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Who can speak in some depth about the influence that Thelema had (still has) on the members of the British band Coil and the late John Balance in particular? I can see references to Thelema toward the end of
this youtube video of Coil's fascinating version of the song Tainted Love.


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99% of the magical and mystical content in Coils music came from Jhonn Balance, who even before Coil formed was exploring mystical states of mind on stage doing shamanic transformation rituals. Crowley was an obvious influence, though more in the earlier days, later on Spare became a much deeper influence, which became obvious from stuff like "What Kind of Animal Are You?" and Balances explorations of Atavistic Resurgence and nature mysticism.
There are other videos on Youtube , particularly the interview extract from the TV show Hello Culture, where you'll see various Crowley books and at least one painting in their home.
Tainted Love is very old now, the mysticism got really piled on later on. I can't recommend the 2 "Music To Play In The Dark" albums highly enough.


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I can't answer this because I don't know much about Coil. I just have many Coil references in my "things to get"-list (which is rather long). This particular video is rather interesting. I've spent quite a few hours of my life in some gothic/80's clubs where they've often played the original Tainted Love, and where people are flirting with this romantic and even shiny idea of death. This video was rather eerie and seemed to connect the song with actual death. Great art, I need to explore more of Coil.


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anpi, you are quite right. Coil's version of Tainted Love, especially the video , was about AIDS.


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Thats Amazing, I never tire of this.
Coil are probably my all time favorite band, that changes often but Coil always resurface in my consciousness like other music dosnt.

Anal Staircase is the soundtrack to my reading of Diary of a Drug Fiend.

Also, esoterically, when I looked at that it was on its 110, 666 -th view.


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I had never heard of this band till I joined here, they are awesome!!

What an amazing sound, does anybody work with this? Should imagine it's good.

Can anyone recommend what the best albums are?

Lillianu xxx


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"Lillianu" wrote:
I had never heard of this band till I joined here, they are awesome!!

What an amazing sound, does anybody work with this? Should imagine it's good.

Can anyone recommend what the best albums are?

Lillianu xxx

every coil fan will give you a different answer to that one. Their most well known release is probably Loves Secret Domain (LSD, geddit ? ! ) which mixed dance music, glitch, surrealism, william blake and a very heavy sense of drugged out psychosis.
Personally I love both Music To PLay In The Dark albums a lot, the sublime live recording from ATP called "...and the ambulance died in his arms", the wierd and unique sounding 45 minute instrumental computer glitch and hurdy-gurdy workout of "The Remote Viewer" , the series of live albums , called simply Live 1 - 4 documenting some of their intense and overwhelming live shows, dubbed "colour sound, oblivion" by mr balance, and soon to be the name of a 10dvd set of recordings of those live shows rfom across the globe.
Many people love the "Moons Milk (in Four Phases)" releases, a series of ritualised ep's recorded on the equinox and solstices , i'm not personally so keen on them somehow, i think it's the overall sound or production.Bill Breeze plays strings on some of those tracks. There's quite a back catalogue to get through, lots of different sounds, depends what you like really.
Coil don't really exist anymore as Jhonn Balance died a few years ago, falling off of a balcony whilst in the midst of a fortnight long vodka fugue. An accident that you can't help but think he was foretelling in late Coil tracks like "Sex With Sun-Ra" with lyrics like "most accidents occur at home" and the pretty bizarre cover version of the Are You Being Served theme tune that closed their last ever gig, in Dublin, when Balance stood in apparent rapt attention, staring at the ceiling and chanting "Are you ready to go now?"
What upset me most I think, about the death, was that the first track on the posthumously released album "The Ape Of Naples" sounded to me like a new kind of music, which'll never develop any further. An almost ecstatic blend of computers, hurdy-gurdy, breton pipes (french bagpipes) and a sort of liturgical chant. I love that track.
Oh, and they did release one piece specifically for ritual, called "How To Destroy Angels". Being gay, it was designed for "the ritual accumulation of male sexual energy".The sounds of bullroarers and swords clashing dominate it.

For a taste of their live sound, obviously without the lights, strobes, projections of dee's monad and sloths, and incense, have a look here:

http://wassonii.blogspot.com /"> http://wassonii.blogspot.com/

Sorry for my lack of thelemic content, you can return to normal programming now.


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Thankyou, I am now fascinated by them.

Lillianu xxx


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Horse Rotovator and Scatology are essential albums.


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Awesome band, stick Music to play in the dark on your MP3 player and go for a walk around any big city at night. great stuff.

