words and numbers;
It's hard to tell with the gotchas etc sometimes. There's been many in the past. This is it and apologies for thinking you were doing a gotcha;
What, no apology for me as well, dom? And when I said I didn't care less either!
Though I'm curious: why "Greater" as opposed to "Lesser"?
So not Groupe de Rapporteurs sur le Bruit des Pneus, then? Was wondering where he got this idea Thelemites were so concerned with tire-noise (tyre-noise to you foreigners).
Re-reading now in light of this new information.
jb: Though I’m curious: why “Greater” as opposed to “Lesser”?
Because there's a Great deal of added jumbo and flourishes. Too bad the Chi/Ki/Prana isn't flowing out of the end of the dagger. There's enough flourish to distract a demon, but no punchline to sent it away.
Ig: Re-reading now in light of this new information.
Re-treading your tyres will not help. You need new tyres. Every day.
You need new tyres. Every day.
That is why i am retired.
Ba-doom crash! i'm here all week, folks [cultural transubstantiation for the Brits: "I'll get my coat." For any really foreign people, these are the things our respective nationalities most often say after very bad puns.]
Ig: That is why i am retired.
I hear you and confess to an equitable status.
Leary first laid out seven (7) neurocircuits that represented, or were found in, the seven (7) stages of life. Then he discovered/added the eighth (8th) circuit that encompassed non-ordinary reality, and admitted that not all people attained/activated the circuits from the fifth (5th) [Tiphareth] and upward, ho! But all people were/are imprinted and activated in the first four (4) circuits (these people are known as muggles in current New Age terminology. They have no soul [Tiphareth]. Well, they may have a soul, but they have no "connection" with it.
The seven stages of life are variable, because most people advance in 9-year cycles, while some (a few) move on in 7-year cycles. JB asked whether the casual abandonment of ceremonial work in later years was normal/natural. The answer is yes. I explained why ine Ken Wilber, twenty-year exposition ... somewhere recently in one of these wondrous threads.
So some people get stuck at Netzach for the rest of their lives. They attend churches and dojos, and hope for the best after they expire. Other people do the work, then they get older, but those low-freq (freak) brainwaves hve been activated and put into permanent residence in the brain. Thus, they have access to Liberation even during daily life, but this doesn't happen until one reaches the later stages of life. The fast-moving initiate will come into this glorious realization around age fifty-six (56 = 7 x 8 = the 8th of 7-year cycles), while the "normal"plodder will achieve temporal emancipation around seventy-two (72 = 9 x 8 = the 8th of 9-year cycles).
Whether or not these upper-counted, but lower-frequencied, brain states is variable. It depends on what reincarnated karma, or inherited DNA, is in place. This is why I place emphasis on seeing the potential in any given person, as well as their present state of internal affairs.
Now, the questions remains: How do we correlate the cycles of initiatory evolution with the Tyres of the Sphynx? "Who rides a quaricycle in the morning, a bicycle in midday, and a tricycle in the evening?"
"And do they rely on new tyres or use re-treads?"
These questions dig deeper than their apparent humour and sarcasm.
Finally (thank Horus and the Five Elements), the biggest question is: Liberation or emancipation from what?
Answer: The Mind.
(casually proofread, but number clarity, mathematical equality, and assorted brackets [ ], parentheses ( ), and quotations " ", are not warrantied, guaranteed, or returnable)
And the unicycle?
My son had a very hard time learning the times-tables, and finally learned from a kid's record saying them in funny voices. "7 * 8 =56" was said in this very gruff voice which has stuck in our family's collective imagination. We find the number 56 innately comical, as well as the multiplication, which must be said in the correct voice.
After the boy finally learned his times-tables, my late mother confessed she had been faking it her whole life. They learned their times-tables in fourth grade in the DC suburbs, but in the third grade in Queens. Her family moved from DC to Queens in between third and fourth grades.
56 is about spot-on for when i became Absent-Minded.
Alice Bailey wrote that there is possibility for spiritual advancement throughout life, but after 56 progress could no longer be made ... unless one had already started before 56.
Jung said that anyone who pushes on in the same aggressive approach to life after his/her mid-fifties was moving into psychological disaster.
These quotes are my paraphrased attempt to convey the message, both to younger aspirants (who must wait for any permanent sense of liberation) and older initiates (who might still be pushing it). What is the message? You'll have to figure that out for yourself. LAShTAL is not a teaching site. There are mahagurus over at Reddit who will explain it to you.
