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03/05/2018 11:59 pm  

Anyone seen the preview for Strange Angel? It's not everyday a Thelemite is featured in a major Hollywood production.


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27/07/2018 4:54 pm  

I didn't actually see Strange Angel yet, but I have been viewing various clips on the YouTube. I think Strange Angel looks pretty good, but I think it's a bit melodramatic insofar as the practitioners of Thelema are concerned.


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27/07/2018 7:10 pm  

WildWitch: "I think Strange Angel looks pretty good, but I think it’s a bit melodramatic insofar as the practitioners of Thelema are concerned."

Well, the real Agape Lodge which Jack Parsons became a member of and later on head of, was dysfunctional and plagued by backstabbing, befitting a melodramatic depiction.

The depiction (s01e04) of the founder and first head of this lodge describing Thelema as teaching that each person we love is a different key that unlocks a different part of us. Only one sets us free., is incorrect with respect to Crowley's teachings about Thelema.

Jack Parsons is also repeatedly depicted as drifting in and out of daydreams and hallucinations, and this negates Aleister Crowley who taught that one must control one's mind - and not get lost further in your mind - to practise Thelema, in the sense of manifesting your 'True Will'.

The depiction (s01e07) that "Focus on your intention. Just free your mind and it will break through everything that stands in your way.", is all it takes to manifest your 'True Will', is therefore also an incorrect depiction of the Thelema thaught by Aleister Crowley.

But it might be the case that it is difficult to make entertaining TV based on correct depictions of Aleister Crowley's teachings about the Thelema mentioned in his The Book of the Law?


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03/08/2018 4:58 pm  

Wellreadwellbread:

Your comments are very enlightening and very much appreciated. It would certainly be quite difficult to make "interesting" television shows based on "correct" interpretations of Thelemic practice, but if the more flamboyant aspects of the practice are considered, I think that it would be best to focus on the flamboyance instead of the dramatic.


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03/08/2018 6:56 pm  

wr: But it might be the case that it is difficult to make entertaining TV based on correct depictions ...

Yes, this is the heart of the matter. Virtually every film/vid that begins to address the Truth inevitably ends up taking a financial and ratings loss.

So whatever the real deal is, the producers and screenwriters have to conform to certain modifications: For example, include a lot of melodrama (even if you have to make it up), and Make sure to bring a scene into a cliffhanger crisis just before switching to "a message from our sponsors."


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04/08/2018 12:11 am  

@wellreadwellbred :

The depiction [...] is incorrect with respect to Crowley’s teachings about Thelema [...] and this negates Aleister Crowley [...] is therefore also an incorrect depiction of the Thelema thaught {sic} by Aleister Crowley.

Is there anything this miniseries has so far particularly managed to get accurate or positively affirm about Aleister Crowley and Thelema, yet?

Not at all remotely bothered about spoilers
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07/08/2018 10:50 pm  

Jamie J Barter: "Is there anything this miniseries has so far particularly managed to get accurate or positively affirm about Aleister Crowley and Thelema, yet?

Not at all remotely bothered about spoilers"

Spoiler alarm!

Yes, in episode 8 (of season 1), the leader of the Agape Lodge says:

"... Pursue your will unfettered. Help our friend discover his. But do not interfere with the will of another. As our Master reminds us, collision is the only crime in the cosmos."

This seems to be in conflict with the following which Jack Parsons says earlier in the same episode:

"You have to bend them to your will.
You can do it, you just have to believe you can."


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07/08/2018 11:16 pm  

But as the President of the USA has told us so often of late, "Collision is not a crime."

But seriously, folks, the lodge-master's line only slightly garbles something AC actually did say.


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08/08/2018 12:41 am  

Yes, that could be something A.C. would have said --- it is very like his comment that each star has its own ordained course or orbit around the heavens, for example.

And on first glance it seems that the comment attributed to J.P.,
“You have to bend them to your will..."
is in conflict with this, but context is everything and "bend" could imply influencing another's path so that it is actually more in line with the willer's own, and doesn't this sort of thing take place in life all the time?

