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# Liber AL Cipher: Adventures in Base 26

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"My prophet is a fool with his one, one, one; are they not the Ox, and none by the Book?"
"Sacrifice cattle, little and big: after a child"

What follows may seem rather arcane and even boring to a lot of you. If numerological noodlings are not your thing, please all you cool kids, don't mock us nerds for having our fun. 😊

The time has come to present to you my interesting and entertaining "findings" from the Liber AL cipher. I don't claim any of this to be a "solution" to the cipher, or a solution to any problem at all. In fact if this was the "solution", I'd be a bit disappointed. It doesn't explain why those particular numbers and letters were used, why in that order, or why the symbols were written like they are in the manuscript. And after sitting on these "findings" for some time, I have begun to wonder if they are just a "waste product" of my (limited) spiritual development that has got me to the (limited) level of understanding I am now at.

I am rather lazy, with poor concentration. I was always too lazy to learn "proper" gematria. I found the "turning each letter into a number" and them "adding them all up" a bit boring. You can turn a word into a number and see how it relates to other words that make that number, but you can't turn that number back into one single word (as far as I know). I am now starting to learn some of this method and have finally started to read a bit of Sepher Sephiroth. But before this I went on a little "quest" to see if I could find something "more interesting".

A Brief (Re-)Introduction to Numerical Bases (skip this if you already understand this):
In base 10 (or decimal) we use ten symbols (0 to 9) represent numbers. We start with 1 and get to 9. We have now run out of symbols so we start a new column (the first power of ten), and put a one there and put a zero in the first column: 10. "10" shows "1 lot of first powers" and "zero digits" (we could also call the digits "zero powers", the zero power of any number is always 1, but this isn't important now). When we get to 99 we run out of symbols again so we start a new column: the second power of ten, 100. You get the idea, when we run out of symbols we start a new column to show the next power, starting with digits on the right and increasing powers to the left.
In base 11 we need an extra symbol for "ten", this is usually "A". So now we have 11 symbols: 0, 1, 2... 8, 9, A. We start with 1 and get to A (ten). Now we add a new column to show the first power of eleven. So in base eleven, eleven is represented as "10" ("one first power and zero digits"). Twelve is "11", thirteen "12" ... twenty-one is "1A" (one first power and "A" (ten) digits.
Base 12 needs an extra symbol, "B". So in base 12, eleven is B and twelve is "10". You get the idea, we need an extra symbol every time we go up a base 1 unit higher. Here is a nice little base converter if you want to get a feel for this:
https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/number/base-converter.html

We could use any set of symbols to represent any base, as long as we know the order (and value). With base 26 we could use the numbers 0 to 9 and A to P to get 26 symbols. But we want to use all 26 letters of the English Alphabet, so lets go with A to Z. Here we come to a little problem where a little "sacrifice" has to be made: one of the letters is going to have to be zero. I wanted to keep the order of the letters the same, that's how we normally think of the alphabet. We normally think of "A" as the first letter and "Z" the last, and its easy to think they should have the values 1 to 26, but as I showed earlier, we go up to 25 and then start a new column. We could have A = 1, B = 2 ... Y = 25 and Z = 0, but we don't think of "0" following "9". So sorry "A", its got to be you: A = 0, B = 1 ... Z = 25. So now when we get to Z (25) and start a new column (one lot of first powers and zero digits), we get "BA" (this word/number may or may not be interesting in itself).

With all that boring stuff out of the way, let's get on with the fun.

I started messing around, seeing what words looked like as numbers and what numbers looked like as letters. I was using a calculator at first but then discovered this useful site:
https://www.dcode.fr/base-26-cipher
(it also has an option where A = 1, Z = 26, but this makes less sense to me)

So I found out that this is all just a "Base 26 Cipher". The word "Cat" becomes 1371 and "Dog" becomes 2398. The number "418" becomes "QC", the number "666" becomes "ZQ", and the number "718" becomes "BBQ" (lol). 😀

With longer words we start to get some pretty big, unwieldy numbers:

Manifestation = 1,147,027,170,262,245,233
Unveiling = 4,287,493,435,504
Heaven = 85,011,849
Nothing = 4,191,055,680

If there is such a thing as "base 26 Qabalah", its going to need a lot more brainpower than I have (at least "nothing" ends with "80", so maybe that's a start).

I can only really give you one example of this new "Qabalah" that gives an interesting result (or just a coincidence?):
Thoth = 8,815,541
8,815,541 / 666 = ‭13,236.54804...
or
‭13,236 with a remainder of 365!

So you could say, when we shine the sun (666) on the God of the Moon, he gives us 365 (in the myths Thoth created the 365 day calendar).

