What was the point of resurrecting this thread anyway? Have you all run out of new ideas? Is the LAShTAL well dried-up?Please Do NOT Feed
The pessimistic Trollwho asks "Why?"
evoking BecauseetcExcuses will be made ... but when one takes a shit shot at the camp, the well, and the "you all" distinction, as if one is special and separate from the herd membership, then the Trollicide notices get tacked up.You should take better care.
Mr Stool has circuit deformations that prohibit such silly notions as "taking care" or "thinking twice before blurting."
You may affirm this dx by noting the endless repetition of not taking care. I have exercised mentorship, tutorship, and fact-checkership to no avail, which is [duh] stupidship on my part as this is not a teaching site.
That was absolutely fascinating. . .
Well, yes, I believe he was a fascist - onw who thought poorly of folks older than he. His snimsyrf-gif, cluster-bomb attack at the end of the unwinding breakdown of the false prophet of digitalia was the most spectacular event of its kind on record, and it is a prototypical example of what can happen when computer technology is given to the feeble-minded ... they think they are unique and important.
Ha.
@lashtal, @eol : Note that formatting has gone screwy as of Mr Stool's post. This has happened a few times before when old threads have been revived; hope there is some solution.
Yes, it's weird with older threads. The first two pages of this one were okay, than for two pages everthing was cursive, then for two pages everything was striked out (if that's the correct word) which was hard to read, after that it got back to normal.
I was not aware that a video was being researched.
It's only mentioned in the post that revived this thread: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/126221/
, but I know the subject leaves a bad taste in most people's mouths.
maybe that's because most books on that nazi occultism take a lot of "creative liberties" with facts and history?
Which is to say that they're about as factual as Amado's claims.
maybe that's because most books on that nazi occultism take a lot of "creative liberties" with facts and history?
It also seems that only Nazi-friendly people who happen to be "interested" in the occult (or in megalomania) see anything worthwhile in stuff like that. Occult messiah? C'mon.
It also seems that only Nazi-friendly people who happen to be "interested" in the occult (or in megalomania) see anything worthwhile in stuff like that. Occult messiah? C'mon.
Yeah, really, any accounts of Hitler as some kind of dark magus are pure fantasy.
I admit I have read a translation of Wiligut's writings, but that was partly because I wanted to know what, if anything, was behind the fantasies, and partly because of my interest in the history of magickal practice.
@katrice I fear that you and Simon Iff misunderstand me and my interest in the fringe sub-subject of German occultism in general and the Nazis in particular. I know that much of the literature of the Nazi-Occult genre are nearly all based on the famous book, Morning of the Magicians. A highly entertaining book that includes a wide range of esoteric subject matter. I have read and own many books on the subject. I agree with you. Books like The Spear of Destiny are mostly fantasy with just enough historical truth to make it palatable. Here is a shocking revelation: Hitler himself had no interest in the occult, did not believe in Astrology, and thought that Henrich Himmler's Ahnererbe research was counterproductive as Hitler saw Germany as the spiritual descendent of Ancient Rome.(Probably more so than Mussolini). He is has been reported as saying "that all that Himmler's research proved was that while Rome was the height of her Empire, we Germans were living in mud huts." There are balanced and well researched books on the subject, Notably the Occult Roots of Nazism and Black Sun by Goodrick-Clarke. The only other high-ranking Nazi interested in the occult was Rudolph Hess whose connection to Mr. Crowley is, to say the least, intriguing. Books like Gerald Suster's Occult Messiah are simply interesting reading. I would also mention Wilhelm Wulf's book: Zodiac and Swastika. In the Introduction he states (And I am paraphrasing) The Third Reich did not accept the reality of astrology until nearly the end of the war. It was unutilized by desperate men looking for answers in a desperate situation. Astrology was used as a propaganda tool, nothing more. Hope this helps.
@toadstoolwe I didn't want to insinuate anything about your motives, I was just talking of my impressions I gathered when this stuff was discussed many times here and elsewhere. Open a thread, see what happens.
RealSimonIff: You and Katrice are sort of like the canary in the mine. I don't think anyone will be interested. But thanks for the suggestion.
[Y]ou [....] misunderstand me and my interest in the fringe sub-subject of German occultism in general and the Nazis in particular.
It is perhaps somehow unfair that, when a person who has repeatedly called himself "pro-Fascist" expresses an interest in discussing false ideas about Nazis and the occult, false ideas that everyone knows are very popular among those who are "pro-Fascist", that folks might think that that particular "pro-Fascist" person was a believer in those false ideas (the ones that everyone knows are very popular among those who are "pro-Fascist").
