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Due to my resurgent interest in the work of Kenneth Grant i couldnt help wonder if the man has ever been filmed. The more i thought about it i have lots of occult related video ranging from documentaries to inspired movies.....none of which i recall even seeing a mention of KG.
This strikes me as strange that a contemporary (and more so a one time personal secretary) of Crowley has not been included in any of the recent Crowley documentaries. I would much have preferred his input than Mr Colin Wilson!
Does anyone know if the man has been interviewed on camera or involved in any documentaries? Any info much appreciated.

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"dougbrown93" wrote:
I would much have preferred his input than Mr Colin Wilson!

Now, that's something on which we can all agree!

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"dougbrown93" wrote:
Due to my resurgent interest in the work of Kenneth Grant i couldnt help wonder if the man has ever been filmed. . . Does anyone know if the man has been interviewed on camera or involved in any documentaries? Any info much appreciated.

I'm pretty sure that the answer is "no", Doug. Kenneth Grant has been a recluse for several decades now, more so as time goes by, and is an extremely private man. The nearest he has come to an interview is the one published in Skoob Occult Review in 1994 to coincide with the publication of Outer Gateways, and that was him writing in response to written questions from his publisher.


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hi Doug

yes to what has already been said really, there are at best a *very* few photographs of Mr G available, and old ones at that, 1970s-era i think... and so far as any other media than print is concerned, there is the Chakra song "Scarlet Woman" which apparently has KG on backing vocals and that's all i know of for "audio". For a very good idea of everything that has been published by the man I assume you have seen the bibliography of KG done a few years back by Dr Henrik Bogdan? Probably o-o-p now, but should be findable if you have the money to stump up; a slim volume but becoming sought-after, i think it sold originally for 12 UK, and i have already seen it listed on book reseller sites for 25 😯

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"achad" wrote:
. . . there is the Chakra song "Scarlet Woman" which apparently has KG on backing vocals and that's all i know of for "audio".

I was around at the time Mike Magee arranged that recording session (I'm asquare now), though not present at the recording session. It was rumoured at the time that KG was on the backing vocals, but I don't know how true that it. I have to say that I cannot recognise his voice amongst the chorus.

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For a very good idea of everything that has been published by the man I assume you have seen the bibliography of KG done a few years back by Dr Henrik Bogdan? Probably o-o-p now, but should be findable if you have the money to stump up; a slim volume but becoming sought-after, i think it sold originally for 12 UK, and i have already seen it listed on book reseller sites for 25 😯

Henrik is I believe working on some sort of update or supplement, since new Grant editions are being issued all the time - for instance, a Polish edition of some of the material in At the Feet of the Guru was issued a year or so ago; a republication of Outside the Circles of Time is forthcoming; Grant continues to work on Monolith, described as a further Nightside Narrative, etc.

Henrik's work is pretty exhaustive, and is to be highly recommended. I thought the choice of cover - a satyrized pencil-on-wood portrait by Spare - was absolutely lovely.

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hi Michael (and great to finally meet you the other night)

splendid news about a possible update of Henrik's book, i thought it was superb from the (lovely) front cover to the very last word; a really diligent effort

Is it possible to ask Kenneth for a definitive answer about if he is on the record?

rather off-topic; One of those idealised research projects i'd love to do but will probably never happen is a musical-magical crossover look at who in magic is a good enough singer to have recorded and been released professionally, since a good "magick voice" projection is not so far off what pro singers are taught to do with their vocal cords

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93!

There are some 4 or 5 Kenneth Grant photos or portraits on the Internet, the best im my humble opinion being the following one. Is the woman Mrs. Steffi Grant? And what is the date of this photo, roughly? Any feedback much appreciated.

Another thing, I once noticed that a member of Lashtal.com had "aossic" as username, and a passage from AL, III:34 (But your holy place...) as his signature. He posted only once or twice. Was this Mr. Grant?


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that does look very like some of the paintings of Steffi that i have seen, but she looks very young in that pic, and KG does not, so..... a relative?

and i doubt that Mr G is online : )


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Another thing, I once noticed that a member of Lashtal.com had "aossic" as username, and a passage from AL, III:34 (But your holy place...) as his signature. He posted only once or twice. Was this Mr. Grant?