OK, let's get to the Cipher:

4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L

We now "flip" the letters to numbers (with the values A = 0 ... Z = 25):

4 6 3 8 0 1 10 2 4 0 11 6 12 14 17 3 24 23 24 89 17 15 18 19 14 21 0 11

Now some very simple "adding them all up":

4+6+3+8+0+1+10+2+4+0+11+6+12+14+17+3+24+23+24+89+17+15+18+19+14+21+0+11

= 376

Spoilers coming up!

In base 26, 376 becomes ... OM! 🙂

(A glad word maybe). It may just be a coincidence (does Aiwass "do" coincidences?), I find it interesting that treating the cipher with one of the most basic "orders and values" and then using the most relevant numerical base for the "English Alphabet" happens to give this little word. I was expecting it to give some gibberish like "KZ".
A fun little "checksum": the running total number (from page 1 chapter 1) of the cipher page is 42.
42 + 376 = ... yup!

Now part two:
After looking at the cipher in the manuscript for some time I noticed that it contains the prime factors of 418 in its "elements":
Its written over 2 lines
It has 11 digits (24 and 89 have 4 digits)
19 letters
2 * 11 * 19 = 418. I wondered if this could be a "checksum" for the correct way to read the cipher. Was Aiwass trolling the Prophet when he said "twenty-four" "eighty-nine" instead of "two" "four" "eight" "nine", thus throwing him off the scent and making "know not, nor shalt thou know ever"? Its kind of poetic: Crowley the master-troll himself gets trolled by his higher self! 🙂

So with this reading of the cipher we get:
4 6 3 8 0 1 10 2 4 0 11 6 12 14 17 3 24 23 2 4 8 9 17 15 18 19 14 21 0 11

4+6+3+8+0+1+10+2+4+0+11+6+12+14+17+3+24+23+2+4+8+9+17+15+18+19+14+21+0+11

= 286
Spoilers coming up!

In base 26 we now get another interesting word:

286 = ... LA!

So either way we look at the cipher we get something relevant, both with their own "checksum". If this post is interesting to you, please "peer-review" it, I might have made a little mistake and I'm OK with it all coming tumbling down if that's the case.

I can make a follow up post with more findings related to these 2 numbers, but I think this is enough for now. Also some of you may want to find these yourself and I don't want to give any spoilers too soon.

Kind regards,
The HGA of a Duck.

p.s. As a little parting "gift", What lies beyond base 26? With base 27 we can add a "mystery" symbol to represent zero. Now we have ? = 0, A = 1, B = 2 ... Z = 26. A quick way to turn a fairly small number into a two letter word is divide it by 27 and get the remainder. Try it:
418 = ... 😊

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Hi Duck. It's way after midnight, and I just skimmed this duck-doc/post/solution. It's too late for careful study, right now, but I must admit that it's been a while since I read a dissertation, and you'll have to wait in line while I do so. Your Oral Defense will come after that. If you're not right on (aligned), the Oral will be very hard on you.

Of course, I'm just posting from my own circ (circus, circumstances), and surely some other professional professor of philosophy and game shows host will rattle their saber before I get the chance.

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Bathe in the blood of your children;
till the soil;
feast.

Before the tax man figures the occasion.

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Very interesting.

Did i do this right?  I am not going to keep going...

base26

a0
b1
c2
d3
e4
f5
g6
h7
i8
j9
k10
l11
m12
n13
o14
p15
q16
r17
s18
t19
u20
v21
w22
x23
y24
z25
ba26
bb27
bc28
bd29
be30
bf31
bg32
bh33
bi34
bj35
bk36
bl37
bm38
bn39
bo40
bp41
bq42
br43
bs44
bt45
bu46
bv47
bw48
bx49
by50
bz51
ca52

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@shiva

I look forward to the "Oral Defense" (er ... I think? 😬 )

@christibrany

Yep, you've got it. As you can see, a multiple of 26 always ends in a zero, "A", like a multiple of ten always ends in a 0 in decimal.

"Sacrificing" "A" by making it zero was my humorous reading of the "Sacrifice Cattle" line, ("little and big": lowercase uppercase). Here the "Child" would be the character for "Space". 🙂

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Bathe in the blood of your children

What is this? Some Biblical quote? A Tiger bloody koan or haiku? An allegory of Saturn eating his kids, or Babalon slaying the Saints?

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I appreciate your sharing this inventive contribution...

Changing base systems seems to speak the notion of fluidity rather than the static....that every number is infinite....

Thanks,

HG

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that every number is infinite....

Nice, I hadn't thought of that. I'll do a follow up post soon. I have a "findings.txt" file waiting to go, its a record of my "discoveries", with the almost laughable ones I made when I was a newb at the start, and they seem to get more interesting as you scroll down through it.

I figured out how to change my "nickname" to @duck to make it more straightforward. My username is a bit "clunky", I wanted a comical duck-based name (I have a bit of a soft spot for ducks, and animals in general).

