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WildWitch
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19/03/2018 2:13 pm  

In honour of Christibrani's folder for "Our Favourite Films", I'd like to posit a folder for "Our Favourite Music".
Here are (some of) my favourites:

Marilyn Manson
Ozzy Ozbourne
Lacuna Coil
Black Sabbath
Type O Negative
The Beatles
Dream Theater
The Moody Blues
The Rolling Stones
Cream
Slayer

I hope my favourites are your favourites. List your favourites now.


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19/03/2018 3:29 pm  

Well, yes. I like some of those musical artists. But what does this have to do with Aleister Crowley?


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22/03/2018 4:06 am  

Well, yes. I like some of those musical artists. But what does this have to do with Aleister Crowley?

The Devil is in the details. Ozzy Osbourne performed a song named Mr. Crowley. The Beatles featured Crowley's picture on the cover of Sergeant Pepper's. The Moody Blues recorded a tune named Dear Diary, and we know how adamant Crowley was when it comes to keeping a magical record. Sympathy For The Devil as recorded by The Stones is an obvious allusion to Crowley. Sunshine of Your Love by Cream is clearly inspired by Crowley's desire to be addressed as Little Sunshine. There: thread saved.


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22/03/2018 2:57 pm  

H: The Devil is in the details.

Sure ... but this thread is Favorite Music, and all kinds of non-AC things are being listed.

Choronzon is dispersion. He is working this thread.

Now if the title was Favorite Music that includes AC references, that would be more like the real thing ... for LAShTAL.


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22/03/2018 5:17 pm  

I suppose the simple solution would be to move this to the off topic forum or sandbox or whatever.

I will bite; currently my favourite musical artists to listen to this past month or so in no order are:

David Bowie
Triptykon
Judas Priest
Led Zeppelin
Celtic Frost
Alcest
Meshuggah
Radiohead
Smashing Pumpkins
Travis
Enya
Deftones
Tears for Fears
Depeche Mode

and theres some others I like a lot but havent listened to in maybe a few months:
Beck
Autechre
Aphex Twin
Cornelius
Underworld
Bjork
The Beatles
Beach Boys
Takako Minekawa
Fleetwood Mac
Jimi Hendrix
Kraftwerk
etc etc


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23/03/2018 9:51 am  

@herupakraath

Sympathy For The Devil as recorded by The Stones is an obvious allusion to Crowley.

I've always felt the same. Although the Stones have never openly admitted it to my knowledge.

Lyrics to "Sympathy for the Devil" :

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a mans soul and faith
And I was round when jesus christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game
I stuck around st. Petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain
I rode a tank
Held a generals rank
When the blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah
I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made
I shouted out,
Who killed the kennedys?
When after all
It was you and me
Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for troubadours
Who get killed before they reached bombay
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's confusing you
Is just the nature of my game
Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints
As heads is tails
Just call me lucifer
Cause I'm in need of some restraint
So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste, um yeah
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, um yeah
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, um mean it, get down
Woo, who
Oh yeah, get on down
Oh yeah
Oh yeah!
Tell me baby, what's my name
Tell me honey, can ya guess my name
Tell me baby, what's my name
I tell you one time, you're to blame
Ooo, who
Ooo, who
Ooo, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Oh, yeah
What's my name
Tell me, baby, what's my name
Tell me, sweetie, what's my name
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Oh, yeah
Songwriters: KEITH RICHARDS, MICK JAGGER
Sympathy For The Devil lyrics © Abkco Music, Inc.


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23/03/2018 12:26 pm  

@elitemachinery

What in the lyrics do you see as an allusion is to Crowley?


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23/03/2018 2:43 pm  

Does anyone know that Marilyn Manson had admitted to being in the OTO? Some of the lyrics in some of his songs were inspired by "Diary of a Drug Fiend" as well as Liber AL vel Legis.


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23/03/2018 4:29 pm  

@michael-staley

What in the lyrics do you see as an allusion is to Crowley?

"Please allow me to introduce myself
I’m a man of wealth and taste
I’ve been around for a long, long year
Stole many a mans soul and faith"

A wealthy man anti-Christian?

"Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game
I stuck around st. Petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain"

Doing covert intelligence work?

"I rode a tank
Held a generals rank
When the blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank"

Alive during World War II? Had influence on the Hitler and the Nazis? Didn't his best friend Fuller design the blitzkrieg?

