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30/08/2019 11:48 pm  

@christibrany

I care what you think. I am also a musician, and my life is in music, books & energy.

My life in a hole in the ground, as African Head Charge has called it.

I don't think about politics, I live in a third world country and I'm trying to do my thang, not just to survive.


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31/08/2019 3:24 am  

@christibrany

So you're not interested in politics because instead you're 'into music and books'?

………………… over to you Ignant.

But I dislike both Capitalism and Communism and Socialism.
I am mostly for Constitutional Anarchistic Fascism.

That doesn't make any kind of sense.

I think we all have the right to do what we want, and make the monies we want but if we get too big the government should stop us so it’s fairer.
It’s quite complicated but I hope I made an ounce of sense.

What? The flow of money is international.


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31/08/2019 4:36 am  

creative peoples might have a different valuation system than financier
commodities markets might have a different appreciation then financial market key stroke service bets
some might concern a sack of potatoes over a bag of chips

get fascist on the anarchy prepare the throne
at least if you want to restrict the chaos
and let the pure stuff flow


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31/08/2019 6:44 am  

hope the promise
of a future;
and the Schelling point

bought
and the
premium investment
skim the
purchasing power
system
works out for you


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31/08/2019 8:02 pm  

To get things moving on this Saturday morning, which days are usually slow due to hangovers, sleep-ins, weekend freedom to run and shout, and other weekend diversions, I will post the Official Policy on Thelemic Politics as applied to human rights and general behavior.

1. There is no law beyond Do What Thou Wilt. That's simple enough. It's the foundational baseline of Thelemic.

2. There shall be no property in human flesh; there shall be no property in human thought. This was proclaimed by Therion in Liber Aleph, with the admonition that these two concepts are to be the basis of civil law, with the further imperative to See that you do not multiply them.

3. Liber Oz 77. Further defining the Law, breaking it down into minor rights (under #2, above)with perhaps minor multiplication. This codified set of freedoms ends with the injunction Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights. Pretty strong lingo indeed.

So all this rumble about anarchists, communists, Tories, Labourers, Republicans, Democrats, fascists, dictators, and sly politicos needs to simply be recognized as the current State of the Planet (mixed), and all questions of the Thelemic viewpoint in the middle of this agitated mess need to be referenced back (at least) to Oz 77.

It's a bit harder to refer them back to #2, above, especially when dealing with intellectual property and copyrights/trademarks, but the concept is easy enough to understand.

It is exceedingly difficult to reference any situation, personal or political, back to #1, above, because most people have no idea what their "Will" is. Only a Magister Templi can "know" (through gnosis) what his or her "Will" is with any sense of cosmic accuracy.

Folks of a lesser grade may say, "My Will is to have a chat, or a faxed dialog, or a prescient communique, with my HGA," and that's good enough for government work at the personal level. Of course, one has to fill in the details themselves. Even so, being mostly an internal undertaking, it is unlikely that anyone will be thwarted in any way, and they probably won't have to kill any thwarters ... unless they talk openly about it, hus risking accusations of Satanism, which may result in self-defense activities.

That's it in a tightly-wrapped nutshell (a Walmart, no, Walnut, I think).


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31/08/2019 10:13 pm  

@ignant666

Best signs: “Stop The Coup De Twat”;

I loved this! Since it is on TV on my international versions of CNN, Sky, and BBC, I hoped to see it in the protests. And I was rewarded!

London protest sign, 31/08/19


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01/09/2019 12:16 am  

@belmurru

Yeah, ignant666 is words master.

Some twenty years ago it - The Coup de Twat - had been the daily show in "my" third world country. The governments had changed like some crazy cunt's customers. And nothing ain't changed never.

I've listened some of the revolutionaries while they cried, drinking beer: "But we thought we change everything; we fighted for the better; and nothing changed."

I am sorry for the expletives, but they have been the only proper words in the context.


