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05/04/2007 8:19 pm  

What do you think that the 10 or so most sought-after contemporary occult books are? I am speaking in terms of their rarity and expensiveness, not in terms of their popularity or overall sales among the general public.


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05/04/2007 9:57 pm  

Here are some that tend to be expencive.

The secret rituals of the O.T.O.
The Red Flame series
The Mystical and Magical System of the A .'. A .'.
Perdurabo
The Waratah series
The Magical Record of Frater Progradior
Progradior & The Beast
Voudon Gnostic Workbook


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05/04/2007 11:47 pm  
"loveisthelaw" wrote:
What do you think that the 10 or so most sought-after contemporary occult books are? I am speaking in terms of their rarity and expensiveness, not in terms of their popularity or overall sales among the general public.

My to 2 rarities would be anything by:

Pascal Beverly Randolf and Eliphas Levi

L.V.X.
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 Anonymous
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05/04/2007 11:51 pm  

'The Grimoire of the Golden Toad', Chumbley

If anyone has a copy, please PM


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 Anonymous
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06/04/2007 1:05 am  

Sometimes certain books have an overblown reputation . I had a copy of the Voudon gnostic workbook , and found its writing literally poor. It was a dogs dinner that needed editing. In that context a lot of occult books (especially the limited edition books) have a unwarranted reputation. I had copies of Azoetia and A Xoanon limited edition book and found it to be pretentious stuff that retread the ground of Grant and AOS. Most of these limited edition books are all about keeping collectors in pension money and fees for the golf club.


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 Anonymous
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06/04/2007 5:46 am  

My rarity is "Tantra Magick" Amookos

If anyone has a copy, please PM


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20/06/2007 6:33 pm  
"Kiyoharu" wrote:
My rarity is "Tantra Magick" Amookos

If anyone has a copy, please PM

You possibly need to get hold of 'Sexual Magick' by Katon Shu'al (Mogg Morgan) Mandrake of Oxford. I think this is the evolved Tantra Magick (but email Mandrake to be sure). Best --Steven Ashe


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20/06/2007 7:18 pm  

Compendium - John Dee


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20/06/2007 7:37 pm  
"faustian" wrote:
Compendium - John Dee

93!

Don't want to be a know-it-all, but loveisthelaw was looking for

"loveisthelaw" wrote:
contemporary occult books

Also I think the Progradior books are still relatively easy to obtain from Keith Richmond directly at Weiserantiquarian.

Love=Law
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 Anonymous
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20/06/2007 7:48 pm  

The secret rituals of the O.T.O.
The Red Flame series
The Mystical and Magical System of the A .'. A .'.
Perdurabo
The Waratah series
The Magical Record of Frater Progradior
Progradior & The Beast
Voudon Gnostic Workbook

Secret rituals of OTO can be pretty easily found online (I found mystical & magical system of AA also... I hope Im not chastised for mentioning this). The Red Flame series are simply out of print - there are a few #2s left (on Gnostic Mass) but mostly the ones on McMurtry and Wolfe (the most boring in my opinion but oh well - I found Wolfe more interesting than McMurtry).

It is really unfortunate that Perdurabo is so hard to get - I wish something could be done about this.

The Voudon Gnostic Workbook is apparently up at amazon.com now so I doubt this should remain on the list...


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20/06/2007 8:03 pm  
"Aum418" wrote:
Secret rituals of OTO can be pretty easily found online (I found mystical & magical system of AA also... I hope Im not chastised for mentioning this).

I was speaking of the books themselves, not their digitized rendition. If someone, someday, does a digitized version of the Toad grimoire (I hope not), will it lose part of its monetary value? Also will the first edition of the Voudon Gnostic Workbook be sought after in the same way, now that there is a second edition? Also, looks like the O.T.O. is going to reprint Secret Rituals, although in 666 copies only. Have a look here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsRTwVTtvmE

So how about this tentative list (in no particular order):

All the Xoanon books
All the out of print Kenneth Grant books
Mystical and Magical System of the AA
Waratah series
Red Flame series
Liber Niger Legionis
Dark Lily magazine
Zos-Kia: An Introductory Essay on the Art and Sorcery of Austin Osman Spare by Semple
Dark Doorway of the Beast by Gareth Hewitson-May

Just a few thoughts of course...