"Tell me baby, what’s my name
Tell me honey, can ya guess my name
Tell me baby, what’s my name"

Maybe it's just Lucifer or Satan or The Devil. But he keeps asking "What's my name?"

Supposedly it was influenced by Jaggers associations with Kenneth Anger at the time. But i've never heard anyone say that SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL was "an obvious allusion to Crowley" as @herupakraath did. I guess it was just something that I felt and thought. I don't think it's obvious but for me the influence at least is there.


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23/03/2018 5:18 pm  

oh yes I like Manson a lot as well. I saw him live for the first time in January; it was very well done.

I don't think he was ever in the OTO, but he has/had membership in the Curch of Satan. He is mostly a poser as far as occult practises go, is my understanding.


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23/03/2018 6:59 pm  

@elitemachinery

Thanks for your reply, EM. Personally I think it's more likely a reference to Lucifer or Satan, but it's a matter of opinion.

[posted a reply on these lines a couple of hours ago, but it seems to have disappeared]


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26/03/2018 1:57 pm  

@herupakraath

Sympathy For The Devil as recorded by The Stones is an obvious allusion to Crowley.

"obvious allusion" could be considered an oxymoron no? I've never heard anyone say this before so it intrigued me because it's something that I felt yet cannot prove.

@michael-staley

I think it’s more likely a reference to Lucifer or Satan, but it’s a matter of opinion.

You are most likely correct. There is nothing absolute in the lyrics but when the music and lyrics fuse and you consider the context of the time perhaps a loose connection can be made (especially considering Kenneth Anger's influence on the Stones.) It was more or less just a feeling I had.

The song was recorded in June 1968 just days before the release of the film Rosemary's Baby in theaters. It was all part of the grand theater present during the "Satanic 60's" as I like to call them. The shadow side of the Peace/Love movement that began (about the same time) when Anton LaVey "declared the founding of the Church of Satan and proclaimed 1966 as 'the Year One'" (wikipedia)

The next summer (1969) were the grisly Tate murders and one could make a case that all these events led up to this inevitable end. Sympathy for the Devil is a powerful song nonetheless.


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28/03/2018 2:17 am  

elitemachine: “obvious allusion” could be considered an oxymoron no?

No? Why, yes, that is correct. We can think, hope, pray, and wail, but we really don't know anything unless, say Mick Jagger got up on stage or on TV, and says, "Crowley is the Devil in my Song." Other stoned musicians than Jagger could also qualify.

"Obvious" relates to observe, observing, observation, etc., which means seeing in some form or tense.


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28/03/2018 8:40 am  

Sure allusions can be obvious. Poetry is historically full of obvious allusions - "...Waked by the circling Hours, with rosy hand...". So is colloquial speech, e.g., referring to someone's weakness as their "Achilles' heal". The opacity of allusions, evidently comes in degrees, and may be stratified throughout a singular word or phrase. Finnegans Wake is brimming with examples. Consider just a small portion of its opening "sentence": "riverrun, past Eve and Adam's...". "Eve and Adam's" is clearly a biblical allusion; it is, however, less obviously an allusion to an actual place in Dublin, namely the Church of the Immaculate Conception, known also as Adam and Eve's for the tavern that used to occupy the site on which it was built. The opacity of the allusion apparently depends on one's knowledge. Someone not familiar with Homer won't find Milton's allusion to his work in the quote above evident. The allusion to the church in Finnegans Wake is only evident to me because I have read about it. Consequently, it is now rather evident to me that this phrase also contains an allusion to the work itself, in which a tavern figures largely. If allusions were never obvious, how would we ever identify them when they occurred?

In keeping with the spirit of the thread I'll leave with this, but only this one mention of my favorite music, because I'm tired and I've gone on long enough with these certainties and safe assumptions; but I won't be turned out to grass therefore, only hit the hay.

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28/03/2018 10:06 am  

@arthuremerson

Sure allusions can be obvious.

The opacity of the allusion apparently depends on one’s knowledge.

Has anyone ever asked The Beatles why they have Aleister Crowley's Sign's of the Grades on the cover of their HELP album?

help

This to me is a VERY obvious allusion.

The film although humorous and light has many occult references. It opens with the cult sacrifice of a woman:

wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help!_(film)

An eastern cult (a parody of the Thuggee cult) is about to sacrifice a woman to the goddess Kaili. Just as she is about to be killed, the high priestess of the cult, Ahme, notices that she is not wearing the sacrificial ring.

