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07/03/2020 7:42 pm  

@shiva

I would posit that Islam was taken over by religion, and religion was taken over by politics and politics by......

I am sorry that you bought Sargent Pepper's color revolution concerning what happened in Iran, unfortunately.radical islam was conceived at 'Tavistock' more or less for the City of London....

One could say that Thelema is actually catholic in its universality, upon what is actually a cosmic war and actually a work of fulfillment of various conceptions of a perfected man, from the Second Coming to the Madhi....to beyond such dualistic conceptions...to the non-dual invitation before us all and as the invitation of Liber L. Vel Legis!

Of course the BORG, has its own visions of a new man something that might be the evil ring of temptation of the Gollum clutching no doubt a 'Horus Toy" perhaps...

Yes do teach us the Lashtal Meltdown Ritual against the Borg!

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07/03/2020 8:21 pm  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

I would posit that Islam was taken over by religion, and religion was taken over by politics and politics by......

... The Black Lodge.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Yes do teach us the Lashtal Meltdown Ritual against the Borg!

There is no such thing. Resistance is futile.


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08/03/2020 5:41 pm  

@faustian

Thank you for your encouraging comments. I still consider myself very much a beginner with a lot to learn, I've been meaning to read all the commentaries and now may be the time. It was a happy accident to find the word "OM" hiding in there in base 27, I don't know what the mystery character for zero is. Maybe its a wildcard character for any punctuation or "space". If so, we could consider the whole of Liber AL as a string and "decode" it into one very long number. 🙂 

Any clues on the "geographic approach"? It seemed like you wanted to give some in the other thread.

 

Posted by: @shiva

Well, AC said whoever solved/deciphered that string of digits would do so simply, obviously, and that he would be a Magus.

Its a good point but I'm sure you'd agree there are some more skeptical members on this forum who might consider this just a fantasy. It would be a matter of "faith" to believe that AC was saying this in his role as Prophet.

I myself am "wacky" enough to believe there may be a "solution" in there, though I have not been convinced by any supposed "solutions" so far. That's not to say they don't have value. I consider these "findings" to be like stepping stones that may eventually lead someone to the "proper" solution, and so I posted my own here in this spirit.

I am also wacky enough to believe that if a Magus does come along and solve the cipher, another Magus could still come along and re-solve it and find something better. 😉 😉 😉 

 

Posted by: @shiva

I accept your post because at the end you finally stated your conclusion briefly and simply.

Yes, looking through my OP again I am a bit disappointed in it. I was over-enthusiastic and wanted to post it at on a personally "auspicious" date, and the "auspicious" time of 2:20. I wanted to give some background to how bases work and rambled on a bit too much. I think I failed to keep it relevant to the cipher and failed to communicate how simple it is. I would one day like to heavily edit this and put it in a short pdf with some of my "infographics" to make it more entertaining.

As to the 3 "hurdles", I don't thinks there's any rush to jump over all 3 at once and hope to do so in more posts if my understanding improves.

Posted by: @shiva

3) You must show, demonstrate, or explain how this has some practical value. Everything comes to Malkuth Labs for testing. Even such an application as soothing one's limbic mind aberrations would be practical enough.

For now I can give this preliminary answer that's relevant to this thread:

After examining the cipher to see what it could tell us, it just gave us the very short word "OM". So in a way its saying:

"I'll give you this answer: OM! Did you really think you'd find something better in here? OM! You're going to have to do it (OM) for yourself, I'm not going to do it (OM) for you. But at least I'm telling you what you need to do (OM)."

And after approaching it with the alternate reading:

"Oh, you're back again! Trying to outsmart me! Well, I'll just say what I said before, with a different word: LA! You're going to have to do it (LA) for yourself, I'm not going to do it (LA) for you. But at least I'm telling you what you need to do (LA)."

Hope that makes sense. 🙂 

 

Posted by: @elitemachinery

What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever.

For my more "wacky" speculation: Like in the rest of the book where it refers to "the Prophet", its not just referring to AC but the reader in the role of "the Prophet". May be its trying to speak to some "higher" version of the self and past that part of the self that wants this knowledge so it can have it for itself, the "Smartass" part of the ego maybe? (I know I've certainly been a "smartass" now and again).

Posted by: @elitemachinery

But remember, o chosen none, to be me

(It seems appropriate you put "none" instead of "one") "To be me" (Hadit), Only when there is no ego in the way (when the reader and Hadit are one/none) can the solution be seen.

Posted by: @elitemachinery

The search for a "solution" does seem to occur as a contest at times, which seems a little silly.

