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 Anonymous
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09/01/2009 7:25 pm  

I have been hard pressed to find any information on this? What do the 22 Enochian alphabets correspond to (which notes) musically?


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09/01/2009 7:39 pm  
"KatrinaOrdealX" wrote:
What do the 22 Enochian alphabets...

It's even more complex than I imagined.

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barrywilliamhale
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10/01/2009 1:10 pm  

Are we talking about the encochian alphabet of Dee and Kelly

If so the only reference that I have seen to the Enochian alphabet having 22 letters was Zalewski's 'Enochian Magic of the Golden Dawn' we he puts forward a 22nd letter. I believe this is an endeavour to place the enochian letters onto the G.D.s Tree of Life with it;s 22 paths corresponding to the 22 hebrew letters. From a personal perspective I think this is a stretch and unneccessary

Another angle might be in relation to the Enochian letter 'GON' which is equivalent with the english letter 'I' but with a point is 'Y', but this not an extra letter I believe.

To the best of my knowledge the Enochian alphabet consists of 21 letters, which can be divided into three groups of Seven. This may be a place to start with the tradition Western seven note scale.

The heptad is obviously important in relation to this Enochian alphabetical schema and has many different resonances with the Seven days of Creation and the seven planets etc and the interplay of the triad.


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10/01/2009 1:43 pm  

In reference to the 22nd letter , Zalewski claims to have recieved the extra Enochian letter in a mediation which has no correspondense to any letter of the English alphabet like the other 21 letters. He further goes on to say that he believes that his findings corresponded to a certain extend with those of David Hulse who published them in 'The complete Golden Dawn System of Magic'. The name of this letter extra letter is 'TELORP' and it corresponds to the Greek letter Theta.


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 Anonymous
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10/01/2009 2:10 pm  

There are 22 Sruti (Indian microtones) perhaps there is a parallel somewhere here?


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10/01/2009 2:27 pm  
"barrywilliamhale" wrote:
If so the only reference that I have seen to the Enochian alphabet having 22 letters was Zalewski's 'Enochian Magic of the Golden Dawn' we he puts forward a 22nd letter. I believe this is an endeavour to place the enochian letters onto the G.D.s Tree of Life with it;s 22 paths corresponding to the 22 hebrew letters.

How convenient. 🙄

To the best of my knowledge the Enochian alphabet consists of 21 letters, which can be divided into three groups of Seven. This may be a place to start with the tradition Western seven note scale.

The heptad is obviously important in relation to this Enochian alphabetical schema and has many different resonances with the Seven days of Creation and the seven planets etc and the interplay of the triad.

Or the 7 notes through 3 octaves. There is enough written about esoteric music to provide grounds for a correlation.


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27/01/2009 10:24 pm  
"KatrinaOrdealX" wrote:
I have been hard pressed to find any information on this? What do the 22 Enochian alphabets correspond to (which notes) musically?

Hello,

Or my my! Who has pressed you about this info? 🙄

I do not think that enochian alphabet is related to 7 notes in music.

I have been studying music for seven years (sort of "had to") and honestly i would say that there are actually 8 notes (IMHO) because the "oktava" (i am not sure if this is correct on English) gives you this unique double - which is 8... so i personally would not consider any relation.

It is just my POV


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28/01/2009 10:18 pm  

93

First thought... in music, you express a frequency with a letter notation. Like A=440hz or 415hz or what have you. All the other frequency/letter correspondences are derived from ratios depending on the temperament system being used. To write two octaves, one must use additional notation: c d e f g a b c' d' e' f' g' a' b' c'' ... so now the question: if 8 notes, to which octave does the 8th note belong? And why are there three pitches on c in the space of 15 notes?

I would say that the 2/1 ratios and their complements are not part of an 8 note scale, but rather the beginning of another 7 note scale. After all, whether you use roman characters or angelic ones, the only written difference between f and f' or f'' is the register mark.

Interesting though... Dee's angelic system is rooted in the same Judeo-Christian cosmology as has been responsible for inspiring centuries of sacred music composed with western 7 tone modal scales... most of it choral music... and three octaves of (useful) vocal range is about right for a talented singer. Although, I have to admit... I have a hard time imagining a choir signing in Dee's angelic.

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30/01/2009 5:22 am  

I remember reading somewhere on this site that Danney Carey, the drummer from "Tool", incorperates Enochian into his timing while playing his drums.....or something like that. Any info on this will be greatly appreciated!


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30/01/2009 5:40 am  
"N.O.X" wrote:
I remember reading somewhere on this site that Danney Carey, the drummer from "Tool", incorporates Enochian into his timing while playing his drums.....or something like that. Any info on this will be greatly appreciated!

I was just reading the Wiki page concerning them. It mentioned he has a pattern style based on sacred geometry and his kit features some Enocian iconography
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"Enochian symbols, geometric designs, and special symbolic percussive devices are featured on and in his drum kit...Carey has laid claim to various drumming techniques that use sacred geometric figures such as the unicursal hexagram. "

I have to admit I don’t listen to Tool but I appreciate their aesthetics and influences. I should give them a listen.
Perhaps a more informed fan can provide more info.


