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 Anonymous
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23/10/2010 2:26 am  

Given the current activity related to Aleister Crowley's former 'Abbey of Thelema', which is now located right next to a sports stadium/football stadium*, I wonder if he ever wrote anything on mass sports and/or football, or if he - England being his homeland, an important fotball nation - enjoyed mass sports and/or football?

The only mention of mass sports and/or footbal that I have found in Aleister Crowley's writings is this, from Aleister Crowley's 1938-preface to The Book of the Law:

"The Book was dictated in Cairo between noon and 1 p.m. on three successive days, April 8th, 9th, and 10th in the year 1904. The Author called himself Aiwass, and claimed to be "the minister of Hoor-Paar-Kraat"; that is, a messenger from the forces ruling this earth at present, as will be explained later on. How could he prove that he was in fact a being of a kind superior to any of the human race, and so entitled to speak with authority? Evidently he must show KNOWLEDGE and POWER such as no man has ever been Known to possess. [...] The study of these passages [in The book of the Law] necessarily demands supreme human scholarship to interpret--it needs years of intense application. A great deal has still to be worked out. But enough has been discovered to justify his claim; the most sceptical intelligence is compelled to admit its truth. This matter is best studied under the Master Therion, whose years of arduous research have led him to enlightenment. [...] The more than human POWER of Aiwass is shewn by the influence of his Master, and of the Book, upon actual events: and are better understood with the help of the Master Therion. [...] Consider the popularity of the cinema, the wireless, the football

  • pools and gressing competitions, all devices for soothing fractious infants, no seed of purpose in them. Consider sport[*], the babyish enthusiasms and rages which it excites, whole nations disturbed by disp;utes between boys. We are children. How this new Aeon of Horus will develop, how the Child will grow up, these are the way of the Law of Thelema under the enlightened guidance of the Master Therion." Source: http://www.rahoorkhuit.net/library/libers/lib_0220.html
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    "Satan'sAdvocaat" wrote:
    Cara Hecate, [...] Your account of the dealings with this piece of real estate makes for compelling reading. The place is a crumbling, decayed ruin, lurking in the shade of a modern football stadium if I'm not much misguided by the excellent account of the place that appeared in the 'Fortean Times' AC issue a couple of years ago.

    Quoted from the first page of the thread "Save the Abbey of Thelema" - http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-4627.phtml

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    "bazelek" wrote:
    Actually, I think there have been many eager buyers for the last 30 years, but my understanding is that ownership of the building was in dispute. A typical Sicilian situation then. But when the huge concrete sports stadium was built behind the Abbey the building began to fall into ruin.

    Quoted from the first page of the thread "For Sale – Abbey of Thelema (former owner Aleister Crowley)." - http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=4313&highlight=

    Something far out on the "thelemic god horus" and football:

    Sources: and http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php?action=printpage;topic=16094.0
    Something else far out on the "thelemic god horus" and football: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E01Gq9jWaLM


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    lashtal
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    23/10/2010 2:38 am  

    Why did you post this in the "For Sale or Wanted" forum?

    Moved.

    I have to say that this rush of new threads from you really does seem to be scraping the barrel here. Perhaps someone will be sufficiently interested to reply.

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     Anonymous
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    23/10/2010 6:10 am  
    "lashtal" wrote:
    Why did you post this in the "For Sale or Wanted" forum?
    Moved.

    I did not realize, thanks for correcting it.

    "lashtal" wrote:
    I have to say that this rush of new threads from you really does seem to be scraping the barrel here. Perhaps someone will be sufficiently interested to reply.

    http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/Article182.phtml I found on this site, in the hyperlink prior to this sentence, something about Lashtal.com publishing Crowley's Chess Notes. So I thought his 'position', if any, on mass sports and/or football, might also be of interest.


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    steve_wilson
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    24/10/2010 11:57 pm  

    Crowley contrasted mountaineering with football and soccer in the Confessions, and Liber Tzba includes a diary entry about watching a rugby game.


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    Michael Staley
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    25/10/2010 12:12 am  

    It's pretty obvious that if Crowley were alive now he'd support Arsenal.


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    alysa
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    25/10/2010 12:33 am  

    LOL, Michael.


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     Anonymous
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    25/10/2010 1:17 am  
    "MichaelStaley" wrote:
    It's pretty obvious that if Crowley were alive now he'd support Arsenal.

    Hmm... but Michael, did not Crowley write something along the lines of "Brian Laws is for all"???

    That's certainly how I read it anyway, a Claret through and through I'd say...