Yes, and in the way I see that verse its sort of telling you to be "no-one" and there is no difference between one "no-one" and another so a "contest" would be pointless. 🙂 

 

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

I am more of a luddite but do appreciate such skills as that which you have demonstrated and shared here.

(I meant to reply to this some time ago):

On the subject of programming, its never too late to learn. Though I've grown up with computers, I only got into programming fairly recently as a hobby. I can't do anything terribly advanced but it can be quite "satisfying" when you make some simple program what does what you want.

"Python" seems to be a fairly easy language to use:

https://www.python.org/

You could just use the online intrepreter to mess around with (you can also install it) and try out the tutorials:

https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/index.html

 

 


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08/03/2020 6:14 pm  
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Posted by: @elitemachinery

But remember, o chosen none, to be me

(It seems appropriate you put "none" instead of "one") "To be me" (Hadit), Only when there is no ego in the way (when the reader and Hadit are one/none) can the solution be seen.

That was a spelling error on my part. I cut and paste the excerpts from a not so good website and had to correct some spelling--but I missed that one. It was unintentional.

It should read:

"But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word."


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08/03/2020 6:32 pm  
Posted by: @duck

I myself am "wacky" enough to believe there may be a "solution" in there, though I have not been convinced by any supposed "solutions" so far.

Solution is a word, perhaps not suitable for our purposes. "Another one will follow ... He wil expound it." (paraphrase with emphasis on the exact verb used in the scripture).

Posted by: @duck

After examining the cipher to see what it could tell us, it just gave us the very short word "OM".

Say, that's a good move in the right direction. Keep it simple, and all that.

 


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08/03/2020 11:33 pm  
Posted by: @elitemachinery

That was a spelling error on my part

Yes, it was just interesting how it seemed to add something to the original that was relevant. 🙂 

 

Posted by: @shiva

Solution is a word, perhaps not suitable for our purposes.

Some confusion arises. I believe there are both "solutions" (with a small "s") and "Solutions" (with a big "S") hidden in there. What I'm saying is that I really am "wacky" enough to believe there are "Solutions" (those of "cosmic" significance) in there along with the "solutions" (interesting ones but no "big deal"). I can't quite see them yet, but think they are almost within reach, and not just for me to find them but everyone. 🙂 


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09/03/2020 12:06 am  
Posted by: @duck

I can't quite see them yet, but think they are almost within reach

"He shall expound them/it/whatever."

Maybe you're him.


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09/03/2020 12:41 am  

@shiva

Well, if they do ever come within reach and I can grab them, I will be sure to report them here on this forum. Even then, like I said before I'll only be him if you can be him too. 🙂 

 


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09/03/2020 1:08 am  
Posted by: @duck

Even then, like I said before I'll only be him if you can be him too. 🙂 

Oooh, oooh - not wanting to get left out, can I get to be "him" as well too??

(Meanwhile, helluvalotta sexism going on hyere!)

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09/03/2020 1:13 am  

@jamiejbarter

Of course, its "him" in general, and no sexism intended, I'm just using "him" as that's how it was written in the book ("he shall expound it", "he shall behold them").

 


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09/03/2020 4:43 am  

Just an update on a fun little coincidence: After noticing 418 = "OM" in base 27, I tried turning "LA" back into base 10. This gives 325. I then noticed:

418 - 325 = 93

Not 92 or 94, it just decided to be the magic number 93. Here's the "infographic":

 

Apart from that, 325 is the 25th triangular number so it is the "Mystic Number" of path 25, Samekh.


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09/03/2020 5:42 pm  

Samekh is glad!

By thine art!

Good Work~

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09/03/2020 6:02 pm  
Posted by: @duck

I'll only be him if you can be him too. 

I followed the first prophet for a long time, so I already became him (the one who follows). It's your turn in the barrel now. (This has nothing to do with the mysterious letters/numbers).

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

can I get to be "him" as well too??

$666, payable in gold or PayPal. Coronacurrency, stamps,  and bitty-cons are not acceptable.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

helluvalotta sexism going on hyere!

Crowley sez no woman can be a magus 'cause she don't have the required member. So there's no sexy-ism involved. It's strictly a matter for the good ol' boys club.

The validity of Crowley's insight is debatable, but we'll need a new thread and a (any) woman who wishes to dispute his masculine approach to solve all problems.

 

 


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09/03/2020 6:53 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

It's strictly a matter for the good ol' boys club.

Yes, a new thread might be appropriate, I'll just give my quick take on it here. I think this might have something to do with the fact that there are more males with autistic characteristics than females. To become a "Magus" might mean you have to be just the right kind of autistic "nerd", and I guess there are fewer (but not zero) women like this. The other side of this is that women tend to make better "witches" and there are fewer men who are "witchy". A "Magus" is no better or worse than a "Witch", they both have their strengths.