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I love quack-quacks too. 😶 😶 😶

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" What is this? Some Biblical quote? A Tiger bloody koan or haiku? An allegory of Saturn eating his kids, or Babalon slaying the Saints? "

It is rumored that some have
strange visions hovering above the prosaic,
Time eats time.
Conceive the worthy object of admiration and reverence.
Bring them into being and immerse in it.
Constant transmutation of the supersubstantial substance;
a mixture of prana breath spiritus in the Pantomorph;
author of the gods reproducing the divine powers;
and
such kind most likely
Bathe in the blood of their children.

So the good church protected their creed.
Executing laws under pain of punishments
and death by burning at the stake.

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Time eats time.

Okay ... I'll buy that one.

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death by burning at the stake.

No ... I'll pass on that one today.

I guess we better get back to the 26th basic, which (as we all know so well) is the number of IHVH, who has many Witlesses.

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Yes I too appreciate you love of the duckies...

And what if Rose had been pointing to this Stele

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I guess we better get back to the 26th basic

Before I post my "OM & LA Findings: Part 2", I thought I'd gather together some "fun facts" about the number 26. They may be relevant to someone browsing this thread in the future (I checked the veracity of these factoids so they should be OK).

Mathematical:

Prime factors: 2 * 13

Repdigits in base 3 ("222") and base 12 ("22") (I like repdigits).

The 3rd heptagonal pyramidal number.

Elements of the cube: 8 Vertices, 12 Edges, 6 Faces.

There are 26 Archimedean solids (13) + their duals the Catalan solids (13).

One of these Archimedean solids has 26 faces, the Rhombicuboctahedron.

Its Catalan solid dual is the Deltoidal Icositetrahedron with 26 vertices.

The only number to be directly between a square (25) and a cube (27). (I like this one 🙂 )

The 26-dimensional Lorentzian unimodular lattice II25,1 plays a significant role in sphere packing problems and the classification of finite simple groups. (??? 😯 )

The number of sporadic simple finite groups. (??? 😳 )

Scientific:

The atomic number of iron.

The number of spacetime dimensions in bosonic string theory. ( 😵 )

Number of bones in the human foot and ankle.

Judeo-Christian:

YHVH: Yod(10) + Heh(5) + Vav(6) + Heh(5) = 26

Adam (Aleph Dalet Mem) = 45 - 26 = 19 = Eve (Chet Vav Heh)

Psalm 136 has 26 verses, each one ends in "for his mercy endureth for ever".

There are 26 generations from Adam to Moses.

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle ( 😉 ), and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Counting back 26 verses from the last chapter and verse of Revelation we get, Rev 21:23 "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Leviticus 26:19 mentions iron: "And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass" (iron is mentioned in several places in the bible so this doesn't seem all that significant).

Judges 20:15 "And the children of Benjamin were numbered at that time out of the cities twenty and six thousand men that drew sword, beside the inhabitants of Gibeah, which were numbered seven hundred chosen men."

1 Chronicles 7:40 "All these were the children of Asher, heads of their father's house, choice and mighty men of valour, chief of the princes. And the number throughout the genealogy of them that were apt to the war and to battle was twenty and six thousand men."

Supposedly the only mention of 26 in the bible (I haven't thoroughly checked): 1 Kings 16:8 "In the twenty and sixth year of Asa king of Judah began Elah the son of Baasha to reign over Israel in Tirzah, two years."

Matthew 26:26 "And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body." Here we could think of the "body" as implying "Solidness" and so here 26 could imply the cube and its implication of 3-dimensional space.

Other:
Number of Red or Black cards in a deck of playing cards.

The number of Cantons of Switzerland.

The number of counties in the Republic of Ireland.

The number of complete miles in a marathon (26 miles and 385 yards).

XXVI Holdings, Inc, a holding company that is part of Alphabet, Inc., the conglomerate that owns Google. (Something makes me think they know more than they let on, but just can't help giving us the occasional clue. The "Alphabet" can be "flipped into numbers after all, which ultimately can be reduced to 0 and 1)

And lastly, the most relevant to this thread:

Liber AL:

Number of letters in "the English Alphabet".

26 is a Divisor of 156 (6*26) (and thus 78 too (3*26)).

Sum of divisors (1 + 2 + 13 + 26) = 42, the (running total) page number of the Cipher. In base 6 26 is "42".

Verse 26 of Ch. 1 of Liber AL (typed version) has 78 words if we count "all-touching" as 2 and "&" as a word.

Verse 26 of Ch. 3 of Liber AL has 11 words (including "&"), 61 characters including spaces (and punctuation), 52 characters excluding spaces (again including punctuation).

