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There was a discussion on Lashtal recently about the name of Crowley's home equaling the value 418 when calculated with Hebrew gematria, and the fact the author of the Book of the Law points out as much:

BVLShKIN = 418

To arrive at the value 418, the English letter S has to be treated as the Hebrew letter Shin, as opposed to being treated as Samech, which is more traditional. My theory is the use of Shin instead of Samech is a signature gematria technique used by Aiwass. There are two more pieces of evidence that suggest the same, with the first consisting the the original Latin title of the Book of the Law, Liber L. vel Legis:

LIBER L VEL LEGISh = 666

The final data is seen in the name Aiwass itself, which equals 418 when figured using Greek gematria. When the signature gematria technique is applied to the name, Aiwass equals 618, the digits in the mathematical constant phi, the inverse value of the Divine Ratio:

AIWASS = 618 = 6.18

The case of Aiwass equaling 418 and the divine constant phi, is remarkable enough to suggest the name is a two-dimensional gematria construct that probably has nothing to do with Aiwass being Satan as imagined by Aleister Crowley, while also demonstrating the likelihood that Aiwass uses the letter Shin as a signature facet in his Hebrew gematria equations.

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Posted by: @herupakraath

a signature gematria technique used

for fudging to get desired results.

BVLShIT= 748

748 = "The oil of Anointment", per Liber Sepher Sephiroth, p. 60.

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Posted by: @ignant666

BVLShIT= 748

The second "L" in BuLL is neither sounded nor vibrated, or intoned either ... so your erroneous spelling is acceptable for addition or summing.

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I think that @ignant666 has found trail of the missing Montu as is the subject of a concurrent thread for in this one appears

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BVLShIT= 748

And BVLSHIT could mean bullshit, or it could mean that trail of the missing Bull could well have been found in this word that does find the V, or Vav for Bull, clothed with a B and an L, and where Sh speaks to silence and of course IT is it...or more Bull~

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Posted by: @ignant666

for fudging to get desired results.

They shall worship thy name, foursquare, mystic, wonderful, the number of the man; and the name of thy house 418.

Let's see, the name of Crowley's house is...wait for it...Boleskine. The only way to make Boleskine equal 418 is to calculate it as BVLShKIN. I can't see where the issue is other than it irritates you see an idea pan out logically and effectively.

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Posted by: @herupakraath

The only way to make Boleskine equal 418 is to calculate it as BVLShKIN. I can't see where the issue is other than it irritates you see an idea pan out logically and effectively.

I think the gist of the ire is that, if there are no rules, anything can be made to equal whatever number you want. And then it's all meaningless. Which of course it is.

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The only way to make Boleskine equal 418 is to calculate it as BVLShKIN.

Yes, you have grasped my criticism. You have given an obviously absurd transcription of "Boleskine" into Hebrew letters chosen solely because they will add up to 418, while ignoring the fact that "S" and "Sh" simply are not pronounced the same way.

Your QBL is about "lust of result"- the answer has to be 418, because you have decided that that an AL verse that does not mention Boleskine nonetheless must mean that "house", so you fudge til "Boleskine" equals 418.

That you can't at all even understand that this might be seen as problematic explains a lot about your QBL "work", and how others react to it.

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Posted by: @ignant666

while ignoring the fact that "S" and "Sh" simply are not pronounced the same way.

In common Hebrew speech today there is no difference in the pronunciation between Shin and Samech, but again, and something you can't seem to grasp, is it makes no difference how a word is pronounced if the objective is making it equal a specific value as in the case of making Boleskine equal 418. No one would even know Boleskine can be made to equal 418 if not for the statement made in verse II:78, demonstrating a clear case of cause and effect, and the source of the gematria equation, Aiwass. I'll revisit this subject again soon, and show you how significant it is.

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Posted by: @herupakraath

In common Hebrew speech today there is no difference in the pronunciation between Shin and Samech

This is sort of correct; Shin in modern Hebrew can indeed be pronounced "s".

And of course entirely irrelevant, because in more traditional forms of Hebrew, like say Biblical Hebrew, as spoken by your better class of angels and demons, it can't be. Shin is "Sh".

Posted by: @herupakraath

it makes no difference how a word is pronounced if the objective is making it equal a specific value as in the case of making Boleskine equal 418.

I can, in fact, grasp that this is an exact and simple description of how you think QBL/gematria works. This is very clear to anyone who has read anything you have written. You, in advance, decide what the result needs to be, and fudge, fudge, fudge, as needed, til ya gits there.

