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David Dom Lemieux
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Maybe i mentioned this during my recent “memoirs” period but those boys (Swans) are old comrades since the early ’80s.
Mikey Gira (and bassist Algis Kyzis) attended all three of my birthday parties when i was a law student in the early ’90s; probably few law students past or present can say the same. Norman Westberg, the guitarist (who i used to be in a band with called Dr. No-Smell (named after a popular East Harlem brand of “angel dust” (PCP)) only came to two of them.

You win on the namedropping front. No, I am impressed, y'know ….I knew you were cool.

I was surprised they covered that song. I thought it was a bad move.

Westberg used to have an upside down cross earring. Whether he was into Satanism or not I don't know. Gira was from the west coast wasn't he? I get the impression that Gira is one of those people who view the music industry as something that's beneath him..as a contemporary artist that is... but I know that his favourite music is early Bob Dylan.

Cohorts of Swans this was one of my favourite albums as a teen. I treated my sessions listening to this like a ritual.... beautiful cover also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKBtVe-krtM

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


ignant666
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I just realized i over-namedropped. No Swans attended my birthday party my first year of law school, that was just me and a bunch of women. There was cocaine and much drinking. One (eventual) result was divorcing my first wife.

Three of them came to the following two though.

In penance for my faulty memory, here is Gira's pre-Swans "New Wave" band Circus Mort, from around when i met him as a young Bowie wannabe around 1980-1 or so:

https://youtu.be/Feccv97AYt8

Norman is certainly not a Satanist, he is an extremely normal dude who listens to Molly Hatchet, and a doting father. I have never heard him mention any remotely occult topic.

https://youtu.be/dN1NnCp0TVE

Gira was around NYC from the late '70s, where he may have come from before that i have no idea. That he views a great many things as "something that’s beneath him" has been mentioned before. Never heard him mention Dylan, or, again, any occult, or remotely high-brow/"book-larnin'" type topic.

Most conversations i had with all of them were about drinking, music, and fucked-up/weird art, and of course, that ever-popular topic, drugs, back when we were all young and foolish on the Lower East Side.


David Dom Lemieux
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Norman is certainly not a Satanist, he is an extremely normal dude who listens to Molly Hatchet, and a doting father. I have never heard him mention any remotely occult topic.

@ignant666
If you still see Norman ask him his opinion of Rice.

Check out Gira's history, may be wiki, it's very interesting, he ran away from home on the west coast and hiked around Europe with older hippies and ended up in jail. He designed the Swans covers, very stark, red white and black like some Soviet or fascist propaganda poster.

Ignant what was your publication/career CV link? I forget whether you practiced law or went into education first?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


ignant666
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I never see anyone from "back in the day" except when people die. I haven't seen Norman, Algis, and other Swans since the memorial for our old friend John Berry, founding member of the Beastie Boys, who died in 2016. The time before that was another funeral. Gira i haven't spoken to for maybe 15-20 years.

I went to law school from '90-'93, and then went into grad school in criminology in 1995.

Here, in lieu of a song, is a funny Swans tour story from the early '90s: They were doing a southern US tour, playing a lot of redneck bars, the kind where there is a chicken-wire screen around the stage to stop the audience throwing things at the band. At every stop, as they loaded in, the promoter would ask which one was Norman, usually with a disgusted/freaked-out look on his face. The Swans of course have a certain reputation (largely based on Gira's lyrics) for being some kind of bizarre sexually deviant weirdos.

At every stop, the promoter would give Norman the fax that had just arrived for him, in every case a chapter from The Leatherman's Handbook, a practitioner's manual for gay S & M. He saved them, and showed them to me at a Dr. No-Smell rehearsal after he got back from tour. The one i remember to this day is "Ballooning Ballsacks", which discussed, and copiously illustrated, injection of saline solution to inflate the scrotum to the size of a football.

The "perp" was someone intimately familiar with not merely the tour schedule but their daily driving schedule, since the faxes would always arrive right around the time when they were pulling up at the club in the van. They never figured out who it was.


David Dom Lemieux
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Expanding scrotums, that's a funny story!

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@Horemakhet I like some of Emperor's material too (and Black Metal generally), although I am a Thelemite and Gnostic not Satanist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnNxU6VV3NE

Moonchild by Fields of the Nephilim - they are influenced by To Mega Therion like many other Gothic, Post-Punk, Rock, Neo-Folk, Metal bands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbSqhNCo_ik


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KILLING JOKE INTERVIEW - JAZ COLEMAN'S HEROES

"I had to mention Wagner because he is an artist who expanded the concept of music into reality. Wagner had a vision of how life should be - his heart was set in the Nordic mythology. He believed in trying to portray man at his best. For me he was more of a magician than just a plain composer. He had a dream, he set it to music and it almost came alive.

It is a fact that Hitler was inspired by Wagner's vision of the Pan German world. Regardless of his racial ideology, which I am totally against, what I do admire about him is the purity of his concept and the fact that it almost came alive. I hate his operas, I can't abide fat women warbling away, but I love his music. Every time I fly to Berlin I have to have the music to "Siegfried's Funeral March" on my Walkman. I need that sound to ready myself."

http://www.jokerplace.net/articles/1983-1986/mm111086.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV-cYH8udSk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xbhQcVTp8U


Falcon
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Pigface and The Damage Manual (Killing Joke side project spin offs):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRtt1FFTQes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spCcsdmXi1E


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Another KJ side project:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcuEMEamzNo


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The influence of Frater Perdurabo on the Gothic post-punk band Blood and Roses is evident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9gRV6yu0ZM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzVIMLf0CfM


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I like Fields of the Nephilim but I haven't heard enough. My wife introduced me to them, and we want to buy a box set.