(I haven't got anything out of ch. 2 v. 26 so far)

And what if Rose had been pointing to this Stele

Nice 😊 . Its a pity the Egyptians never had a duck-god, but then ducks are a bit too comical to have a god based on them.

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Nice . Its a pity the Egyptians never had a duck-god, but then ducks are a bit too comical to have a god based on them.

Gengen-Wer (gengen = honker, wer = great) the goose god was supposed in some cosmologies to have laid the orphic egg as a form of Amun. The goose iconography is also associated with gods such as Harpocrates and Hapy. Geb was sometimes called the 'great cackler' who as a goose laid the egg from which the sun hatched as Benu.

In some Egyptian descriptions of the netherworld, the dead fellow in question was described as having to guard or even be the egg which would hatch into Gengen-Wer. Being a god-egg in the Egyptian netherworld sounds positively Typhonian -- that is to say, Grantian -- to me.

I know a goose is not a duck, but they're related (even if you never see them together).

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Tiger: "So the good church protected their creed.
Executing laws under pain of punishments
and death by burning at the stake."

The invisible church of those linked by spiritual experience rather than creed or doctrine, is an important concept for both the Freemasons and the Rosicrucians (who also spoke of an “invisible college”).

AC refers to it in his Confessions with statements like "my devotion to [...] the Secret Assembly of the Saints", and "I told him of my search for the Secret Sanctuary of the Saints and convinced him of my desperate earnestness. He hinted that he knew of an Assembly which might be that for which I was looking."

Said invisible church of those linked by spiritual experience rather than doctrine, has its origins with persons like Sebastian Franck, Sebastian Castellio, Jacob Acontius, and Dirck Coornhert. (Source: Gerrit Voogt's research article "Anyone Who Can Read May Be a Preacher"1: Sixteenth-Century Roots of the Collegiants - - - https://brill.com/view/journals/nakg/85/1/article-p409_25.xml )

"... the littlest Protestant denomination in the world.", and "... a handful of churches all within a 50-mile radius of Philadelphia [US].", is a legacy of this invisible church. (Source: meet the schwenkfelders Martin Luther called them simpletons. Europe exiled them. And yet, in southeastern Pennsylvania, the littlest Protestant denomination improbably lives on. BY STEFANY ANNE GOLBERG - - - https://www.thesmartset.com/article05161401/ )

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I made a pic that gives the gist of my (rather long-winded) first post. It may help you "get" what I've been trying to talk about:

As you can see, 376 is a pentagonal number (this may become relevant in my part 2 post).

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@The HGA of a Duck
Nice !

Frances A. Yates in her book Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition insinuates that in her readings and understandings of the varied strands ; there are two whose philosophy differed.

Christians that used the Various Hermetical teachings to bolster the Churches philosophy; and those that practiced the pre Mosaic diabolical magics
championing that light can be found in nature as you are free from Mosaic Mitzvah and the body of Jesus sent after.

Because of the nature of cloaking and subterfuge in the writings it takes a lot of reading to sort out.

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And here's the "LA" version:

286 is the 11th tetrahedral number (which may or may not be significant).

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286 is the 11th tetrahedral number (which may or may not be significant).

Fifth Ray, that's what you're operating under. The ray of concrete knowledge and science. You are running in the company of Oppenheimer, Einstein, Planck, and Allan Bennett when he was doing his Tables of Correspondences.

Eleven (11th) is significant. You know that. The problem is, 11 is the number of Magick, and the number of all who are of us, and it's got some of that "infinite and unknown" factor associated with it. So it might be hard to pin down as "significant" without visiting the 7th ray - where they specialize in magic and stuff like that.

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Very interesting. I need to read up on these "Rays" as I'm quite new to them. I see what you're saying with the "concrete knowledge" as I sort of see these discoveries of "OM" and "LA" in the cipher as "graven images" of the "real" "OM" and "LA" that you have to find in "yourself" spiritually. And this seems to be the problem with finding a "solution" to the cipher: any answer you find that can be written down becomes a "graven image" of the real spiritual answer.

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Eleven (11th) is significant.

Yes, but what I'm not sure is significant is the fact that 286 is the next tetrahedral number after this guy:

the 10th tetrahedral, who happens to have the magic number 220!

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I sort of see these discoveries of "OM" and "LA" in the cipher as "graven images" of the "real" "OM" and "LA" that you have to find in "yourself" spiritually. And this seems to be the problem with finding a "solution" to the cipher

The "higher" ashrams of the 5th ray include stuff like praeterhuman messages and intuition. In reference to E=mc2, Albert said, "It was given to me."

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93!

I am even lazier with poorer concentration! I stuck with A=1 Z=26, the most basic of basic. I took AL II:75 to be part of the riddle, the "words" to listen to along with the numbers.

For AL II:75 I got 382.

For the letters in the cipher I got 252, then when adding the numbers I reached 395.