For instance, when Israel Regardie went to stay with Crowley in Paris as his secretary, I'm sure he hadn't intended to turn over the whole of his life savings to him to fritter away on champagne and cigars - or at least not right away - but A.C. nevertheless "influenced" him so to do.

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11/08/2018 4:35 pm  

What will a person who doesn't know anything about Thelema get from watching the Strange Angel?


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13/08/2018 12:53 am  

WildWitch: "What will a person who doesn’t know anything about Thelema get from watching the Strange Angel?"

Something reflecting the knowledge of Thelema, possessed by those involved in the creation of this TV series.

""This philosophical religion is heavily based on the practice of magick—that [famous occultist] Aleister Crowley put together—that’s 'magick' with a 'ck,'" explains Strange Angel actor Greg Wise, who plays Thelemic congregation leader Alfred Miller.

"One of the main tenants of his religion was [that] sexual energy and sexual power was a way of literally manifesting your power in the world," says Strange Angel Executive Producer Mark Heyman. "You would focus your intention and you would do these rituals, which involved some sort of sexual act in some way or another, and that was the way you made this magick occur—to bend the world to your will."

Greg further explains where Thelema comes from, saying, "One of the things that Crowley did was [he] cherrypicked all of these different ideas from different philosophies, different religions. We’ve got Hinduism, and Islam, and a lot of the Kabbalah, a lot of Egyptian deities as well. It’s finding that connection with the Devine [sic], whatever the Devine [sic] looks like."" (Source: https://www.cbs.com/shows/strange-angel/news/1008622/expand-your-mind-with-an-eye-opening-lesson-on-the-1930s-occult/)


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13/08/2018 3:59 am  

What will a person who doesn’t know anything about Thelema get from watching the Strange Angel?

How to register, login, participate, and contribute and bring about the Apocalypse !

i haven’t watched it yet, when it becomes available to watch without the hoops i might watch .

Jack Parsons: Space Exploration & the O.T.O.
https://youtu.be/OYCfo_YS0jk


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13/08/2018 4:15 am  

@WildWitch said:

What will a person who doesn’t know anything about Thelema get from watching the Strange Angel?

An introduction to the characters and their work? Most people are entirely unaware of Thelema. The series also paints Aleister Crowley and his work in a new light which is new for mainstream media.

They are discussing Sex Magick on The View:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnaA3vDXg8c

Jack Reynor born in Colorado seems to be developing an (English or cockney?) accent!


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14/08/2018 11:34 pm  

"Video unavailable This video is not available." I can't activate this video, but as it is only one minute and seven seconds long, the following might be what they said about Sex Magick on The View (or The Talk?):

"Jack Reynor, star of the new CBS All Access historical drama Strange Angel, stopped by The Talk today to chat about his brand-new show.

During his visit, he provided a bit of context around his real-life scientist character from the 1930s, chemist Jack Parsons.

"He was known for sex magick," Jack explained.

Intrigued, the Hosts laughed and pressed for more. "What's sex magick?" asked Sharon. "I wanna know!"

"The story behind this guy was, he was a rocket scientist, he was one of the first pioneers of rocket science, basically," Jack continued.

"He started the JPL [Editor's note: Jet Propulsion Laboratory], which is out in Pasadena. But he also kind of became the head of a sex magick cult. There was a lot of that stuff going on in Los Angeles in the 1930s and 1920s, and there still is today, by the way."

"Give us the number!" exclaimed Sharon. "I want to join that club now!"" (Source: Jack Reynor Explains The Sex Magick Of Strange Angel On The Talk - - - https://www.cbs.com/shows/the_talk/news/1008629/jack-reynor-explains-the-sex-magick-of-strange-angel-on-the-talk/)


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15/08/2018 12:24 am  

Who was it said the golden age of television was dead?
Can that dame Sharon really be as game an old bird as she sounds?

And now with a word from our sponsors,
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15/08/2018 2:10 am  

"Sharon. “I want to join that club now!”

https://youtu.be/57Mz359nl_4

The flood gates are loose all hell is gonna break out now !


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15/08/2018 7:11 am  

@jamiejbarter said:

Who was it said the golden age of television was dead?
Can that dame Sharon really be as game an old bird as she sounds?

