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elitemachinery
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I always liked FEARs 1st record a lot. Well written songs well executed. Anthem PUNK I guess you'd could call it. The entire album is good. It's by no means obscure as they had pretty good success in their time. Not sure if they were seen as sell-outs or not (im sure @ignant666 knows more about the details and rivalries in the scene at the time.) But I always thought they were quite good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyM4uAJBujA


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Funny to edit for "grammer" and spell grammar wrong ha!

Here's FEAR on Saturday Night Live not sure what year it was:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frud5RFtTi0


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A ditty to the triumph of robotic artificial intelligence - a most contemporary theme, perhaps? Or maybe it would serve as an out of left-field alternative soundtrack to Invasion of the Body Snatchers?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=half+machine+lip+moves+youve+been+duplicated&view=detail&mid=8D28B11F68D2EEE32A818D28B11F68D2EEE32A81&FORM=VIRE

A lot (though not all) of the LP it's from - Half Machine Lip Moves - is worth checking out as well. This is also very good for waking the neighbours up in the mornings (if so required)

Here's to hoping the gizmo works,
Norma N Joy Conquest


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In spite of the inappropriately named title, this other one always puts me in mind of those post-nuclear blast made-up 50's ghost town testing sites (as modelled at the end of the film Kalifornia, for example), possibly in the aftermath of a neutron, rather than a hydrogen, bomb. I must have got an active imagination. But despite such potentially depressing fare, it chugs along at a respectable pace. And some of the lyrics (from just before Reagan, at the time of the cold war) don't seem to have dated much at all!

I hear all the paranoid discussions
Trying to distract me from my functions
But I don't care what they say
I'm not afraid of the Russians, yeh

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=chrome+%2b+march+of+the+chrome+police+youtube&view=detail&mid=1BE9FD913DC1D1F138F01BE9FD913DC1D1F138F0&FORM=VIRE

It's perfectly true you know, modern equipment just can't take it (much abuse)
N Joy


elitemachinery
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When I was about 16 and learning guitar and studying music i became a big fan of John McLaughlin and Mahavishnu Orchestra:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mdGCqZTres


elitemachinery
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Vital Transformation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boOu0L45M44


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Me too elitemachinery .

John McLaughlin
With names like The Inner Mounting Flame, Visions of the Emerald Beyond,Between Nothingness & Eternity; WOW
Mahavishnu and Miles were my entrance into fusion

https://youtu.be/up9yWDl0jBc

Shakti

https://youtu.be/eUy9SXBQZNM


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As Zappa said, "Can't play rock? Can't play jazz? Put the two together, and you really got something."

Not a big fan of the fusion (this does not apply to any so-called fusion records by Miles.).

The following story may be why:

The summer i was 15 (1976), i went to live away from my parents' home for the first time, to work at a restaurant on Nantucket Island (off the coast of Massachusetts) as a busboy.

When i arrived for my summer job, the middle-aged uptight French owner decided that i had not cut off enough of my long hair to work in the "front of the house" (that is, as a busboy on the floor with customers). I was pissed because i had cut off more hair than i wanted to.

As a result of my not-adequately-preppy haircut, i was banished to the "back of the house" to work as a dishwasher, and then prep cook (after i responded calmly to the line cooks' habit of throwing knives into the wall over my head as i washed dishes). I ended up learning a useful trade (cooking in a restaurant); my few "front of the house" gigs in later years confirmed the old Frenchy's good judgement.

I lived in a converted garage behind the kitchen, with another teenage kid who lifted weights during all his free time, and was a porter and dishwasher, and an older (maybe late 20s to mid 30s?) gay waiter, Thad.

Thad was a tall, willowy blond dude who liked black men, and wore dashikis to attract them. Every single night after work, if he did not have a date, Thad would play a record called "Waterfall" by Chick Corea, and other fusion stuff, all of which both of us teenagers hated, and incessantly offer to fellate us (despite our mutual melanin deficiency). We did not appreciate these offers, and made clear we weren't interested. He did have good weed, and was generous with it, to his credit.

Finally, one night, the weight-lifting kid screamed "You pervert! We're fucking kids!", and attacked him with the bar from his weights, sending Thad ass over tea-kettle on top of me lying on my bed reading. He picked himself up, ran out the door, and was never seen again. We sold his records, dashikis, and stereo, and bought weed.

Here is some jazz i dig, by the immortal Ornette:

https://youtu.be/-4LtE6j4UOw

[i know i've posted a lot of Ornette, but i don't think this one ever}


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@ignant666
yeah
Fusion was good to listen to for guitar playing chops
I’m glad I had years listening to it
Forced to listen to it at Berklee college of music

Acoustic Jazz blows Fusion away even miles acoustic i like better
I totally see why people got pissed at Miles but i can listen to his fusion

But his guitar players were fun to listen to
But those were the guitar chop years


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https://youtu.be/XlhR10FasQA


elitemachinery
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@ignant666 @tiger

Fusion is what you get when jazz players take acid i guess. Miles started it didn't he? Definitely a guitar player thing. I didn't like all of it but I did like Mahavishnu first album and had all of their albums and some other artists.