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    christibrany
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    25/10/2010 3:45 am  

    in my personal experience with the type of mountaineering chess players I have met, they are usually due to those hobbies not the type of people to enjoy or be overly interested in mass sporting events or team sports. they are the solo intelligent type.


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     Anonymous
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    25/10/2010 4:01 am  

    I seem to remember A.C. playing a bit of golf, its in "Confessions" somewhere.....


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    christibrany
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    25/10/2010 8:17 am  

    that fits his profile i think as its also every man for himself
    as far as the game goes
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    Michael Staley
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    25/10/2010 11:51 am  

    The reason I mentioned Arsenal is because Wenger, like Crowley before him, sees his task as the restoration of the Sumerian Tradition. Quick and fluid one-touch passing is designed to echo in the awareness of the spectators, triggering profound shifts in consciousness.


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    25/10/2010 1:13 pm  
    "MichaelStaley" wrote:
    The reason I mentioned Arsenal is because Wenger, like Crowley before him, sees his task as the restoration of the Sumerian Tradition. Quick and fluid one-touch passing is designed to echo in the awareness of the spectators, triggering profound shifts in consciousness.

    Quite brilliant.
    And I thought he'd support the Red Devils...

    PS: Didn't he invent a ball game in CefalΓΉ named Thelema?
    We should organize a thelemite world cup for that game πŸ˜‰


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    25/10/2010 3:22 pm  
    "MichaelStaley" wrote:
    It's pretty obvious that if Crowley were alive now he'd support Arsenal.
    "MichaelStaley" wrote:
    The reason I mentioned Arsenal is because Wenger, like Crowley before him, sees his task as the restoration of the Sumerian Tradition. Quick and fluid one-touch passing is designed to echo in the awareness of the spectators, triggering profound shifts in consciousness.

    My mother would be happy with that, as she, when I was 12 years old, decided that I was an Arsenal supporter. For some reason other Arsenal supporters in particular, and other football team supporters in general, tend to make fun of my reason for being a supporter. I guess it does not help that I know nothing about the footbal team Arsenal, or its results, except that I am a supporter of it. Maybe I should tell my mother about Thelema? πŸ˜†

    But I am afraid that presenting Thelema's most holy book, as a message channeled to the "Beast" and his "Scarlet Woman", revealing to them that "Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law", and that "All questions of the Law[Thelema's most holy book] are to be decided only by appeal to my[Crowley's] writings, each for himself", will predictably be misunderstood instantly by my mother, as referring to hedonism, spiced up with a touch of mere anti-Christianity, and with some topping added, of a personality cult.

    And then my mother would not correspond to what Crowley describes in Confessions as a "seekers after truth", convinced "that there is beyond doubt something worth while seeking, attainable by methods more or less like mine." As presented in the writings on Thelema.

    Maybe I, for my mother in particular, and all others in general, should instead present Thelema's most holy book, as a message of moral relativism, where the individual reigns supreme over itself, and thus lessen the predictability of instant misunderstanding and a bad first impression, due to just repeating Crowley's way of presenting Thelema, an inept and naive way of presenting Thelema, that in the epilogue of Perdurabo: The Life of Aleister Crowley, is mentioned as a main reason for Thelema's utter failure in attracting people, and utter failure in being presented as an understandable and thus worthwhile alternative for the public. πŸ˜‰


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    25/10/2010 4:06 pm  
    "wellredwellbred" wrote:
    My mother would be happy with that, as she, when I was 12 years old, decided that I was an Arsenal supporter.

    You're a lucky guy! Crowley's mother had decided that he was the Beast... πŸ˜‰

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    SatansAdvocaat
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    25/10/2010 5:03 pm  

    I fail completely to understand what you people are on about, or whatever you may be on for that matter.

    Football leaves me as cold as a professional attendant working in a mortuary, but without the grossly outrageous renumeration for doing the task involved.

    Get the 'Arsenal' joke Mick, but am totally at loss with regards to the 'Sumerian Tradition' ??? (Well, I wouldn't be the first one).

    As for your bloody Southerner supporters; there's no better team than Sheffield Wednesday, simply because their totem is an Owl.

    Let he who has wisdom, etc.....

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    spike418
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    25/10/2010 6:00 pm  
    "MichaelStaley" wrote:
    It's pretty obvious that if Crowley were alive now he'd support Arsenal.

    Sorry Michael but that is way out of order. Please see the scholarly article below from TOPY which I find pretty conclusive.

    http://www.ain23.com/topy.net/football.html

    The reference to the uniting of the black and white proves beyond all doubt that he would support (and by god they need it) Grimsby Town ( also translatable as Odins Town). The fact that they are currently undergoing a blue square premier night of the soul in the abyss that is non league only strengthens my argument. They will return, Kali willing, as Magister Templis of the pitch..................