AL II:75 + Cipher of AL II:76 = 395 + 382 = 777, the successor of 666.

93, 93/93!

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I made a little "infographic" to show how simple this actually is:

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777

Wonderful! It sounds like you have hound a method of "gematria" that works for you. I have noticed that once you have found one, you start making new "discoveries" quite often (even with a "system" as unconventional as my base 26 malarkey). 😊

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Just a little mini-"nugget" I thought of this morning:

31 - 11 = 20, the page number written on the cipher page

31 + 11 = 42, the page number of the cipher from page 1 chapter 1

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I made another "infographic" for the "LA" interpretation of the cipher (a lot of elevens going on here).

Its an excuse to improve my rather limited graphical skills. 😛

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@duck well on your way to being the child of the beast, and that strangely!

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I'll only be the child of the beast if you can be him too. 😉

I just had to laugh when I remembered that there was an old 80s computer known as "286", and I had to include that rubber ducky after he showed up randomly in a completely unrelated image search.

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@runelogix

I'll only be the child of the beast if you can be him too. 😉

I just had to laugh when I remembered that there was an old 80s computer known as "286", and I had to include that rubber ducky after he showed up randomly in a completely unrelated image search.

Excellent....and upon a cogent observation by @runelogix that elicited a grin!

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Another rather minor "nugget":

In one interpretation we use 9 numbers, in the other we use 11 digits.

9 + 11 = 20, the page number written on the cipher page.

11 - 9 = 2, the cipher has 2 instances of the digit "2".

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Oh look, another 418. 🙄

Sum of repeated digits (2+2+3+3+4+4+4+8+8), 38

x number of digits, 11 = 418.

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Oh look, another 418. 🙄

Sum of repeated digits (2+2+3+3+4+4+4+8+8), 38

x number of digits, 11 = 418.

Don't get it...yet.....or is this the x that is a y?

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Sorry for the confusion, I meant a multiplication sign (*). These 418s keep popping up all the time now, its becoming almost routine. 🙂

I can almost see another one: count the symbols, the 19th is a 2 (in the "24"), the preceding one is "x" so its like telling you "times 2" (x 2), then you have 11 symbols left. 19 x 2 x 11. (yeah, this one is a bit rubbish).

Another thing I just noticed: the "24" can be read backwards as "42", the total page number of the cipher page.

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@duck a boring task I thought of recently was doing all the multiplication tables for 0 - 21 for the Tarot Trumps. I noticed 12 Hanged Man * 13 Death = 156 yesterday.

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@runelogix

Nice one. Do you do these sums manually or with a calculator/spreadsheet? I am too lazy and use a spreadsheet for these things, though ideally I should try to do it on paper/in my head to train up the numerological powers of my brain. 🙂

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@duck well I would be surprised if this isn't available online already in some convenient manner. Something else I want to do is make a Lisp database of Liber 777 tables and Class A texts but alas I am lazy and have not gotten to it as I'm spread across learning too many interesting things lately.

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I want to do is make a Lisp database of Liber 777 tables and Class A texts

That sounds like a good plan. I have noticed that you can do programming as an "act of devotion", when you run the program, it is a bit like spinning one of those Buddhist prayer wheels.

I have some rather ambitious ideas for programs, but my coding skills are limited. One of these is to make a visualization aid for numbers. You would type in a number and it would show what 2d/ 3d shapes you could arrange that number into (figurate numbers).

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"That sounds like a good plan. I have noticed that you can do programming as an "act of devotion", when you run the program, it is a bit like spinning one of those Buddhist prayer wheels. "

This reminds me of a friend back in the early 1990's who created a program that basically was an oracle consisting of like a few hundred words and that when one hit the return key one would get a number of words like 8 or 10... One would ask a question, type it out then hit return and get an answer... It was a fun party toy, until his wife used it for a friend who had a loved one and it turned into a seance of sorts, with answers that kept the person engaged for hours....

I am more of a luddite but do appreciate such skills as that which you have demonstrated and shared here. I would agree with @runelogix that it is best if we might be able to use our own memory and calculating skills, especially as such things have had a tradition regard in terms of spiritual and mystical practice...but beware of the lower Siddha's as Blavatsky warned in the Voice of the Silence, to which indeed it is a moral intuition that is the liberating invitation and gift of the message of Liber Legis, for all.

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I was a little disappointed in the lack of numerological nerds on this forum at this time, maybe they will show up in the future. I was hoping they could point any strengths/weaknesses of my cipher interpretation, or if they thought it was all nonsense, I would be OK with that too as long as I got a good enough explanation. 🙂

Section 1: 376/OM

The limitation (or built-in feature, it depends how you look at it) of this base 26 system is that words beginning in "A" have to have leading zeros when you convert them to numbers. For example, the word "AHA" becomes "0182". The leading zero is useless for mathematical operations and can be dropped, so you now have the number "182" which converts back to just "HA". The other side of this of course is that it allows you to "cheat" and add a leading zero/ letter "A" to any number/word. This allows for some "artistic licence" when interpreting numbers/words, and will become relevant in this part 2 post.