I saw a guy who wrote 'Do what thou wilt' once... was that Crowley? I think it was... cause he wrote something from his books...

Sorry. That was just dumb.

So Grant isnt claiming to be head of mystical schools or anything?


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"Aum418" wrote:
I saw a guy who wrote 'Do what thou wilt' once... was that Crowley? I think it was... cause he wrote something from his books...

Sorry. That was just dumb.

I tend to disagree with you, because: 1. I wouldn't register as aossic if I weren't K. Grant in the first place, 2. Lashtal is online for some time now, and 3. it is pretty unusual that someone else than an high Initiate of O.T.O. would choose for his signature THAT passage from AL. Furthermore, the fact that he had only two posts would confirm my thesis of Grant being occasionally online in the past, rather than someone with 300 or so posts, who is often online (not Grant's case.) This said, I might be wrong, and it might also be insignificant, but I don't think that was dumb.

EDIT: now that I remember better, the signature had also this: Frater Aossic-Aiwass, 718.


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. I emailed the WebMaster about this photograph two or three months ago, since whoever had uploaded it had entitled it "Kenneth and Steffi Grant", when it clearly wasn't.

The woman in the photograph is not Steffi Grant, but the daughter (I think) of Zivorad Mihajlovic Slavinski, who was visiting at the time the photograph was taken. I know, because the same two people visited me later that day.

Why do the speculators in this thread not think a little more before they post their febrile speculations? Grant in this photograph is evidently an old man; the woman here is evidently young; she is, therefore, unlikely to be Steffi Grant.

Grant does not have a computer, and has not posted on Lashtal.

Finally, I do not give a shake of a monkey's penis whether Grant was doing the backing vocals on some record or other. My time with him is limited, and is therefore given over to matters of a little more substance than this.

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"MichaelStaley" wrote:
Why do the speculators in this thread not think a little more before they post their febrile speculations? Grant in this photograph is evidently an old man; the woman here is evidently young; she is, therefore, unlikely to be Steffi Grant.

Understood, and I am sorry... but couldn't the woman be around 40-45 and Grant around 60-65, in the photo? I don't know Grant and his wife and what difference in age they have, furthermore the woman resembled the few vague portraits of Steffi Grant that I have seen, so I was asking, that's all.


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Thank you, Michael.

"MichaelStaley" wrote:
. I emailed the WebMaster about this photograph two or three months ago, since whoever had uploaded it had entitled it "Kenneth and Steffi Grant", when it clearly wasn't.

And the "WebMaster" edited the text to remove the reference to Steffi, although I have to say that I'mgrateful to leahalostrael for submitting this and many other portraits of what the WebMaster oh so wittily refers to as Thelemic Personalities.

Just for the record, the Galleries here include three photographs of Mr Grant, including the one reproduced above.

Why do the speculators in this thread not think a little more before they post their febrile speculations?

You want to try moderating hundreds of the bloody things, Michael!

Finally, I do not give a shake of a monkey's penis whether Grant was doing the backing vocals on some record or other.

"Monkey's penis" or not, I share the interest in this important audio recording. Its production was a significant in the wonderful days of Sothis and the like and I remain fond of it. It's not a million miles from the raison d'etre of LAShTAL, in any case.

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Strange (and slightly amusing) that such a kafuffle can arise over a photograph of a mere mortal. Perhaps it would be understandable if we were discussing images of hitherto incomprehensible stellar intelligences; but a man...?

However, in keeping with the objective of the thread, I would be more than pleased if you turned your gaze hither:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KENNETH-GRANT-DALLAS-COWBOYS-SIGNED-8X10-PHOTO_W0QQitemZ300105876292QQihZ020QQcategoryZ27278QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

Old Kenny-G is looking well, in my opinion.


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he's been working out......

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i'd be interested in an answer for two reasons- to allow people with the (super rare) vinyl to be able to conclusively say KG is on it, thus they can sell it for XXX pounds on ebay (or he is not, in which case it is much less saleable to magickos), and secondly, to still all the speculation (much as glamour and uncertainty is suitably magickal) and allow us to lose that subject for good and move on to other stuff

i've hears a nonsense ?? rumour that Jimmy Page plays on Bulldog Breed's song "Austin Osman Spare", too....

dave e

(and no, i've not got SW on vinyl!)