I am pointing out to you something that you "can't seem to grasp": this is a bankrupt, bullshit methodology that produces nothing but self-confirming bullshit.

You can of course point out quite rightly that AC did similar stuff, and it was bullshit when he did it too.

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I can, in fact, grasp that this is an exact and simple description of how you think QBL/gematria works. This is very clear to anyone who has read anything you have written. You, in advance, decide what the result needs to be, and fudge, fudge, fudge, as needed, til ya gits there.

You're a liar and you know it, so live with it.

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Posted by: @herupakraath

You're a liar and you know it, so live with it.

This is very rude, violates the site guidelines, and is incomprehensible to boot- how on earth is the quoted statement supposed to be a "lie"?

It is an entirely truthful description of what you have said yourself- i am almost quoting you.

You yourself just told me that what i said is how you work:

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the objective [of QBL/gematria] is making [a given word] equal a specific value

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With apologies for double-posting:

It is perhaps ironic that a common term for the process of deciding the desired answer/result, and then back-constructing a methodology that gets you there, as our Amarillo-born Comrade says he prefers to do when doing gematria, is "Texas sharpshooting".

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Posted by: @ignant666

"S" and "Sh" simply are not pronounced the same way.

But there is a camp in this Oasis wherein the pilgrims go look the letters up in books that say a Shin can be pronounced as an or as a Sh. There are other examples where letters get assigned to numbers that are shared by other numbers that are not pronounced the same.

So I guess it's time to reveal the secret mystery: There are two (major) kinds of QBL. One is written, the other is spoken (I imply magickal vibration, or intoning, but neither chatting nor reciting in synagogue).

What a bummer !  Which came first ? The Chicken Sound or the Egg Letter ... ?

Posted by: @herupakraath

it makes no difference how a word is pronounced ...

This concept violates basic vibratory law-science-art, etc.

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if the objective is making it equal a specific value ...

Aha!  And here we have, openly revealed, the QBL of the left-hand path: The root, QBL, means "to receive." As in confirmation of data inputed into one's brain, or other such received data.

Making a word equal a number is back-channeling, which is why I amusingly refer to the left-handed approach.

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t is perhaps ironic that a common term for the process of deciding the desired answer/result, and then back-constructing a methodology that gets you there, as our Amarillo-born Comrade says he prefers to do when doing gematria

Justify your accusation with specific examples.

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But there is a camp in this Oasis wherein the pilgrims go look the letters up in books that say a Shin can be pronounced as an or as a Sh.

"Original Sin (and Original Shin!) Today, we pronounce the letter sin the same way as the letter samech"

" In Modern Hebrew samekh and sin are pronounced the same."

"The letters samekh and sin sound alike. "

"As for sin and samekh, the difference in pronounciation between them disappeared roughly around 500bc"

I pulled those quotes off of the first page that came up in a search. It would appear that you and "Ignant666" are the only "camp", whereas the majority is in complete disagreement with your appeal to faux tradition.

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This concept violates basic vibratory law-science-art, etc.

Another appeal to tradition.

Posted by: @shiva

Aha!  And here we have, openly revealed, the QBL of the left-hand path: The root, QBL, means "to receive." As in confirmation of data inputed into one's brain, or other such received data.

Bollocks.

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Posted by: @herupakraath

Justify your accusation with specific examples.

You should seek treatment for your apparent memory loss. Since you have forgotten, please see your recent post where you said:

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it makes no difference how a word is pronounced if the objective is making it equal a specific value as in the case of making Boleskine equal 418.

My "accusation" was that you do gematria by "deciding the desired answer/result, and then back-constructing a methodology that gets you there".  Above, you describe the process by which you manage to torture "Boleskine" into equaling 418: you decide in advance that the total must be 418, and then proceed to "adjust" (fudge) the spelling until you get the desired result.

Your own words clearly state that this is the process you employ. Further, you are baffled and hostile at the idea that anyone would ever do it any other way.

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Posted by: @ignant666

It is perhaps ironic that a common term for the process of deciding the desired answer/result, and then back-constructing a methodology that gets you there, as our Amarillo-born Comrade says he prefers to do when doing gematria, is "Texas Sharpshooting".

