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azizsahar
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18/11/2019 8:21 am  

I'm sure many are familiar with this Hindu sacred number, what is its significance in the light of our Western tradition and Thelema? I see some here are good in gematria, so they might help.

I once read someone arguing that it equals something "physically" proven about the Sun, probably related to its distance from the earth, unfortunately I can't remember all of the information neither the source.

Currently, I repeat the number 93 with my prayer beads, but also use this number occasionally, and I'm still trying to figure and sense the energetic nuances that result from both.

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18/11/2019 4:02 pm  

In India, 108 (1-0-8) is the toll-free emergency telephone number.

The number of suitors coveting Penelope, wife of Odysseus in Homer's Odyssey.

The Eagle Claw Kung Fu style has a form known as the 108 Locking Hand Techniques.

According to Marma Adi and Ayurveda, there are 108 pressure points in the body, where consciousness and flesh intersect to give life to the living being.

The Chinese school of martial arts agrees with the South Indian school of martial arts on the principle of 108 pressure points.

108 number figures prominently in the symbolism associated with karate, particularly the Gōjū-ryū discipline.

In Buddhism, according to Bhante Gunaratana[3] this number is reached by multiplying the senses smell, touch, taste, hearing, sight, and consciousness by whether they are painful, pleasant or neutral, and then again by whether these are internally generated or externally occurring, and yet again by past, present and future, finally we get 108 feelings. 6 × 3 × 2 × 3 = 108.

6 Senses (Smell, Touch, Taste, Sight, Hearing and Consciousness)

x 3 Pleasant, Painful or Neutral feelings

x 2 Internally or externally generated feelings

x 3 Past, Present or Future feelings

Therefore, 36 past, 36 present and 36 future feelings = 108

Sanskrit alphabet has 54 letters. Each letter has a masculine (Shiva) and feminine (Shakti) energy 54 X 2 = 108

Desires. There are said to be 108 earthly desires in mortals.

Time. It is said we have 108 feelings. 36 related to the past, 36 related to the present, and 36 related to the future.

Astrology. There are 12 constellations and 9 arc segments. There are 12 houses and 9 planets. 12 X 9 = 108

The diameter of the sun is 108 times the earth.

In Jainism, the total number of ways of Karma influx (Aasrav). 4 Kashays (anger, pride, conceit, greed) x 3 karanas (mind, speech, bodily action) x 3 stages of planning (planning, procurement, commencement) x 3 ways of execution (own action, getting it done, supporting or approval of action).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_(number)

 


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18/11/2019 6:51 pm  

T: In India, 108 is the toll-free emergency telephone number.

This [^] is probably the most important number to remember when traveling in India.

I though your extensive reply was encyclopedic and you had passed your QBL test, but unfortunately the rules require "proving the properties of a number previously unproven by anyone else," and you ended with a reference to an encyclopedia, which is why your post seemed encyclopedic.

However we look at it, in awe or disregard, your post is better than I could/would have done. Where is the picture or description of the 108 pressure points as recognized by the various martial arts? Do I have enough memory capacity to retain all of them in my RAM? (4 Gb)?


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19/11/2019 3:05 am  

@Shiva
Just cause it says so on wiki is not good enough.
hows that.
http://www.edkishtur.com/yoga-articles/2016/4/10/-the-108-marmas-vital-junction-points-

I really have to take time to study Chapter 3 of The Task of a Student and get to the Seven Planes.
Then I will tackle attributions.
But thanks for the pass.
Busy with work and trying to keep up my guitar chops at this momentary phase .


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azizsahar
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19/11/2019 7:52 pm  

Thanks for the information Tiger.

Still guys...

You haven't answered my question, I was asking about the number's meaning from our Western and Thelemite perspective, is there any significance? Does it correspond to a particular word or phrase using the Greek and Hebrew qabalah and gematria?


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19/11/2019 8:04 pm  

azP I was asking about the number's meaning from our Western and Thelemite perspective, is there any significance? Does it correspond to a particular word or phrase using the Greek and Hebrew qabalah and gematria?

For that specific reference, you can merely open Sepher Sephiroth to number 108.

I have encountered this number in a number of meaningful ways, but I don't think it's one of those magic numbers we encounter very often, if at all, in Thelemic numerology.

1+0+8 = 9. In the QBL of Nine (1-9), 9 is a "spiritual" number. It is unfathomable by folks whose number is NOT nine. It is initiation, and it is death. So, reducing 108 to 9, it's "root" number, we can see how difficult it might be ... for you in your quest.


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26/11/2019 3:48 pm  
Posted by: @azizsahar

Thanks for the information Tiger.

Still guys...

You haven't answered my question, I was asking about the number's meaning from our Western and Thelemite perspective, is there any significance? Does it correspond to a particular word or phrase using the Greek and Hebrew qabalah and gematria?

As Shiva says, there are online resources where you could find correspondences in the Greek and Hebrew qabalahs.  In the Greek, there are words corresponding to 'Nothing; no one', and to 'Whole; perfect'.