@tiger that's cool you went to Berkeley I always heard good things about that school. I attended Dick Grove School of Music in LA in the Composing & Arranging Program (CAP) back in 1985-86. I was in over my head but I learned a lot over two semesters. We had deadlines and had to compose for live bands in recording sessions it was a great experience.

@ignant666 I could never get into Zappa's music but I admit I never gave it much of a chance. He always seemed more talented as a visual or conceptual artist to me.

I didn't like everything John McLaughlin did but the dude could play any style.

Here he is with Paco DeLucia and Al DiMeola:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4qsYEDrTHI


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@elitemachinery
Berklee was great i hung in there for three years .
1 year of music school is a good foundation .

Jazz/Fusion players can’t play even a 2 chord reggae, metal players can’t play Blues, though both try .


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NYC/DC hardcore idols Bad Brains were originally a fusion band before they heard the Ramones, so some can switch styles with success. Their reggae songs were excruciatingly bad, lending some credence to what Tiger says about fusion players.

I'm so old, i remember when the term "heavy metal" meant "white guys playing slow, heavy, very loud, blues":

https://youtu.be/7MQbWfmzzEA

My hippy uncle, a born-again Christian of a very pleasant sort, gave me his old copy of Vincebus Eruptum for xmas when i was like 15. Another one he gave me was The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown.

I became a teenage Thelemite around the same time in the early 70s that he and his wife were born again; we had many interesting debates, and are still very close. They were married on rollerskates on the Golden Gate Bridge in SF in the late 60s while tripping. The ceremony was difficult to arrange, as finding a clergyman who could rollerskate backwards was not easy.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW3gKKiTvjs

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


elitemachinery
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@ignant666 said:

The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en1uwIzI3SE

My hippy uncle, a born-again Christian...I became a teenage Thelemite around the same time in the early 70s that he and his wife were born again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAO0owc4xeY


David Dom Lemieux
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Losing!!

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


David Dom Lemieux
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Although I'm not really into this genre this is a profound record about how human beings go from childhood to teenage years but never really get beyond that level throughout their "adult" lives;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrxI_euTX4A

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


Jamie J Barter
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@dom :

Losing!!
Have I missed something & excuse my thickness, but losing what??

not really into this genre
Have I missed something & excuse my thickness again, but I'm not sure which genre this would be either

Full of misses & excuses,
N joy


David Dom Lemieux
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@JamieJbarter

Losing!!

As in, that character that Emilio Estevez played in Repo Man has a bad attitude and is, as the Americans say, "a loser". He is he brother of.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pipTwjwrQYQ

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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https://youtu.be/vhr25XDPFb4


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Genius !
drums base guitar and melody basics
Phenominal !

https://youtu.be/6ith7xkuYGc


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just so i don’t double post all over the place
some basic info for those that think he was simple
Watch a Master at work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIjQRU6fYc4

and sorry for the wee nyaff
hoggin up the space .


ignant666
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More East Coast '80s hardcore punk: A song about hating hippies, "Deadhead", by DC's Teen Idles, with (high-school age) future Minor Threat/Fugazi members.

Of course, in the ensuing decades, the fine line between being "punk as fuck", and being a "dirty hippie", has become obscured, like the similar line between clever and stupid. I blame drugs.

https://youtu.be/a2ywt_22J1w


ignant666
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A song on a related topic: Schooly D's immortal "I Don't Like Rock'n'Roll", from the PSK- What Does It Mean? cassette/vinyl release ( i still have the 12" vinyl). The homophobia of some rhetoric ("Y'all long-haired faggots can kiss my ass") hopefully can been seen in context, and certainly doesn't represent my views.

For anyone still wondering "What on earth does 'PSK' mean?": "Park Side Killers", Schooly's Philadelphia angel-dust-, and weed-dealing, crew.

This anti-longhaired rock song was of course a massive hit with all rock'n'roll fans i knew.

