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Brief intro:

I would like to initiate a thread dedicated to Crowley's usage of "puzzles", ciphers, hints of ciphers, within the context of theater, poetry, prose, etc, specifically in Liber al Vel Legis as a specific paralanguage of the text.

I am putting this thread in the "Qabalah" section of Lashtal, because I just found it yesterday 🙂

Specifically, the threads by this member @Duck, and the thrill of seeing that he (she?) and I came to the same conclusions on the cipher, in two different ways 🙂

What Duck and I have in common is we are tossing aside the classic "gematria" approach, to the approach of using the paralanguage of the text at face value, and just try stuff that is mathematical, or at least within reason to the book, and approach it just like a fun exercise.

Now since Chp 1 paralanguage of Nuit's voice which is mathematical, precise, clear, unambiguous, rational, honest and transparent, and she uses this process to help us arrive at "Sunyata", pure emptiness and non-duality as both an actual state of experience as well as a definitive teaching, Hadit is going to teach us how to discover this in an entirely different manner.

Nuit also gave us a paralogical form, 0, 1, and 2, to understand Liber al Vel Legis, and Chp 2 is exactly where we can begin to test that.

At this stage, it is a good idea to have some sort of proper concept of "Sunyata" for this to make any sense.

The Paralanguage of Chapter 2

While Nuit commands our reverence, Hadit is a "tough love" challenge, more like a big brother, for his voice is the voice of Art to Nuit's Science, the "fiction" to her "fact", the "personal" to her "all". Where Nuit is "rational", Hadit is going to dazzle us with "irrational".

While Nuit's voice applies mathematical themes, Hadit's voice employs narrative themes.

These narrative themes are puzzle and theater, fighting and death.

Hadit is the voice of "concealing" that which Nuit is "revealing", and challenging our understanding so we can preserve the "mystery".

The paralanguage of Chp 2 is the "symbolic" voice (2).

This is the opposite of Nuit's voice, who speaks in the "actual" (1,1)

What we find is not just Hadit teaching us a new symbolic way to arrive at Sunyata, but we find a naturally occurring "dialectic" happening, two viewpoints that are opposites, but opposites in a state of complimentary union, without tension.

So I am only going to show this paralanguage revelation, a new understanding of this "nothingness", "Sunyata" with the most glaring of puzzles in Liber al Vel Legis, the "cipher".

 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word.

"Mystery"

That's it. That is the cipher key for Chp 2.

It is mystery what that text means.

We do not know.

We will not ever know.

There is no "answer" there, there is only mystery.

The text is empty of all meaning (0), just like the self is empty of any actual self.

Everything all of us has ever hoped it to mean is all just our projection onto what the "mystery" is.

The Mystery has no meaning. It has no possible concept. It has no union. It has no division. It has no self. It has no god. It has nothing. Mystery is the pure state of non-duality in the face of true and false.

I could swap the word "mystery" with the word "Sunyata" to discover why it is the "glad word" of the text, but this chp is written in Hadit's voice, not Nuit's, and Hadit tells us how to arrive at this differently.

The Great Mystery of the Western school is the Sunyata of the Eastern School, this is the teaching of Chp 2.

I could also swap "sunyata" with the secret key word of the entire book (Sht, 31) as well when we understand that Sht = Sunyata, but we haven't arrive there yet 🙂

How do I arrive at it?

Differently than Duck. Ducks method of arrival is an incredible proof of the paralanguage of the text, independent from me. That's amazing!

I arrive at it following the paralanguage of the book as a piece of literature, and Hadit virtually gives the answer away for free in the fourth line of his chapter.

And in the paralogic of the text, the ternary logic is 0 = Mystery.

Duck's words were "LA", "OM", and 0/Mystery.

LA is "not", or what the conceptual mind throws up in the face of mystery. "Not" is the "art" of not being, the art of mystery.

"OM" (also "aum", which the text ends with) is "the totality of existence", or Sunyata by another manner.

There is a natural di-dactic and dialectical conversation between "Not" and "Mystery", 0 and 2, happening within Chp 2, over and over and over.

This "Not" is the equivalent of the paralogical "false", and the nature of "false" conceptually, the "tantric" view of false as another profound truth, instead of something to be avoided or feared in the T vs F dualistic reality.

Yet she shall be known & I never.

Hadit gives away his key of "mystery" right away in line 4, which I view as an act of compassion, because right after he gives it away so freely, he is going to take it back and challenge the be-jesus out of us.

Hadit, as the self, is the eternal "mystery", another paradox, semantically identical to "Sunyata".

Now can we keep our mental state "in the mystery" while we read Chp 2, and then observe what our minds do, especially our conceptual minds, do with each further riddle?

Can we keep the "mystery" throughout the text, without falling into the pit of "because"?

Hadit introduces two major themes into the text in this chapter.