In terms of unicycles, that was not part of his/her Sphynxish riddle. The unicycle represents the 8th circuit (non-local reality) and he/she kept that part secret in the 4th power. Everybody knows that one.
I think that's an interesting and sad idea about 'age limits' especially given the average Joe's propensity to ONLY care about spiritual pursuit when they are near death or at least old. Oops too late. Do not pass Go, go directly to Jail. For a few turns.
cs: ...the average Joe’s propensity to ONLY care about spiritual pursuit when they are near death or at least old
Most traditions recommend starting early in life. The ones who do so are the ones who enjoy a measure of liberation in their later years.
We have examples of people who claim liberation in their thirties. Many popular profits [sic] held forth in their thirties. I met one (and only one) who packed a powerful auric whomp at 33; that was foretold in prophecy. Ramana Maharshi was advanced in his late teens. U.G. underwent transformation at 49; that was also foretold. I am citing actual "age prophecies" for specific people.
But usually, the track is laid out in 7- or 9-year cycles. 5 x 7 = 35 = a person who could be well-imprinted at 35 and is radiating Tipharetic energy. See the New Testament, and don't get hung up in specific ages there. Scholars and historians are uncertaion as to exact dates and ages from that era. Others will tell us the whole Jesus legend is a compilation of several, prior initiates, and that Jesus didn't exist at all.
Still, "liberation" in any permanent sense does seem to arrive mid-50s to early-50s.
Analects of Confucius Chapter II 4
The Master said, "At fifteen, I had my mind bent on learning. At thirty, I stood firm. At forty, I had no doubts. At fifty, I knew the decrees of Heaven. At sixty, my ear was an obedient organ for the reception of truth. At seventy, I could follow what my heart desired, without transgressing what was right." (Legge translation)
Bruce and Taeko Brooks The Original Analects Sayings of Confucius and His Successors page 110
jg: Original Analects
I guess that old fellow drew the same conclusion(s) we are reaching.
vain and mean,
unworthy of notice;
not easy to find
one who has studied;
focused on a pay grade .
chapter xi xii
Presumably medieval (and historical) life expectancy rates explained the massive lack of, um, rational behaviour then?
Still, “liberation” in any permanent sense does seem to arrive mid-50s to early-50s.
legend says the oracle was 52
the average Joe’s propensity to ONLY care about spiritual pursuit when they are near death or at least old
His choices ---- In the average Joe's life he can grow up chase the gold, toss away and wipe his feet with the silver that is gifted to him by the universe ensuring no mercurial meld
In the average Joy's Life, she can grow up collecting all the shiny silver tossed away or wiped off by golden feet, appreciate the mercurial meld gifted to her by the universe and make gold...
so three choices.. forgive - accept - punish
the scales will only balance if all has been placed
In 11 Jarrett the brave stated " I can only make a judgment based on the evidence that has been placed before me, I now know I was not given all the facts, I am sorry".
In 19 sorry didn't help nor stop the destroyer of Mother
so that adds another factor to the scales.. that which was taken away creation that was destroyed...
m: that which was taken away creation that was destroyed…
"Liberation is attained not when there is nothing left to give up, but when there is nothing left to be taken away." - Megatron
"The Spiritual Path is a giant Take-away game." - Shiva
“ The Spiritual Path is a giant Take-away game. ” – Shiva
Awesome put together !
"Liberation is attained.."
Quite often, in my experience, when one's tendency to "er" is removed:
L I B E R A T I O N
Simple, really, when you know how.
Here is my advice on "attainment", for what it's worth:
1) Read everything AC wrote carefully, and every other work you can get your hands re mysticism/ attainment/the path/whatever, perhaps less carefully in some cases.
2) Do everything dangerous you can find to do, which will lead you to meet much more dangerous people, do all their stuff too. Spend as much time as possible in wild places. Lather, rinse, repeat.
3) Take AL II: 22 very seriously, esp re entheogens (aka [sometimes prohibited] "mind-manifesting" (and eliminating) substances).
4) Love as ye will.
Ig: L I B E R A T I O N
Basically, both formats mean the same thing. No wonder their spelled similarly. Although Lib may lead to Libros, Libers, Libraries, and Liberace, our present focus remains focused on the focal point: "free."
(Yeah, yeah! Reading books can free a person, but only from ignorance. There are scarier foes waiting in the wings of Netzach)
A Liberated Person is "free," or has been "freed." Freed/free from what?