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"Set-Apep" wrote:
Strange (and slightly amusing) that such a kafuffle can arise over a photograph of a mere mortal. Perhaps it would be understandable if we were discussing images of hitherto incomprehensible stellar intelligences; but a man...?

Point taken. I just get a bit weary of thoughtless speculation from time to time. I used to have the patience of an amoeba living beyond time, but gone are the days . . . long gone.

"Set-Apep" wrote:
However, in keeping with the objective of the thread, I would be more than pleased if you turned your gaze hither:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KENNETH-GRANT-DALLAS-COWBOYS-SIGNED-8X10-PHOTO_W0QQitemZ300105876292QQihZ020QQcategoryZ27278QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

Old Kenny-G is looking well, in my opinion.

At first I thought that this clearly wasn't Kenneth Grant. However, the presence of the number 29 on his shirt makes me wonder. After all, 29 is the number of OKBISh, the Spider who weaves the web of manifestation, the Book of the same number being at the heart of The Ninth Arch.

Makes you think . . .


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"dougbrown93" wrote:
Due to my resurgent interest in the work of Kenneth Grant i couldnt help wonder if the man has ever been filmed. . . Does anyone know if the man has been interviewed on camera or involved in any documentaries? Any info much appreciated.

I'm pretty sure that the answer is "no", Doug. Kenneth Grant has been a recluse for several decades now, more so as time goes by, and is an extremely private man. The nearest he has come to an interview is the one published in Skoob Occult Review in 1994 to coincide with the publication of Outer Gateways, and that was him writing in response to written questions from his publisher.

Thank you for the information Michael.
This actually confirms what i first thought as i may have read something in the past that suggested this. However, i didnt want to presume anything and knew someone here would have the answer.
Thanks to achad for the bibliography info...i hadnt heard of this but will certainly keep an eye open for it.

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"Set-Apep" wrote:
Strange (and slightly amusing) that such a kafuffle can arise over a photograph of a mere mortal. Perhaps it would be understandable if we were discussing images of hitherto incomprehensible stellar intelligences; but a man...?

However, in keeping with the objective of the thread, I would be more than pleased if you turned your gaze hither:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KENNETH-GRANT-DALLAS-COWBOYS-SIGNED-8X10-PHOTO_W0QQitemZ300105876292QQihZ020QQcategoryZ27278QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

Old Kenny-G is looking well, in my opinion.

I only wonder if - had the subject been Uncle Al Crowley - you (or anyone else) would have objected in this way to trivial discussions about his photos, nieces, daughters, grandmothers, drinking habits, smoking tastes, bathroom habits, chess openings, etc. etc. etc...


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that's one of the things i love about this site, you can ask a question about Crowley minutiae and get (usually) very informed answers within 48 hours .... a friend of mine refers to this site (with admiration, not mockery) as "the place where you can find out what colour socks Crowley wore on any given date"

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"lashtal" wrote:
Green today, I promise you.

Once again Crowley was way ahead of his time, cleverly anticipating today's ecological concerns. It's not so well known that Crowley used to wear string vests, attempting to draw attention to the holes in the ozone layer that he knew were just around the corner.

And to think that some people question his status as Prophet . . .


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"MichaelStaley" wrote:
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Green today, I promise you.

Once again Crowley was way ahead of his time, cleverly anticipating today's ecological concerns. It's not so well known that Crowley used to wear string vests, attempting to draw attention to the holes in the ozone layer that he knew were just around the corner.

And to think that some people question his status as Prophet . . .

blessing and worship to the prophet of the holy sky. pun intended.


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"achad" wrote:
For a very good idea of everything that has been published by the man I assume you have seen the bibliography of KG done a few years back by Dr Henrik Bogdan? Probably o-o-p now, but should be findable if you have the money to stump up; a slim volume but becoming sought-after, i think it sold originally for 12 UK, and i have already seen it listed on book reseller sites for 25

Sorry, I should have mentioned that much of the Bibliography by Dr Bogdan is reproduced on Fulgur's site:

http://www.fulgur.co.uk/authors/grant/bibliography/

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It's to bad he didn't explore film/acting in conjunction with his other creative work..or at least not that I'm aware of. Just on a superficial level, he has a very unique look and I can only imagine what sort of material be would have produced or what archetypical characters he'd have best embodied.