The first theme is a didactic one, a conversation between "self and other", introducing concepts of "others" and challenging us to define ourselves, perhaps even dangerous so watch out!

The second theme Hadit introduces is "battle" and fighting.

What is this fight?

How does "pure nothingness", Mystery, and the conceptual mind creating images of the Great Mystery (Not), have to do with fighting?

Hadit is the "dojo" for the "battle" coming in Chp3 🙂

And now we have three psychological states to play with in this great battle.

0= Mystery, the Union of True and False, Art and Science, Actual and Symbolic, finite and infinite, War and Love, The Whole System. Non-Duality

1 = Actual, truth, math, science, rational, one half of the formula, the "voice" of Nuit

2 = Symbolic, falsity, poetry, art, irrational, one half of the formula, the "voice" of Hadit

To understand the battle Hadit teaches the mind how to integrate Mystery from True and False, another way to use Nuit's tool (0, 1, and 2) but in a way that can produce both narrative themes as well as didactic confrontation into a synthesis.

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Congratulations!

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This is copied from the "Crowley and Maths" thread to its appropriate place here.

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Yes in Chapter 2 we see that the subjugation of reason is encouraged (perhaps) but a capacity for reason and maths are demonstrated directly here particularly in lines 3 and 7;

3. In the sphere I am everywhere the centre, as she, the circumference, is nowhere found.

7. I am the Magician and the Exorcist. I am the axle of the wheel, and the cube in the circle. "Come unto me" is a foolish word: for it is I that go.

The "voice" of Hadit in Chp 2 is not the same as the content of his speech.

However, those lines do not contradict this either.

I wonder why you did not include the rest of the line?

"In the sphere I am everywhere the centre, as she, the circumference, is nowhere found.

While she shall be known, and I never."

So this is not math or reason he is giving us. He is giving us impossible objects. A circumference that is nowhere to be found is not "measurable" at all, maths simply cannot apply to that, it is a paradox.

And at the top of the chapter, he is like a circus barker

Also reason is a lie; for there is a factor infinite & unknown; & all their words are skew-wise.

There is nothing any rational mind can say in the face of mystery other than to acknowledge the unknown.

He is speaking to the rational mind (Nuit's voice in Chp 1) in this regard.

75. Aye! listen to the numbers & the words:

Exactly, do those numbers and words make any sense? No.

Even "listening" to words, very slippery, because once the words are spoken, they no longer exist except in the memory of the mind, even more treacherous.

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson

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It's all about the Uncertainty principle, baby. Language after all is ambiguous by nature. This allows for the free agency of will to choose truly, whether the grave or graal.

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@david-dom-lemieux

75. Aye! listen to the numbers & the words:

Exactly, do those numbers and words make any sense? No.

Even "listening" to words, very slippery, because once the words are spoken, they no longer exist except in the memory of the mind, even more treacherous.

Well it says listen to THE numbers and words. That could mean any set of numbers or words in existence. One must learn to see beyond the reeds of language and old forms. I developed some tracts which do this extensively. I suppose it is mystery language. There's plenty of potential hidden in such.

Too much attempting to lock in and control the reigns of the chariot by dictating particular avenues is what Crowley was breaking up. Most are still locked in patterns of behavior and interpretation, makin' them little more than automatons deluded in their freedom. Good Bacon, tho.

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Posted by: @terroir

It's all about the Uncertainty principle, baby. Language after all is ambiguous by nature. This allows for the free agency of will to choose truly, whether the grave or graal.

Yes somewhere it is said.... that the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life!

Oh yes a long time ago... the New Testament

"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." 2 Corinthians 3:6

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Posted by: @terroir

It's all about the Uncertainty principle, baby. Language after all is ambiguous by nature. This allows for the free agency of will to choose truly, whether the grave or graal.

Yes somewhere it is said.... that the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life!

Oh yes a long time ago... the New Testament

"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." 2 Corinthians 3:6

How the Black Brothers of the Outer Order do assist, Teehee!

We do like Our bacon ja'Crispy. (And Free, Francis.)

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Cipernaughty from prison eh!

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Cipernaughty from prison eh!

I don't know what that means. Naught-y cipher? 'Prison' always makes me think of the Protocols of Zion (przion), Hehe.

Let's keep it Biblical and go with Capernaum? ;P A real caper, Nom!

But I'll call it 'The Heaven of Baste'. She has some Teeth.

A Real Paralyzer, that One, with her Finger 11. He he he.

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Bacon tastes good but fishing for pigs...literalism is the mark of black brothers...

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Bacon tastes good but fishing for pigs...literalism is the mark of black brothers...

Hidden = 232, Strong's number for fish.

Fish are smelly, like me.

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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Brief intro:

I would like to initiate a thread dedicated to Crowley's usage of "puzzles", ciphers, hints of ciphers, within the context of theater, poetry, prose, etc, specifically in Liber al Vel Legis as a specific paralanguage of the text.