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 Anonymous
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20/06/2007 8:09 pm  
"Aum418" wrote:
It is really unfortunate that Perdurabo is so hard to get - I wish something could be done about this.

Under thier Special Offers ❗ section the very publishers of this book recently sold a copy of the trade paperback edition for $50! I'm sure it was earlier listed at $99.

You can view this sale here at present.

So as long as the actual publishers are making a mint out of it being out of print, I don't think we can expect a reprint any time soon.


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20/06/2007 8:20 pm  

loveisthelaw: BlackFlag is not the OTO. Its a shame that Weiser and other major publishers wont pick up Grant books and other such things.


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20/06/2007 8:25 pm  
"loveisthelaw" wrote:
Also, looks like the O.T.O. is going to reprint Secret Rituals, although in 666 copies only.

93!

I guess this is a kind of joke (or is this really in collaboration with the OTO?) since this looks like the Black Flag DVD containing PDFs of Secret Rituals from Francis King, Secret Rituals from IHO books and How To Make Your Own McOTO from P.R. Koenig which by the way could easily be added to your list.

The Perdurabo situation is really sad. Not one copy on abebooks. Is this because of the alleged falling out of New Falcon and the OTO? Something should be done about it soon.

But of course occult books always have been rare and I guess will never really change. I was just thumbing through some "old" book catalogues (from the last ten years) - it is fascinating how the prizes went up in a few years. I do this is a lot to torture myself - it is cheaper and safer than other forms of masochism...

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 Anonymous
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20/06/2007 8:40 pm  

The Perdurabo situation is really sad. Not one copy on abebooks. Is this because of the alleged falling out of New Falcon and the OTO? Something should be done about it soon.

My last Google search, which was about a week ago, turned up nothing short of $250 for a copy of Perdurabo. Interestingly, back in January of this year I had placed a copy in my "to buy later" section (and then forgot about it) and the going price was $20. So it is rather interesting that it seems to have suddenly jumped to such prices.

Well, what can ya do? Someday...i'll get a copy, i'm confident. 🙂

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 Anonymous
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20/06/2007 8:41 pm  
"the_real_simon_iff" wrote:
But of course occult books always have been rare and I guess will never really change. I was just thumbing through some "old" book catalogues (from the last ten years) - it is fascinating how the prizes went up in a few years. I do this is a lot to torture myself - it is cheaper and safer than other forms of masochism...

Another form of masochism... I can't blame myself because in 2000 I was concerned with other matters, but I often ask myself, how many of those 77 or so people were lucky enough to buy the Toad grimoire at its initial price from Xoanon?

And yes, occult books are a good investment, but who buys them for the money? If we were materialistic individuals, we wouldn't be here in the first place...


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20/06/2007 8:47 pm  

If we were materialistic individuals, we wouldn't be here in the first place...

:::says to waiter::: I'll have what he's having...and make mine a double. 😉


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20/06/2007 8:50 pm  
"loveisthelaw" wrote:
And yes, occult books are a good investment, but who buys them for the money? If we were materialistic individuals, we wouldn't be here in the first place...

93!

Of course I don't buy books as an investment. But I admit that I am hooked on the talismanic appearance of certain books, sometimes even of books that I am not too fond of, content-wise. And I am not only speaking of occult stuff. I am talking books. And although I won't call myself materialistic, I can't help but notice that if the going gets tough one day, I might admit that I am not surviving on talismanic appearances alone and have to part with some stuff. I said it somewhere before, I am made of many selves, one of them being a bibliophile...

Love=Law
Lutz

P.S. As you can see from my complaining about Perdurabo, sometimes (pretty often I would say) I am all hot for content!


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20/06/2007 8:54 pm  

I remember in about 1979 0r 1980 buying Outside the Circles of Time and Nightside of Eden for under a fiver in the remainder section of a local book shop.....

I think I sold them later for less than I paid to try and reduce an overdraft!


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20/06/2007 8:56 pm  
"adonia444" wrote:
My last Google search, which was about a week ago, turned up nothing short of $250 for a copy of Perdurabo.

93!

Anybody seriously considering paying that much for the Paperback should definitely consider this one: http://www.sitecenter.dk/noxrex/perdurabo/

That's a nice book, take a further look here: http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/module-pnMediaLibrary-display-id-413.phtml

Love=Law
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 Anonymous
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20/06/2007 9:06 pm  

Further to my list:

the Trident Books grimoires, especially the Demonographia.