That's Sharon Osbourne married to Ozzy for over 30 years who wrote Mr. Crowley. She may know a little more about sex magick than she's letting on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDzN0W3G6v8

Her husband Ozzy wrote Mr. Crowley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3LvhdFEOqs

@tiger said:

The flood gates are loose all hell is gonna break out now !

Interesting to say the least. It doesn't get much more mainstream than The View. Oprah may have occult type people on her show but usually only if they are portrayed in a bad light.


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16/08/2018 1:29 am  

Ozzy never wrote lyrics. He was good at remembering other people's lyrics that he had to sing. I doubt very much that Ozzy even wrote any of the lyrics to the song you are discussing.

Sharon Osbourne eh? I never thought that I would have to discuss the X-factor on this forum.


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16/08/2018 2:27 am  

Out of all the instrumentalists in that group the vocalist held it together the best .
Not sure what the lyrics are about,
but he did have that undefinable "something" like star power .


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16/08/2018 3:36 am  

yummy juicy sunday school star power coming to your fitness franchise
https://youtu.be/p4gVLIHBs6o

...

Living Thelema - Sex Magick and Mysticism
https://youtu.be/y88q_JGzLIo


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16/08/2018 6:31 am  

@dom said:

Ozzy never wrote lyrics. He was good at remembering other people’s lyrics that he had to sing. I doubt very much that Ozzy even wrote any of the lyrics to the song you are discussing.

He is credited by ascap as being the writer:

https://www.ascap.com/repertory#ace/search/workID/430304315

It's HIS song. Written by Ozzy, performed by Ozzy. Made famous by Ozzy.

Sharon Osbourne eh? I never thought that I would have to discuss the X-factor on this forum.

Well you don't HAVE to discuss anything. I don't recall anyone bring up ZZZ-Factor until you did. You are free to go post in your thread about dead cats or the one assuming there are no women here as those threads appeal to the MUCH higher intellectual standards that you adhere to!

The fact is that Strange Angel is bringing Aleister Crowley and Sex Magick to forefront a little bit and so what! They are talking about our boy AC and his work.

Don't you have a rodeo to attend?


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16/08/2018 6:16 pm  

@dom

"Ozzy never wrote lyrics."

That's bullshit. He wrote most of the lyrics with Black Sabbath and most of the other stuff after that. Lemmy Kilmister wrote some too in the 90ies. And yes, he definitely wrote the lyrics himself to Mr. Crowley...

Not that it's important...

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16/08/2018 7:51 pm  

That’s Sharon Osbourne married to Ozzy for over 30 years who wrote Mr. Crowley. She may know a little more about sex magick than she’s letting on

Ah, I didn't realize - yes, that makes much more sense now. Whether Mrs Ozz is aware of a bit more about the subject than she lets on herself, I am nor sure that is the case with Ozzy himself who has never claimed to know much about A.C. or Thelema (he can't even pronounce his last name correctly and let's remind ourselves of the following lyrics to give an intimation of the extent of his appreciation:
"... Your lifestyle to me seems so tragic / With the thrill of it all
You fooled all the people with magic / Yeah, you waited on Satan's call ..."

In fact I believe he sheers away from "the occult" altogether as the result of some sort of a past spectral visitation and is a bit shy of delving any further in as a result. It's also my understanding (I may be wrong & am open to correction) that all previous members of Black Sabbath also wear upright crosses about their person theseadays?

Have there been any positive reviews of this aspect of the series in the meeja yet?
N Joy


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16/08/2018 8:12 pm  

Well maybe dom is a business man that doesn’t care for the x factor, star power power or the market influence .


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16/08/2018 10:55 pm  

elitemachinery were you ever even a Sabbath fan?

I understand that you would automatically think that the singer writes all the songs lol but think a bit harder.

Any Sabbath fan knows that Geezer wrote all the Sabbath lyrics but Ozzy may've contributed the odd line or so or even the initial subject matter. As for Ozzy writing Mr Crowley, well any idiot would be able to figure out that Ozzy is not the author of that song. It's too clever. Read this;

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/bob-daisley-would-the-real-ozzy-osbourne-please-stand-up/

https://www.bobdaisley.com/interview/website

Ozzy claimed credit for lyrics to certain songs, including “Paranoid.” Butler was livid, saying “Ozzy didnt write nothing. He can't even read, so how could he write a song?" There you go straight from the horse's mouth.

