Never mind the documentaries, where is US distribution of the hot sauce and pies?
Nah, you still only get it from England, which after Brexit is for you (and me) like NZL or Gambia. I gladly ordered 3 (1,5 to go). If you get enough people to order the shipping costs could be shared. They got GREAT curry too!
I watched the documentary.
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Thanx for letting us know; many were wondering if you had done so.
Are you just taunting us un-British foreigners by not even saying whether or not you ordered the sauce?
Thanx for letting us know; many were wondering if you had done so.
Just keeping it on topic, this ain't no sauce thread. You won't like the documentary as you hate woolly hippy ramblings and believe me it has plenty of that.
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Just keeping it on topic, this ain't no sauce thread
Just keeping it on topic, MORE of the new KJ may be heard here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tof7-wn_1s0
You won't like the documentary as you hate woolly hippy ramblings and believe me it has plenty of that
I'll add that artists who make great art sometimes have erroneous and misguided views elsewhere. It doesn't change the value of their art. Remember, Beethoven's 3rd was originally dedicated to Napoleon. The Maestro's views of Napoleon would change-but the glory of the symphony transcends any figure of temporal power.
And also-people are interesting. Some feel that artists can be separated from their work. I never felt that way. If someone's art impressed me, I was very interested in who they were, what went into the creation of the art that riveted me.
Blake had a vision of the Universal Brotherhood and I am sure he had it with greater clarity than I do. But I do resonate with his understanding that we are all "God" and we are in a process of self-revelation. While we work this out in our own sphere, we also behold the Divine Life emerging in others around us. It's a fascinating process. I believe it has even been called "The Great Work." And we can certainly forgive in others any error we observe when we are taken with-and inspired by-the "Poetic Genius" rushing through them with a thousand thunders.
But I do resonate with his understanding that we are all "God" and we are in a process of self-revelation.
If you resonate, then there's a something in you that is on the same frequency ... maybe just a harmonic or two apart, and so you have (probably) (at least) brushed up against that "state" wherein all this is true and self-evident.
It does not always appear to be true and self-evident in what we call "normal" (worldly) consciousness.
where is US distribution of the hot sauce
I've been working on making an elixir from this basic combo, adding garlic, parsley, extra virgin olive oil and other ingredients.
Whatever you do, don't make a ritual unguent with it!
One of the things with KJ I appreciate compared to many other popular music acts that have referenced Crowley (COUGHCOUGHOZZYCOUGHMARILYNMANSONCOUGHCOUGH) is that Jaz Coleman and the boys at least know that Liber AL Vel Legis exists and are familiar with the outlines of Thelema, as well as books such as Liber 333. Jaz has also referenced Kenneth Grant before.
That said, I think it's likely the same as the Danny Carey situation, a book collector with a passing intellectual interest in The Great Beast 666 before moving onto other things. I don't think that either Jaz Coleman or Danny Carey are at all Thelemites in any serious sense of the word. But at least unlike the aforementioned cough in my throat, they were not merely in it for the theatrics.
Seeing various documentary and interview materials, I think that Jaz and KJ were more closer to Chaos Magic and vague Neopagan ideas in their actual beliefs than Thelema, even if Thelema formed a big subtext of what KJ were experimenting with in their music up until at least 1994. However KJ seem to have had a larger priority towards conspiracy type ideas as well as activism themes in their music rather than explicit occult themes all the time.
KJ's relationship to Thelema reminds me a bit of Coil's relationship to Thelema and John Dee. They had soaked it up but were doing other things.
"There is none that shall be cast down or lifted up: all is ever as it was." - Liber Legis 2:58
"To Me do ye reverence! to me come ye through tribulation of ordeal, which is bliss." - Liber Legis 3:62
Apparently Jaz Coleman is a Gnostic Priest at some kind of Gnostic Church somewhere in New Zealand but I haven't been able to find any more info
"There is none that shall be cast down or lifted up: all is ever as it was." - Liber Legis 2:58
"To Me do ye reverence! to me come ye through tribulation of ordeal, which is bliss." - Liber Legis 3:62
Jaz Coleman is a Gnostic Priest
I mean who isn't these days?
Actually, i am a mere Universal Life Church Minister, ordained since age 14 when i saw the mail-order ordination address in Abbie Hoffman's Steal This Book (which taught me many ways to get into trouble without getting into trouble, if you take my meaning and i think you do).
And i was a Boy Scout once, actually at the same time (although i was expelled from the dread fraternity known among men as B.'. S.'. A.'., the initiations still count on the astral plane).
And i am a New York City Licensed Wedding Officiant, with a certificate signed by the City Clerk and everything.
