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snowonvenus
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22/11/2020 12:10 am  

93 fellow witchers,

as this is my first post on here I first wanted to thank you deeply for your stimulating discussions. Just discovered this site yesterday night and it's the first forum after years of abstinence (besides social media) where I decided to create an account. I just read a few threads but enjoyed all of them. A big thanks to Shiva, Ignant666 and elitemachinery in particular. Especially Shiva, man, I'm really impressed by your writing, spirit and vision. I quickly checked out your website at angelfire earlier, it's a bit dated for sure but I recognize the value.

 

Okay, enough boot licking but believe me it was an honest compliment. 

My current question would be as follows: You are surely aware of the connection between Eliphas Levi and Aleister Crowley. So some days ago I wanted to check their Gematria as Aleister and Eliphas in all likelihood considered it when picking their stage names. The problem I encountered was the Hebrew translation of their names. Couldn't really find it on the www. and I'm afraid I don't know what to do with the vowels in Hebrew. When to use them in a name and when not to. For example would the "ei" in "Aleister" be one "vav" a "double Vav" or something completly different? Also would the "t" be a Theth or a Tau/Tav? Same problems with the vowels in Eliphas Levi. Also "s" could be Samekh or Tzaddi.

I just assumed Hebrew Gematria would be most important to them. I coudn't really find any matches between these two names in English Gematria, I havn't tried Greek so. As many words in Thelema are Grecian origin it might be an option. Nevertheless Greek offers the same problem to me as there are several options for letters like "e".

 

Love is the Law

Greetings from Germany,

Stephan


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22/11/2020 12:39 am  

Welcome, and thank you for your kind words as to me.

I am no gematria expert.

Levi invented "Eliphas" as a pseudo-Hebrew version of "Alphonse", and surely must have come up with a Hebrew spelling, very likely with gematria in mind, but constrained with sounding vaguely like "Alphonse", in doing so.

AC came up with "Aleister" as a non-standard spelling of the Gaelic version of "Alexander", his middle name. My guess is that he picked the non-standard spelling simply to be unusual, and "poetic", and i believe did so before he knew much about gematria. Lots of vowels there, so much room for mischief.


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snowonvenus
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22/11/2020 2:04 am  

@ignant666

 

You're very welcome!

I'm really blessed that I found you guys and hope I can contribute some things here and there. 

That's what I heard about Levi and Crowley at some point as well. Nevertheless I was curious if there might be some spooky synchronicities in the gematria intentionally or not. I mean, is there a correct way of translating "Aleister" into Hebrew or do you really have more than one option with the vowels...that's the question I suppose. Maybe someone with more insight into gematria discovers this thread "by accident" 🙂

 

On a side note I always wondered how Crowley identified with Levi as he is so damn Catholic. I know he had to play some disguise for the church but Crowley's humour is definitely lacking in Levi's works as much as I honor him.

 

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22/11/2020 4:34 am  
Posted by: @snowonvenus

it's a bit dated

It was written a while ago (most of it). The updated stuff is only in the books and, of course, free-wheeled out here even before (some of it) goes to the books.

Posted by: @snowonvenus

I don't know what to do with the vowels in Hebrew.

All the Hebrew "vowels" are not really "vowels." The "vowels" in Hebrew are inflections - practically speaking. ALEISTER = 1+30+5=10+60+9+5+200.

ELIPHAS = 5+30+10+6(F)+1+60.

I didn't sum them up, that's you're job. You may wish to altar [sic] my numbers, but if you do, it's "QBL-fiddling," an art expressed by BafomethR, but hardly explained as a rule.

Posted by: @ignant666

I am no gematria expert.

Neither am I. QBL is a tool for Ordering the Mind. It can work well under some circumstances, but mostly it's a disordered attempt by the frail human mind to give "meaning," which it often does Not.

Posted by: @ignant666

"Alexander", his middle name. My guess is that he picked the non-standard spelling simply to be unusual

Heretic!  - Call the Religious Polis.

