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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

"All these old letters of my Book are Aright; but [tzaddi] is not The Star"

Now a simple question of opinion and/or preference... Now being that all the LETTERS are aright BUT tzaddi is not the star does that make the lettewr wrong not the Card so you switch the paths location OR do you switch the Card and all its other attributions like Aquarius for instance between the paths of tzaddi and He. Personally I think it makes sense to simply switch the Path Letters not the card itself because switching the Card and its attributions makes plenty of things go out of order like the Card # the order of the Zodiac and many other things... opinions and preferences?


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What do you make of the reference in The Book of Thoth (Samuel Weiser, Inc.) under Part One, The Theory of the Tarot, Section III, The Roman Numbers of the Trumps (pgs. 38-40)? The referred to diagram can be found on pg. 11.


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You keep pretty much all the attributions the same, except that The Emperor and Aries are attributed to Tzaddi while The Star and Aquarius switch to Heh. The paths remain in the same places on the Tree, Tzaddi from Yesod to Netzach and Heh from Tiphareth to Chokmah. So now, when the mind (ruach, in Tiphareth) looks up to the creative aspect of God (in Chokmah), it sees not Old Nobaddady with His throne and beard and all-seeing eye, but the Company of Heaven, Our Lady of the Stars.


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The root of the problem here is that the Tarot and the Tree are two entirely different systems, forced into marriage. There's a few correspondences, obviously, as both systems attempt to express similar mystical philosophies, but they developed separately and should never have been forced together to the extent that they currently are. It's a lot more helpful to study the two systems in isolation from each other, if you can find any study material, particularly on the Tarot, that doesn't mention the Tree. Personally, I think it's about time all the Hebrew symbolism was dumped from the Tarot: the Tarot is bigger than just the Tree of Life, and both systems will benefit from a "divorce", they are strangling each other.


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"Alastrum" wrote:
The root of the problem here is that the Tarot and the Tree are two entirely different systems, forced into marriage. There's a few correspondences, obviously, as both systems attempt to express similar mystical philosophies, but they developed separately and should never have been forced together to the extent that they currently are. It's a lot more helpful to study the two systems in isolation from each other, if you can find any study material, particularly on the Tarot, that doesn't mention the Tree. Personally, I think it's about time all the Hebrew symbolism was dumped from the Tarot: the Tarot is bigger than just the Tree of Life, and both systems will benefit from a "divorce", they are strangling each other.

Nice post Rob,

That is a very interesting notion indeed and something which has over the years resonated with my belief system too.

Best Wishes

Charles


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Ever wonder why there's a fish hook sticking out of that eyeball in Atu XXI: The Universe? Or why the Tetragrammaton uses the Hebrew letter 'He' to signify both Mother (Binah) and Daughter (Malkuth).

It may help to know that Orpheus was sometimes depicted as a fisherman; and his wife, Eurydice, was bitten on the heel by a serpent. One might also consider Eleusis and the myths of Demeter & Persephone.

Those are just a few symbols one must Juggle to understand Thoth's book - a pilgrim's map showing the way out of this 'underworld'. The prize is immortality...or, to be more specific, metempsychosis; but the map is not the territory and the magnum opus is by no means limited to cartography.

Apples, anyone?
http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-3269.phtml


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I would have to say that the Star card is what needs to be changed. If you swap Tzaddi and Heh then you will be changing the numerical value of a lot of words, which in turn would have an enormous knock on effect. Perhaps the Star could related to Venus, the morning star. The Emperor in Heh would work as he is then the embodiement of the power of the will, or its conduit at least


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Also, isnt there a part in liber Al saying not to change the letters in style or value? Change the paths and you change the value


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"MICTLANTECUHTLE" wrote:
Also, isnt there a part in liber Al saying not to change the letters in style or value? Change the paths and you change the value

That's about changing the letters of the Book of the Law themselves. Several times during the dictation of the book, Crowley the scribe made misspellings, and there are also some grammatical errors. As Crowley started to correct them, Aiwass slapped his wrist and said, don't change a thing. On the other hand, he was specifically told that the traditional attribution of Tsaddi to the Star was wrong and charged with the task of finding the correct assignment.