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It's to bad he didn't explore film/acting in conjunction with his other creative work

Are you referring to Crowley or Grant here?

If Crowley, it's interesting that he referred to writing several film scripts and expressed interest in the cinema, recognising its significance.

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If there is one person I would like to sit down with and have some time with, it would be Kenneth Grant. I'd love to know who he is, and how his workings have affected him. After a long life of researching and DOING, what are his thoughts on life the universe and everything.
It seems to me that Michael Staley must of earned Kenneth Grants trust over the years.Considering that K.Grant is reclusive, I admire and respect Michael's choice of priority when it comes to do with anything to do with K.Grant himself. But I have to admit, I too am thirsty for any info I can get, so appreciate such threads as this.

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17 years ago, in Skoob's Occult Review, Mr. Grant granted (no pun intended) an Interview, coinciding with the release of Outer Gateways. I'm not aware of any subsequent interview taking place. But it's a very interesting sharing of his thoughts. He is asked WHY he doesn't do public lectures and so on and writes:

"The silent or printed word is more potent than its spoken counterpart except in very exceptional cases, and it reaches those for whom it is intended. People attend lectures for different reasons, but few attend to gain knowledge. They go to meet people, to pass the time, but they are rarely affected deeply by the spoken word, which is quickly forgotten. Books on the other hand have been known to change lives. My own was changed by Crowley's Magick."

That was 17 years ago. So I think its a safe bet that the info available to us is going to be found in the books he has written. Although I agree that it would be fascinating to have some interaction with Mr. Grant outside of this context, I think his books-Trilogies, Novels, Poetry-are, for most of us, going to be "IT."

And I think Mr. Grant would really have it no other way.

(as a "PS," however, there ARE some very wonderful personal anecdotes to be found in his sundry works, where he speaks of his experiences in a more "direct" way..."Remembering Aleister Crowley," the "story" "Necromancy," the relation of Nu Isis Lodge events such as that in the Introduction to Ninth Arch etc. Personally, I found his novel Against The Light to be an incredible sharing of his occult experiences...it is beautiful, haunting, poetic and I would say, after a manner, it DOES, in fact, convey his thoughts on

life the universe and everything

Rumour has it that he's working on a SECOND "Nightside Narrative." I suppose we'll have to wait. In the meantime, Against The Light bears reading after reading.

I believe Alan Moore also wrote a very nice review of this book-"Beyond our Ken." I think it may be found on the Fulgur website, if I'm correct.

Regardless, it's a brilliant book and as much as I love the Trilogies, THIS is my hands down favorite.

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"The silent or printed word is more potent than its spoken counterpart except in very exceptional cases, and it reaches those for whom it is intended. People attend lectures for different reasons, but few attend to gain knowledge. They go to meet people, to pass the time, but they are rarely affected deeply by the spoken word, which is quickly forgotten. Books on the other hand have been known to change lives. My own was changed by Crowley's Magick."

Very nice quote.Thanks for the reminder of that interveiw. Having all of K.Grants works (except the expensively elusive "Outside the Circles of Time", and read them time and time again, and each time falling deeper and deeper into them. As I get more familiar with their content, I start to cross reference putting bits and pieces together. But it is "Against the Light" that I keep getting pulled back into the most.
I find that his writings has a very strong 'magnetism' to them. Whether that is because he is still a living, practicing occultist, I don't know. But I certainly can relate to that quote you provided.

Thanks for the tip for the Ken Moore reveiw. I will go check that out now. Then straight into "Necromancy"!!

Richard

P.S.
A while back I bought a bunch of " Man Myth and Magic" from ebay, with the hope that I was going to get some K.Grant material. But no luck. Can anyone tell me what issues to try for. Or have all those essays been republished in "at the feet of the guru"?


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That is a very nicely put quote, Richard, I will agree with you- and gives me pause to stop and reflect. I can think back to the many lectures given on various occult subjects that I've had the pleasure of attending, and I can remember next to nothing that was said- I can certainly nothing of importance, that's for sure.

