draw a sword. It's another thing to express oneself as authentically as possible and look to make a genuine connection with other humans swimming in the same soup.

 

We are so small a group now that I am not worried about “going off topic.” If need be, I would be happy to see a new thread re: Christianity and Thelema.

Good idea;

 

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/christianity-and-thelema/

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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I hear that's the fastest growing Grimoire in the underground.
In another rumor I heard she refused to lie under Adam.

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Posted by: @tiger

Hope This Works

Thank you for that, tiger.  This provides something to go on -

It is known to the author that a memorandum has been circulated in the Outer College of the A.'. A.'. discouraging any such engagement in discussions on social media, and that policies for social media are being considered at certain administrative levels of the O.T.O..

However it is still really hearsay on the next level up, though: ideally now, the next best thing would be for somebody to be able to have sight of & relay the actual "memorandum" which was circulated, together with any further information regarding the "policies" which are under consideration (but not apparently yet in effect?) by the Caliphornian OTO itself.

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Posted by: @jamiejbarter

not apparently yet in effect?

The Readdy book is two years old at this point. No one admitting to (c)OTO membership has posted here in years, whereas at least half the regular posters here when i joined were (c)OTOs.

So perhaps the Caliphornians are faster at promulgating speech/thought restrictions than they are at "publishing Crowley books", implementing the little-known "Liber OZ footnote"?

Man has the right to think what he will:

to speak what he will:
to write what he will*

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* Except when We say otherwise.

The "no social media" rule clearly does not apply to the Thelema reddit which is run by, and features daily posts by, self-identified (c)OTOs. I believe they are also active on the Book Of Faces (which i have no contact with).


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And, given the exceptions to the "no social media" rule for the reddit group they control, and possible similar Facebook groups (and the Thelemic Union site, which has many posts by (c)OTOs), we should be clear that this is actually a "No posting on/reading Lashtal" rule.

Maybe when it was promulgated 2 years ago, it also included "No posting on/reading Heruraha [aka the "Fruitcake Factory" (credit where due, this was S.'. H.'. Fra. Dr. Los P (PhD 8=3's best joke)]", which was still active then.

But, other than the (c)OTO-controlled exceptions to the "no social media" rule, and us, what else is there? This is a rule to prevent their members' delicate, shell-like ears, and tiny minds, being confused by the thoughts of us heretics/Thelemic Protestants.


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kidneyhawk: "In the meantime, here's a toast to the Lashtalians present! Here's to Ignant, Shiva and Dom! Here's to Barbara and Horemaket and Michael Staley! Here's to Wellbred! Here's to Duck and here's to all those we quarrel with (Xon and Mal-and each other)! "

Thanks, a toast in return from me to you kidneyhawk, and to all the regulars (both direct participants and lurkers)."

ignant666: "Since you seem unaware of YHVH's great obsession with prohibiting men from seeing their father's penises, i will did out those quotes tomorrow."

Will you please provide those quotes?


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Check the paragraph after the one you quote for a longish quote from Genesis re the evils of seeing one's father's penis. This charming little anecdote is also the main Biblical "justification" for human slavery- it was OK, and indeed God-approved, to enslave Black humans, because Ham saw Noah's penis when Noah passed out drunk.

i would think a man as familiar with Xian apologetics as you would have no problem finding the other times this pops up, all OT as far as i can recall.


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