I now revert to saying that the Amado thread is dead where Amado is concerned, although Michael's recent brief bio was revealing,
Amado displayed a basic grasp of the techniques of Western Ceremonial magick, and of some old school "cunning craft" style witchcraft. But he also claimed to have the Book of Desolation, which he said was Crowley's real teaching, stating that Thelema was a smokescreen. This seems absurd given how much material Crowley created for Thelema and how much time he spent promulgating it. It would have been an unrealistically large and complex smokescreen.
While I am skeptical of the Book of Desolation's origins, if someone else has had contact with it, that implies that such a thing may exist in some manner, even if it was probably something Amado created himself.
But Amado seems to have had his own vision for the Aeon, with the Book of Desolation possibly playing a key element. People here have probably noticed that one of my (multiple) vices is curiosity. I want to know more about this.
@kidneyhawk I really enjoyed your limerick,
It was as clever as clever can be,
But for all her Work,
Katrice is the biggest jerk I see!
It should be noted that Mr Stoolwe has sort of confessed to nipping while posting, but this may not be true. But it may be true that the randori has driven him to drink. Who can tell?
Wrong again! I was responding to Iggy666 who wrote that he was drunk and I , being his old friend, encouraged him to "take another sip" for old times' sake. Personally, I don't drink alcohol, period.
So, at once it must appear that
I take your barbs and floggings with
good cheer.
I don't drink alcohol, period.
We will have to take you at your word, but i could swear that you recently said you often post when drunk. Which was what i was referring to in putting those words n your mouth.
Also, you do not know what a limerick is. A limerick has two initial rhyming lines, then two lines that rhyme with each other but not with the initial rhyme, and then a final line rhyming with the first two lines. Like this:
There once was a man named Stool
Who liked to act the fool
When reprimanded
He often demanded
"Won't someone wipe up my drool?"
We will have to take you at your word, but i could swear that you recently said you often post when drunk. Which was what i was referring to in putting those words n your mouth.
No. I have never said I was drunk when I post. (if you find the original post, which you won't, let me know). I don't drink, and haven't for 30years. You are projecting again.
There once was a man named Iggy,
Whose breath was rather stinky.
He loved to post,
That he was the most,
When actually he is just a big rat-finky!
you recently said you often post when drunk.
I remember somebody making that claim ... and Stoolwe pretended to "take another sip," but I don't think it was he who confessed to drive-by online drinking.
@shiva Thank you for straightening that out. Now, can we get back to this nail-biter of a topic?
No. I have never said I was drunk when I post. (if you find the original post, which you won't, let me know). I don't drink, and haven't for 30years. You are projecting again.
Maybe @ignant666 meant this post here from the "Great Pyramid reveals more secrets" thread, you can get to it by clicking the little arrow on the upper right of the quote:
@shiva I admit it, I'm a mean drunk. Tis my Irish heritage me lad! Have a great St. Patrick's Day, the saint who chased the snake-worshippers away from the Emerald Isle.
By the way, nobody is forced to tell the truth here, but of course one will be judged by what one writes.
Maybe @ignant666 meant this post here ... [pyramid scheme]
Yessir, I remember that one. But he only confesses to being a "mean drunk," which is unfortunate as it reveals the lurker underneath, but not that he is drunk while here-now posting.
By the way, nobody is forced to tell the truth here, but of course one will be judged by what one writes.
I believe in Daddy, his kid The Demiurge, and the holistic Ghosts, and The Guidelines, ehich state ...
"Submissions must not contain false or misleading information."
Thus, detection of falsehoods can lead to the application of force. One's account can ultimately be shredded.
@the_real_simon_iff I was reminiscing on my drunkard days. We old, dried-out drunks sometimes have wistful memories of our drinking days. Of course, I don't remember vomiting on my parent's rug, pissing my pants at October Fest in Munich, you know, the good times. I finally had enough and had my doctor put me on antabuse. He warned me that taking a drink while using it would make me "deathly ill" I did not test the theory. I have been alcohol-free ever since.