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    25/10/2010 6:31 pm  
    "Hecate" wrote:
    "wellredwellbred" wrote:
    My mother would be happy with that, as she, when I was 12 years old, decided that I was an Arsenal supporter.

    You're a lucky guy! Crowley's mother had decided that he was the Beast... πŸ˜‰

    Hecate

    Had my mother been as deliberate as Crowley's mother, I would at least now have a nick containing the word Arsenal, and a signature message promulgating the Aeon of Arsenal.

    Having no interest whatsoever in football, she just bought me the cheapest scarf she could find in a local shop, syncronisity provided for this being a scarf from the very football club, as MichaelStaley has kindly revealed in this thread, that Crowley would support, if he were alive now.


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    fanadil
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    26/10/2010 6:47 pm  

    Crowley wrote "A Hundu at the Polo Grounds: A Letter from Mahatma Sri Paramananda Guru Swamii (Great Soul Saint Supreme-Bliss Teacher Learned Person) to His Brother in India" (an article interpreting American baseball from the devout Hindu's point of view) for the August 1915 Vanity Fair, so I would assume he'd at least taken in a baseball game or two in New York. The home team at the Polo Grounds (actually the name of the stadium) at this time would have been the New York Yankees. In the Confessions Crowley relates that it was following Gerald Kelly around a golf course (Crowley wasn't actually playing) that Rose explained her situation to him and where he proposed she marry him. I also vaguely recall a reference by him of having created a game similar to handball (or was it cricket? or volleyball?...can't remember) called "Thelema" in Ceflau.


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    the_real_simon_iff
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    27/10/2010 9:06 am  

    There are quite a lot mentionings of AC playing golf in his diaries. See the Aleister Crowley Timeline for a few of them.

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    27/10/2010 11:02 am  

    "Golf is a good walk spoiled." Mark Twain


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    Shiva
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    27/10/2010 4:56 pm  

    "Consider sport, the babyish enthusiasms and rages which it excites, whole nations disturbed by disputes between boys." - O.M. Introduction to Liber AL.


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    the_real_simon_iff
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    29/10/2010 11:24 am  

    93!

    Also he invented - unsatisfied with auction bridge where you can't shake a "fiend" partner of and are liable for your partner's mistakes (in short: you can't do what thou wilt) and therefore are continually involved in stupid bickerings and quarrels - Pirate Bridge, which for a year seemed to have become pretty "hip" in the US before it was finally supplanted by contract bridge.

    He also invented indoor golf and a few other "stupid" pastime killers.

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    steve_wilson
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    30/10/2010 9:48 am  

    I think it is clear that AC would support Man United:
    1) They are the red devils indeed
    2) Their manager is called Alexander
    3) There is no evidence that AC ever had anything to do with Manchester, like most of their fans

    On the other hand, the idea of a Palace of Crystal might have appealed to him.

    As for other sports, the Seattle Seahawks are a bit Horus-y, but then there's the AL LA LA Raiders......


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    01/11/2010 5:21 am  
    "Shiva" wrote:
    "Consider sport, the babyish enthusiasms and rages which it excites, whole nations disturbed by disputes between boys." - O.M. Introduction to Liber AL.

    On the basis of the following on "the Aeon of the child" or "the Aeon of Horus", quoted from page 400 in The Confessions of Aleister Crowley: An Autohagiography, I wonder if sport and "the babyish enthusiasms and rages which it excites," getting "whole nations disturbed by disputes between boys", is supposed to be just a natural part of "the Aeon of the child"? :

    "The child is not merely a symbol of growth, but of complete moral independence and innocence. We may then expect the New Aeon to release mankind from its pretence of altruism, its obsession of fear and its consciousness of sin. It will possess no consciousness of the purpose of its ownexistence. It will not be possible to persuade it that it should submit to incomprehensible standards;it will suffer from spasms of transitory passion; it will be absurdly sensitive to pain and suffer frommeaningless terror; it will be utterly conscienceless, cruel, helpless, affectionate and ambitious,without knowing why; it will be incapable of reason, yet at the same time intuitively aware of truth. I might go on indefinitely to enumerate the stigmata of child psychology, but the reader can do it equally for himself, and every idea that comes to him as characteristic of children will strike him as applicable to the events of history since 1904, from the Great War to Prohibition. And if he possess any capacity for understanding the language of symbolism, he will be staggered by the adequacy and accuracy of the summary of the spirit of the New Aeon given in The Book of the Law."


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