So practically the same thing.
And i was a Boy Scout once,
Any useful skills acquired there?
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Any useful skills acquired there?
Fuck, yeah. Stuff i still use quite often in my adult life as someone who camps, and hangs out in the woods a lot.
Hiking, camping skills: Map-reading and making, using a compass, walking long distances, taking care of your feet when doing so, packing your pack (those old '70s external frame ladder packs, sold mine in Kabul (Afghanistan) for drug money 5 years later) efficiently, building and lighting a fire with one match even in rain, setting up tents, cooking in camp, digging and maintaining shit-holes, more firearms skills (was already on school rifle team), probably other stuff that slips my mind.
Non-outdoor shit: Bead-work, whittling and wood-carving, sewing, leather-craft, making moccasins and other cultural-appropriation gear, soldering and wiring basic circuits, dealing with asshole kids, dealing with asshole adults.
I loved the camping etc, hated stuff like "uniform inspection", which is what led to my departure (not the pot-smoking on camping trips, surprisingly, but it was the early '70s).
There i was with my long hair (which they hated but could say nothing about), my Scout neckerchief, with hand-carved slide, my shirt with all my badges and insignia, and campout pins, my Scout belt, Levis, and hiking boots (with Scout socks).
The Scoutmaster said "Where's your pants, [ignant]?"
I said "I thought i was wearing them!" The official charge was "insolence". But my job at the hippie bookstore and the new weed connect i met there were taking up more of my time by that age anyway. But 11-14 it was good.
No one ever tried to sexually molest me, at least no adults, but maybe i wasn't cute enough.
Actually, i am a mere Universal Life Church Minister
Me too. We can change the title to anything we want. ULC is non-denominational and has no dogma. It was/is a device to break the grip of the traditionally-ordained priestcraft of spiritual con artists.
New York City Licensed Wedding Officiant
Now this is impressive. For those who don't know the ropes in church/state relations (called "law"), anyone anywhere, including your dog or cat or horus, can get ordained as a Rev or a Min, and they can call themselves whatever they want, and they can found orders open churches. All free or low-fee. If they/you collect donations, things start to get sticky (corporations - non-profit fed status).
Mins, Revs, Gnostic Priests, Warlocks may legally preside and mumble at baptisms and deaths ... but they/you cannot legally marry a couple of self-realized and self-identified people ... unless you take the next step and register with the secular Establishment - which Ignant has done - which is more than I have done.
Become an Ordained Minister
Get Ordained Online, Officiate A Wedding
They also offer degrees. I am an ULC Doctor of Metaphysics and there's a Doctor of Divinity around here somewhere. I think they also offer PhDs and such. Of course, these are religious degrees, and they hold no weight in real academia or in the marketplace. But anytime you need to catch up with the doctorates, this is the place to go.
So practically the same thing.
Um, as a certified wedding-doer, your degree mught be higher than a no-stick priest, if the priest don't have the marrying authority.
Note: In the real world, licenses, permits, and incorporations normally have more "power" than degrees. This would also apply to vocational education. Only upon reaching higher academia (as a prof or such) do the degrees count more.
----- I checked. No PhDs. All degrees are now honorary. In my (our) time, they were actually earned degrees - not stupid honorary deals.
I have done 4 marriages:
- Woman/Tree: I married my hippie girlfriend to a tree when i was 15 (at her request), mid '70s. Result: She is dead for many years, never married again, not sure about the tree.
- Man/Woman, late '90s: Divorce, man died, woman was on her third marriage by then, that one has stuck.
- Man/Woman, 2014: Happily married, 6 year old daughter of astonishing adorable-ness.
- Man/Woman, 2016: Happily married, no plans to breed.
The last one was the one i had to get the NYC license for, it was a lot of paperwork, and getting "records" from ULC HQ, etc. Or, probably, "donating" to have them created, i suspect, as i doubt there are any church records, and certainly not back to 1973. I used to have a minister ID card signed by Bishop Kirby Hensley, which Shiva at least will appreciate, but that was lost by the early '80s. I also have a priest shirt with the dog collar from a thrift shop.
The first one may have been of dubious legal force, as many US states to this day do not yet recognize human-arboreal conjugal rights. The second two were NY state, but outside NYC, which is uptight about us fly-by-night mail-order ministers.
I used to have a minister ID card signed by Bishop Kirby Hensley, which Shiva at least will appreciate ...
I stopped by the ULC (the real original Church building in Modesto, CA) one day. Kirby greeted me warmly and showed me all the rooms. I particularly remember the basement - that's where the offices were. All neat and tidy. Rev Hensley was an extroverted enthusiast.