When I found that 376 becomes the word "OM" in base 26, this seemed significant and I wondered what we would get with the word "AUM" instead. It becomes "0532". The leading zero can be dropped, and converting "532" back into a word gives just "UM", and this is what I mean by there being a limitation (or built-in feature).

In my method of numerological research, I find figurate numbers (those you can arrange into shapes) more interesting and aesthetically pleasing. I found that 376 is one of the, a pentagonal number (the 16th one). I then went and had a look at the properties of "532" and found that it is also pentagonal (the 19th). This seemed pleasing, both forms of the word, "OM" and "AUM" become the same type of figurate number. Also, there is a little "checksum" for 532 in the cipher: 19 letters, 28 total numbers/letters. 19 x 28 = 532! That's all very well but the most interesting thing is the following:

I thought what else I could find here and looked at the difference between these numbers:
532 - 376 = 156!

Its a multiple of 26 so both words end with the same letter.

The number 156 is of course important, so I thought maybe its telling me something and eventually thought that if adding 156 to 376 gives something interesting, what happens if we subtract.
376 - 156 = 220!

Again, an important number. I thought what word would "220" turn into and this is "IM". Fairly meaningless, but this is where the artistic licence comes in and with a leading zero we get "AIM". Maybe it is telling us to aim for 220, this will be relevant in a bit.

First some research into "376":
Its prime factors are 2 x 2 x 2 x 47. I dug out Sepher Sephiroth (actually the Sephiroth ha-D'borim pdf), and found 47 = אויל = "Foolish, silly, stupid" (its always important to consider if what you're doing is actually a bit dumb), but also a spelling of "AUM" = אומ. So we have a link here from the "Hebrew" "AUM" to the "English" "OM" (which itself has a link to the "English" "AUM").
I looked up 376 and it gives שלומ "Peace" "Shalom" a pretty well known word even outside of Kabbalah (also note: shalOM).

And here is a nice bit of fun: Looking at the properties of 376 (OM), I noticed as it is the 16th pentagonal number, 16 x 5 = 80 or the Hebrew letter Peh (do you see where I'm going with this? 😉 ). Having these 2 syllables I set out to see if I could "force" the last syllable out of 376. It turned out I didn't have to try too hard: I looked at its properties again and noticed that it is also the 4th 64-gonal number (64 sided polygon). So:
376 - 64 = 312
312 / 4 = 78, the number of the Tarot, but also in base 26, 78 = DA! So in this slightly clunky way we get 376 to give us the 3 syllables of the terrible word: 376 (OM), 80 (PEH), 78 (DA), OMPEHDA! 😛

Section 2: 286/LA
After having found the alternative sum of the cipher, 286, I did the same procedure as with 376. I first thought of adding 156 which gives 442, in base 26 this becomes "RA". This seemed interesting but not overly significant. Subtracting 156 gives 130 or "FA", which is pretty meaningless (unless you can find something relevant with the musical note "Fa").
I then noticed that 220 ("AIM") could be telling us to "aim here", so 286 - 220 = 66 (number of verses of Nuit's chapter). The difference now is 66, like how last time it was 156, so we can now add 66 + 286 = 352. In base 26 this gives the word ... "NO"! A pretty fun finding. So we have the word "LA" and its English translation (or the closest we can get to "not" with 2 letters) "NO" using the significant number 220 (AIM) as a reference point. 🙂

Section 3: Lesser Findings
And now to finish, some less significant but still relevant findings.

As I mentioned in my previous post, we can see the prime factors of 418 in the elements of the cipher: 2 lines, 11 digits, 19 letters. This could be a checksum for the proper way to interpret the cipher (I don't know, its just a suggestion). If we don't view the elements this way we get 2 lines, 9 numbers and 19 letters. This is less "pleasing" as 9 is not prime, and it gives 2 x 9 x 19 = 342, which seems like a boring number, but it has some interesting properties:
in base 7 it is "666"
in base 16 it is "156"
its mean of divisors is 65 (number of manuscript pages)
it is the 12th heptagonal number (286 is the 11th)
286 + 56 = 342
In base 26 it becomes "NE", and obsolete form of "not" or "nor" in English, and also "no" or "not" in several languages.

220 and 286 both have the same sum of divisors, 504.

532 - 220 = 312, which is twice 156, in base 9 it is "376", in base 12 it is "220"

376 mean of divisors = 90, 376 - 90 = 286

And finally, the 14th symbol of the cipher is "O" (value of 14) first letter of "OM"; the 11th symbol is "L" (value of 11) first letter of "LA". 🙂

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Duck.