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"gmugmble" wrote:
"MICTLANTECUHTLE" wrote:
Also, isnt there a part in liber Al saying not to change the letters in style or value? Change the paths and you change the value

That's about changing the letters of the Book of the Law themselves. Several times during the dictation of the book, Crowley the scribe made misspellings, and there are also some grammatical errors. As Crowley started to correct them, Aiwass slapped his wrist and said, don't change a thing. On the other hand, he was specifically told that the traditional attribution of Tsaddi to the Star was wrong and charged with the task of finding the correct assignment.

But even so if you change the actual letters then a lot of words and their values are going to be wrong. Suddenly some words are going to have an error of 85 in them. I am sure that a lot of gematria would have to be re-written from scratch to compensate for this.


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The gematria per se doesn't change. Heh is still 5, Tsaddi is still 90. So words will still add to the same numbers. But the interpretation will be different, because Heh will be associated with the Star, Aquarius, etc., while Tsaddi will be associated with the Emperor, alchemical sulfur, Aries, etc.


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"gmugmble" wrote:
The gematria per se doesn't change. Heh is still 5, Tsaddi is still 90. So words will still add to the same numbers. But the interpretation will be different, because Heh will be associated with the Star, Aquarius, etc., while Tsaddi will be associated with the Emperor, alchemical sulfur, Aries, etc.

Personally I think the system integrity is violated if you change the order of the letters. As Hewbrew letters are also numbers then they follow a specific sequence. You change the letter then that sequence is broken.

I think the Crowley attributes work fine and his explanation of how he switches the attributes seems quite logical.


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Consider the possibility that the glyph in chapter 1 is not a tzaddi, and outside the set of letters of the Hebrew alphabet.


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"abn53" wrote:
Consider the possibility that the glyph in chapter 1 is not a tzaddi, and outside the set of letters of the Hebrew alphabet.

Why should we consider this when the writer of the text assures us that it means Tzaddi? Note also that Crowley never claims that his hand was automatically controlled by some unseen force, only that he wrote what he heard. If he didn't hear "Tzaddi", what did he intend to write here?

It's just a hasty Tzaddi, which is a difficult letter to draw if you don't write it everyday and have your own style, and often easy to get confused with Ayin. It's clearly a Tzaddi; it can't be anything else, considering both the context (Tzaddi was the letter attributed to the Star by the GD), and the writer's own claims that it was Tzaddi.

As far as I'm concerned, the notion that the letter there isn't meant to be Tzaddi is nonsense.


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This seems to be a constant stumbling block for myself and those I've spoken to. Some interesting expositions on the switch from James A. Eshelman (776 1/2 p.3 [2010]):

    "Heh, the letter primarily associated in Qabalah with the Divine Mother, whose numerical value is 5 (which most readily brings to mind the image of a pentagram), corresponds to Trump 17 called The Star, a beautiful image of the Great Mother and of maternal love, and to the constellation Aquarius which the ancient Egyptians called "the Celestial Nile" and by which they symbolized the vast body of infinite space which we call the goddess Nuit.
    "Tzaddi, a letter etymologically associated with ideas of paternity, corresponds to Trump 4, The Emperor, prime symbol of paternal will; and to the constellation Aries. Its numerical value is 90, the number of degrees in each angle of a square. Thus, the numbers 4 and 90 are inherently related."

He then goes on to speak of an allegory in the Zohar concerning the order of the Hebrew alphabet (translator unknown by myself, spoken by Elohim):

"Tzaddi, Tzaddi, thou art truly righteous, but thou must keep thyself concealed, and thy occult meaning must not be made known or become revealed, and therefore thou must not be used in the creation of the world."

    Would Crowley have been aware of this passage? My assumption is yes, though I'm just going off the likelihood of his regarding of the Zohar as important.
    In the key scale system, are the Tarot and Astrological attributions the only correspondences to be switched in regard to lines 15 and 28 in "777"? Or the Perfumes, Deities, etc? By the time The Book Of Thoth was published, he had accepted the switch, and most, perhaps all, of these correlations were already changed up in the tables.
Agapechom


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abn53
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If one considers the path of Heh in Liber 231, then RHK is the Emperor. It does not refer to the Star.
Also, Liber VII Ch. 5, verse 5 describes the Star card as a woman kneeling by the bank of a stream....

These are both Class A references  Any thoughts?


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