Oh sweet memories of youth!

https://youtu.be/z5IZVBlnXcM


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Thank you very, very much for all your responses. Your responses have been enlightening and entertaining as well. Here are some more of my faves:

Tool
The Nazz
Jimi Hendrix
Quicksilver Messenger Service
The Grateful Dead
Fireball Ministry
Slipknot
Megadeth
Metallica

I hope you like these as much as I do. Enjoy! 93's, ~WildWitch~


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A fave of the relaxing mellow 90s alt-rock tunes that builds to a sweet crescendo. The lyric of "love and laughter" caught my attention and made a connection with the Book of the Law.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBNveRc9M_g
"The Earth has told Of an outrageous spring...remembered" brought to mind the story of Cadmus and the cave. Dargaard's setting to music a section of that part of the story is incredible. It was a favorite even before knowing what it was about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDJ31h91hGs


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Since the waxing gibbous Moon is near Antares today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=537jkb4tvTc
Wendy Rule - Full Moon In Scorpio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf7uHcEPiDI
Elend - Moon of Amber


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Big Brother and the Holding Company
https://youtu.be/VmvyNwmZuWo


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"9. All that ye do is right, if so be that ye enjoy it. [...] 18. Only those who fear shall fail. Those who have bent their backs to the yoke of slavery until they can no longer stand upright; them will I despise. 19. But you who have defied the law; you who have conquered by subtlety or force; you will I take unto me, even I will take you unto me." (Source: LIBER XC - Book 90. "An account of Initiation, and an indication as to those who are suitable for the same." A∴A∴ Publication in Class A, Holy Books of Thelema - - - http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/The_Holy_Books_of_Thelema):

how can it be wrong - - -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fntOAoXbBo4

And on a side note "34. Come, let us no more reason together; let us enjoy! Let us be ourselves, silent, unique, apart." (Source: Liber VII - Book 7. These are the Birth Words of a Master of the Temple." A∴A∴ Publication in Class A, Holy Books of Thelema - - - http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/The_Holy_Books_of_Thelema): How can it be wrong when it feels so right? - - -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPBFcxmNE9s


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The title of the Elvis Presley song referred to by me in REPLY #109149 to this thread is It Feels So Right:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv2XKkWL5Ow

“9. All that ye do is right, if so be that ye enjoy it." (Source: A∴A∴ Publication in Class A. LIBER XC – Book 90. “An account of Initiation, and an indication as to those who are suitable for the same.”)


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Americans! Tell me if you get this parody (it's Billy Connolly's mrs by the way;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMXIro1P_7g

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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As to the above song the Hendrix family 'foundation' Experience Hendrix didn't exist when I bought the CD Voodoo Soup so now they are ruining his legacy since the 2000s.

Anyway

Here is me drumming with my old band a year ago for giggles.
https://youtu.be/y2VpkJb9qOw


ignant666
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david: No clue whatever of what that is a parody of, or who Billy Connolly is.

chris: Song does nothing much for me, but your drumming is solid and powerful.


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When it first came out, as a young boy at my mother's knee (both of them, as a matter of fact) this song greatly amused me by its repeated will-he won't-he crescendo and diminuendo alternation. and the oft repeated promise of the singer to expire when she didn't and it all turned out to be a bit of a put-on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hp5wPM0DYk

As I grew older though and more experienced with the ways of lerv, whenever I hear it again I never fail to be impressed by its build and sheer passion, a vast sea-like ebb & flow expressing the sheer longing and wrecked hurt of unrequited feelings familiar to us all, and even though 'it must be him' it might equally well be applied to 'her' as well.

Hanging on the telephone,
N Joy


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Surprised no-one has posted any Current 93 (David Tibet is a close friend of Youth of Killing Joke).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU_BP-L0eqM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA7dUopnD0k


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Death in June (Di6) have cited Crowley influences on their music and song writing and controversially the Strasser brothers (anti-Hitler left-wing ex-members of the Nazi Party) and Ernst Rohm (homosexual Brownshirt chief who was executed during the 'Night of the Long Knives' in June 1934).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwtE_PJB4rI

Boyd Rice-NON used to be a leading member of the Church of Satan (who declined an offer to become CoS High Priest after Anton LaVey died) but is now Gnostic. He has played concerts with Di6 and I've seen them both play in London a few years ago. My opinion is that they use fascist imagery to shock, provoke and troll and they have also in fact both used Bolshevik/Stalinist imagery also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSlxRGjXWpI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TwhJjRDW-Q


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My opinion is that Death In June, and Boyd Rice, are fascist pieces of shit who should be met with appropriate violence at any opportunity. Any city where they can perform safely should be ashamed.

Anyone who "use fascist imagery to shock, provoke and troll" has little to complain about when folks respond to them as Nazi scum who think genocide provides cool imagery.

Death in June in particular pose as "beefsteak Nazis" ("brown [fascist] on the outside and red [socialist] inside") with the Strasser-flirtation (aka the "Third Position"). They would do well to recall the fate of Otto Strasser, like Rohm murdered by the brown-all-the-way-through Nazis on the Night On The Long Knives in 1934.

Thelemites who sympathize with Nazis might want to contemplate the fact that Karl Germer, and other German Thelemites, Masons, and occultists joined the better known victims of the Nazis, like Jews, gays, leftists, and gypsies, in the concentration camps.

https://youtu.be/r7Si2H479Es

Oh, and their music sucks, too.