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Posted by: @duck

I was a little disappointed in the lack of numerological nerds on this forum at this time, maybe they will show up in the future. I was hoping they could point any strengths/weaknesses

Maybe you missed the thirty or forty QBL-type threads. The nerds all come out and party. Oh, there's plenty of numbers-dudes around here. You see, they've seen so  much over the years that they don't pay any attention to folks who show up with a solution to anything. This is because they know all numbers are infinite, so anybody can make a case for anything.

It's gotta be simple, clean, and practical. All other inquiries will be denied.

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OK, fair enough, though it sounds like you only read my little intro there 😉 . Had you read the whole post you might have at least found some of it entertaining, for example
220 + 156
or my take on OM-PEH-DA.

I have read some of those threads you mentioned, their discoveries are what inspired me to have a go at finding my own.

And why has everything involving the "cipher" got to be a "solution" any way? That implies and "end" to the whole thing and that nothing interesting can ever be found again. Like I said in my first post, I don't consider this a "solution". I hope to make more discoveries and hope others do too.

In case you didn't make it through my long-winded post, my "finding" is pretty simple, its just addition. The numbers and letters add up to 376, and this base 10 number appears as "OM" in base 26 (we have the added bonus of getting "LA" when we count the "24" and "89" as "2", "4", "8" & "9").

(I'm still waiting for the "oral defense" you mentioned earlier, does this post count? 🙂 )

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p.s. As a little parting "gift", What lies beyond base 26? With base 27 we can add a "mystery" symbol to represent zero. Now we have ? = 0, A = 1, B = 2 ... Z = 26. A quick way to turn a fairly small number into a two letter word is divide it by 27 and get the remainder. Try it:
418 = ... 😊

The spoiler for my little base 27 problem:

It shows how easily the number "418" becomes "OM" in base 27. 😊

And base 27 may well be significant with Liber 27 and the Trigrammaton stuff.

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@duck absolutely brilliant! Maybe the zero symbol is Ox.

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As an aside, a number of the observations in this thread strike me to be similar to Marcelo Motta's 1975 Commentaries of Al. From a general semantics point of view, the information uncovered loses its potency if it is too self-referential. At a basic level words point to ideas, and numbers point to quantities or measures. Of course the trick is to figure out from the text what ideas the words reference, and what are the quantities or measures that the numbers imply. The base 27 idea has a very Elizabethan cypher angle to it - John Dee would be proud.

You can take a geographic approach and find a correlation. Alternatively you can try to unscramble the words into a coherent sentence - and from that get some idea as to the meaning.

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And why has everything involving the "cipher" got to be a "solution" any way? That implies and "end" to the whole thing

Well, AC said whoever solved/deciphered that string of digits would do so simply, obviously, and that he would be a Magus. So, you see, a lot of people would like to "solve" it as an affirmation of their stature.

If a new Magus came along and revealed the meaning, it might be the end of the puzzle-solving, but not the game. The new Magus would surely have new data to keep the current moving along.

Besides, all our progeny will learn about the puzzle, and how "the second beast" explained it. In Wednesday School. The holy day will be Wotan's day (Thoth, Hermes, mercury, Odin, by whatever name I call you).

There is a second beast who arises in the Rev of John. He causes everyone to worship the writings or the first beast. I haven't seen anything here on Therion #2. Is he involved in code-breaking? How will he get humanity (everyone) to read the Libers and do the practices? I never identified with Beast #2, so I don't have the answers. I'm just thinking out loud.

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(I'm still waiting for the "oral defense" you mentioned earlier, does this post count? )

I was (Aye-wass) ready to hear your case when you first opened the door. However, your 5th ray (scientific) presentation shifts into base dimensions and other concepts that may be practical for engineers and nerds, but is abstract to simple, one dimensional dildos like myself. From such a limited viewpoint, I accept your post as passing the oral defense, in my jurisdiction. There is a committee of three, you know? I accept your post because at the end you finally stated your conclusion briefly and simply. I would accept a dissertation of one page, if the candidate made his or her breakthrough point before the first page ran out

I am therefore passing you on intent, mathematical competence at the cum laude sphere, understanding of AL and its metaphysical concepts You now have only three hurdles left: 1) You must provide a "solution," or an alternative thereto. Ongoing Taoist Rhapsody, as you suggested in different words,  would be acceptable

2) You must pass psychological sanity tests. I could give you an IQ test, but my license does not extend into psychological certification. Perhaps another member, preferably one with tight screws, can assist you.

3) You must show, demonstrate, or explain how this has some practical value. Everything comes to Malkuth Labs for testing. Even such an application as soothing one's limbic mind aberrations would be practical enough.