This might probably possibly been in the mid to late 70s. I was on my way to (or from) Sacramento. I see they have moved their office to Sacramento, these days.
Any useful skills acquired there?
Fuck, yeah. Stuff i still use quite often in my adult life as someone who camps, and hangs out in the woods a lot.
Hiking, camping skills: Map-reading and making, using a compass, walking long distances, taking care of your feet when doing so, packing your pack (those old '70s external frame ladder packs, sold mine in Kabul (Afghanistan) for drug money 5 years later) efficiently, building and lighting a fire with one match even in rain, setting up tents, cooking in camp, digging and maintaining shit-holes, more firearms skills (was already on school rifle team), probably other stuff that slips my mind.
Non-outdoor shit: Bead-work, whittling and wood-carving, sewing, leather-craft, making moccasins and other cultural-appropriation gear, soldering and wiring basic circuits, dealing with asshole kids, dealing with asshole adults.
I loved the camping etc, hated stuff like "uniform inspection", which is what led to my departure (not the pot-smoking on camping trips, surprisingly, but it was the early '70s).
There i was with my long hair (which they hated but could say nothing about), my Scout neckerchief, with hand-carved slide, my shirt with all my badges and insignia, and campout pins, my Scout belt, Levis, and hiking boots (with Scout socks).
The Scoutmaster said "Where's your pants, [ignant]?"
I said "I thought i was wearing them!" The official charge was "insolence". But my job at the hippie bookstore and the new weed connect i met there were taking up more of my time by that age anyway. But 11-14 it was good.
No one ever tried to sexually molest me, at least no adults, but maybe i wasn't cute enough.
I regret refusing to join the scouts for many of the reasons you outlined. For example I was useless for my friend when we later went to a rock festival with his tent. How do you 'solder' in the middle of nowhere? Don't you need electricity? Also, lighting a fire with one (match) strike and it's out (pun intended) what's the secret?
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
what's the secret?
Practice (and skill). The secret is discovered by going solo into the wilderness. After some days, one either "gets the secret," or they die.
@david-dom-lemieux
Yeppers; Scouts was great. I got my Eagle Scout - if I hadn't done orienteering in scouts, or basic camp craft, I never could have led my basic combat training team in learning mapping. It is super useful.
Now whenever we go hiking around here I always take a mega map of all the trails, knife, compass, lighter etc.
Another 'merit badge' I really enjoyed was horsemanship . Cleaning, feeding, riding, saddling, tacking, mucking the horse stall etc.
Funnily enough the best nights sleep I ever had camping bar none was when for Order of the Arrow they used to make us go out and sleep alone in the woods with only a tarp and a sleeping bag. No cover or fire.
My troop here in the States was crazy kind of .I wonder if they could do half the stuff today. We went camping Rocky Mountain National park in January and February, which as you may imagine is a frost bite hell if you aren't careful. Made snow caves....good times.
Scouts was great. I got my Eagle Scout
Indeed. I'm also an Eagle. To this day, I feel a certain shameful defeat if a fire isn't started and brought into a roaring blaze with a single match.
Camping has hardcore. The tents weighed a ton. Heavy canvas-not these light weight pop things in vogue today. Camped in the winter with an 80 below wind chill. It's amazing we didn't die. Instead we got the "Polar Bear" Award and a nifty sew on patch. AC certainly would have approved of the training. Esp. pitching a tent onto frozen ground in January.
Also, no pervs or molesters in my Troop that I was ever aware of. The Scoutmasters were all decent human beings who gave a lot of time from their lives to make a difference in our lives.
Funnily enough the best nights sleep I ever had camping bar none was when for Order of the Arrow they used to make us go out and sleep alone in the woods with only a tarp and a sleeping bag. No cover or fire.
I was never in Order of the Arrow. Big congrats to you, Chris! 🙂
An Eagle Scout is way up there - comparable to Adeptship on the higher reflection. I never got past stage 1, where you put on your BS shirt, a cap, a pair of jeans, and shoes. I never got a merit badge in anything. I do not remember ever lighting a fire (there in BS land). If I attended more than 8 or 10 meetings, I do not remember them. I do not remember being at any meeting, except for a fuzzy image of being there.
Due to my lack of formal BS skills (I learned the basics in my back yard, which was big), Destiny decided to run me through the US Army, the Rodeo Club, the Build a Ranch from Scratch program, twice, and Medical School.
All this fancy training and experience cannot compare to an Eagle who did this stuff as a kid. They may survive 'til '25. I might, too.