But this is the way of the world.
@ignant666 I never said that I believed in the absolute reality of the Nazi-Occult ideology. I am just interested, it adds another dimension to an already over-crowded universe of the occult, magic(K) and mysticism. The idea of an occult connection with the Nazis is not new. Even during World War 2, books such as "They used Dark Forces" were popular. Morning of the Magicians tore the lid off the idea, and it has been with us ever since. German and British mystics (Including Crowley) Could not help but see that in the ideology of National Socialism, there was a strong anti-materialist, anti-Cartesian view of the reality. German philosophers like Heidegger, Schopenhauer, Hegel (Right wing Hegelism) and of course Nietzsche spurred the interest in Eastern mysticism and the anti-Cartesian world view. It was Crowley who wrote that Hitler must have read and been influenced by Liber al vel Legis. (Magick without Tears). I keep my politics separate from my occult interests and readings.
I fear that you and Simon Iff misunderstand me and my interest in the fringe sub-subject of German occultism in general and the Nazis in particular.
It is not a matter of misunderstanding, it is a matter of even bringing the subject up [period]
Observation of the law of cause and effect will inform anyone who cognizes that mentioning any aspect of the third Reich (unless directly related to AC) is going to get a mountain of backwash [period]
This is not an advocation of censorship - because nobody removes one's words. One may think of it as Words to the Wise [.]
Here is a shocking revelation: Hitler himself had no interest in the occult
You see? You just go on an on and on. Your statement is acausal as it has nothing to do with AC or the thread. I have already passed over a series of replies coming your way, but I predict you are headed for the outhouse.
But this is the way of the world.
The way of the world would stop weighing if certain obsessive interests (non-AC) did not repeatedly pop-up to the surface. That is, "more than twice," which makes it an interrogation, which is subject to abusive penalties.
You see? You just go on an on and on. Your statement is acausal as it has nothing to do with AC or the thread. I have already passed over a series of replies coming your way, but I predict you are headed for the outhouse.
I didn't bring it up, SimonIff and Katrina did. I just mentioned in passing that i spent $45.00 on a Gerald Suster Book about Hitler, Crowley, and the new Aeon. Maybe you could hold a seance and complain to him about it.
It has everything to do with A.C. The synergistic relationship between Crowley's revelation and Hitler's rise to power are no coincidence. The warrior Horus, the resurrection of the Spirit of Wotan (C.G. Jung words, not mine.) You see where the world is now, all the pieces are falling into place.
Anyone else remember when this thread wasn’t all about @toadstoolwe?
It has everything to do with A.C. The synergistic relationship between Crowley's revelation and Hitler's rise to power are no coincidence.
Then, as suggested, you should open a thread on that topic, which has been discussed extensively in prior eras here, instead of amplifying a remark made by someone else into The hidden History of ww2.
You have openly confessed, in digital typescript, recently so not lost, to an "obsession" with fascist leaders. Obsessions are problematic and tend to produce high-maintenance posters. I recommend Liber Jugorum in it's sharpest sense as a remedy for such fixations.
Furthermore, in the free advice department, I recommend a (minimum) 3-year course (3x/week - 1 hour each time) in martial arts. Since you are retired, it would be brutally unfair to direct you toward Karate or Aikido, as they are rather physically demanding. Your onlyoption in Combat Tai Chi, or some similar wu-wei-type art ("no effort," "no doing").
I recommend this physical-planr recommendation to anyone who is feeble and fearful of bullies. You see, if the bodyguards were removed, a person (you or I) could be alone in a room with any of the famous dictators, and one would want some competent skill under their (black) belt for such an occasion.
The warrior Horus, the resurrection of the Spirit of Wotan (C.G. Jung words, not mine.) You see where the world is now, all the pieces are falling into place.
A completely opinionated statement, un-related to Amado, AC, or Anything other than the need to begin deep, slow, breathing, followed by a consultation with the medication schedule.
Anyone else remember when this thread wasn’t all about @toadstoolwe?
His purpose in life is to be a thread-closer.
Before that happens, I would like to return to Amado, the Christian lady, and the amazing demonstration of cultural-religio-entrapment ... as set forth in this thread, earlier, as a reminder of the Netzach-Necklock that everybody has to get out of.
You have openly confessed, in digital typescript, recently so not lost, to an "obsession" with fascist leaders. Obsessions are problematic and tend to produce high-maintenance posters. I recommend Liber Jugorum in it's sharpest sense as a remedy for such fixations.