The gematria system of the Tri-key is based on the letter frequencies of Liber Legis: there is no way I could have programmed the letter values to produced preconceived results. You stated once that I searched for a gematria system until I found one that makes my name appear in the II:76 puzzle, which is patently and demonstrably false, thus exampling you as a liar, ipso facto. The only other possibility for "back-constructing" is to change the spelling of words, or construct phrases with an intended gematria value, neither of which I have ever done.

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Posted by: @herupakraath

The only other possibility for "back-constructing" is to change the spelling of words [...] which I have ever done.

Again, i urge you to seek treatment for your apparent issues with memory loss. Here is a quite recent example, which i am surprised to hear you have forgotten, where you "change the spelling of words":

Posted by: @herupakraath

BVLShKIN = 418

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Posted by: @ignant666

Here is a quite recent example, which i am surprised to hear you have forgotten, where you "change the spelling of words":

In other words, you can't defend your absurd position.

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My "accusation" was that you do gematria by "deciding the desired answer/result, and then back-constructing a methodology that gets you there".

And my response stands: I do not. The Boleskine = 418 equation originates with Crowley, not me.

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Posted by: @herupakraath

"The letters samekh and sin sound alike."

Yes they are. They both start with the serpent's hiss (or the sss of an open fire.

Otherwise, in English, today, as well as yesterday, there is a big difference between Sitting and Shitting ... although they are alike in certain ways.

It is also problematic that the Tree and our curriculum have S and Sh allocated to two different paths with different tasks that lead to different destinations.

It is immaterial how people speak lingos today, when a system is based on ancient intonations.  It is not my intention to belittle the Jews,the S or the Sh, the numerations thereof, or any particular little detail.

No, my general belittlement is aimed at  of any reverse-engineering of the left-hand (or backward) path.

Posted by: @ignant666

Your own words clearly state that this is the process you employ.

Well, yes. That's exactly what this present mix-up is about. Reverse-engineering, like the Chinese do, then a lot of rhetoric and confused logic to cover up the sin.

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Posted by: @ignant666
Here is a quite recent example, which i am surprised to hear you have forgotten, where you "change the spelling of words":

Yes, this is the crux of the method ... known as fiddling.

Posted by: @herupakraath

The Boleskine = 418 equation originates with Crowley, not me.

The prototypical exhibition of fiddling by the Chief Fiddler, who taught us how to fiddle, properly, so that everything points to AC, his House, and his Law.

There are reasons why some folks, after doing QBL for decades, tend to become distant from a system that stops working at the Da'ath Portal and is clearly seen as a great method for ordering the mind, but not for transcending it.

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Dwtw

Even if you could justify that Boleskine = 418, it doesn't explain why a Thelemite should be expected to worship a house, or its name. "They shall worship thy name, foursquare, mystic, wonderful, the number of the man; and the name of thy house 418.

AC fiddled and got BULShKIN = 418, which is legitimate in its own way, but obscures the point, which is the worship of said 'house'. Remember he also got 418 for the name of the house in Italy, and that was a lot more straightforward in transliteration.To quote:

“The stupid coincidence angered me, and yet some irresistible instinct compelled me to take out my notebook and pencil and jot down the name written over the gate — Villa Caldarazzo. Idly, I added up the letters 6 + 10 + 30 + 30 + 1 and 20 + 1 + 30 + 4 + 1 + 200 + 1 + 7 + 7 + 70. Their sum struck me like a bullet in my brain. It was 418, the number of the Magical Formula of the Aeon, a numerical hieroglyph of the Great Work! Ab-ul-Diz had made no mistake.”

Not sure I would want to worship that house name either, just sayin'

Litllwtw

O.L.

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Posted by: @shiva

There are reasons why some folks, after doing QBL for decades, tend to become distant from a system that stops working at the Da'ath Portal and is clearly seen as a great method for ordering the mind, but not for transcending it.

Numbers,language, and symbol systems can only take you so far. They are simply maps to help through the territory. Things of the rational cannot pass in to the transrational.

Posted by: @shiva

No, my general belittlement is aimed at  of any reverse-engineering of the left-hand (or backward) path.

Not to be confused with the interpretation of LHP I follow.

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Posted by: @shiva

Well, yes. That's exactly what this present mix-up is about. Reverse-engineering, like the Chinese do, then a lot of rhetoric and confused logic to cover up the sin

Posted by: @shiva

It is also problematic that the Tree and our curriculum

It doesn't seem bother you the base-10 numbering system was developed and used by the Egyptians thousands of years before the Tree of Life was created, and that Jewish culture took the values, placed them on the Tree of Life, proclaimed they were the creation of Yahweh, and even wrote a fictitious tale about it in the Sefer Yetzirah. That is a true example reverse-engineering, along with the rest of the piece-meal, reverse-engineered qualities of the tree.