Sharon Osbourne.

Jesus.


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16/08/2018 11:32 pm  

As for Ozzy writing Mr Crowley, well any idiot would be able to figure out that Ozzy is not the author of that song. It’s too clever.

Well, that will remain a matter of opinion, won't it?! Are you seriously referring to the lyrics there, dom/david? As for the content of the actual words themselves they could have been done by any half-literate sixth-former: the rhymes don't even scan well and on purely that basis alone, never mind anything else, would have had A.C. spinning somersaults in his metaphorical grave.

Doing quadruple 360 degree full turns!
N Joy

(PS, Perhaps I should add that I am writing as a fan of early (or "classic") Black Sabbath & have all their LPs up to & including "Technical Ecstasy". Am I cool enough, now?!)


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17/08/2018 9:52 am  

Ozzy did occasionally write--for instance he is credited for having written the lyrics to "Fairies Wear Boots" (which IS a pretty magical song, isn't it?), as well as "The Writ" on Sabotage. It's true that Geezer wrote the lion's share on the early Sabbath albums (before Dio, whom I quite like). If one listens to those early Sabbath lyrics, it's quite clear from the very start that, contrary to popular opinion, there's no glorification of anything "Satanic"--on the contrary, Geezer's lyrics are often explicitly Christian in orientation ("War Pigs," "After Forever", "Lord of this World.") As for the "occult"--Thelemic or otherwise--I doubt any of them knew anything about it to speak of.

I read somewhere that Ozzy is more or less an Anglican, though I remember him renewing his vows to Sharon in a Jewish ceremony on "Meet the Osbournes."


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17/08/2018 4:55 pm  

Im just hoping that the people who watch the Strange Angel don't get alot of misconceptions about Crowley and Thelema and then go about committing various acts of prejudice. Let's not forget that some among the Wiccan population have been driven out of their homes due to harassment.


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17/08/2018 8:05 pm  

Im just hoping that the people who watch the Strange Angel don’t get alot of misconceptions about Crowley and Thelema and then go about committing various acts of prejudice. Let’s not forget that some among the Wiccan population have been driven out of their homes due to harassment.

It's not even on Netflix is it? No one I know has even mentioned it.


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17/08/2018 11:51 pm  

I read somewhere that Ozzy is more or less an Anglican,
Well, you can strike me down right here and now with a fevver...

If one listens to those early Sabbath lyrics, it’s quite clear from the very start that, contrary to popular opinion, there’s no glorification of anything “Satanic”–on the contrary, Geezer’s lyrics are often explicitly Christian in orientation
I don't think there was a lyric sheet with any of the early LPs, with one exception - this probably explains why! Surely (with a name like B.S.) this is trading under false pretences and even allowing for poetic hyperbole rather goes against the vérité. Or is another type of B.S. involved?

Let’s not forget that some among the Wiccan population have been driven out of their homes due to harassment
What - the villagers armed with pitchforks and burning brands have already turned up at the door? I didn't know about this --- any more facts/ linkage to accurate reports of this persecution, please?

Closing with the barbarians appearing to be masing at the gate,
n Joy


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18/08/2018 3:46 am  

Well, that will remain a matter of opinion, won’t it?! Are you seriously referring to the lyrics there, dom/david? As for the content of the actual words themselves they could have been done by any half-literate sixth-former:

...we don't know 100% who wrote that song. If you read my links and weigh up the evidence you will see that is possible that Daisley wrote it and Ozzy never.


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18/08/2018 10:40 am  

Or is another type of B.S. involved?