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09/03/2020 7:28 pm  
Posted by: @duck

Yes, a new thread might be appropriate, I'll just give my quick take on it here. I think this might have something to do with the fact that there are more males with autistic characteristics than females.

No. There is no difference. Male and female, and even cross-gender and bi-gender and eunuchs and barren-wombs are each and all just a point (asexual). In the new thread, started by SWIM (someone who isn't me), I will take the position that anyone can attain to any level of consciousness ... assuming they are human and have a functional cortes and pineal.

 


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09/03/2020 7:32 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

I will take the position that anyone can attain to any level of consciousness

That's kind of what I was getting at. The "level of consciousness" might be the same but the pathway to it (magus or witch) can be different.


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09/03/2020 8:03 pm  
Posted by: @duck

A "Magus" is no better or worse than a "Witch", they both have their strengths.

Hope she sees this, bro.

Posted by: @duck

kind of autistic

There was a thread, maybe just slightly before your time, where I insinuated AC was on the autism spectrum. That would be a much more entertaining thread to make than anything about gender or sex.


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09/03/2020 8:20 pm  
Posted by: @djedi

Hope she sees this, bro.

😊 Heh, it might have sounded a bit like that. I think what I'm getting at is that there's the same nothingness behind whatever "content" is going on.

I think I glanced at that "Autism" thread, I'll try and read it fully now and post something there if I can think of anything (I consider myself a "nerd" with some undiagnosed autism going on, it would explain a lot 🙂 ).

 


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10/03/2020 8:11 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

It's strictly a matter for the good ol' boys club.

Yes, a new thread might be appropriate,

Looking back at this post, that very definite sounding "Yes" was a mistake on my part and made it sound like I was agreeing with the statement, which wasn't my intention. I should have proofread it better.


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13/03/2020 1:15 am  

My quirky way of getting the word Ompehda out of the cipher, now in infographic form!

 

Having got "OM" from the number 376, without too many steps I noticed "Peh" (yes, its a bit of a cheat). I then decided to give that number one last squeeze to squirt out the last syllable "da". I hope QBL can also be comical sometimes.


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13/03/2020 5:24 pm  

Quirky is good!


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Posted by: @shiva

There is a second beast who arises in the Rev of John. He causes everyone to worship the writings or the first beast. I haven't seen anything here on Therion #2. Is he involved in code-breaking? How will he get humanity (everyone) to read the Libers and do the practices? I never identified with Beast #2, so I don't have the answers.

There's the Man of Sin from 2 Thessalonians 2. After discovering the abomination of desolation in relation to this character back in my early bible studies it drew me into making a brief identification. Reading the passage now it seems the man of lawlessness could be interpreted as being about aspects of humanity.

On a Thelemic individual basis Beast #2 could start small to get humanity reading the Libers by following the example of Beast #1. Set ordeals of initiation upon those that falsely claim and are improperly recognized as authorities having attained exalted spiritual grades in Thelemic Orders. Miraculously clean and order the houses as it were. Being open regarding and successfully fulfilling those ordeals with code breaking would set recognition. To get things really going though would require something along the lines of willed and recognizable reincarnation.

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14/04/2020 2:31 am  
Posted by: @duck

The spoiler for my little base 27 problem:

 

It shows how easily the number "418" becomes "OM" in base 27. 😊 

I just noticed that 718 also becomes "OM", this time in base 47. 🙂 

O = 15, M = 13

15 x 47 + 13 = 718

I'm too lazy to make an infographic for this one as there are 20 "useless" characters after Z (26). This "finding" may not be very significant though it is interesting that "AUM" can be rendered in Hebrew as "אומ" giving 47 (1 + 6 + 40).

@wizardiaoan This may be of interest to you as 47 is one of your magick numbers.


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21/04/2020 6:21 pm  
Posted by: @duck

 

It shows how easily the number "418" becomes "OM" in base 27. 😊 

Posted by: @duck

I'm too lazy to make an infographic for this one as there are 20 "useless" characters after Z (26).

Who was I kidding, of course I was going to make another "infographic". Here it is:

 

This shows that there is some mathematical relation between 418 and 718 (not necessarily anything "spooky"), but I'm not smart enough to figure it out. I'd be interested to know what others think of this.

The formula to find out what number becomes "OM" in a particular base (starting with A = 1):

15X + 13

where X is a base greater than or equal to 16 (the lowest base you can get the 15th letter "O" to appear in).

There doesn't seem to be much significance to the number 47 itself, though אומ (AUM) = 47 is a "meaningful coincidednce".