I love Wagner. I started out only listening to the instrumentals, preludes etc. But now that I have been listening for a few years I can actually get into the opera too.

This one is always beautiful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mOA8pZ_I4M

Mild und leise
wie er lächelt,
wie das Auge
hold er öffnet
—seht ihr's, Freunde?
Seht ihr's nicht?
Immer lichter
wie er leuchtet,
stern-umstrahlet
hoch sich hebt?
Seht ihr's nicht?

ertrinken,
versinken, –
unbewusst, –
höchste Lust!

Softly and gently
how he smiles,
how his eyes
fondly open
—do you see, friends?
do you not see?
how he shines
ever brighter.
Star-haloed
rising higher
Do you not see?

[...and ends...]

to drown,
to founder –
unconscious –
utmost bliss!


christibrany
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On the other end of my spectrum...
One day I will be able to play this on double kick 😀

https://youtu.be/oMamBKqz_8U


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@christibrany If you are interested the Fields of the Nephilim are playing live shows in the UK in October and November.


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Am seeing The Stranglers next year on their UK Tour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tq2tkkQ8YA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVTeqWQwZwU


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CPJv_p0iNU

Peyr (Theyr) are an Icelandic band who have an interest in the occult.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vQhtzUnWg0


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Jaz Coleman is also a classically trained pianist, violinist and composer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bISnRzupadM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M636HDPA-As


Tiger
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https://youtu.be/YoDh_gHDvkk

https://youtu.be/jxe-iylVQSY

stevie ray vaughn
and a build up
too bad they put a chorus on stevie
https://youtu.be/_YC3sTbAPcU

Bowie fans please add for the fleeting moment


Falcon
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Am seeing The Damned play in November.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LGZzVo0A8U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL9GtbYvgAs


David Dom Lemieux
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I'm a KJ fan but Jaz's classical pieces/piano pieces are bland as Hell.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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@dom An acquired taste granted but Jaz's classical material has grown on me over the years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_RM2ZXNVjk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVSzju81FEQ


David Dom Lemieux
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@falcon

"an acquired taste"? What you mean classical music per se is an acquired taste or Jaz's pieces?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


David Dom Lemieux
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burning love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx7I4DfUGM4
His mother enrolled him in the Southwest Bible Institute, in Waxahachie, Texas, so that he would be singing evangelical songs exclusively.
Jerry Lee Lewis"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw7SBF-35Es

With his "Great Balls of Fire" (What's the origin of the phrase 'Great balls of fire'? 'Great balls of fire' originated as an expression in the southern states of the USA, around 1850. It derives from the many biblical references to the presence of God being indicated by a fire.)

etc and Elvis singing gospel they fused sex and religion together decades before Prince..amazing as is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVIttmFAzek

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ignant666
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"What'd Elvis Presley ever do except a lotta drugs i couldn't afford?"- Jerry Lee "The Killer" Lewis

An admirably Thelemic post, david. So much more of the "93 current" manifest in the work of Elvis, Jerry Lee,and Little Richard than in dreary "vewy scawy" "evil" metal bands that use AC as a signifier.


David Dom Lemieux
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“What’d Elvis Presley ever do except a lotta drugs i couldn’t afford?”- Jerry Lee “The Killer” Lewis
An admirably Thelemic post, david. So much more of the “93 current” manifest in the work of Elvis, Jerry Lee,and Little Richard than in dreary “vewy scawy” “evil” metal bands that use AC as a signifier.

I doubt that the gods honour these joke-assed so called metal bands, they are slime and drivel.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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@dom acquired taste as in Jaz's classical pieces.


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David Dom Lemieux
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I think it's best that we try to channel our inner music journalist and write a little (or big) essay on why we have selected what we select? If we don't then it becomes a spam thread or an emulation of some mindless teenage Facebook group.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


Jamie J Barter
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@dom :

I think it’s best that we try to channel our inner music journalist and write a little (or big) essay on why we have selected what we select? If we don’t then it becomes a spam thread or an emulation of some mindless teenage Facebook group.

Great minds think alike --- or something like that. Didn't I say more or less exactly the same thing in my point #109688 back in September (see the top of page 20)?

While I'm here, I might as well put something else down for those who might wish to delve:

https://youtu.be/B85dYk77V-o

But ironically enough, though, on this occasion there doesn't seem to be a lot one can say about this particular inclusion, except that if you like a Santana groove you might quite go for it.

Seemingly neverendingly polyrhythmically yours,
N Joy


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Did anyone ever see a music video from the "hardcore" rock group Meshuggah which is titled "Bleed"? (The video was made around 2008 or so). In this video, I see a man seated in an asana while making the "sign of silence". Am I mistaken or is what I see accurate? Check the video on the You Tube.


WildWitch
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Jamie j. Barter:

Great minds do not think alike. Great minds think independently.


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Great minds do not think alike. Great minds think independently.

Oh, I so agree with you. Actually, no I chuffin' don't --- I think... independently!

N Joy


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Liber CCCXXXIII

ΚΕΦΑΛΗ ΝΑ
TERRIER-WORK

Live at the University of Illinois campus. Enjoy.

https://youtu.be/Aj8B18MND4o


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Betty Carter scatting !

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https://youtu.be/yFywEM5tGOY


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