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01/09/2019 5:45 am  

would you want the one state screwin the lightbulb in identity confused


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Serpent 252
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01/09/2019 6:57 am  

Tiger, don't worry
the state will screw anyway
confused sheep good sheep

on the other hand, i'm an electrician
so i can handle the lightbulb
in a professional manner
as any child of four can


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01/09/2019 7:25 am  

oh lordy
elements run amok
hook em
all
right
place

electrify

See!
ty


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07/09/2019 5:54 pm  

Have found a quote from AC's comment on Al which is relevant to the OP.

I.33

Then the priest fell into a deep trance or swoon, & said unto the Queen of Heaven; Write unto us the ordeals; write unto us the rituals; write unto us the law!

33. The prophet then demanded instruction; ordeals, rituals, law.

The New Comment

Law, in the common sense of the word, should be a formulation of the customs of a people, as Euclid's propositions are the formulation of geometrical facts. But modern knavery conceived the idea of artificial law, as if one should try to square the circle by tyranny. Legislators try to force the people to change their customs, so that the “business men” whose greed they are bribed to serve may increase their profits.

Also on the traditional oppression of women;

I.41

The word of Sin is Restriction. O man! refuse not thy wife, if she will! O lover, if thou wilt, depart! There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell.

. To us, every woman is a star. She has therefore an absolute right to travel in her own orbit. There is no reason why she should not be the ideal hausfrau, if that chance to be her will. But society has no right to insist upon that standard. It was, for practical reasons, almost necessary to set up such taboos in small communities, savage tribes, where the wife was nothing but a general servant, where the safety of the people depended upon a high birth-rate. But to-day woman is economically independent, becomes more so every year. The result is that she instantly asserts her right to have as many or as few men or babies as she wants or can get; and she defies the world to interfere with her. More power to her – elbow!


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07/09/2019 6:18 pm  

thanks dom


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07/09/2019 6:30 pm  

You're welcome Tiger.....so there we have a quote from apparent bourgeoise snob Crowley stating directly that capitalists are enemies of society and Thelema in that they abuse, cajole and twist people's natural customs in order to serve their own greed for more profit. Furthermore they do it via criminal acts of bribery of bent legislators.


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07/09/2019 6:50 pm  

d: [AC]: Legislators try to force the people to change their customs, so that the “business men” whose greed they are bribed to serve may increase their profits.

That about sums up his perception of the (outer) Black Lodge. 'Bribed" is the key word that leads to conspiracy. Today, bribes, vacaions, and sexual favors have been squeezed into a PAC (Political Action Committee) that funnels funds into re-election coffers, which are often mis-spent on personal indulgence. It's all rotten, and AC caught right on and warned us.

The capitalistic bribers should, of course, be committed to the guillotine, but the dirtiest swine of them all, the lobbyist, should ideally find themselves in a prohibited vocation. The word should simply implies idealistic rambling. It's not going to happen anytime soon.


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07/09/2019 9:42 pm  

Sh: The capitalistic bribers ...

The bribers also include religious fanatics and gun clubs. Surely, anyone can think of other categories.

Here's the deal: I propose that (almost) any system can work efficiently for the mutual benefit of all ... if the internal corruption is rooted out and destroyed. Says so in AL 3. Pick (almost) any line.

In this case, internal means "occult" or "hidden." Those are technical terms for under the table. The PAC system is just a law passed by lawmakers to protect their disguised channel of bribery. The foxes have surely been set to guard the hen-house.

In a democracy, it's the will of the collective that's supposed to influence legislation, not donations to a re-election fund by some lobby. This crap started a long time ago in the lobby of Willard's Hotel in Washington, D.C.. That's why they're called lobbyists. No sarcasm or word-flips here.

The solution is to reform campaign finance law and eliminate any channels, including hidden ductwork, that can influence legislation by special interests. Election laws and procedures must be established wherein each person on the ballot states their position, then the gov distributes the positions of everyone, in last name, alphabetical order format, to every voter (by mail, email, etc). Mass media influencing, via TV, personal ads, billboards, etc, must be eliminated. The voter must rely on the official positions paper, but may inquire at any candidate's website.