Thank you for your thoughtful recommendations., I appreciate it. However, I am not interested in "re-programming" myself by the instructions in Liber Jugorum, or self-mutilation for breaking some self-imposed restriction on words. It is old mind control trick used by cult leaders for centuries.
Then, as suggested, you should open a thread on that topic, which has been discussed extensively in prior eras here, instead of amplifying a remark made by someone else into The hidden History of ww2.
If it has already been discussed extensively, there is to be gained by my opening a new thread. Thanks, but no thanks.
You have openly confessed, in digital typescript, recently so not lost, to an "obsession" with fascist leaders. Obsessions are problematic and tend to produce high-maintenance posters. I recommend Liber Jugorum in it's sharpest sense as a remedy for such fixations.
I am "obsessed " by all dictators and tyrants, Communist and Fascist. i.e. Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Mihn, Pol Pot. The "world historical" figures who for better or worse have mde their mark in history. I would include Aleister Crowley, the magus, poet and artist, and cult leader.
Your onlyoption in Combat Tai Chi, or some similar wu-wei-type art ("no effort," "no doing").
Baguazhang is nice for those with an interest in the I Ching.
@katrice Here is a shocking revelation: Hitler himself had no interest in the occult,
Shocking to who? It's well documented.
Hitler saw Germany as the spiritual descendent of Ancient Rome.
Also not shocking, the salute and the Reichsadler are two of the most obvious indicators,
There are balanced and well researched books on the subject, Notably the Occult Roots of Nazism and Black Sun by Goodrick-Clarke.
Agreed it's one of the better ones. The Secret King is another since it's Wiligut's own words.
Books like Gerald Suster's Occult Messiah are simply interesting reading.
I would also mention Wilhelm Wulf's book: Zodiac and Swastika. Hope this helps.
In that this line of the response was the only new information for me,yes.
I am not interested in "re-programming" myself by the instructions in Liber Jugorum, or self-mutilation for breaking some self-imposed restriction on words. It is old mind control trick used by cult leaders for centuries.
Might I recommend using it as a means of tracking and modifying or eliminating habits, and maybe just making a mark on paper whenever you slip, and using that as a record of your progress? Much more useful and it doesn't require so many sutures.
Before that happens, I would like to return to Amado,
and I'd like to know about the Book of Desolation, even if it was probably (definitely) written by Amado himself.
Shocking to who? It's well documented.
Only within the realm of Nazi occultism and anyone who was interested enough to investigate. To most people, Hitler was a half-crazed Caligula who poured over astrological charts making his decisions. Just one of the many myths about Hitler.
Also not shocking, the salute and the Reichsadler are two of the most obvious indicators,
I never said that is was "shocking". The Roman salute is a 19th century affectation in European art portraying Ancient Rome. The salute was also called the Bellamy salute and was widely used in American schools in the early 20th century when saying the pledge of allegiance, Mussolini appropriated it as did Hitler. The Reichs eagle or Roman eagle, again, has been utilized by many countries, (Napoleon) including the United States. Hitler's view of Imperial Rome as the perfect state is much more profound than the superficialities you point to.
Might I recommend using it as a means of tracking and modifying or eliminating habits, and maybe just making a mark on paper whenever you slip, and using that as a record of your progress? Much more useful and it doesn't require so many sutures.
I am not interested in changing any of my habits.
@toadstool
Don't worry...some that are having problems with your self confessed obsession with the occult and Nazism actually support the fascist West's favorite NaZi warmongers and the genocide of ethnic Russians taking us to the edge of thermonuclear war and certain economic collapse of the west...
Don't worry...some that are having problems with your self confessed obsession with the occult and Nazism actually support the fascist West's favorite NaZi warmongers and the genocide of ethnic Russians taking us to the edge of thermonuclear war and certain economic collapse of the west...
I know it's a difficult concept, and self-disciplne can be challenging, but how about remaining on topic? If you've not interested in the topic, or think we've exhausted the topic of "The Man behind Amado Crowley", then participation in the thread is not mandatory.
@michael-staley I acknowledged that we (hadigagegenium. & I) were off topic. How about you mind your own business?
Your are correct.
Now back to topic...a child of the Aeon, 'the man behind Amado Crowley', who made certain identifications with Crowley to which might just be 'all to human' or something else...I am not familiar with his work though I have some book on tarot that did not attract my attention to read...
Also not shocking, the salute and the Reichsadler are two of the most obvious indicators,
Also preceded by The holy "Roman" Empire, that was mainly German, and ehich has nothing to do with Amado, but continues the obsession.
I am not interested in changing any of my habits.