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 Anonymous
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20/06/2007 9:11 pm  
"the_real_simon_iff" wrote:
"adonia444" wrote:
My last Google search, which was about a week ago, turned up nothing short of $250 for a copy of Perdurabo.

93!

Anybody seriously considering paying that much for the Paperback should definitely consider this one: http://www.sitecenter.dk/noxrex/perdurabo/

That's a nice book, take a further look here: http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/module-pnMediaLibrary-display-id-413.phtml

Love=Law
Lutz

That version of Perdurabo is absolutely beautiful - how come Kacyznski doesnt make it available on something like lulu.com?


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 Anonymous
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20/06/2007 9:32 pm  

Whats interesting about that link to the fancy edition of Perdurabo is the pictures accompanying their copy of the Azoetia for sale.

A Fulgur prospectus is in one photo announcing its imminent publication in an edition of 300. I'm assuming Fulgur were supposed to publish it and Xoanon ended up doing the deed for some reason but it got far enough that a prospectus was produced. Wheres Mr. Fulgur? Perhaps he can tell the full story?

(Or perhaps produce an expensive limited edition book with the full story in it) 😀


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 Anonymous
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20/06/2007 9:33 pm  

93 all

What about "Magical and philosophical commentaries on the Book of the Law" by Grant & Symonds? I can only find one copy for £350!!!
And maybe some of the 1st printings of the *fake* Necronomicons??

93 93/93


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20/06/2007 10:12 pm  

the 1st printings of the *fake* Necronomicons

I was just thinking the same thing! Esp. as I've been recently reading SIMON's "Dead Names."


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20/06/2007 10:29 pm  

93!

What about Kyle Fite's LAM TAROT? Ooops, I'm sorry, I took another look at the future...

Consider it pre-ordered!

Love=Law
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 Anonymous
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20/06/2007 10:36 pm  

Seth: God of Confusion

It is a daily struggle to stop myself from paying the £350 asking price...!

I read some time ago that members of the Temple of Set now own the rights to Te Velde's masterwork, and that they planned to reissue it sometime in the near future. Unfortunately, the email I received in response to my query stated no such thing. If anyone can enlighten me further, I would be very grateful.

I would also appreciate reading Stephen Sennitt's Monstrous Cults, as well as Dark Doorway of the Beast, by Gareth Hewitson-May. Also, Outside the Circles of Time is something I look forward to reading immensely...but that, strangely, is just a matter of time.


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20/06/2007 11:15 pm  

93

I have a friend who is selling a copy of Perdurabo for about 50$ if anyone wants it. I paid cover price for mine when it came out, i wish i knew what it was going to be worth, i would have bought 20 copies!!

93 93/93


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 Anonymous
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21/06/2007 12:10 am  

The same thing goes for The Mystical & Magical System of the A.:A.: I paid cover price for mine from B&N or Amazon or something, I don't even remember. It blew my mind yesterday, reading through these forums, how much in demand that book is.

I actually haven't had any issues tracking down any of the books that I've wanted. I am looking at going back and trying to collect all of the Red Flames, which could prove problematic/expensive.


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21/06/2007 12:13 am  

My top 11

0. Those books unwritten by any mortal hand
1. The Dragon Book of Essex Andrew Chumbley
2. The Grimoire of the Golden Toad Andrew CHumbley
3. The Green Gospel Andrew Chumbley
4. The Azoetia Andrew Chumbley
5. Beyond the Mauve Zone Kenneth Grant
6. Qutub Andrew Chumbley
7. Secret Rituals of the OTO Koenig et al
8. Ars Philtron Daniel A. Schulke
9. Voudon Gnostic Workbook Michael Bertiaux
10. Garden Pleasure of Shadows Daniel A. Schulke

Force and Fire is not metaphorical. In Prophetes Veritas Venit.


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 Anonymous
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21/06/2007 1:08 am  
"loscult" wrote:
A Fulgur prospectus is in one photo announcing its imminent publication in an edition of 300. I'm assuming Fulgur were supposed to publish it and Xoanon ended up doing the deed for some reason but it got far enough that a prospectus was produced. Wheres Mr. Fulgur? Perhaps he can tell the full story?