@shiva

We can think, hope, pray, and wail, but we really don’t know anything unless, say Mick Jagger got up on stage or on TV, and says, “Crowley is the Devil in my Song."

I think Jagger has only moved toward obfuscating his original influences rather than clarifying them. He now sites Baudelaire as an influence of the songwriting of Sympathy for the Devil. Songwriters can often be coy or silent about such things as explaining lyrics or songs.


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29/03/2018 1:54 am  

The Beatles are pretty clearly using sempahore signals to spell "HELP!", not the giving Signs of the Grades- except that actually they are spelling out "NUJV".

According to Wikipedia:

The album cover for the Beatles' 1965 album Help! was to have portrayed the four band members spelling "help" in semaphore, but the result was deemed aesthetically unpleasing, and their arms were instead positioned in a meaningless but aesthetically pleasing arrangement.

Perhaps the "meaningless but aesthetically pleasing arrangement" really does conceal the Signs. Thanx for posting this intriguing tit-bit.


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29/03/2018 7:14 am  

@ignant666

As a kid it always occurred to me as semaphore symbols like someone on the ground communicating with an airplane. I always just assumed it spelled H-E-L-P.

Here are some quotes and more "obvious allusions" from around the web:

from: thenumbernineblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/20/ive-opened-up-the-doors/

The arm positions were not anywhere close to spelling H-E-L-P in semaphore. It is quite possible that the Beatles are actually using ritual signs here on their HELP! album cover.

Here we have in 1965, what seems to be a direct link to Crowley’s Thelema once again in the form of yet another iconic Beatles album cover.

signs

from: feelnumb.com/2009/03/31/the-beatles-nujv-help/

Ringo Starr is in the position of The Magician from the Tarot (note the position of his hand exposing the ring). It is an homage to Aleister Crowley. Look for yourself.

from: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_Masters

Past Masters is a two-disc compilation album set by the Beatles, released in 1988

from: thebeatles.com/album/past-masters (Beatles official website)

Past Masters contains 33 non-album Beatles tracks

from: masonicdictionary.com/past.html

PAST MASTER

An honorary Degree usually conferred on the Master of a Lodge at his installation into office. In this Degree the necessary instructions are conferred respecting the various ceremonies of the Order, such as installations, processions, the laying of corner-stones, etc. When a Brother, who has never before presided, has been elected the Master of a Lodge, an emergent Lodge of Past Masters, consisting of not less than three, is convened, and all but Past Masters retiring, the Degree is conferred upon the newly elected officer.

from: masonicinfo.com/33rdsrule.htm

The 33rd ("and last") Degree of the Scottish Rite is an honorary degree, conferred for exceptional service to Freemasonry.


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29/03/2018 9:00 pm  

I always thought Jagger was inspired to write SftD after reading Bulgakov's Master and the Margarita, a book which had been given to him by Marianne Faithfull.


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29/03/2018 11:43 pm  

So has the world gone mad here or what?

'Sympathy for the Devil' has bollox all to do with Crowley. It's clearly about 'the Devil' and how he saw to Christ's death and later killed the Kennedies etc etc

.... and you seriously think that yokels like The Beatles knew about The Golden Dawn in 1965?

DAMN!!!

What next? The 28IF car licence plate nonsense?


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30/03/2018 12:46 am  

Can more ppl please comment on their favourite bands/music?

I would love to hear, literally.

I play drums the past 22 yrs and am getting stale with a lot of the music out lately.


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30/03/2018 1:10 am  

Yeah sure;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CShopT9QUzw


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30/03/2018 7:15 am  

@dom

‘Sympathy for the Devil’ has bollox all to do with Crowley. It’s clearly about ‘the Devil’ and how he saw to Christ’s death and later killed the Kennedies etc etc

You are 100% CORRECT. But some people including @herupakraath and myself think Jagger might be alluding to Crowley. It's just a hunch not a conspiracy. Don't lose any sleep over it.

you seriously think that yokels like The Beatles knew about The Golden Dawn in 1965?

Yes. A year later they put Crowley on the Sgt Peppers album. A bold move for the world's most popular band. Putting Crowley's Signs of the Grades on the HELP album cover is an even bolder move IMHO.