If the double-standard noted were not enough, you apparently seem to think a divine messenger is somehow bound to what you, Ignant666, or anyone else thinks are proper methods, when a divine messenger can do what it pleases, and without making the logical fallacy of appealing to tradition.

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Their sum struck me like a bullet in my brain.

I have to wonder if that statement inspired the line spoken by Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now!.

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Posted by: @herupakraath

or construct phrases with an intended gematria value, neither of which I have ever done.

You forgot "Thelima" which is "Will" in Tri-Key or Tahuti-Key while "Thelema" is not.

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Posted by: @herupakraath

which I have ever done.

I see what you did there!

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Posted by: @herupakraath

a divine messenger can do what it pleases

Oh my heavens to Betsy, the conceit runs thick with some.

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the logical fallacy of appealing to tradition

You do understand that "appealing to tradition" is not in fact a "logical fallacy", right? Just got a bit carried away by the flow of your rhetoric, and spoke loosely, i'm sure.

If not, maybe a good idea to ask those Egyptian Adepts to give you a little basic course on logical reasoning, so that you understand what a "fallacy" is (and is not), and that the "informal fallacies" aren't necessarily actually fallacious?

That is, if the EAs aren't too busy with disclosing to you new secret systems of magick to help you out by filling in some of the gaps in your education.

And, of course, when the topic under discussion is "what are the traditionally accepted methods here?" (as it is here), "appealing to tradition" is in fact the only cogent form of argument.

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Posted by: @ignant666

Posted by: @herupakraath

a divine messenger can do what it pleases

Oh my heavens to Betsy, the conceit runs thick with some.

This also comes super handy when you are the receiver of the divine message.

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Posted by: @ignant666

Oh my heavens to Betsy

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This was undoubtedly goes along with what was said when Jesus H. Christ was the extent of swearing!...with "heavens to Betsy's" usually from aunts and mothers...

Yes back to fallacies, I suppose as long as, House 418, where ever it may be, is a proper place for Phallicism to which now that in a locked thread the Sex Secrets of the Aleister Crowley and the OTO have something to do with Jesus Christ...perhaps the H was really important.

Well by golly!  "Shin for the win"!... for without the "h" it would be a Sin!

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For anyone to "enjoy": this is the Tri-Key first explained by the Prophet Timmy Moss.

https://web.archive.org/web/20101103020645/http://www.hakela.com/

It's the key he uses today and I invite everybody to calculate all the "true gems" he had found with it (then). I wonder if I am the only one finding only BS. If anyone finds anything that fits the Solar Key (Tri-Key) or Lunar Key (you find it here: https://web.archive.org/web/20101103020730/http://www.hakela.com/Solarkey.html ), please let me know. I only find cheating, or giving results that are wrong.

This is counting and I might have counted wrong (I think I haven't). Most of the correspondences don't work as far as I can see.

What has changed, o Prophet Timmy?

P.S. I haven't checked every claim, this would be too exhausting, but I have checked many. Just an example:

Claim:  ABKALGMORY = 113

This what I get: 5+17+21+5+10+19+14+3+9+15 = 118

First - not final - conclusion: everything with Timmy, Amarillo, Texas etc. works (I checked that), many other things not.

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Links in post are bollixed.

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Okay, he endorses the Lunar Key here obviously, and with that it works. But the Tri-Key doesn't. It's frustrating. What is he up to? And why there are so many Zeros in his Lunar key? Or better: why is everything done with the "Lunar Key". It's just ridiculous to follow.

But I guess the most important thing to observe is the what he thinks of as his role as the Child of the Prophet 13 years ago. Also I would be delighted to know about the surplus for women of his system.

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Posted by: @ignant666

Links in post are bollixed.

What is bollixed? Sorry... maybe just search for hakela.com on the Wayback Machine?

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"Bollixed" means "fucked", ie, the links don't go where they say they do- try clicking on them.

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@ignant666 Okay, maybe copying these links did not work. I don't know why. Search the web.

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Posted by: @katrice

Not to be confused with the interpretation of LHP I follow.

Not to be confused with anything else, except reverse-construction.

The correct method, approved by both Therion and BafometR, was just cited [quoted] upstream. AC whips out his portable mechanical calculator, jots down the name of a VILLA, converts to numbers, and sums them to equal 418. Confirmation: This is the Place.