I am putting this thread in the "Qabalah" section of Lashtal, because I just found it yesterday 🙂

Specifically, the threads by this member @Duck, and the thrill of seeing that he (she?) and I came to the same conclusions on the cipher, in two different ways 🙂

What Duck and I have in common is we are tossing aside the classic "gematria" approach, to the approach of using the paralanguage of the text at face value, and just try stuff that is mathematical, or at least within reason to the book, and approach it just like a fun exercise.

Now since Chp 1 paralanguage of Nuit's voice which is mathematical, precise, clear, unambiguous, rational, honest and transparent, and she uses this process to help us arrive at "Sunyata", pure emptiness and non-duality as both an actual state of experience as well as a definitive teaching, Hadit is going to teach us how to discover this in an entirely different manner.

Nuit also gave us a paralogical form, 0, 1, and 2, to understand Liber al Vel Legis, and Chp 2 is exactly where we can begin to test that.

At this stage, it is a good idea to have some sort of proper concept of "Sunyata" for this to make any sense.

The Paralanguage of Chapter 2

While Nuit commands our reverence, Hadit is a "tough love" challenge, more like a big brother, for his voice is the voice of Art to Nuit's Science, the "fiction" to her "fact", the "personal" to her "all". Where Nuit is "rational", Hadit is going to dazzle us with "irrational".

While Nuit's voice applies mathematical themes, Hadit's voice employs narrative themes.

These narrative themes are puzzle and theater, fighting and death.

Hadit is the voice of "concealing" that which Nuit is "revealing", and challenging our understanding so we can preserve the "mystery".

The paralanguage of Chp 2 is the "symbolic" voice (2).

This is the opposite of Nuit's voice, who speaks in the "actual" (1,1)

What we find is not just Hadit teaching us a new symbolic way to arrive at Sunyata, but we find a naturally occurring "dialectic" happening, two viewpoints that are opposites, but opposites in a state of complimentary union, without tension.

So I am only going to show this paralanguage revelation, a new understanding of this "nothingness", "Sunyata" with the most glaring of puzzles in Liber al Vel Legis, the "cipher".

 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word.

"Mystery"

That's it. That is the cipher key for Chp 2.

It is mystery what that text means.

We do not know.

We will not ever know.

There is no "answer" there, there is only mystery.

The text is empty of all meaning (0), just like the self is empty of any actual self.

Everything all of us has ever hoped it to mean is all just our projection onto what the "mystery" is.

The Mystery has no meaning. It has no possible concept. It has no union. It has no division. It has no self. It has no god. It has nothing. Mystery is the pure state of non-duality in the face of true and false.

I could swap the word "mystery" with the word "Sunyata" to discover why it is the "glad word" of the text, but this chp is written in Hadit's voice, not Nuit's, and Hadit tells us how to arrive at this differently.

The Great Mystery of the Western school is the Sunyata of the Eastern School, this is the teaching of Chp 2.

I could also swap "sunyata" with the secret key word of the entire book (Sht, 31) as well when we understand that Sht = Sunyata, but we haven't arrive there yet 🙂

How do I arrive at it?

Differently than Duck. Ducks method of arrival is an incredible proof of the paralanguage of the text, independent from me. That's amazing!

I arrive at it following the paralanguage of the book as a piece of literature, and Hadit virtually gives the answer away for free in the fourth line of his chapter.

And in the paralogic of the text, the ternary logic is 0 = Mystery.

Duck's words were "LA", "OM", and 0/Mystery.

LA is "not", or what the conceptual mind throws up in the face of mystery. "Not" is the "art" of not being, the art of mystery.

"OM" (also "aum", which the text ends with) is "the totality of existence", or Sunyata by another manner.

There is a natural di-dactic and dialectical conversation between "Not" and "Mystery", 0 and 2, happening within Chp 2, over and over and over.

This "Not" is the equivalent of the paralogical "false", and the nature of "false" conceptually, the "tantric" view of false as another profound truth, instead of something to be avoided or feared in the T vs F dualistic reality.

Yet she shall be known & I never.

Hadit gives away his key of "mystery" right away in line 4, which I view as an act of compassion, because right after he gives it away so freely, he is going to take it back and challenge the be-jesus out of us.

Hadit, as the self, is the eternal "mystery", another paradox, semantically identical to "Sunyata".

Now can we keep our mental state "in the mystery" while we read Chp 2, and then observe what our minds do, especially our conceptual minds, do with each further riddle?

Can we keep the "mystery" throughout the text, without falling into the pit of "because"?

Hadit introduces two major themes into the text in this chapter.

The first theme is a didactic one, a conversation between "self and other", introducing concepts of "others" and challenging us to define ourselves, perhaps even dangerous so watch out!