The elected officials must immediately take an Oath of personal poverty. Since they have been elected for Life (life of competency, plus retirement upon incompetence), he or she will be supported by the gov, at the level they had attained at the time of their winning the non-distorted election. This is all to be found in the OTO Constitution (of 1919?), and that doc that reveals The Privileges and Responsibilities of Members (whatever its true name), both of which have now been repealed by (c)OTO, and a new legislation has arisen ... it's similar to a PAC.

So, now we have things running smoothly, but what if a bad apple gets installed for Life? Or a barrel of them? There was this Greek or Greek-related society that elected a King. If the King was competent, then everything moved along nicely. If the King was incompetent, they killed him and elected a new King.

There's probably a few details to iron out, but basically it's a form of Thelemic Politics.


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07/09/2019 10:33 pm  

'Black lodge'?

What?

How about Cthulu instead?

With respect, what do you mean by that? Imagine if you started to talk about 'black lodge' at an academic lecture on political science.

Where's your evidence bro?

In fact what is a 'black lodge'? Black Brother Thelemites?


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07/09/2019 11:07 pm  

Well they are embedded in the Academic Institutions as well.
The pharmaceutical industry made sure that preventive Health Care got marginalized .
And gamed the system so that healing was about taking drugs to mask the symptom.

hows that for a glimpse of the workings of a tendril ?


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07/09/2019 11:16 pm  

Tendril schmendril Tiger.


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08/09/2019 2:35 am  

d: How about Cthulu instead?

No. Cthulu is not part of the Thelemic paradigm. The term, Black Lodge, is well-known and often used.

d: what do you mean by that?

"The Forces of Materialism" (versus the Lords of Light). It's basic black-white conflict. Crowley discusses this in The Three Schools of Magic in Magick Without Tears.

d: Imagine if you started to talk about ‘black lodge’ at an academic lecture

This is not some academic lecture. This is LAShTAL for poop's sake. I have proposed changes to the gov.gov. You are concerned with basic definitions, that I have defined in my books and extensively here on these forums, plus you want me to put it in academic terms. Why should I change my context and terminology.

Note: The true Black Lodge is not The One True Order and all the rest of us are Fakirs that we like to make fun of sometimes. It is the capitalistic, occult, invisible government that pulls the strings on outer events (like passing laws) by virtue of legal or illegal bribery.

d: Tendril schmendril Tiger.

Tiger, I thought you gave dom a good, quick glimpse of the B Lodge. It is apparent that he is cranky today and wants things to be packaged according to his tastes.


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08/09/2019 2:59 am  

Tiger, I thought you gave dom a good, quick glimpse of the B Lodge. It is apparent that he is cranky today and wants things to be packaged according to his tastes

Shiva, when you say 'black lodge' it implies Himmler-like creeps doing 'spiritual' breathing exercises and pagan rituals in medieval castles etc. That sort of wack DC Comics conspiracy crap. You don't mean that do you? You (when you use the term 'black lodge') mean mundane materialist shmucks amassing more and more in a mindless one-upmanship loop.


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08/09/2019 3:17 am  

It tends to run deep;
beyond the names, dates and data;
even past the collection scheme.
Its energetic pattern
habits,
assuming,
attending disbelief .


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08/09/2019 5:11 am  

you ever notice
the legislators
over seeing
putting the chemicals in your water,
in your interest;
to make you pay
for their chemically free water ?


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08/09/2019 5:20 am  

And what of the free people
that voted and funded
the Brexit.
Will they get a refund ?


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08/09/2019 5:41 am  

Quiet
desperation.


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08/09/2019 7:49 am  

d: ... when you say ‘black lodge’ it implies Himmler-like creeps ...

Yes, you got the message. This capitalist bribery group has been accused of really low-level magical rituals, the modern version of which is drawn from the works of the Master Therion.

I have no direct experience in such matters, but the tales are legion, so I'm keeping my eyes open on this. There is evidence for bribery (all the time) and I have direct experience of intimidation in respect to lawful approval of a certain project.

But all this is fluff over the main point: The Black Lodge is composed of the so-called Lords of Matter. They are involved in the manipulation of matter, usually via capital, and the furtherance of scientific studies in longevity. But they're not Taoists.