I guess the name just sounded cool. But the lyric from "War Pigs" that draws a parallel between "witches at Black Masses" (basically synonymous with Black Sabbaths, i.e. devil worship) and "Generals gathered in their masses" leaves little doubt that such gatherings are NOT being depicted in a positive light. Of course, these "witches" are those of medieval hysteria, not Wiccans or neo-Pagans, which were probably not even a blip on the old Geezer's radar. I think its powerful apocalyptic imagery is still quite effective for the simple anti-war message--"Come on, people, you don't like Satan? Well, war (in particular Vietnam) is Satanic, Satan loves war ("Satan laughing spreads his wings") but the war pigs are going to suffer in the end!" Just narrowly beats out Dylan's "Masters of War" for anti-war anthems imho.


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18/08/2018 2:16 pm  

@strider

Well, war (in particular Vietnam) is Satanic, Satan loves war (“Satan laughing spreads his wings”) but the war pigs are going to suffer in the end!” Just narrowly beats out Dylan’s “Masters of War” for anti-war anthems imho.

I know what you're saying about the horrors of war. Do you think that there was a genuine threat of the "domino effect" spreading through to Burma, Nepal and eventually engulfing the entire nation of India?


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19/08/2018 7:54 am  

Do you think that there was a genuine threat of the “domino effect” spreading through to Burma, Nepal and eventually engulfing the entire nation of India?

Good question. I'd venture to wager not, though I certainly ain't no expert!


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24/08/2018 5:28 pm  

I just hope that non-Thelemites who watch the Strange Angel don't get a lot of misconceptions about Thelemites and/or Thelema in general and go on a tirade against Thelemites and/or Thelema.


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24/08/2018 5:35 pm  

I had seen a particular clip from the Strange Angel on the YouTube and another person who had viewed the clip had stated that "Oh, now Satanism is being presented as hip and cool". (These words are not the exact words, but its the sentiment in the words that matters.) It's statements such as this that give me cause for concern. What will sentiments such as this cause people to do?


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24/08/2018 6:57 pm  

Satanism is being presented as hip and cool
What will sentiments such as this cause people to do?

Some may look into things deeper .
Churches can convince their people on the necessity for raising the tithes .

Do you think that there was a genuine threat of the “domino effect” spreading through to Burma, Nepal and eventually engulfing the entire nation of India?

Nations are not dominoes though some will continue to see the Human Geography as such .

nice Original Rocket Man ft. Dr. Michio Kaku & Amy Shira Teitel clip.
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25/08/2018 9:02 am  

@wildwitch said:

I just hope that non-Thelemites who watch the Strange Angel don’t get a lot of misconceptions about Thelemites and/or Thelema in general and go on a tirade against Thelemites and/or Thelema.

I don't think there is any danger of this happening. Jack Parsons is a pioneer of rocket science first and a Thelemite second. Also the show is telling his story slowly and accurately over a long series that could last five seasons. Jack Parsons story could have easily been told in a 1 hour tv episode hack job.

Instead we a have a group of intelligent creators and actors who have actually done their research. This is probably the first time AC or his ilk have had a major television network behind them so it will make it more difficult for the name calling to take place in this context.

Also the fruits of their labor (Rocket Science) are quite impressive and it's hard to argue with results like orbiting satellites, space stations, or putting a man on the moon.

Daily Mail and Alex Jones and conspiracy theorists love to slander AC and throw AC's name around whenever someone is accused of doing evil things or being a member of the ILLUMINATI. If stories such as Strange Angel continue to get accurately told by major media networks it may be harder to do these uneducated hit pieces slandering Aleister Crowley or Thelema in the future.


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25/08/2018 6:29 pm  

Any chance of this coming to Netflix?


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27/08/2018 3:02 pm  

Satanism is being presented as hip and cool
What will sentiments such as this cause people to do? “

Will it cause them to do much different? This all happened before in the '60s, in the aftermath of Rosemary's Baby etc. Sammy Davis Jnr even joined the Church of Stan! What goes around comes around. At his best, LaVey was quite charismatic and articulate; there doesn't seem as if there is anyone around to fill those particular shoes these days though.

"That's Entertainment",
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23/09/2018 4:21 pm  

According to the current popularity rating for Strange Angel at IMDb (source: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7210448/), this TV Show’s page was the 911th most viewed page among all TV Show Pages, and a downward red arrow indicates a fall in the popularity rating for this TV series by 179 points.