The second theme Hadit introduces is "battle" and fighting.

What is this fight?

How does "pure nothingness", Mystery, and the conceptual mind creating images of the Great Mystery (Not), have to do with fighting?

Hadit is the "dojo" for the "battle" coming in Chp3 🙂

And now we have three psychological states to play with in this great battle.

0= Mystery, the Union of True and False, Art and Science, Actual and Symbolic, finite and infinite, War and Love, The Whole System. Non-Duality

1 = Actual, truth, math, science, rational, one half of the formula, the "voice" of Nuit

2 = Symbolic, falsity, poetry, art, irrational, one half of the formula, the "voice" of Hadit

To understand the battle Hadit teaches the mind how to integrate Mystery from True and False, another way to use Nuit's tool (0, 1, and 2) but in a way that can produce both narrative themes as well as didactic confrontation into a synthesis.

It's not true that the cipher is mere mystery. It is solvable. Also, Sunyata encodes "threatening", implying the hiddenness of the b-locking of the profane.

The Greek word 'lego', followed by a Sigma and some other Characters, is encoded in the original writing of the document, revealing the higher dimensional layers of the tract, and all tracts.

FTWETS

Reality is Layered. Not one dimensional, but BOTH infinitely dimensional AND holographic. Thus, the Gates.

Some try to project all down to a flat earth. What are they to Me but chum? 🦈

(Will, after all, be Sin•g•ular. KhamaRa.)

(Things always resolve, after a time, resolutely. And then, the Expansion.)

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Indeed, my Beast of the hel Star. I couldn't edit, and I had much to vomit fourth. Thank you.

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Well thanks..

"Liber LA Cypher ResultX: Jeremy JamesφHammers Son o MM. LA {AsheR} bhst Ϛ x J λεγοΣϠΓΥ~(ABys) ElV | 59+1 sorry oyea cursive.......d -R31through the gatesGKwrk --switchup the x multAEeK

++Appleof my eyes oneTYnC

\$\$Considerit X Pounded.dL"

And i must say that the consensus around here is that expounders seem find embedded given names within what i am assuming concerns II. v. 76, and looks more complicated than the original. Perhaps this has something to do with the "Dissolution" upon us as expounded by another fellow living in Michigan...whose solution does have symmetry...

Anyways I do honor your saying, in another page on your site entitled: "3 To A Universe So Unloving"

"I will not decode, as it is still to remain veiled to the uninitiated. It would be irresponsible to take such an initiative without appropriate delegation."

Which is an appropriate caveat, for if you gave away the answer, why then there would be no mystery left, so is that why the universe appears unloving...perhaps a listen to the Beatles song The End might be of help in providing a certain equation

Take Care!

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Well thanks..

"Liber LA Cypher ResultX: Jeremy JamesφHammers Son o MM. LA {AsheR} bhst Ϛ x J λεγοΣϠΓΥ~(ABys) ElV | 59+1 sorry oyea cursive.......d -R31through the gatesGKwrk --switchup the x multAEeK

++Appleof my eyes oneTYnC

\$\$Considerit X Pounded.dL"

And i must say that the consensus around here is that expounders seem find embedded given names within what i am assuming concerns II. v. 76, and looks more complicated than the original. Perhaps this has something to do with the "Dissolution" upon us as expounded by another fellow living in Michigan...whose solution does have symmetry...

Anyways I do honor your saying, in another page on your site entitled: "3 To A Universe So Unloving"

"I will not decode, as it is still to remain veiled to the uninitiated. It would be irresponsible to take such an initiative without appropriate delegation."

Which is an appropriate caveat, for if you gave away the answer, why then there would be no mystery left, so is that why the universe appears unloving...perhaps a listen to the Beatles song The End might be of help in providing a certain equation

Take Care!

You too. I only added my name for 'copyright' purposes hehe, although there is some similarity. As everyone is always tryin' to steal Me LCs ;). The main key is the isolated text region/area displayed partially in the Image, and the legoS... letters. Some of the other displayed keys show some of the work there as well. Hints, and sights. So I'd advise one to verify the epsilon, etc., the Greek letters there, revealing that Higher dimensional forces are in control of All.

I left plenty of room for the Next to pursue those keys. I have no interest in partaking of that work, as that is not necessary for me. I just provided ge (sic: the) foundations for whoever has the gonads to come and make the new age (and ACTUALLY communicate with higher dimensions) since Everyone is currently profane and blinded on the bench.

English, of course, needs to be taught by Angels.

I'm not sure what I'll do with my English Gematria, since it's far too precious to share with the iniquitous. But the Order was Given, and Fulfilled.

It's surprising to me that no one understands the green language anywhere, but only the worthy find anything of real worth. If you're not communicating directly with the Universe, not just in your own head, you've yet to abre los ojos ;P.

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