That said, however, it does shed some rather interesting light on the fact that he did, indeed, play backup vocals for the "Scarlet Woman." There is a certain power to song that the mere spoken word does not lend its' self to, as it can connect with the individual in ways that simply talking to a person can't do. As a man who only used speech in any form (song or spoken) for a very, very few select things, for the reasons given above, it does intrigue me that he lent his vocals to that song. I'd be curious to hear the piece, myself. It must be rather itriguing, indeed.

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re Man Myth and Magic, even if you had the full set the Grant pieces would be somewhat hard to find as the indexing of MMM is not fully accurate, there are for example some Austin Spare-related articles that are not indexed as such.... somewhere i've seen a good listing of what Mr G did in MMM, which may be in the full bibliography by Henrik Bogdan, see further up this thread for details (i don't have it to hand so can't be certain)

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"Richard" wrote:
Having all of K.Grants works (except the expensively elusive "Outside the Circles of Time" . . .

The republication of Outside the Circles of Time, although behind the original schedule, should be this Autumn.

"Richard" wrote:
But it is "Against the Light" that I keep getting pulled back into the most.

I love Against the Light with its multidimensional structure of dreams within dreams, its rich imagery and haunting language. As Kyle said, it is something you go back to again and again.

"Richard" wrote:
A while back I bought a bunch of " Man Myth and Magic" from ebay, with the hope that I was going to get some K.Grant material. But no luck. Can anyone tell me what issues to try for. Or have all those essays been republished in "at the feet of the guru"?

It's only the MM&M essays on Indian mysticism which were included in At the Feet of the Guru, the body of which consists of articles which Grant wrote from the early 1950s onwards for several Asian magazines.

Although I don't have it to hand at present, I think that Henrik Bogdan's bibliography does include all the MM&M pieces with the issue number.

Best wishes,

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Thanks both Dave and Michael. I shall go a hunting.

The republication of Outside the Circles of Time, although behind the original schedule, should be this Autumn.

That is very exciting news. It is a good year. What with a new Starfire coming AND Outside the Circles of Time, Fulgur doing the Bertiaux books. FANTASTIC!!

Richard


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I would much have preferred his input than Mr Colin Wilson!

Now, that's something on which we can all agree!

Poor old Colin - he critically supports Kenneth Grant's Typhonian Trilogies from day one - probably one of the very few people to do so in the mainstream media in the early Seventies [see the quote on the dw of your elitist first editions of OTCOT and read that review of Hecate's Fountain in the Skoob Occult Review against Suster's and if you haven't already burned it in a giant Wicker Man, look at the last bit of his dreaded "Nature of the Beast" where he recommends the TyphTril's], and yet he's still regarded as a lightweight in the Thelemic boxing ring. Thelema is a creative current not a personality cult, and Wilson's additions to it - welding Husserlian phenomenology to 93, making connections with Maslow's Synergic Society and the True Will, scribbling Lovecraftian parodies [The Mind Parasites etc which are easily as good as Grant's Nightside Narratives], are far too useful to be dismissed just because he is critical of Crowley. This is the Typhonian/traditional argument: do you want a creative current or do you want some rehearsals? Do you want Blake or Swedenborg? Don't throw out the C&C Child with the bathwater...


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Are you referring to Crowley or Grant here?

If Crowley, it's interesting that he referred to writing several film scripts and expressed interest in the cinema, recognising its significance.

I was referring to Grant...but that's some interesting information. Have any of Crowley's scripts survived?


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if you haven't already burned it in a giant Wicker Man, look at the last bit of his dreaded "Nature of the Beast" where he recommends the TyphTril's], and yet he's still regarded as a lightweight in the Thelemic boxing ring.... are far too useful to be dismissed just because he is critical of Crowley.

I don't care in the least that Wilson is critical of Crowley: as I have indicated many times on this site, I am a great admirer of Symonds' series of (highly critical) biographies. I am also quite a fan of Wilson's other writings which I've collected enthusiastically since I was a teenager. However, 'The Nature Of The Beast' is an appalling piece of work. Hence my email to you some time ago asking if he had plans to produce a new, corrected edition. It might be a rushed book or it might be subsequent editing or even poor proof-reading: whatever... Wilson is capable of much better than that book!

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