But explaining it away as a "meaningless but aesthetically pleasing arrangement" (wikipedia) is an "obvious diversion."

from: thenumbernineblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/20/ive-opened-up-the-doors/

Again we have to ask- if this is indeed the intended symbolism- was it put forth by the Beatles themselves, the photographer of the photo shoot, Robert Freeman or another nefarious figure(s) working behind the Wizard’s curtain?
With the other themes and mysteries we have explored in thenumbernineblog, you may possibly be wondering why the “Osiris Risen” ritual sign was omitted from the cover. Perhaps that negates the whole thing. On that note, I would like to share the following outtake from this photoshoot in the Swiss Alps.

Here we have Paul in the “Osiris Risen” ritual sign. A theme so common as we have seen. The resurrected god figure. Intriguing isn’t it?

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30/03/2018 7:20 am  

Ringo's pose is the most obvious allusion.

from: thelemapedia.org/index.php/Ritual_Signs

Earth. The God Set fighting.....swing the right arm up and forward at a 45° angle, with the left arm back and down, also at a 45° angle

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30/03/2018 8:30 am  

@dom

What next? The 28IF car licence plate nonsense?

Here's John Lennon using more ritual hand signs in another meaningless display. Probably trying to say "I love you" or something.

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30/03/2018 9:29 am  

Here we have Paul in the “Osiris Risen” ritual sign.

......not.

Nothing like the Osiris Risen sign. More of a "i'm in a straightjacket" mimicry.

As for the HELP cover it was probably a matter of, "Ok fellas when I say 'Cheese' I want to each try and spell the word HELP (even though asking someone to make like an H or an E or an L and a P is pretty difficult task and look what you get)....then it would've been, "Oh fuck it that'll do".

The Beatles only starting getting all philosophical and intellectual after they met Dylan and took LSD at a later date. Well known fact. Prior to this they were yokels albeit astute students of music.

Reading conspiratorial secret messages into the publicity photos that pop stars spontaneously present to the paparazzi is for teenagers and idiots in general. What next? Lady gaga and Beyonce giving it "the Illuminati" eye pose?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5TcPEzWgg0

What happened to this forum? When did it become Facebook?


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30/03/2018 10:04 am  

@dom

The Beatles only starting getting all philosophical and intellectual after they met Dylan and took LSD at a later date. Well known fact. Prior to this they were yokels albeit astute students of music.

I stand corrected. As you are someone who "knows everything" I will be sure to check with you first in the future.

Reading conspiratorial secret messages into the publicity photos that pop stars spontaneously present to the paparazzi is for teenagers and idiots in general. What next? Lady gaga and Beyonce giving it “the Illuminati” eye pose?

We're not doing that here. We are talking about a direct link the Crowley's work from a band that admired Crowley and spoke of him. You don't have to look at what others see.

The idea that the Beatles used Crowley's imagery and teachings at times is nothing new.

paul

Nor is it new to suggest that they were sometimes a bit clever or coy about getting their point across.

What happened to this forum? When did it become Facebook?

Idiot. #threadlock


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30/03/2018 12:40 pm  

@elitemachinery

We’re not doing that here. We are talking about a direct link the Crowley’s work from a band that admired Crowley and spoke of him.

You seriously think that any of The Beatles were ardent students of the output of Aleister Crowley? You think that Lennon or Ringo (lol for chrissake) rigorously studied Crowley's writings or had even heard of Aiwass or that they worked through Magick in theory and practice or could hold a discussion on Notes for an Astral Atlas or Liber Vel Jugorum or Eight lectures on yoga? Haha thanks for the laugh. They put a photo of Crowley on the front of the Pepper album i.e. "people we like" which included Carl Jung and Albert Einstein. So what?

So Einstein and Jung were on the cover also. Similarly do you reckon that Ringo or Paul could have given a basic explanation of why E=MC2 or what the Collective Unconscious is supposed to be? (Talking of which you should be sending me some money for this basic psychiatric session). Likewise I am pretty confident that the extent of their knowledge of Crowley didn't go beyond, "Peace and love maaaan, let it all hang out maaan, do what you will maaaan"


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30/03/2018 5:47 pm  

Dom: you should be sending me some money for this basic psychiatric session

Did you know that practicing medicine without a license is against the Law and could result in you paying money (it's called a "fine") and/or incarceration?