The Angels sound many trumpets. The weight of a lifetime, and even a lifeline, is couched in many terms: The cycles of reincarnation, The seven circuits of mortality. The seven chakras. The seven veils. The Mind. The Ego, with its child, the ego. Karma. Personal karma, past life karma, inherited karma. These are all the same thing. Toot your own horn, sounding your own words, your own definition of Hell.
I am in favor of Libation For Temporary Liberation. It's only temporal, subject to time limits, but it gives a great Preview of Coming Attractions.
Qabalistic Insert for the Dwellers of Hod:
Libation For Temporary Liberation LFTL (30+6+9+30 = 75 = NUIT .
Now if you're serious (I am not writing specifically here for Ignant's sake, as he already knows, but you probably already figured all that out, what with your sharp mind, and all), and particularly if you're Sirius, you will want to always combine Magic or Rajayog (or both) with your consumption.
The difference between casual ingestion and ceremonial libation can be compared to the difference between the 7th, Akashic circuit and the 8th, Quantum circuit. Think of it as the difference between Chesed and Binah.
Legal Insert: Most libations, suitable for Crossing the Abyss, even if only to say, Hello," and then slide down the Bardos to your bed, are illegal in most countries, except where they're not, if you have the necessary fee in cash in your pocket, and should not be ingested, certainly, in any first-world country.
UK + USA = 93.
Returning to the political aspect of this thread, I see that there's been an attack on LAShTAL Registration by evil robots. Whether we compare them to migrants or terrorists, depending on our leftness or rightness, the fact is that these buggers also recently swamped another beacon of light site; no need to cite references or provide links. Maybe a youTube video?
Seventy percent (70%) of internet traffics is robots. Beware the Borg. I don't know that 70% is accurate because I didn't do the measuring. I'm just parroting some tech site.
Aleister Crowley, or his agents, published a small size Book of the Law in either 1938, or 1942, or some close kin, that was re-produced intact by Solar Lodge.
Historical Insert: Ordo Templi Orientis, London, 1938, privately issued (US edition 1942, although dated 1938) - Wikipedia
It was the version that listed its publication history and linked such acts with major wars that broke out 9 months later. The list ended with "1938 - the war that will destroy civilization." Pretty harsh stuff, eh?
My personal feeling, or insight, or delusion, is that WW1 & WW2 were one war with an intermission, and WW2 never stopped. We read the daily news and see the end coming.
"Oh, c'mon! There's always been wars," yells a drunk robot who avoided the closing of the LAShTAL border.
Sure. History is filled with wars. Little wars. WW means "World War," as in multiple, international aggressors mixing it up. Today, it's a game of International Chess. Multiple nations playing proxy war.
And then there's the damn robots, and cyber-snooping, and digital destruction.
Your only chance of survival depends on your ability to zero out without an external pharmaceutical or power-plant name.
Hey this sin't the first politics thread here;
Anyway apparently a new world or balance of power is emerging. Balance of power means those empires who 'call the shots' basically. In the nineteenth century it was generally Britain and France but the Kaiser wanted a piece. America has long seen itself as the world policeman but the right wing elements are very concerned about losing control as we see the rise of the might of China, Brazil and India.
How will all things Thelemic react to such a power shift? Imagine that , India and Brazil and China as the new superpowers.
Alternative News Media sites, those radical crazy people, have been announcing the proximity of The Event, The Changeover, The Rapture, The Ascencion, The Apocalypse, The "Arrests" of members of The Black Lodge (other terms may apply).
This coincides with my concept of The Transitional Period between Aeons. Ra Hoor Khuit took his Seat in The East at the Spring Equinox in 1904.
"The East" is where Ra rises. "The East" is also a high-up-there realm. It takes Time for that realm to overlap its dimension upon our pitiful world. Thus we refer to a transition zone.
"Various pundits tell us such periods last around 200-3oo years. A review of history shows us this transitional overlap is probably closer to 1000 years, 500 years in either direction from the changeover date.
"It is the Transition Periods that are of interest in this treatise. With astronomical data pointing to 67 BC as the beginning of the Piscean Age, and with modern, western chronologists using our present calendar, based on the Roman church’s designation of Ø BC/AD, as the beginning of the Christian era, we hold that time range (67 BC - Ø BC/AD) is close enough for government work and historical speculation.