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21/04/2020 6:24 pm  
Posted by: @duck

This shows that there is some mathematical relation between 418 and 718 (not necessarily anything "spooky"), but I'm not smart enough to figure it out. I'd be interested to know what others think of this.

Well, i, a Thelemite, and student of the work of "418" (AC) used to live for most of my life in Brooklyn, NY, which is area code 718.


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21/04/2020 7:28 pm  

@ignant666

Was it particularly abominable or desolate when you lived there? 😮 

That stélé they shall call the Abomination of Desolation; count well its name, & it shall be to you as 718.

AC counted the Greek for "stele", Στηλη, as 52, and added that to 666 to get 718. That's great I guess, but what relevance does any of this have now? If there's no deeper meaning to this number then why did it need to be recorded in Liber AL? Some of my "research" involves figuring out what these weird numbers mean. If they don't have any deeper meaning they just seem "silly" to me.


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Was it particularly abominable or desolate when you lived there?

Um, Brooklyn, late '70s, '80s, '90s, "abominable", and/or "desolate"?

Perish the thought- a garden spot, really.

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Both pics from my old neighborhood, Williamsburg, one a typical '70s-'90s southside street scene, the other from on the waterfront near where i watched the second of the twin towers burn on 9/11 (the first was already down by the time i got there).

The second spot is now a very gentrified waterfront park with no abandoned buildings. There used to be incredible parties with multiple art installations, bands, DJs, etc, in the abandoned waterfront buildings, and lots of people living and making art in them.


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After noticing that with a little "cheat" - considering the "24" and "89" as digits instead (2 + 4 + 8 + 9), the cipher sums to 286 "LA" with A-Z 0-25, I had a go at considering just the "24" as digits. This sums to 358 which becomes "NU" in base 26 - 13 x 26 + 20 x 1, 13th symbol = N and the 20th = U.

cipher 24

 

Maybe Aiwass was just trolling Crowley by saying "twenty-four" instead of "two four" and so hiding this word in the cipher along with OM and LA and all the other fun stuff. 😊 Just a thought, I'm not claiming this is the only way to look at it.

I finally got round to making this "infographic", I'm fairly pleased how it turned out. Here Our Lady of the Stars is wearing NGC 346:

 

"...to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth
upon men, to tell them this glad word"


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03/05/2020 3:23 am  

You are starting to remind me of a character in Crowley's novel "Moonchild", an apprentice magician of sorts, who always saw correspondences everywhere. I think that the character was loosely based on Israel Regardie, but not sure. AC was a big fan of these numbers games. My own sense about this cypher is that the information is specific, incontrovertible, and once presented leads to that Aha moment. 

That being said, the best way to find the answer is to stumble in the dark. Only through hard work, can one hope to find the solution.


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03/05/2020 7:22 pm  

358 is also the 4th "61-gonal Number", which is nice.

 

Oh and I just noticed this one:

8 x 80 = 640

640 - 418 = 222

 

And another fun one using the less common interpretation "8, 80, 400 and 18":

400 / 80 = 5

5 + 8 + 18 = 31


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03/05/2020 11:50 pm  
Posted by: @faustian

You are starting to remind me of a character in Crowley's novel "Moonchild", an apprentice magician of sorts, who always saw correspondences everywhere.

Could you be meaning Cyril Grey here?

Posted by: @faustian

I think that the character was loosely based on Israel Regardie, but not sure.

No, it couldn't have been Regardie, as the novel was first written in 1917 and he would have been about thirteen at the time.  AC didn't actually make Regardie's acquaintance until just over a decade later.

Posted by: @faustian

My own sense about this cypher is that the information is specific, incontrovertible, and once presented leads to that Aha moment. 

But you wouldn't care to "present" it here yourself, though?

N Joy 


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Posted by: @faustian

My own sense about this cypher is that the information is specific, incontrovertible, and once presented leads to that Aha moment. 

JB asks: "But you wouldn't care to "present" it here yourself, though?"

He said he had a personal "sense about" it, not that he "knew" or could "tell" us what it is or means. I believe you have been hypnotized by him during one of his subliminal transmissions during the recent period when he appeared to be playing the coy mode, with hints and ruffles, in which he seemed to imply that he knew parts or in (who was that dog in Oz?) Toto that he held obscure (none dare call it occult) information.

 


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Posted by: @shiva

He said he had a personal "sense about" it, not that he "knew" or could "tell" us what it is or means.

Well I just wish he would be "sensible" about it...

Posted by: @shiva

I believe you have been hypnotized by him during one of his subliminal transmissions during the recent period

"Oh dear!"