No Fiddling. No adjusting. Just Receiving. QBL.

Note: VILLA = 77. Go figure.

This method appears as the instruction for verifying phenomena that AC used to describe "how to use it."

In other places, he demonstrates how to substitute, re-arrange, and play the violin while counting letters and numbers. He never tells anybody how to do this, he just does it ...

Then followers line up to imitate the violin part because AC did it, so it must be the way to go.

Posted by: @herupakraath

and that Jewish culture took the values, placed them on the Tree of Life, proclaimed they were the creation of Yahweh

Um, this historical deviation eulogizes the funny notion that Tarot, Atu, and the Tree came out of Olde AEgypt, and the LAShTAL scholars have identified the conglomeration of these things as having been done in the 1600s, ev, by a Jesuit priest. Other, similar, oddities exist and we are all looking forward to more exposure of illusion.

Additionally, Yahweh was a clerical error made by translator monks in medeival Europe. The basic consonants are there, but adding one's own set of vowels torques the pronunciation of the unpronounceable name ... and we get chaos. Just read the News.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

House 418, where ever it may be

"an invisible house there standeth ..."

But, where is "there?"

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What is bollixed?

The fonts are fading and unstable ... as I reported 3 days ago. Scrolling up and down to reset the page's focus often helps to bring things into perfect view ... then they fade and blur if you anything more.

I just reported this to HQ.

Maybe it is my Borg unit ... but I checked around.

Maybe links and fonts are different.

Maybe the whole matrix is finally breaking down.

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Claim:  ABKALGMORY = 113

This what I get: 5+17+21+5+10+19+14+3+9+15 = 118

The uppercase letters in the first half of the puzzle equal 113: ABKLGMORY.

You had such a knee-jerk reaction to my name being encrypted in the puzzle, I'm surprised your forgot that ABKALGMORY has the same gematria as my name.

You will not believe the irony in you choosing that particular example as a means of falsely accusing me of deception.

P.S. I haven't checked every claim, this would be too exhausting, but I have checked many.

All of my work is verified using a computer, making your accusations more absurd than usual.

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Posted by: @herupakraath

falsely accusing me of deception.

Uh-oh, Nobody better not supply false witnesses in order to belittle or otherwise compromise thy neighbor, his wife, and/or employees.

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All of my work is verified using a computer, making your accusations more absurd than usual.

Uh-oh, artificial mathematics is now invoked, reminding us that the Borg is still with us and that Friar Iff presently stands accused of bearing false witnesses and math deficiencies.

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Posted by: @herupakraath

You will not believe the irony in you choosing that particular example as a means of falsely accusing me of deception.

I don't see any irony here (or experienced any knee-jerking). Also I posted an explanation for my wrong results right after that: That there is also some Lunar Key, which you haven't exactly explained so far (something about Tarot trumps, right?). With this key it then worked, but not with the Tri-Key. As to why sometimes the a counts and sometimes not: It obviously counts when needed it and doesn't count when not needed. See the thread title. Or Thelima. Which has a constructed or intended Gematria value, which you said you never did. Anyway, so far Liber L seems to be nothing more than your calling card (or anyone's whose name has the same value).

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Posted by: @shiva

Um, this historical deviation eulogizes the funny notion that Tarot, Atu, and the Tree came out of Olde AEgypt, and the LAShTAL scholars have identified the conglomeration of these things as having been done in the 1600s, ev, by a Jesuit priest.

With the link between the Atu and the Hebrew alphabet not existing prior to the 18th century.

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Posted by: @shiva

Um, this historical deviation eulogizes the funny notion that Tarot, Atu, and the Tree came out of Olde AEgypt,

No it doesn't, it simply touches upon the fact that ancient cultures were greatly influenced by Egypt's writing and counting system, and at some point those cultures became ignorant of the true origins of such things, and created false histories and mythologies to explain it.

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There's really no evidence for the tarot existing before the Visconti Sforza deck in the 15th century.

The Tree of life itself is one of many emanationist models, themselves deriving primarily from Neoplatonic ideas, with the Kircher Tree having its origin in the 17th century.

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Posted by: @katrice

The Tree of life itself is one of many emanationist models

They were all models of the original tree that grew somewhere to the east in a place called Eden ...

... but, no, the Tree of Life provides Chi - It's the Tree of Knowledge that they have modeled, calling it Life, and may the angels and the saints help us get out of this trap.

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