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fraterihsan
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Thelema politically is in a category of it's own. Neither left nor right, neither liberal nor conservative. As Crowley also makes note in his introduction to Liber Legis, all these modern ideologies are abortive births of the New Aeon. Both extreme communism, fascism, liberalism, anarchism, conservatism, all of it function as dialectical qliphothic shells within the true ideology of Horus. If you see any of these ideologies as exclusively what you think Thelema is, then you haven't seen Thelema for Thelema yet.

"There is none that shall be cast down or lifted up: all is ever as it was." - Liber Legis 2:58
"To Me do ye reverence! to me come ye through tribulation of ordeal, which is bliss." - Liber Legis 3:62


   
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Posted by: @fraterihsan

Thelema politically is in a category of it's own. Neither left nor right, neither liberal nor conservative.

Neither ......but both also.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


   
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Shiva
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Posted by: @fraterihsan

Neither left nor right, neither liberal nor conservative.

Deem ye not of change - all is as it ever was seems to be an ultra-conservative position ... and there is a definite caste system set forth. There are but three grades. Slaves. Low men. Kings of the Earth. Masters. I haven't even started to sort it out, except for me vs my low man, but all the elements are here for a brutal hierarchy.

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Neither ......but both also.

I find very little in AL that is liberal. It suggests striking hard and low againt rag men who may, or may not, be a master. There is no feeding or saving the multitude.

Posted by: @fraterihsan

these modern ideologies are abortive births of the New Aeon. Both extreme communism, fascism, liberalism, anarchism, conservatism, all of it function as dialectical qliphothic shells ...

I don't remember O.M. listing the same list that you have indicated. AL promotes a sense of anarchy, but of course it cannot be anarchistic in an application that includes three grades, kings who get along, and distinctions between masters and low men.

Posted by: @fraterihsan

... within the true ideology of Horus. If you see any of these ideologies as exclusively what you think Thelema is, then you haven't seen Thelema for Thelema yet.

Yeah, that's about the truth isn't it? It's called projection, which is a word used from time to time around hear. I am still waiting for the "true ideology" to be described ... by RTC, or even AC.

Your phrase "seen Thelema for Thelema yet," suggest there is a hidden glorious (or terrifying) vision of Thelema, and the slide of your comments suggest you know (have seen) what it is.

 


   
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Posted by: @shiva

 

I find very little in AL that is liberal. It suggests striking hard and low againt rag men who may, or may not, be a master. There is no feeding or saving the multitude.

I don't remember O.M. listing the same list that you have indicated. AL promotes a sense of anarchy, but of course it cannot be anarchistic in an application that includes three grades, kings who get along, and distinctions between masters and low men.

There's no politics in AL or The New Testament or the Dhammapada or the Gita.  It's irrelevant,  it's pantomime.  Think about it, when people rant or get on a soapbox about their political views they've debased themselves and become a slave.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


   
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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

no politics in AL or The New Testament or the Dhammapada or the Gita

Okay. That would probably be because they are inner paths, not outer concerns.


   
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Posted by: @shiva
Posted by: @fraterihsan

Neither left nor right, neither liberal nor conservative.

Deem ye not of change - all is as it ever was seems to be an ultra-conservative position ... and there is a definite caste system set forth. There are but three grades. Slaves. Low men. Kings of the Earth. Masters. I haven't even started to sort it out, except for me vs my low man, but all the elements are here for a brutal hierarchy.

Yes brutal hierarchy and 'strength and joy' gets a mention also. Talking of which I don't know if Mussolini or Stalin used leisure programs for the working classes but the Nazis had a  Strength Through Joy - Wikipedia  scheme.  

KdF (Kraft durch Freude )was composed of several departments that had its own specific goals, with each department organizing different leisure activities. It organized activities such as sporting events on factory floors, art exhibitions, discounted concerts and, most famously and popularly, subsidized holidays and cruise trips. One of its largest departments, although sometimes considered a separate organization altogether, was Beauty of Labour, which concerned itself with physical and sanitary improvements of the workplace. KdF was responsible for the improvement of several factories and sports facilities throughout its operations in the 1930s.

KdF was supposed to bridge the class divide by making middle-class leisure activities available to the masses.[3] It also sought to bolster the German tourist industry, something it did successfully up until the outbreak of World War II

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


   
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