I think the American actor Eric Stoltz of "Pulp Fiction" fame, could have played Lafayette in Strange Angel returning for a Season 2.

Eric Stoltz
Eric Stoltz

Lafayette
Lafayette


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25/09/2018 8:51 am  

On an IMDb (= International Movie Data base) list listing 99,090 titles titled “Most Popular Documentaries With Country of Origin United States”, Going Clear: Scientology & the Prison of Belief (2015), is listed as 95. (Source: https://www.imdb.com/search/title?explore=countries&title_type=documentary&sort=moviemeter,asc&page=2&countries=US&ref_=adv_explore_rhs)

On an IMDb (= International Movie Data base) list listing 99,090 titles titled “Most Voted Documentaries With Country of Origin United States”, Going Clear: Scientology & the Prison of Belief (2015), is listed as 23. (Source: https://www.imdb.com/search/title?title_type=documentary&explore=countries&countries=US&sort=num_votes,desc&ref_=adv_explore_rhs)

On an IMDb (= International Movie Data base) list listing 12,937 titles titled “Top-US-Grossing Documentaries Released 2015-01-01 to 2015-12-31”, Going Clear: Scientology & the Prison of Belief (2015), is listed as 96. (Source: https://www.imdb.com/search/title?title_type=documentary&year=2015&page=2&view=simple&sort=boxoffice_gross_us,desc&ref_=adv_nxt)

On an IMDb (= International Movie Data base) list listing 257,194 titles titled “Top-US-Grossing Documentaries”, Going Clear: Scientology & the Prison of Belief (2015), is listed as 1,820. (Source: https://www.imdb.com/search/title?explore=countries&title_type=documentary&view=simple&page=37&sort=boxoffice_gross_us,desc&ref_=adv_nxt)

After its first season, the TV series Strange Angel does currently have low ratings on IMDb. Due to the strong brand recognition of the world infamous Lafayette Ron Hubbardt, focusing on John Whiteside Parsons' interaction with the former, in a second season of this TV series, is a means to attract more attention, and thus get higher ratings/earnings for it.

More use of the strong brand recognition of the world infamous Aleister Crowley, is also a means to attract more attention, and thus get higher ratings/earnings for this TV series in a second season.

In addition, the said use of the strong brand recognition of the world infamous Lafayette Ron Hubbardt, is also likely to cause the world infamous Church founded by the said Hubbard, to provide free marketing for the TV series Strange Angel.

In hindsight, the TV series Strange Angel would not have had its currently low ratings on IMDb, if the above described approach had been used in its first season. If this was the case with the TV series Strange Angel's first season, what John Whiteside Parsons did before meeting Lafayette Ron Hubbardt, could have been covered in a following season.


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25/09/2018 11:04 am  

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Whatever the advantages of "brand recognition", I should imagine that the producers of 'Strange Angel' are not at all keen on the probable reaction of the litigious Church of Scientology to an account of their founder's involvement with Parsons.

In 1969, for instance, two reporters gained access to material in the Gerald Yorke Collection about Hubbard's involvement with Parsons, and wrote an article about it which the UK newspaper 'The Sunday Times' published. Reaction from the Church of Scientology was swift, and 'The Sunday Times' soon backed down.

There's sometimes stronger considerations than "brand recognition".


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01/10/2018 2:50 am  

https://youtu.be/Gv0Ac6hjvFQ


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02/10/2018 9:13 am  

Michael Staley: "Whatever the advantages of “brand recognition”, I should imagine that the producers of ‘Strange Angel’ are not at all keen on the probable reaction of the litigious Church of Scientology to an account of their founder’s involvement with Parsons.

In 1969, for instance, two reporters gained access to material in the Gerald Yorke Collection about Hubbard’s involvement with Parsons, and wrote an article about it which the UK newspaper ‘The Sunday Times’ published. Reaction from the Church of Scientology was swift, and ‘The Sunday Times’ soon backed down.