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30/01/2009 6:15 am  

You really should give them a listen. I also think you should check out "A Perfect Circle", Mer De Noms and Thirteenth Step were the best one's.


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30/01/2009 8:20 am  

Thanks N.O.X, will do,

I am interested as well if they have a developed synthesis of music and Enochian. Google turns up some interesting info but nothing concrete as has already been noted.


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 Anonymous
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31/01/2009 2:27 am  

I actually went to see Tool on the 10,000 days tour and it truly was a magickal experience. They are soooo good live!


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31/01/2009 11:14 am  

Some time ago I was working on a set of correspondences transposing Franz Bardon’s Quabbalistic list to their Enochian equivalents.
Due to there being no sacrosanct method of knowing the true vibratory pronunciation of the Enochian language, the lesser used Enochian letters need further research to determine their true musical value.

ENGLISH ENOCHIAN MUSIC NOTE

    A …… Un ……. G
    B …… Pe ……. C
    C,[K] ……. Veh ……. D
    D …… Gal ……. C
    E …… Graph ……. D
    F …… Orth …….. F sharp
    G ……. Ged …….. F
    H ……. Na-hath……. A
    I,[J,Y] ……. Gon …….. G
    L ……. Ur …….. F
    M ……. Tal …….. D
    N ……. Drun …….. A
    O ……. Med …….. C
    P ……. Mals …….. B
    Q ……. Ger ……. ?
    R ……. Don ……. C
    S ……. Fam ……. G sharp
    T …… Gisa …… F
    U,[V,W]…… Vau ……. B
    X ……. Pal …….. ? (possibly G sharp or C)
    Z …… Ceph …….. G

    K ……. Veh ……. B
    J ……. Gon …….. G sharp
    Y ……. Gon ……. C sharp
    V ……. Vau ……. ? (possibly B or G)
    W ……. Vau …….. G


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01/02/2009 10:32 pm  

How did you arrive at this?


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03/02/2009 5:50 am  

Rudd I believe attributed sixteen of the Enochian Letters to the Sixteen Geomantic Figures
The GD ran with that and Crowley also saying in the Liber 418 the Vision and the Voice; 29th Aethyr RII -"The geomantic correspondences of the Enochian alphabet form a sublime commentary."
Updated tables in the New edition of Book four derived from his analysis of the Letters that make up the name of each of the 30 aethyrs.

the Letters thereby can be attributed to the Dee's Aristotlean Elemental system.
the 16 letters to the Geomantic figures on the 16 elemental subdivisions of the Watchtowers
4 letters to each respective Elemental Watchtower
and 1 for the Tablet of Union
Crowley gives enochian D - Gal attrib' Spirit and encohian Q - Ger to Water

the 22 schema in previous post

And there are quite a number of Gematric models one I believe that may yield some better results

for some relations between enochian letters and geometry, Dee was I believe influenced a great deal by the "Champ Flevry-The Art and Science of the Proportion of the Attic or Ancient Roman Letters, According to the Human Body and Face”. this treatise sought to find the ideal relationhip between Letters and Humanity.

the Hierogylphic Monas is his attempt to find just such a thing with the elaborations on the different compaonents of geometric, Number and Astrology etc, i believe he called the Monas the "Kabbalah of the Real", whereas with the later recieved Lingua Adamica or the Enochian Alphabet he called it the "Kabbalah of Nature" , and where the geometric considerations are easily demonstrated in the monas it seems a little harder for the Letters .

i think Masilio Ficino might be a good route as well if you want to go for the Hermetic approach.


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03/02/2009 6:16 am  

http://www.dubovskoy.net/epage47.htm Enochian Keys.

The mp3 files, music is fantastic IMO.
Other Thelemic music available from the Home page of Valentin Dubovskoy.

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barrywilliamhale
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03/02/2009 11:53 am  

I am having some problems downloading these MPEGS
But for experimental music considerations -

http://www.dietermuh.org/dieter%20muh%202007.swf

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I think also there was a project Angels and Insects which I believe was a sonic exploration of the 49 Angels of Bonorum. I know that there is alot of Metal type music that has reference to the Enochian Keys etc but I not to familiar with these references


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 Anonymous
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04/02/2009 6:36 pm  

How did you arrive at this?

In Bardons book ‘The Key To The True Quabbalah’ and specifically the chapter 'Quabbalistic Incantation', Bardon gives a list of musical notes that correspond with letters of a 27 letter (Germanic based) alphabet. This includes a few umlaut and combination based letters that do not occur in the English alphabet.
In Quabbalistic magic the notes of the letters are used in conjunction with the colours of the letters, the elements, as well as specific body locations for each letter.

These given musical notes are then simply transposed to the Enochian alphabet that correspond to their English letter equivalents, B = Pe, A = Un, etc. – where permitting.


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05/02/2009 10:04 am  

In regards to the relationship of the english alphabet and the number 27 three Cube ,Liber Trigrammaton Sub Figura XXVII in the Holy Books of Thelema is of interest because he gives a commentary to this liber entitled -
The Order & Value of the English Alphabet, Appendix to Symbols of the English Alphabet


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