There are many Hebrew words enumerating as 108, set out in Sepher Sephoroth. For instance: ChNN, 'to love very much', 'ChTzI, 'the middle', ChQ, 'to measure out; a decree; tall'.

None of the correspondences listed in Sepher Sephiroth, nor the Greek equivalent, seem to suggest anything about the Sun, though.

 

 

 

 


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26/11/2019 7:06 pm  
Posted by: @azizsahar

I was asking about the number's meaning from our Western and Thelemite perspective, is there any significance?

Integers in the number are specifically mentioned in a phrase in Legis Ch. 2. Some significance linked with Hadit to be made by the individual perhaps.

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26/11/2019 8:26 pm  
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Posted by: @azizsahar

I was asking about the number's meaning from our Western and Thelemite perspective, is there any significance?

Integers in the number are specifically mentioned in a phrase in Legis Ch. 2. Some significance linked with Hadit to be made by the individual perhaps.

I certainly agree with you that "some significance . . . to be made by the individual perhaps". I think that's the prime use of gematria - what the correspondences mean to the individual.


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26/11/2019 10:38 pm  
Posted by: @michael-staley
Posted by: @mal
Posted by: @azizsahar

I was asking about the number's meaning from our Western and Thelemite perspective, is there any significance?

Integers in the number are specifically mentioned in a phrase in Legis Ch. 2. Some significance linked with Hadit to be made by the individual perhaps.

I certainly agree with you that "some significance . . . to be made by the individual perhaps". I think that's the prime use of gematria - what the correspondences mean to the individual.

And like for other studies math works well as a 'universal language' to communicate individual knowledge of the inner experience.

Making correspondence where possible to spiritual writings like The Book of the Law creates a link to that current and the individual develops signification through indulgence and refinement.

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27/11/2019 1:37 am  

In my own QBL (based on the tradition & my personal research) I'm always looking for the relationship of a number with a 0 (zero, nought).

In this particular case it goes like this:

108 = 80 + 8 + 20 =

80=0 + 8=0 (both based on AL I, 46) + 20=2=0 (based on the 2=0 formula) = 0

So, I'd say this particular number, 108, leads to 0 in the oblique way. (Note: this is gematria, not math.)

Other than that contemplate on the words set out in Sepher Sephiroth, as both Shiva and Mr. Staley have noted above. Beside the standard edition of Liber D, you can found on the internet Sephiroth ha-D’borim (which is Liber D "revised and updated by Frater Hoor"), and Supplement to Sepher Sephiroth by Benjamin Rowe, which contains additional words, i.e. the Hebrew words not included in Liber D.


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27/11/2019 4:00 am  

magus + fool + adjustment =
18 the moon

cycles periods
Binah ?


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27/11/2019 4:13 am  

Magus of the voice of power 1+8


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29/11/2019 11:03 am  
Posted by: @shiva
we can see how difficult it might be ... for you in your quest.

Can you elaborate on that please?


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29/11/2019 12:33 pm  
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Integers in the number are specifically mentioned in a phrase in Legis Ch. 2. Some significance linked with Hadit to be made by the individual perhaps.

Which phrase in Ch. 2 are you referring to?

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Thanks everyone, I'll make sure to check your remarks and suggestions.


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29/11/2019 2:26 pm  
Posted by: @azizsahar
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Integers in the number are specifically mentioned in a phrase in Legis Ch. 2. Some significance linked with Hadit to be made by the individual perhaps.

Which phrase in Ch. 2 are you referring to?

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Thanks everyone, I'll make sure to check your remarks and suggestions.

ver 15  I am eight, and one in eight: Which is vital, for I am none indeed.

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29/11/2019 5:04 pm  
Posted by: @serpent252

So, I'd say this particular number, 108, leads to 0 in the oblique way. (Note: this is gematria, not math.)

It's interesting then that there are two words listed as enumerating to 108 in the Greek equivalent of Sepher Sephiroth, and one of these words means 'nothing; no one'.


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30/11/2019 4:03 pm  

2² x 3³ suggests ideas about the emergence of the plane and cube from the line and plane.

1, 0, and 8 independently may convey self contained ideas about Hadit from the Book of the Law. Factoring 108 reveals a possible means for a formula of self-purification.

Example of a basic outline for a ritual examination using Sepher Sephiroth:

2 x 54 emblem - to remove

3 x 36 triangle - cast away

4 x 27 circle - purity

6 x 18 cube - my beloved  (doubled 216=6³)

9 x 12 planets - penetration

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09/12/2019 3:21 pm  

108 plays a part in Phi and the Fibonacci Sequence.  New age people love it as it features in "sacred  geometry ".   It also features in the dimensions of the Moon and of course the number 18 is associated with The Moon Atu.  

https://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/phi-metatrons-cube-and-the-holy-number-108/

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09/12/2019 6:02 pm  
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New age people love it as it features in "sacred  geometry ".

Since "sacred" means/relates-to/is-based-on "blood," then these New-Agers are enthralled with bloody geometry ... and I'll bet they don't even know that.


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