One more thought: The Nazis and fascists decisively lost their war of world conquest through racial superiority, just like the Confederate traitors decisively lost their war to preserve human slavery in North America. Why anyone identifies with such repellent losers has always baffled me.


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"United" by Throbbing Gristle includes the lyric adopted from A.C. "Love is the law".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XpqCxJZdGs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCd3wwYyL5c


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I'm closer to the Golden Dawn
Immersed in Crowley's uniform
Of imagery
I'm living in a silent film
Portraying Himmler's sacred realm
Of dream reality
I'm frightened by the total goal
Drawing to the ragged hole
And I ain't got the power anymore
No, I ain't got the power anymore
I'm the twisted name on Garbo's eyes
Living proof of Churchill's lies, I'm destiny
I'm torn between the light and dark
Where others see their targets, divine symmetry
Should I kiss the viper's fang?
Or herald loud the death of Man
I'm sinking in the quicksand of my thought
And I ain't got the power anymore
Don't believe in yourself, don't deceive with belief
Knowledge comes with death's release
Aah-aah, aah-aah, aah-aah, aah-aah
I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man
Just a mortal with the potential of a superman
I'm living on
I'm tethered to the logic of Homo Sapien
Can't take my eyes from the great salvation
Of bullshit faith
If I don't explain what you ought to know
You can tell me all about it on the next Bardo
I'm sinking in the quicksand of my thought
And I ain't got the power anymore
Don't believe in yourself, don't deceive with belief
Knowledge comes with death's release
Aah-aah, aah-aah, aah-aah, aah-aah
Don't believe in yourself, don't deceive with belief
Knowledge comes with death's release
Aah-aah, aah-aah, aah-aah, aah-aah
Songwriters: David Bowie
Quicksand lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group, BMG Rights Management

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP2SS8ggLtU


ignant666
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The Fall song on the other hand i like- and no one can call Mark E. a Nazi sympathizer, unlike the last several artists Falcon has posted (unfairly in Bowie's case).

It was co-written by an old pal who was married to Mark E at the time, and she sings background and plays guitar on it. My old drummer painted the cover of the album.

Here is a favorite Fall song:

https://youtu.be/R8yJnIF4nb4


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Re Quicksand/Bowie; Yeah that's amazing that this is one of the most famous successful pop stars ever blatantly namechecking AC, not even Page did that.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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The Fall song on the other hand i like- and no one can call Mark E. a Nazi sympathizer, unlike the last several artists Falcon has posted (unfairly in Bowie’s case).

@ignant
Re The Fall;
Yeah he certainly wasn't a Nazi but one of his idols was Bernard Manning. Who was he? Think Andrew Dice Clay but with a beer-belly and a Mancunian accent.

y opinion is that Death In June, and Boyd Rice, are fascist pieces of shit who should be met with appropriate violence at any opportunity. Any city where they can perform safely should be ashamed.

Rice is one of Genesis Orridge's best friends and he is also a good friend of Rodney Bingenheimer and probably has many other Jewish friends.

I suggest you research Rice a bit better and start with the Iconclast docu-movie.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


ignant666
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Oh some of his best friends are Jewish? Surely not an anti-Semite then!

His associations with neo-Nazis of many stripes are long-standing, and well documented. You are the one who needs to do his research.

I suggest Boyd Rice, and Death In June, watch their backs, or better, consider suicide.

"Just another Nazi test.
Yeah, the big takeover, yeah"

Bad Brains, "The Big Takeover"

https://youtu.be/5NAPYIMMbWQ


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So Genesis P Orridge hangs out with Nazi sympathisers then?

Rice is a crazy contemporary artist not a white supremacist type. I understand that the swastika has terrible associations and I as a minority know what it is to suffer uncalled for hatred and ostracization.

Anyway the Billy Connolly's "mrs" video,it was a Kate Bush parody.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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ignant666 You do know that David Tibet (Current 93) collaborated closely with Douglas Pearce (Death in June) and Boyd Rice (NON) right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL3syp6pMtM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZGW8euo9nw

Glad you like The Fall though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE-6xoh1khg


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ignant666
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Falcon: i've never heard any interesting music by David Tibet or Current 93, and am well aware he hangs out with Nazis like Douglas Pearce and Boyd Rice. Birds of a feather and what-not- shit pretentious music, shit pseudo-intellectual politics.

Interesting to note Tibet is pals with current (c)OTO supremo Bill Breeze, who hangs around with Jewish neo-fascist James Wasserman. Birds of a feather again.

david: Out of curiosity, what do you mean you are "a minority"? Interesting to hear, though i do wonder why this fact has never come up before in your many years of posting, or the last time i pointed out Boyd Rice is a white supremacist, when you posted his nonsense a while back.

I am not super-familiar with Kate Bush, but that video sounded very little like what i recall, and the woman singing is about twice the age KB was when that was made.


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