"Technically and astronomically speaking, we haven’t reached the Aquarian Age yet, but transition into something new has certainly been underway since the turn of the 20th century.
"The 2,000-year Aeon concept seems to be right on schedule, with the legend of Horus versus Set being the prominent archetype that is overshadowing human consciousness and behavior."
- The Master Codes, Ch 1, Chrono
My most recent calculation put the tipping point in the early 2020s. Pretty close now, isn't it? This was a purely mental calculation, not some mystical insight, and not a message from an angel.
My mystical insight does, however, tell me that the feces in really being shoveled into the oscillator. A potty mouth is not required. Everybody can see the manure piling up in the machine. Let me count the ways:
Climate, gunmen (not often women ... if ever?), North Korea, Hong Kong, Kashmir, Yemen, Gaza, almost all of Africa, Brexit. Surely, I've left some hotspots out ... you can fill in the gaps.
Thelemic politics is an oxymoron.
Thelemic anarchy is closer to the heart of AL.
Tacitus said 63
ok after that interesting portly interlude Imma gunna finish opening the movement of the hidden star like the true hero Im not...
Y'know Robespierre had something on Danton. The latter liked to make money from investments. They say he got rich from the revolution but he (Danton) didn't think that his wealth interests conflicted with his overall political approach.
Could capitalism rise from it's ashes?
I'm thinking of a Mad Max scenario. People would barter but they would (imo) inevitably realise that bartering is inefficient. Maybe RAW was onto something with his Law of Fives piss-take. I assume all here have The Illuminatus novel? The Appendices have various essays one of which is about cycles i.e. the inevitable phases of socio-political and socio-economic interaction based on Hegel's triad of thesis-antithesis-synthesis. This seems be almost mystical-occult and ironically enough staunch materialist Marx was said to have borrowed this idea of cycles and inevitability from Hegel..
“Y’know Robespierre had something on Danton. The latter liked to make money from investments. They say he got rich from the revolution but he (Danton) didn’t think that his wealth interests conflicted with his overall political approach. “
Sounds like Danton was french and of course the other guy how about that the 2.0 version switched the enter return back space key back to normal or at least functional ! Take opportunity of the problem cause a reaction present a solution to duh peasantry be get em in the funnel inclination of the culture and peoples of the time wether individualistic socialistic or something will rise from the other “Y’know add punctuation divide the spaces make it happen by any means necessary to go
Could you elaborate on the inadequate amount of children flowing from the dagger in the banishing video?
d: Could you elaborate on the inadequate amount of children flowing from the dagger in the banishing video?
No elaboration is possible. I don't know what you're asking about.
Do you refer to "The Star of Force and Fire" video on YouTube? Are there kids in the flames? Please be a bit more specific, and I'll check it out. Then maybe I can be elaborative.
Yes, Marx gets a great deal from Hegel. But Marx turns Hegel upside down.
Could you elaborate on the inadequate amount of children flowing from the dagger in the banishing video?
What would you consider an adequate amount of childen flowing, and on whar basis?
On the surface, dom, this seems a strange question from you.
My phone's typo engine converted the word 'chi' to 'children'. Sorry. The G.B.R.P. on page 27 of this thread i.e. my REPLY #115997
@Ignant you're not interested in Wilson's law of fives?
d: My phone’s typo engine converted the word ‘chi’ to ‘children’.
It's little glitches in artificial "intelligence" that will precipitate the apocalypse.
piss-take. I assume all here have The Illuminatus novel?
Nah --- lost mine down a coal-hole (long story.)
Could you elaborate on the inadequate amount of children flowing from the dagger in the banishing video?
As in, does Shiva (or should your readers) agree or disagree with you --- i.e., there is an "inadequate" amount of ki, er, I mean chi coming from the practitioner's dagger, and that they are clearly therefore rubbish at banishing? And was that your wife you were with whom I saw you beating last night?
Why have you chosen to highlight the GBRP rather than the LBRP? This is one of those cases where, on the contrary, Lesser is MORE. With banishing you want something as tight and as drawn-together for projection as possible, surely.
My phone’s typo engine converted the word ‘chi’ to ‘children’.
What's that old proverb about, it's always a poor craftsman that blames his tools? (which doesn't mean to say they're not out to getcha of course)...
It’s little glitches in artificial “intelligence” that will precipitate the apocalypse.
Or, maybe in deference to dom's sometime RAW fixation, you might have meant "immanentize the eschaton"?