There’s sometimes stronger considerations than “brand recognition”." (Quoted from: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/strange-angel/page/3/#post-109554)

The following are quotes from Why "Scientology’s Cone of Silence Shattered For decades, the controversial church was able to bat down unflattering media attention. But now the klieg lights are everywhere, a text by Jacob Siegel published 03.25.15 by Daily Beast. (Source - - - https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-scientologys-cone-of-silence-shattered?ref=scroll):

"Mike Rinder knows about Scientology’s approach to dealing with media criticism from experience. Rinder, who’s featured in Going Clear, was a senior executive in the church who spent time in its public affairs division before leaving Scientology. [...]

In 2007 the BBC’s Panorama program began producing a feature, “Scientology and Me.” “The church sent private investigators to follow the BBC’s reporter, John Sweeney,” said Rinder. “The people involved in the production, from Sweeney and his producer all the way up to the top of the BBC, were investigated.”[...] Scientology’s approach with its critics, he said, is to “silence them by finding out something that they’re seeking to protect that will either cost them their job or the threat of exposure will cause them to back away.” And “of course, there were also legal threats,” Rinder said. [...]

Ex-Scientologists and experts differ on when exactly they believe the church’s hold on the story of Scientology first started to slip, but they agree on the cause. “The simple answer is the Internet,” said Kent, the University of Alberta sociology professor.

“The ’Net changed everything and from all accounts has had a major impact on membership,” said Mark Bunker, a TV journalist and longtime anti-Scientology activist.

The Internet, of course.

Still, it’s a bit more complicated than that, Kent said. “It’s not just the Internet,” he said. Much of the momentum in the anti-Scientology movement that has culminated in the new HBO documentary [Going Clear 2015] comes from ex-members of the church, he said. The Internet gave them a chance to meet each other and trade stories, creating an echo effect that amplified their voices. “Former members became emboldened enough to start speaking on the Internet” about abuses they had allegedly witnessed and, Kent said, that in turn led to more defections and more ex-members speaking out.

“The big change came around 2005, when South Park did their episode on Scientology and ended it with ‘Sue Me,’ and they didn’t get sued,” said Bunker. That lessened the fear among commentators of being sued and, in a dangerous turn for any official piety, opened the group to wider ridicule. Said Kent, “The gravitas of Scientology diminishes rapidly as comedians start picking it apart.” [...]

After the South Park dustup came other public bruises for Scientology. In 2008, the church found itself in a war with the Internet collective Anonymous. The dispute began over Scientology’s attempts to remove a video from the web that showed Tom Cruise praising the group at an internal church event. That roused an impassioned defense of free speech in a growing online culture that considered the Internet inviolable ground. The back-and-forth ended up generating publicity for Anonymous, which seemed to relish the audience, and exposing Scientology to added and sometimes harsh media attention. [...]

Rinder has another reason he believes the church’s old tactics aren’t as useful as they once were. [...]

“They’ve got too many skeletons in their closet and too much they can’t answer to, so their response is to just say everyone’s a liar,” he said."


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02/11/2018 7:11 am  

““Strange Angel” has been renewed for a second season on CBS All Access. The drama, about rocketry pioneer and occultist Jack Parsons, ended its first season in August.” (Source: “CBS All Access Drama ‘Strange Angel’ Renewed for Season 2
Posted by lashtal | Oct 29, 2018 | News, Thelema” – – – https://www.lashtal.com/cbs-all-access-drama-strange-angel-renewed-for-season-2/)

Hmmm, low ratings and no cancelation, but renewed even with low ratings.

I have earlier on this thread suggested that the American actor Eric Stoltz could play Lafayette Ron Hubbard in Strange Angel returning for a Season 2. But it might be the case that that a character based on Hubbard will not figure in the second season for this show.


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02/11/2018 7:21 am  

Eric Stoltz
Eric Stoltz as the serial killer William Dunn, in the American medical drama television series Grey's Anatomy, Season 5, Episode 13, Stairway To Heaven. (This episode is named after the famous song "Stairway to Heaven" by Led Zeppelin (source: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1263283/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trv).)

Lafayette Ron Hubbard
Lafayette Ron Hubbard in 1947 (the year Aleister Crowley died on December 1, at Hastings, England).


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02/11/2018 3:59 pm  

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What is it that you find so fascinating about Hubbard, wellreadwellbred?


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