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30/03/2018 8:03 pm  

Shiva I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume that you are joking in thinking that I was genuinely asking for money for my reply to someone's post on this forum. Either way it's hilarious. Well done and no i do not want money from anyone for my hahaha for my posts.


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31/03/2018 5:30 pm  

Dom: i do not want money from anyone for my hahaha for my posts.

Of course I was joking.

However, you are guilty of practicing medicine without a license. One doesn't have to receive or demand money. The crime is in representing one's self as a psychiatrist, and especially giving free advice under that false banner.

We'll just let it go ... this time.


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31/03/2018 7:12 pm  

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03/04/2018 12:25 am  

I will bite on the OT.

Like my list for the "favorite Movies" thread, there is little ooky-spooky "occult" stuff here, and little connection to Thelema to be seen.

Similarly to the kinds of movies i like, the music i like is big on individual vs. the herd themes, rebellion against social and formal strictures and structures, and violence/aggression. So maybe more Thelemic than it might seem at first glance?

In no particular order:

The Stooges [my favorite band of all time]
MC-5
Velvet Underground
The Who
Bad Brains
Black Flag
Mott The Hoople
Slade
Black Oak Arkansas
Ornette Coleman
Eric Dolphy
John Coltrane
Marvin Gaye
David Bowie
Black Sabbath
The Fall
KISS
Captain Beefheart
Dr. Feelgood
John Lee Hooker
Patti Smith Group
Ohio Players
Parliament/Funkadelic
Blue Oyster Cult
Jimmy Castor Bunch


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03/04/2018 12:40 am  

Comparing my list to the few others that have responded to the OT, and the other artists mentioned in passing, i have a comment: Y'all people need to stop listening to so much music by white people.

Other than david's possibly facetious mention of Donna Summer, i am the sole person to mention any music by black folks.

"Free your ass, and your mind will follow" as George Clinton (Parliament/Funkadelic) said. P/F were members of the Process Church of the Final Judgment in the early 70s, and have taken more LSD than you have unless your name is Shiva, for those that must have a "Thelemic" connection to all culture before consuming.

Clinton also said (speaking of "the art and science of causing change in conformity with Will") that

Funk not only moves, it can re-move, dig?
The desired effect is what you get
When you improve your Interplanetary Funksmanship. [...]
Once upon a time called Now!
Somebody said, "Is there funk after death?"
I said, "Is Seven Up?" [...]
Make my funk the P-Funk
I want my funk uncut
Make my funk the P-Funk
I wants to get funked up.
I want the bomb,
I want the P-Funk.

https://youtu.be/KOiY2WcU9HQ


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03/04/2018 3:16 am  

Thank you, Tiger, for the absolutely smoking live P-Funk clip. I tried but failed to find a live version of the song i posted from the Mothership Earth Tour.

The opening shot of the eye in the triangle atop a pyramid ought to be an indicator that the Funk Mob are working in areas that may be of interest to Thelemites.

Here is one for the "Space Migration" fans like david- an alien Mothership landing live on camera (at about 9 minutes in), and an actual alien Space Brother (in all senses of the word "brother"), Dr. Funkenstein emerging (at about 10 minutes in), to provide a message to the earth people- "It [reality] ain't no good unless you can play with it":

https://youtu.be/uQFGkGk4PSc

Crowley would have approved:

Magicians have not confined themselves to the use of the human voice. The Pan-pipe with its seven stops, corresponding to the seven planets, the bull-roarer, the tom-tom, and even the violin, have all been used, as well as many others, of which the most important is the bell. Of all these, the tom-tom will be found to be the most generally useful. [...]
A singular and world-famous example of this is of sufficiently recent date to be fresh in the memory of many people now living. At a nigger camp meeting in the "United" States of America, devotees were worked up to such a pitch of excitement that the whole assembly developed a furious form of hysteria. The comparatively intelligible cries of "Glory" and "Hallelujah" no longer expressed the situation. Somebody screamed out "Ta-ra-ra-boom-de-ay!", and this was taken up by the whole meeting and yelled continuously, until reaction set in. The affair got into the papers, and some particularly bright disciple of John Stuart Mill, logician and economist, thought that these words, having set one set of fools crazy, might do the same to all the other fools in the world. He accordingly wrote a song, and produced the desired result. This is the most notorious example of recent times of the power exerted by a barbarous name of evocation.