Lady Frieda Harris
hippie dom is taking the infernal
discarding the other side
with the bath water
not taking it whole
while the error code
gets figured out
and the concupiscent
on and on
for a moment
T: drone bot
Maybe people in anarchist communes in Barcelona/Paris at that time were doing their Will....but that was there...then.... This is here and now; a different world a different time. Maybe anarchism is obsolete in the West. The crazy teething phase...over.
well if the possibility
I am curious to hear the views of UK posters about "Britain Trump's" recent suspension of Parliament? This is not a question about Brexit. This has not gone well in the past; see the decapitation of King Charles I.
Perhaps presumptuously for a foreigner, I attended the very large demonstration last night outside Parliament.
Best signs: "Stop The Coup De Twat"; "It's All Gone Hong Kong" (_i_ had to point out the "Pete Tong" rhyming slang reference here to my Savage Native Guide).
Where are you all going with this political discussion?
Aren't Communists etc all about 'wages wages wages', 'corporations this and corporations that', this Tax Bill that Tax Bill? How about 'the khabs', 'the khu' and Dharana and so on? Isn't that what Thelema is about?
'You're a wage slave?'. No you're a star as it is written.
d: Where are you all going ...
Who "you all" are you addressing (unspecified in your post).
If it's Ignant, he's a "you," not a "you all."
If it's all us posters, then it's "you all," but I sincerely doubt that "all us" are going in the same direction, so which of "us all" are you addressing.
This is sort of a multiple-choice questionnaire.
Amnyway, I suspect you're addressing Ignant, in the guise of a US Southern Gentleman
We ain’t talkin bout wages
we talkin bout freedom.
you know !
Get the bling;
another house and a car
script loop circuit funnel bug
in the programing
in the matrix terminal.
T: worldling 1.5 level in the matrix terminal.
Oh no you don't. You fully well know that is in ... The Forbidden Zone.
Yeah I see both sides over the parliament suspension manoeuvre. Sure it reminds me of Mussolini or Hitler as it's sneaky and undemocratic but I guess this loop-hole was always there. The other side? The referendum unfortunately was also democratic and the result of the vote was to leave Europe and it's opponents have tried every trick in parliament to stop the will of the voter. Furthermore Europe has not cooperated with the deals proposed. Me? I think the initial educational programs around the issue of leave/remain was very flawed and haphazard. I now hope the vote of no confidence takes place and we either have another referendum and/or just stay in Europe.
I also think you are being a bit aloof in not facing my critiques of the subject of 'Thelema and politics'. In your view that 'smash capitalism, fight fascism' then very one can do their will. I think if 'the people' were to come to ritual magic and yoga then things should pan out from there. You seem to want that in a topsy-turvy upside-down sort of way i.e. isn't this what occultists call confusion of the planes?
In short you claim that everyone will do their Will more so amidst the ashes of capitalism. How so? Elaborate. AC said that capitalism is falling apart but Communism is no solution and what will save humanity is 'a cult of art'. The citation is from Wilson's bio on AC. Can't find page yet.
Second post sorry....and I'm sure AC would've included Anarchism when he used the term 'Communism' otherwise he would've specifically proposed Anarchism as the way forward. He didn't and I'm sure he heard about what was happening in Barcelona and Spain with Franco etc.
T; Forbidden Zone Color Trailer
The word of sin is Forbidden.
General Comment: Didn't Oliver Cromwell march his troops into Parliament and shut it down? Saw so in the Moving Scripture (b&w), "Cromwell." 40-50 years ago.
Here I go again,
No one really cares what I think because I do not have the Care to put Force behind my beliefs in regards to Politik. I much prefer music and movement and books.
But I dislike both Capitalism and Communism and Socialism.
I am mostly for Constitutional Anarchistic Fascism.
In other words, I believe that everyone should be able to do what they want, until it becomes so counter productive that the government has to step in and tell people what to do.
So then you write a constitution.
I think we all have the right to do what we want, and make the monies we want but if we get too big the government should stop us so it's fairer.
It's quite complicated but I hope I made an ounce of sense.
Here we go again, round and round.
IF I be so bold maybe I can put it into one sentence, what I think....:
'You have a mission in life to find out how to be harmonious and productive but first do whatever you want but also realise that you are a spiritual being and have a duty to teach other beings so if you hurt them make sure its for a good reason'
I don't think I helped.
That's my mind today.