 


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snowonvenus
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22/11/2020 5:41 am  
Posted by: @shiva
Posted by: @snowonvenus

it's a bit dated

It was written a while ago (most of it). The updated stuff is only in the books and, of course, free-wheeled out here even before (some of it) goes to the books.

May I ask where I can see a summary of your books? I never saw such a concise description of the 7 rays as on your angelfire site.

Posted by: @snowonvenus

I don't know what to do with the vowels in Hebrew.

All the Hebrew "vowels" are not really "vowels." The "vowels" in Hebrew are inflections - practically speaking. ALEISTER = 1+30+5=10+60+9+5+200.

ELIPHAS = 5+30+10+6(F)+1+60.

I didn't sum them up, that's you're job. You may wish to altar [sic] my numbers, but if you do, it's "QBL-fiddling," an art expressed by BafomethR, but hardly explained as a rule.

Thanks, this gives some room for fiddling tomorrow!

I don't quite get what's meant by inflections as Aleph and Iod seem to be written in most cases.

So let's see, then CROWLEY = 20+200+6+2+30+5+10

and LEVI= 30+5+6+10 

according to your BafomethR system? 

 

Posted by: @ignant666

I am no gematria expert.

Neither am I. QBL is a tool for Ordering the Mind. It can work well under some circumstances, but mostly it's a disordered attempt by the frail human mind to give "meaning," which it often does Not.

I see what you are alluding to. All mere concepts to grab the unseizable. Hail UG. However when you start to play with gematria it seems to unfold a certain kind of harmonious mathematical magick.

 

 

Your helping hand is much appreciated


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Shiva
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22/11/2020 7:59 am  
Posted by: @snowonvenus

May I ask where I can see a summary of your books? I never saw such a concise description of the 7 rays as on your angelfire site.

A triad of summaries is available ...

https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=frater+shiva

https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=notarajah

and

https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=dr%20allen

 

The ultra-precise and concise reference to rays in book format is here ...

https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/frater-shiva/the-crystal-chip-directory/hardcover/product-1wrjm47y.html?page=1&pageSize=4

 

But it's full-color and rather expensive. The same info is provided, for free, here ...

https://vimeo.com/showcase/6170494/

The first video is a good starting point (0.0). There are still 3 videos to be prepared, but they might never get done. The 7th ray is an older version, and it's not up to snuff in the HQ dept, but I put it in because it's accurate enough.

 

The Rays are also available, for free, at the website ...

http://crystal-chip.angelfire.com/index.html

You must use Windows Explorer, if you want the sound. It's Microsoft Proprietary (c)(R)TM, so other browsers can't hear anything. If you get a stupid "Sign Up" Ad before any page, it is bullshit - just find the X and banish it. If you get any ads at all, anywhere, you're using the wrong browser. I will tell the secret if you need it.

 

The big video collection is found at ...

https://www.youtube.com/user/phaeton444/videos

 

Thank you so much for allowing me to stay up late, here, instead of completing The Hot Zones of ..., which will be my last mentally-fabricated book ... I think, and have been so instructed.  It is the ultimate supreme publication, even greater than The Master Codex, which was a magnum opus. Hot Zones "is so bizarre, yet so on target, that it may cause people to faint."

Hot Zones is already promised, for free, here on LAShTAL, in PDF format. The hard book will be great, and full-color expensive, but the reader will need a magnifying glass for details. Many of the pictures, especially in Appendix IV (now under completionary maneuvers,  are fantastic photos at 600px. This means the magnifying property of a PDF reader will outshine even the best that Lulu's printers can provide.

Anyway, I am saving a copy of this post. You know, for the next person who asks ...

I don't know of any witches here, but you're welcome to hang out if you can explain any difference between a witch and a magician. 


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Michael Staley
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22/11/2020 12:12 pm  
Posted by: @snowonvenus

The problem I encountered was the Hebrew translation of their names.