Do you do astral projection?

Do you meditate?

Do you indulge in aspects of Raja Yoga?

These are personal questions, so you need not answer, or even acknowledge my impertinence. I'm just asking what else you're bringing to the table in your bag of tricks.

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And why has everything involving the "cipher" got to be a "solution" any way? That implies and "end" to the whole thing and that nothing interesting can ever be found again. Like I said in my first post, I don't consider this a "solution". I hope to make more discoveries and hope others do too.

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Well, AC said whoever solved/deciphered that string of digits would do so simply, obviously, and that he would be a Magus. So, you see, a lot of people would like to "solve" it as an affirmation of their stature.

III 75. Aye! listen to the numbers & the words:

III 76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen none, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word.

No mention of solving or cipher in the original text. Just that a meaning will be provided. And it will be "expounded" upon.

The search for a "solution" does seem to occur as a contest at times, which seems a little silly. I assume AC used the words "cipher" and "solution" in his commentaries and writings? He also attached this to his search for a Magickal Child or heir? One which he thought he had found at one point I seem to remember? Fratar Achad I believe.

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There is a second beast who arises in the Rev of John. He causes everyone to worship the writings or the first beast. I haven't seen anything here on Therion #2. Is he involved in code-breaking? How will he get humanity (everyone) to read the Libers and do the practices? I never identified with Beast #2, so I don't have the answers. I'm just thinking out loud.

This is the quote I think you are referring to coming from the King James version Revelation 13:

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

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which seems a little silly

I am having troble finding a sphere or path that correlates with silly. I guess that's the point: It don't correspond with nuthin'.

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And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Yes, that;s the fellow. Did you know the mark of the beast is your credit card number, with a Visa or MasterCard logo? (Logo = Logos).

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I've heard something similar about bar codes, I don't know what it all means.

(I will give "proper replies" to every one soon, they just need more "brainpower" and that will take a bit longer)

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I don't know what it all means.

It means the inorganic Borg is taking control of your life, and you're just sitting there, typing and reading, and are not freaking out in any sort of suitable manner.

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I don't know what it all means.

It means the inorganic Borg is taking control of your life, and you're just sitting there, typing and reading, and are not freaking out in any sort of suitable manner.

Having read the above quote before I had reviewed some of the relevant previous exchanges, I thought. lol,  that Shiva was inferring that HGA of a Duck's number/base explorations & computer manipulated pasting of the sheets as being the referred "Borg" taking over 'Duck's' life.....

I suppose part of the relevant question might be is the question of what constitutes "suitable freaking out" to battle the Borg taking over our lives, to which I will imply that thus the relevant question concerns the ethos of the New Aeon as being the relevant orienting principle with which to battle being taken over by the 'Borg" and whether II. 76 (meaning @elitemachinery thanks for your reminder of relevance) could have something to do with feeding the 'war-engine" against enslavement?

According to my own impressions and certainly well explored by Mr. Lavenda, a war machine of objective historical reality, staged what is known as a  'False Flag' terrorist attacks at the dawn of the 2nd Millennium E.V., utilizing symbolic standards replete with overt Thalamic associations, to which it might thus be conceived that perhaps Thelema has been hijacked in a war against Islam, that I would posit is further intended to hurt Thelema. I reference this as I would consider the 'Visa' Borg' to be those powers behind attacks as a means of consolidating power through war in the face of the collapse of the financial system of the west...

Getting back to my subsequent reading of the thread....I am impressed by @shiva's employment of what concern Thesis challenges to @duck, and I suppose all, relevant to proof of activation of initiatory centers of one's various faculties, as a certain service in utilizing the thread in a productive way relevant to not just typing and reading...

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I suppose part of the relevant question might be is the question of what constitutes "suitable freaking out"

Screaming, crying, cursing, more medications, maybe performing the Meltdown ritual on LAShTAL, until, finally ... Taking a medium-sized sledge hammer to one's computer or, alternatively, dropping one's not-so-smartphone into the running garbage disposal. "Freaking out" is commonly known as hysterical hysteria.

perhaps Thelema has been hijacked in a war against Islam

AL seems to be against all the major religions, or at least Ra-Hoor is, what with all that wing-flapping and blindness-causing stuff.

The funny thing is, AL is embroidered with Islamic terms and concepts (Qiblah, Kaaba), which I originally thought was pretty cool, but I changed my mind after some fundamentalist wackos started taking over the world by force. I suppose they have been taking over the world by force since Mo's time (circa 600 e.v.), but I first noticed it in '79 with the Iranese Hostile Takeover Reversal.

To be safe, and non-accusable by trolls of racial or national or cultural bias, hate, or discrimination, it is best to take the (mental) war out equally in all directions.

Is there a religion? I'm a'gin it.

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