MITP, ch. IX, "Of Silence and Secrecy and of the Barbarous Names of Evocation"


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03/04/2018 3:45 am  

White people on acid:

white ppl on acid

Brother on acid:

Brother on acid

I know which i'd pick if i was looking for "Light, Life, Love, and Liberty".


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03/04/2018 4:32 am  

ignant666 P-Funk Is Amazing thanks for re introducing them to me !


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03/04/2018 6:16 am  

6 minutes into it
any one know who the tattoo artist is ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5AIisWNvM4


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03/04/2018 5:22 pm  

Ignant says:
'Comparing my list to the few others that have responded to the OT, and the other artists mentioned in passing, i have a comment: Y’all people need to stop listening to so much music by white people.'

I answer, why?

Can't we like the music we like without caring what the people who made it, look like?

And FYR I have non-white artists in my list:
Takako Minekawa
Cornelius
Jimi Hendrix
and I could add John Coltrane and Charlie Parker, but again I would ask you, why, what's the point?

This isn't racial studies class in some liberal arts college, it's about the music we like the sound of. lol

Hear What Thou Wilt Shall be part of the Law, without stopping to check their photo to see if fit the state-mandated quota for 'diversity.'


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03/04/2018 6:22 pm  

Of course folks should listen to the music they like, and i was just commenting on the racial monoculture in Lashtalians's announced music taste after noticing it. And making a joke about it with the line you quote.

I didn't mention the lack of "non-white" artists BTW, i mentioned the lack of music by black people. If you don't understand that "what the people who made it look like" often influences what the music sounds like (and who listens to it), consider the possibility that this might be so, and that you might have something to learn here. Or maybe not; DWTW and "Hear What Thou Wilt" as you say. No state-mandated or ignant-mandated quotas here.

"Different strokes for different folks", as the kids say.

https://youtu.be/3ifYo29hsoM


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03/04/2018 7:53 pm  

Nothing beats this bit at the end about why Nixon really had gaps in his tapes;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7jriOpE-rQ

In the 80s they used to have different charts in the music magazines etc. Black music was classed as 'urban music'! Also in the 70s I heard that 'funk' was literally viewed as criminal's music and the major stations wouldn't touch it. How times have changed.

The other three main 'black music' acts said to be responsible for the creation of funk were as follows;

I've chosen three i know of;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IST6qRfVqwY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm_cFzVAoo8

These guys became more polished in the 80s;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuKzkYcgxsA

...but anyway sometimes white people got it right;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XktInhZH4v0

I like a lot of disco also and funk was good when it first went electronic. You've probably never heard this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyIwF1ZTXZA

I don't know what it is about NYC but it seems to consistently produce radically good scenes that the rest of the world will latch onto some time later.


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03/04/2018 8:12 pm  

Yeah it's true I don't think that white guys could ever do reggae better than black guys. Nothing wrong with celebrating all of our differences. I mean Sting's The Police tried to do it but it wasn't truly reggae was it?

My posts are getting wiped clean. I don't think the forum likes multiple YouTube links, sorry i may have to double post.

Nothing beats this bit at the end about why Nixon really had gaps on his tapes;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7jriOpE-rQ
Others responsible for the creation of funk;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm_cFzVAoo8


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03/04/2018 8:12 pm  

,........and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IST6qRfVqwY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuKzkYcgxsA
Funk was considered to be criminal's music in the 70s. White stations wouldn't touch it..that's what I heard.
In the 80s there were lots of different charts in the music media. Black music was called 'urban music'.
I like a lot of disco before it became overwhelmingly white. Funk was good when it went electronic also;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyIwF1ZTXZA

Sometimes white people got it right;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XktInhZH4v0


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03/04/2018 9:34 pm  

Dom: My posts are getting wiped clean. I don’t think the forum likes multiple YouTube links

Moderator Paul told me, "The software is absolute rubbish. If you post more than one link [of any kind] it thinks it's malware, and it blocks the whole post."

I'm surprised you got multiple links in on the above posts. Maybe somebody fixed something? Maybe your invocation of Jupiter brought you good luck.


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03/04/2018 10:23 pm  

I don’t think that white guys could ever do reggae better than black guys.
To be more specific no one plays it better than Old Jamaicans .
But that could change and of course that shouldn’t stop any one appreciating it, giving it respects and having a go at it .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AeRMrZCPGk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNj0X8JX-6A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgcmfakWVuI


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