In counterpoint, we have the Lords of Light, whose schools include the A.'.A.'. and the TransHimalayan White Brotherhood, which are both veils over the same spectrum of consciousness.

d: You (when you use the term ‘black lodge’) mean mundane materialist shmucks amassing more and more ...

Yes, that's part of it. But let's be realistic, we all have a certain sense of accumulation within us. Some animals do it. Let he who hast not wanted more be the one to cast the first card, no, stone.

T: Quiet
desperation.

Verily, there is that element
involved.

Desperate because it's so
well hidden
and

there's not much
anyone
can do about
it

Have you noticed
anyone
around here who
is obsessed with
terminal-ology
than revamping
the gov
?


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08/09/2019 12:15 pm  

@Tiger

sorry I see your point you use Cthulu as metaphor.

@shiva

But all this is fluff over the main point: The Black Lodge is composed of the so-called Lords of Matter. They are involved in the manipulation of matter, usually via capital, and the furtherance of scientific studies in longevity. But they’re not Taoists.

I get your point now it's all unconscious i.e on the nefeshic devolved automaton level. Yeah ok if you want to label that as 'Lords of matter' then fair enough. However Kubric-like 'Illuminati' satanic clubs of the world's top bankers/politicians and their monk-robes and pagan rituals...it's bullshit imo just a distraction from real issues.

Anyway but what about 2:18? ;

we are not for the poor and sad: the lords of the earth are our kinsfolk.

The 'poor and the sad' described here are actually the richest people on earth who have to hoard and amass more and more because they feel poor and sad.


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08/09/2019 4:23 pm  

Yep conclusive evidence there..a bunch of pranksters filming their mates in a forest or somewhere.


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08/09/2019 6:03 pm  

the ceremony transmitted a feeling of a Neopagan prevalence rather than a christian deliverance
https://youtu.be/A5GBlhEfd9I

“just a distraction from real issues.”

“it’s all unconscious i.e on the nefeshic devolved automaton level. “
“ ‘Lords of matter’ involved in the manipulation of matter, usually via capital, and the furtherance of scientific studies “

“who have to hoard and amass more and more”

beings caught in a Pavlovian cycle with no space for another perspective to arise.


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08/09/2019 6:24 pm  

Now, surely we will come to realize that this external, so-called Black Lodge and the invisible but external Lords of Light are simply reflections of what's stored inside our consciousness.

In every adventure,
we win or lose
in the game of higher consciousness

There are no higher stakes,
there is no other game.


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08/09/2019 8:06 pm  

Political Economy?

Feels like
we're all getting them
old
non-syntactical
non-carriage
returning
no Entry tabable
borgian
blues
back
all
over
agin

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08/09/2019 11:33 pm  

Thanks Jamie,

Great contribution there.

Continuing with the theme of AC's warning about 'knavery': funny how the politicians who are of the financial elite and are backed by Globalists are the ones who are pulling the wool over idiots' eyes on how they are against Globalists and 'the elite'. Like AC said 'the people' are 'suicidally stupid'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNineSEoxjQ&t=62s


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09/09/2019 4:28 am  

Just a reminder to a great book, a few quotes:

Property is theft – P. J. PROUDHON

Property is liberty. – P. J. PROUDHON

Property is impossible. – P. J. PROUDHON

Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. – RALPH WALDO EMERSON

(ILLUMINATUS!, The Appendices, Appendix Zain: Property and Privilege)


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09/09/2019 1:32 pm  

How many Americans know that Tucker Carlson (who had the audacity to write a book about corrupt elites) is the son of an heiress and he attended an elite private school? His mentality is basic Confederate redneck. So much for 'elite' American education broadening the mind.

You can fool all of the people.....etc.


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09/09/2019 7:51 pm  

Owing to my Irish background, which showed me the damage that can be done by politics, i have no interest in UK politics.

I care even less about foreign politics.

Imagine asking a man in a London pub “Who is the Prime Minister of Argentina?”

Mow imagine asking a geezer in an Argentinian pub, “Who is the PM of the UK?”

It would be the same answer: “No idea.”

THAT’S how important politics is.