You may also have heard some of their mainstream stuff as they did a lot of work on the early NIN remix albums. Sleazy (the main musician in the band) is also a founder member of Throbbing Gristle and Psychic TV (and therefore ToPY)

Pretty much all the their work can be described as psychological, informed largely by magick and their homosexuality.


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"mrsix" wrote:
Awesome band, stick Music to play in the dark on your MP3 player and go for a walk around any big city at night. great stuff.

You may also have heard some of their mainstream stuff as they did a lot of work on the early NIN remix albums. Sleazy (the main musician in the band) is also a founder member of Throbbing Gristle and Psychic TV (and therefore ToPY)

Pretty much all the their work can be described as psychological, informed largely by magick and their homosexuality.

Ahhh yeah, I have a few NIN albums, will look out for that. ToPY, yeah, I know them guys.

Well, gotta say after listening to what I have done on Youtube, I can imagine that it would be awesome listening to them at night walking round town.

Lillianu xxx


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coil are like: alan moore, philip k. dick, william burroughs, can, aleister crowley, austin osman spare, kenneth grant, h.p. lovecraft etc. - all of it is interesting and none of it is bad, just different!


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Glad that I raised some interest, and Death in June is another of my fav bands, although it is a bit difficult for me to spot the Thelemic influences in their texts.


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The only magical or Thelemic content that Death In June have ever had was when David Tibet was involved, which was a long time ago.


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The only magical or Thelemic content that Death In June have ever had was when David Tibet was involved, which was a long time ago.

I meant just that, I can't see anything Thelemic in DIJ songs, although they are great songs, IMHO.


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"BlueKephra" wrote:
The only magical or Thelemic content that Death In June have ever had was when David Tibet was involved, which was a long time ago.

93,

Thelemic, I see no influence; magically, I see lots. Their albums are covered in runic script. Also theres that song off of 'All Pigs Must Die,' when he says
"From the Olympic City we will cast
Our runic charms, our charms that last
Enough for a pig a day, enough to make them pay
Enough for pigs to disappear in every way"

Sounds pretty magical to me..

The Ape of Naples by Coil is a brilliant album. Agree that I wish I could hear where they were going with that style....

Cheers!
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The "pigs" referred to in the songs on All Pigs Must Die are the staff at the now defunct World Serpent company, subtle it isn't. His interest in runes is part of the overall obsession with Germany and I for one see very little of magical intent in their use. But I've gone off DIJ bigtime. He seems to be all out of ideas. Except for the remixing of all the old tracks Tibet was on, which he then released as a download on his website. That appeared to be some sort of sarcastic comment on god knows what....clear as mud as usual !


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Yes I am very aware of what the song is about and who he is referring to. I also think the album is a curse directed at World Serpent, I imagined that is why the second half of the album is as it is. I don't think Douglas P is any kind of great magus, but I definitely think he has some connection to magick and paganism. Though I think his music has been hit and miss since DIJ started. It seems he runs out of ideas every few years, puts out a bunch of garbage and then comes up with something good. Then the cycle repeats itself.

But to steer this back to the original topic, Woot Coil!

-Te23


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"BlueKephra" wrote:
The only magical or Thelemic content that Death In June have ever had was when David Tibet was involved, which was a long time ago.

Indeed. Brown Book is pretty good...

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Coil is actually how I came to find Thelema.
I had been a fan of T/G and at one point I began to study into Coil and began buying their CD's. What gave me great excitement this Summer at NOTOCON was briefly talking about Coil with one of their part-time members, Hymenaeus Beta.
I had been having a few beers with some folks at bar in Salem after the formal banquet and our group all began to trek over to Knight's Templar Oasis. As I walked down the street, I looked over and saw Beta and so I approached him, saying only the words "The auto-asphyxiating hierophant!!" which is one of the Coil songs he played on, and probably my favorite. He looked quite puzzled at first, and then becamse quite friendly when he realized what I meant, lol. As I was telling him about how Coil is how I came to find out about Thelema, his wife spoke up and said "See! I told you!" to him, by which I think she meant that he didn't realize how Coil was such an influence on some of us.
The other fun part of NOTOCON was sitting at a table over beers with other Thelemites and not only talking about Thelema but about what were our favorite Coil albums, which is something I sadly never get to do.


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On the topic of Coil and Moon Music I just came across this - http://transition.turbulence.org/networked_music_review/2007/11/21/net_music_weekly-earth%e2%80%93moon%e2%80%93earth/
Music is converted into morse-code beamed to the moon and the returning fragmented code is then reconverted back to music and the new moon-altered score played on a grand piano. It's all the idea and work of a certain Mrs Paterson 😆


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