Then you are fucked-up beyond repair.. I mean that directly, not disrespectfully, for [you see] you have just cited the core principle of The Black Lodge, which is "crystallization" by terminology and "stuck in a rut" in street lingo.
Is it possible that Amado, or Aleister, or Lam sent you here to be the living example of what not to do in order to get liberated?
Don't worry...some that are having problems with your self confessed obsession with the occult and Nazism actually support the fascist West's favorite NaZi warmongers and the genocide of ethnic Russians taking us to the edge of thermonuclear war and certain economic collapse of the west...
Engineered destruction of everything by those who have inherited wealth in their pockets ... to be replaced by Chinese-style digital bucks and neuro-modulated happiness.
However, certain abstainers who resort to gold-backed money (what a dirty trick) see things differently, and so there are fisticuffs.
AC (not Amado, but Aleister) predicted the collapse of civilization (in two places, maybe three?). He didn't say when, but he indicated "500 years of dark ages." Great.
I sense the opening of a new thread ...
The fact is, I agree with you!
Oh, good. Now we can lift the trolley back onto the rails.
How about you mind your own business?
Exclusive commerce? Mr Staley replied to HG, not you, and look how kranky you have become.
Notice to all Readers: Possible Train Wreck ahead. Don't fasten your belts - just jump off now and take your chances.
I dislike the degeneration into Facebook mode that you and others like you bring to this website.
They son't know any better. They grew up inside Facebook and Tweets, and cannot ("can not") shift into esoteric mode because they haven't done the Work, don't know what it is, and how can they be expected to upgrade when the next step is a mystery?
Part of the problem lies in the fact that LAShTAL is out here in open public cyberspace, and there is no Examination in basic competency required at the Registration Desk, when it is open.
This is in accordance with "Refuse none, but you shall know and destroy the traitors." Heavy lingo. "Refuse none" is simple - anybody can get in (when the desk is open). The Moderator is the only one who gets the destroy function. The rest of us have to apply the principles of Ch 3
What a refreshing point of view.
The thread continues along the off-lines of Toad Stool We and his opinionated persona, which seems to be engaging in randori this fine day to die. (Randori is defending random attacks from multiple assailants).
The Train Wreck approacheth
child of the Aeon, 'the man behind Amado Crowley', who made certain identifications with Crowley to which might just be 'all to human' or something else...I am not familiar with his work though I have some book on tarot that did not attract my attention to read...
I met him a couple of times, exchanged several letters, and studied much of his earlier output (e.g. Liber Lucis). I thought him an interesting man in his own right, and at the time (the early 1970s) his work was useful to me. When he cllaimed, however, not just to be Crowley's son and heir, but the Messiah for the New Aeon, whom Crowley – like John the Baptist – had come to prepare his advent, that seemed a bridge too far. Later, I was planning to go to Israel to live on a kibbutz. He advised me not to go, but to join him with others in a community. I went ahead with my plans, and left for Israel in early 1974. Writing to him from the kibbutz several months later, he responded by telling me that since I had ignored his advice, there was nothing more to be said. He was right, of course.
Whether or not he was one of Crowley's no-doubt-myriad children, I think it's irrelevant. At our first meeting, he turned his head to profile, and asked me if he looked like "my father". I didn't think he did, and said so. It didn't seem to bother him; he clearly wasn't offended.
Then you are fucked-up beyond repair.. I mean that directly, not disrespectfully, for [you see] you have just cited the core principle of The Black Lodge, which is "crystallization" by terminology and "stuck in a rut" in street lingo.
Does not do the Work, has no interest in doing the Work. Contrast with: Resident Black Soror/Selfie Stick Poseur does do the Work.
Is it possible that Amado, or Aleister, or Lam sent you here to be the living example of what not to do in order to get liberated?
how can they be expected to upgrade when the next step is a mystery?
and yet the means can easily be found online
Whether or not he was one of Crowley's no-doubt-myriad children, I think it's irrelevant.
There are holes in his story, but I wonder if he actually did believe that claim. That said, I'm very skeptical of other claims like how he said he watched Crowley literally walk across the air.
Meanwhile: I'm going to resume my search for contact information for Jason Brett Serle.
ETA: I seem to have found it. Now let's hope that I can get a response!
Does not do the Work, has no interest in doing the Work. Contrast with: Resident Black Soror/Selfie Stick Poseur does do the Work.
I am utterly confused. Am I supposed to respond to this? Doing the Work is a drag. I'll just wait for my next incarnation. Right now, I am taking my Magickal retirement.
Sticking to the OT is a drag. [....] Right now, I am running my mouth while drunk.