Sepher Sephiroth gives two Hebrew translierations for "Aleister Crowley" enumerating as 666. The first of them:

  • Aleph Lamed Hé Yod Samekh Teth Hé Resh Hé    Kaph Resh Ayin Vau Lamed Hé Yod

The second was supplied to Crowley by the British Egyptologist, Battiscombe Gunn:

  • Aleph Lamed Yod Samekh Teth Yod Resh     Qoph Resh Vau Lamed Yod

 


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snowonvenus
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22/11/2020 7:22 pm  
Posted by: @shiva
Posted by: @snowonvenus

May I ask where I can see a summary of your books? I never saw such a concise description of the 7 rays as on your angelfire site.

A triad of summaries is available ...

https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=frater+shiva

https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=notarajah

and

https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=dr%20allen

 

The ultra-precise and concise reference to rays in book format is here ...

https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/frater-shiva/the-crystal-chip-directory/hardcover/product-1wrjm47y.html?page=1&pageSize=4

 

But it's full-color and rather expensive. The same info is provided, for free, here ...

https://vimeo.com/showcase/6170494/

The first video is a good starting point (0.0). There are still 3 videos to be prepared, but they might never get done. The 7th ray is an older version, and it's not up to snuff in the HQ dept, but I put it in because it's accurate enough.

 

The Rays are also available, for free, at the website ...

http://crystal-chip.angelfire.com/index.html

You must use Windows Explorer, if you want the sound. It's Microsoft Proprietary (c)(R)TM, so other browsers can't hear anything. If you get a stupid "Sign Up" Ad before any page, it is bullshit - just find the X and banish it. If you get any ads at all, anywhere, you're using the wrong browser. I will tell the secret if you need it.

 

The big video collection is found at ...

https://www.youtube.com/user/phaeton444/videos

 

Thank you so much for allowing me to stay up late, here, instead of completing The Hot Zones of ..., which will be my last mentally-fabricated book ... I think, and have been so instructed.  It is the ultimate supreme publication, even greater than The Master Codex, which was a magnum opus. Hot Zones "is so bizarre, yet so on target, that it may cause people to faint."

Hot Zones is already promised, for free, here on LAShTAL, in PDF format. The hard book will be great, and full-color expensive, but the reader will need a magnifying glass for details. Many of the pictures, especially in Appendix IV (now under completionary maneuvers,  are fantastic photos at 600px. This means the magnifying property of a PDF reader will outshine even the best that Lulu's printers can provide.

Anyway, I am saving a copy of this post. You know, for the next person who asks ...

I don't know of any witches here, but you're welcome to hang out if you can explain any difference between a witch and a magician. 

Thanks for your effort, Shiva.

The sound on the crystal-chip site seems to be fine with my old Internet Explorer.

I'll definitely check out the vimeo and youtube stuff of your's. 

You're new project sounds promising as hell, I'll definitely keep in mind to give something back.

 

Btw I admire your prolificness. You might be the right person for a general question that's dwelling on my mind for some time: Videos, Audios and a direct wire to the Akashic Chronic seem to be the easiest way to learn especially for the younger generation. Nevertheless I have all this books around me which I havn't finished reading...HBP, Isis Unveiled, Tibetan Book of The Dead, Israel Regardies full Golden Dawn Rituals...as they are very time consuming. I'm also not the fastest reader (Mercury in Taurus...). Once I have integrated something I'll never forget (in this livetime at least) but merely the three books I've mentioned would take a large amount of time to finish in my case. So is this a kind of lethary I have to overcome? I feel like I'm learning every day (intuitively) but might never finish all the stuff on my reading list as there just isn't enough time. 

So do you think an aspiring adept still needs to ponder through all this stuff or are we approaching an Aeon where these things are much more directly learned by energy transmission etc.

I'm just afraid I'll need at least 3 years (or more) to finish every book surrounding my working space (and bed) right now. I could force myself to do it but that takes time away from other things for example real practise "out in the wild".

 

Much love and thanks again. 

Om Namah Shivaya

 


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snowonvenus
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22/11/2020 7:26 pm  

@michael-staley

Exaclty what I was looking for! Thanks michael! Just checked my copy of 777.

On a side note Eliphas Levi seems to equal 228 or 233 which is Etz (H) Chaim, the Tree of Life, in Sepher Sephiroth


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