Posted by: @shiva

when he appeared to be playing the coy mode

You're not suggesting he could've been some sorta ... super-spreader of this infectious malady, are you?

Posted by: @shiva

in which he seemed to imply that he knew parts or in (who was that dog in Oz?) Toto that he held obscure (none dare call it occult) information.

Is he El Bluffo Supremo, capable of putting even the Grand Teezemeister (General) @therealrtc into the shade, or what is he?

Posted by: @shiva

(who was that dog in Oz?) Toto

Let's all try never to forget that it was that everlastingly faithful mutt who was directly responsible for the downfall of the Great and Powerful ... man behind the curtain

N Joy


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Is he El Bluffo Supremo, capable of putting even the Grand Teezemeister (General) @therealrtc into the shade, or what is he?

He's one of a few (esoteric, or the esos)(S.O. = 130 = Secret Org) who suggest or imply that they know all or part of a/the puzzle, but they don't say any such thing about themselves. We don't know the truth. Our only hope is to get tired and go on to the holier place.

 


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04/05/2020 11:03 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

But you wouldn't care to "present" it here yourself, though?

He gives us some interesting clues now and again, apart from that he has given me some feedback that I find valuable in my on-going learning process with this cipher.

 

Posted by: @shiva

who suggest or imply that they know all or part of a/the puzzle

😊 I don't know any part of any puzzle. The duck will quack some clues now and again till you know what I mean by "the key of it all" (which you know already).

Now that you're here, feel free to review some of these "infographics". If there's something I've failed to communicate I'm happy to explain it in more detail. Finding "NU" was a pleasant surprise.


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04/05/2020 12:12 pm  

i prefer to intone Nuit as New we as in a flourish of air to open a portal and intone Nut as Nuuu when in the depths of a bottomless pit.
3, 5, 8
1, 3, 2, 0 and even a twenty
a 7
and a 6

what wonders to dive into.

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I prefer to MOO-it.  

 

I'll see my way out. 

 

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Posted by: @christibrany

I prefer to MOO-it.  

Ah, a devotee of Hathor then. 😊 

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@duck

It is that time of day here actually! 😀

 

I like the udder-ance.

 

 


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04/05/2020 8:12 pm  

Toot for Nut.

We hold the Earth fro Hell away. 🌹


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The HGA of a Duck
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04/05/2020 9:15 pm  
Posted by: @duck

 

"...to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth
upon men, to tell them this glad word"

Latest fun "findings" (using serial English A=0):

"The ending of the words is the Word Abrahadabra"  sums to 358, in base 26 = NU

"The Book of the Law is Written and Concealed. Aum. Ha." sums to 387, in base 26 = OX

 


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06/05/2020 4:27 am  

I stand corrected, the novel Moonchild could not have referenced Israel Regardie. But the character - brother Onofrio - still reminds me of @duck. I would be interesting to know whom Crowley based this character on.


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06/05/2020 12:05 pm  

@faustian

Might be Frank Bennett. Although I don't recall him being noted for seeing significant numbers everywhere.

From Moonchild, Chapter X ( https://hermetic.com/crowley/moonchild/mc10):

'First in rank came the burly Brother Onofrio, a man of some thirty-five years, strong as a bull, with every muscle like iron from constant physical toil.' [my bold]

Frank would have been much older than 35 when Moonchild was written.


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06/05/2020 12:07 pm  

The bold characters didn't take. But see 'F' and 'rank' underlined.


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The HGA of a Duck
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06/05/2020 1:35 pm  
Posted by: @duck

"The ending of the words is the Word Abrahadabra"  sums to 358, in base 26 = NU

I made a variation on the "NU" pic:

 

A fun coincidence. In this way both the cipher and "The ending of the words is the Word Abrahadabra" sum to 358 which appears as "NU".

 

Anyway, I think Nuit looks cool with an image of real stars, the rest of the images on the Stele could be done in the same way with real textures.


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The HGA of a Duck
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06/05/2020 2:06 pm  

Now with more stars:

 

@faustian I'll have to read this now. 🙂 

@jdes I like the Ganesh avatar. I cobbled this pic together from a bunch of random images I'd collected:

 


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The HGA of a Duck
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06/05/2020 5:26 pm  

OK, so so I just went through the whole of chapter 1, summing each verse with A=0 then converting to base 26 (I do these ridiculous tasks so no-one else has to 😛 ). Unfortunately only 5 of these turn in to a proper word:, YE, YO, EFT, PA, and BEG. The rest turn into gibberish. Would have been cool to find some hidden code in there, there may still be one but this isn't it. One fun "finding" was that the last two verses together ("To me! To me" and "The Manifestation of Nuit is at an end") sum to 418.


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