@toadstoolwe Good for you. Congratulations. Let's say the present tense form "I AM a mean drunk" probably was misleading and then get back to the thread.
@the_real_simon_iff I will always have the potential to be a mean drunk. So far, I'm fine, I walk the line. Now, on with the thread!
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the general composite biography, especially revealing when reported by Mr Staley and the Christian lady, who had direct experience with Amado, depicts a picture of the usual megalomaniac who wanted to control other people.
depicts a picture of the usual megalomaniac
Whilst not having a problem with "megalomaniac", I'm not so sure about "usual". Seeing oneself as the Messiah of the New Aeon, for whom Crowley was a John the Baptist figure come to prepare the way, is not really your bog-standard, run-of-the-mill megalomaniac.
Isn't thinking that one is some sort of grandiose, very important figure, like a prophet, or a messiah, or a world-conqueror, pretty much the essence of megalomania?
Or are you defining a "run-of-the-mill megalomaniac" as one who imagines he is, eg, a school superintendent, or a bus driver, and not anything as grand as a messiah?
Isn't thinking that one is some sort of grandiose, very important figure, like a prophet, or a messiah, or a world-conqueror, pretty much the essence of megalomania?
My favoutite on-line dictionary defines mogalomania as "A psychopathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence."
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-meaning-of-the-word/megalomania.html
Across the decades I've met a few people who seemed the proverbial megalomaniac, but none appeared to consider themselves messiahs. Perhaps I should get out more.
I am glad to hear of your recollection and that you decided to go on Kibbutz, which I am sure was the right decision for you with perhaps interesting effects in your life, besides gaining distance from "the man behind Amado Crowley" who I guess became literally a man left behind...and who went on to adopt a tale...
When I spoke of Crowley's children, I thought of the magical children, by our own proclivities and by nature of the Aeon, and not actual offspring or imagined lineages...though the stories do have a certain life of their own in a tabloidal manner...
Isn't thinking that one is some sort of grandiose, very important figure, like a prophet, or a messiah, or a world-conqueror, pretty much the essence of megalomania?
This is (usually) correct. Mega means "great (The Great Wild Beast). Ever since my fiest into to psychology (1958), with visitation to the actual asylum, it has been a joke, a defamation, and and actual medical condition wherein patients or prank-victims think they are Napoleon, Jesus, or Aleister Crowley.
Yes, Amado fits this generalization. When anybody goes over the edge in any direction, I refer to it as "usual."
The specific Messiahship with reference to daddy as J the Baptizer is, of course, unique to Thelema.
Here are two further injections od data for consumption ...
1. Presenting one's self as the Mess is common among folks who report UFO/transdimensional "abduction." It has been suggested that a meme to this effect has been implanted.
2. AC himself said that HPB was his J the Baptist ... so it's good to know that there's always somebody ahead of you, clearing your way.
Across the decades I've met a few people who seemed the proverbial megalomaniac, but none appeared to consider themselves messiahs.
Yeah. Me too. But I met a Messiah. One eho said he came in through a UFO. Please meet Pierre Levesque - Mr white.
Jung gave an extensive example (case history) of an Amazonian peasant who caught the UFO contact, then announced the Messiahship. The funny thing was, he then conducted hands-on healings where Biblical miracles were strung out in a line.
So, yeah, there are people who think they are important, but (from my view) they are just rectum portals. The "real" <haha> megalomaniacs are Napoleonic, Messianic, or Crowleyanic.
Perhaps I should get out more.
Everybody should get out as much as they can (stand).
Excessive outage is hard on the body - unless one grows into it, and even then it's not easy.
So, yeah, there are people who think they are important, but (from my view) they are just rectum portals. The "real" <haha> megalomaniacs are Napoleonic, Messianic, or Crowleyanic.
You are using the wrong term. It is MESSIANC COMPLEX, Not MEGLOMANIA and you forgot to mention Hitler. Napolean was not a megalomaniac. He was not delusional; he really did conquer most of the western world, not unlike Alexander the Great.
That would be fantastic ... and surprising.
With a little help, we got a response. Asked what he'd be comfortable with being shared here. I'll share what I can when he responds.