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09/09/2019 9:53 pm  

Owing to my Irish background, which showed me the damage that can be done by politics, i have no interest in UK politics.
I care even less about foreign politics.
Imagine asking a man in a London pub “Who is the Prime Minister of Argentina?”
Mow imagine asking a geezer in an Argentinian pub, “Who is the PM of the UK?”
It would be the same answer: “No idea.”

THAT’S how important politics is.

You need an education...don't worry you'll be getting one right here


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10/09/2019 3:28 am  

d: You need an education…don’t worry you’ll be getting one right here

Why does he need to be educated? I have certain political ideas, but I do not engage in politics, because my ideas would not set well with the Establishment or with people who have different ideas.. I don't vote. I am apolitical. I've been "right here" for well over a decade. I haven't gotten nothin'.

Alan demonstrates the outlook I had for five and a half decades, which is to say, "Indifferent." The last half a decade or so, I have shifted into closer inspection of the processes and procedures ... but still, I',m not involved. And I'm turning more of a blind eye towards my inspection what with, you know, seeing both sides and preferring neither.

Anyway, good luck in "educating" Alan. You'll probably have as much luck with him as with me.


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10/09/2019 9:47 am  

"We don't need no Education… We don't need no Thought Control!"?

N Joy


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10/09/2019 11:20 am  

Alan,

Once upon a time there was (a golden age when nobody owned anything and money never existed. Women were not only respected but God was a woman. Everyone helped each other to survive and why wouldn't they? Then one day for some inexplicable reason a minority became evil, twisted and perverted. This minority became known and 'aristocracy' and they were led by) a king and queen. God was now a misogynist male.

Soon some vile idiots gathered around and joined the evil minority and sectioned off the land for them. The main aim was to ENSLAVE the others and make them do all the work whilst the minority of perverts indulged their evil desires on innocent tribe members. So this situation continued and the minority developed ways ti deceive everyone that this 'system' was good and proper.....but it never was.

In time as money was invented the blood line of the inbred aristocracy had to succumb and were replaced by financial institutions and 'owners' of industry who now had more money than them. This new gang told entire countries what to do but via an illusion of national democracy. They could even instigate wars and well, anything anywhere. Their main aim is to trick, lie and deceive the many that it's ok that a tiny miniscule owns the vast bulk of total wealth whilst poverty,hardship and wage-slavery spirals. Their aim: divide and conquer.


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10/09/2019 5:06 pm  

T: We don’t need no Thought Control!”

Well, some of us do. Otherwise we'd be thinking about frowned-up topics. Control of thought is part of Raja Yoga and the Path.

Oh! You meant control by other people?

Yeah, we don't need none of that.

d: (to Alan): Once upon a time there was (a golden age ...

I see Alan's education has begun ... with a fairy tale.


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10/09/2019 5:18 pm  

And so the privileged keeping themselves in a privileged position;
in order to co-opt revolutions;
created a fair game system
in which your dollar invested is in the same game as their billions invested;
in order to suck the wealth of the commonwealth,
in order to empower the rich.
so that they can trickle it down to empower the people.

Well at least possibly that could be the condition of those tapped in a Kali Yuga.
or there might be another kind of love,
another garden to attend to
or perhaps that is the one
that needs attention.

power imagery set to lyrics
https://youtu.be/pewSrF7budE


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10/09/2019 8:51 pm  

T: another garden to attend to
or perhaps that is the one
that needs attention.

Temple of the Sun is one of my favorites. It's so ... balanced.


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10/09/2019 9:25 pm  

@dom

You need an education…

I agree with Shiva. If Alan isn't interested in politics, that's his choice. Certainly no call for your patronising remark, let alone your subsequent lecture.


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10/09/2019 9:46 pm  

@shiva

yes fairy tale complete with the horror and scariness of a typical fairy tale.

@michael

well let's see what Alan thinks about my point.


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10/09/2019 11:07 pm  

@dom:

well let’s see what Alan thinks about my point.

Tell you what, let's not. This thread long ago ceased to have anything remotely connected with Crowley.

We all know how this goes: Thread locked.

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