Fixed that for you.
OT = "Original Topic"/"On Topic"; can also be "Off Topic", but then there would be no "the" in front.
Sticking to the OT is a drag. [....] Right now, I am running my mouth while drunk.
I couldn't agree more. Take another sip.
As a side info combining two threads, let it be known that AI (ChatGPT) has never heard of Amado Crowley or the "Book of Desolation".
Doing the Work is a drag. I'll just wait for my next incarnation. Right now, I am taking my Magickal retirement.
Technically, the Magical Retirement = an exclusive focus on "doing the Work."
Regarding such Work, it is also called The Path and at a certain point, you no longer understand or engage with it as something you DO but something ARE...
It is quite the opposite of a "drag" for
"Faster and faster dost thou fall; thy weariness is changed into ineffable rest.
For there is no Thou upon That Path: Thou hast become The Way."
@the_real_simon_iff I found out the same thing. When I entered the name Armano Crowley it said I was confusing it with Aleister Cowley. AI Chat GPT is only as good as whoever programs it. Also, I disliked it's PC bent. It kept trying to tell me what is right and wrong, and I should respect equity and other people and all that other garbage.
@the_real_simon_iff I found out the same thing. When I entered the name Armano Crowley it said I was confusing it with Aleister Cowley. AI Chat GPT is only as good as whoever programs it. Also, I disliked it's PC bent. It kept trying to tell me what is right and wrong, and I should respect equity and other people and all that other garbage.
The AI training obviously did not include ALL websites, because a little more info could have been expected from that tool. I am using it quite a bit for the last weeks, mostly to not be one of those frightened of it. It never tried to tell me what is right or wrong but I am sure you have your ways of getting out of it what you want to confirm you bias. It IS very good at that. I am also not surprised that you think respect for equity and other people is garbage. Be assured I won't ring your door bell. GIGO, as they say. By the way, you should learn how AI works, it is definetely NOT programmed by anyone.
@the_real_simon_iff Amado, Armado. What difference does it make, it didn't know. Big waste of time in my book. As far as my opinion of equity and human equality being essentially garbage, I don't like being preached to, even by AI.
As far as my opinion of equity and human equality being essentially garbage,
And on the note I'm not giving you any more outrage for you to jerk it to. You've probably used up an entire bottle of lotion just on this thread already.
@katrice You have some serious psycho-sexual issues my friend. I see doing the work has done very little for you.
the means can easily be found online
Yeah. And the means has already been offered here, within several threads. Of course, the free advice was not offered under stern terms demanding proper response or no further info, such as Amado doled out to Michael.
However, in this case, most cases being similar but with different colors and words, the querent has emphatically stated in digital public typescript that there is no interest in changing anything, which is termed crystallization by the metaphysicians - it is portrayed by Lot's wife in the epic movie, Sudden and Tomorrow.
Doing the Work is a drag. I'll just wait for my next incarnation. Right now, I am taking my Magickal retirement.
Yet you come here and give opinions
about things you read in books
that are other people's visions
and they were probably crooks
Now you display the primary emblem
of those in The Dreaded Black Lodge
Not much left to address your problem
except for advice to get out of Dodge
... while you are still semi-intact
It kept trying to tell me what is right and wrong, and I should respect equity and other people and all that other garbage.
Good. You now have direct experience in interfacing with The Borg. You are lucky to have escaped.
I am using it quite a bit for the last weeks, mostly to not be one of those frightened of it.
Your courage is truly Ch 3 material. The term "weeks" is concerning. It didn't get to insert a nano-probe(TM) anywhere into you ?
I don't like being preached to, even by AI.
Flashing Red Lights on the RR Track.
I'm not giving you any more outrage ...
I was premodulating along similar lines, but I was considering the time I've lost while writing 9D, and the length od this psychosode (that's like an era or an aeon, or maybe an epoch.
It should be noted that Mr Stoolwe has sort of confessed to nipping while posting, but this may not be true. But it may be true that the randori has driven him to drink. Who can tell?
Randori may also excite states that are normallt controlled by anti-psychotic medication, so ...
As your (anyone's) personal or virtual physician, it is my professional opinion that said Stool should be removed from the rack before irreparable circumstances, such as spontaneous combustion, materialize.
Personally, I shall refrain from further interaction with said Toad for 3 days, or more, in order to let the reactor core cool down.
Continuing under impress from The Guidelines, I now revert to saying that the Amado thread is dead where Amado is concerned, although Michael's recent brief bio was revealing, but his spirit continues to eternally recharge the thread with the strangest of concepts and exhibitions.