(Or perhaps produce an expensive limited edition book with the full story in it) 😀

Happy to oblige Loscult. The reprint of Azoetia was to be the second book Fulgur was to produce for Andrew. We reached a very advanced stage: the book was typeset, the illustrations placed, and it was ready for press except, perhaps, for the final polish. Flyers were even produced. Then, rather unfortunately, my life fell apart: redundancy, divorce and homelessness all within the space of three months. Mindful of Andrew's expectations, I encouraged him to publish it himself under the Xoanon imprint and this he did, although he completely reworked our original design. I seem to recall Fulgur intended to produce 600+ copies, divided equally between USA and UK, but perhaps this leads neatly into some context for this thread vis-a-vis the perceived rarity of Xoanon's titles.

Although it seems unimaginable now, there was a time when Azoetia was very much available. Published in 1992 at £15.00, it was after three years of slow sales that Andrew and I discussed the demand for his next book, Qutub. On the face of it, a book of Sufi poetry by an unknown author does not seem much like a commercial prospect. I therefore encouraged Andrew to add further material and he included The Rite of the Opposer, a commentary and a fascinating glossary. Despite this, we felt an edition of 500 copies should last a few years and we were not wrong. Qutub was published in 1995 at £12.00, but by 1998-1999, Andrew still had copies of both the first edition of Azoetia and Qutub and as any author will tell you: there is nothing more depressing. The very limited number produced of the Toad Book was Andrew's response. The original price was modest, but the subsequent prices have set a bench mark for a modern author. No one was more surprised than Andrew. Somewhat cautiously, subsequent editions from Xoanon have returned to the low hundreds - and are still very modestly priced given the quality of the work. Just remember to buy one when it first appears... 😀

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21/06/2007 1:27 am  

Put me down as one hungry for Perdurabo and I'd love to replace the first edition Necronomicon that was stolen from my sanctum back in the early eighties.

Not being in my library, and thus unable to check my notes on the subject, a rarity that was rumored to be circulating in the late seventies is a grimoire whose title tranlated as The Book of Dead Trees. Three copies, painstakingly by hand, were said to be out and about, and it was said at the time that Grant was in possession of one of them.

If anyone has any info on this, please PM me.


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21/06/2007 2:10 am  

The first edition of Spare's Book of pleasure is the most expensive book I ever bought. I got it for the iconic value of a first edition as an AOS fan. The most let down I ever felt over a book was Kings Secret Rituals of the O.T.O. back then the only book of Initiation rituals and grade papers that had been puplished were Regardies Golden Dawn book. The OTO book seemed small and uninteresting at the time. I still have the OTO grade documents and some needed bits from the a loaned copy of Koenigs book. I thought the rituals were bad psychodrama. The next King Crowey title Crowley on Christ was much better and I still have that title now.
The OTO books were pre internet and nobody was around to raise the copyright issue. It is of course a different world now. If any OTO members object to my not likeing the OTO initiation rituals sorry horses for courses. At that time I was more into Wicca and Chaos Magic bbefore things went wrong-long story.
Best Wishes Robert.


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 Anonymous
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21/06/2007 2:35 am  
"loveisthelaw" wrote:
Also will the first edition of the Voudon Gnostic Workbook be sought after in the same way, now that there is a second edition?

A good point. Look what I just stumbled across:

Look at what you could have won...


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21/06/2007 10:28 am  

In terms of the price now for the first edition VGWB, I think its interesting to note that that things like the first edition Hidden Lore and Images and Oracles arent going for half as much as they did before the reprint. Plus the first edition VGWB had pretty bad typography (I hope corrected in the new edition) and was missing a substantial amount of illustrations which were given away free after its publication. In fact the latter are still available if Im not mistaken as a pdf on a few websites and worth a download too as its essentially some nifty Bertiaux artwork.

Thanks bazalek for the info - perhaps you could also finally clarify Fulgur's stance on reprints. Theres an interview with Mr Semple on a few websites where he states clearly that Zos Kia, for example, will never be reprinted. Is the Fulgur policy no reprints ever? Or would you like to reprint maybe somethin like Qutub? Or what if you were asked to? Its just something thats raised here quite a bit. 🙂


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21/06/2007 10:36 am  

Demon of the Knife by Daniel A. Schulke
And Grant's The Ninth Arch


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21/06/2007 11:13 am  

Is there actually a book called Demon of the knife by Daniel Schulke? Googling brings up two references both from forums associated with Traditional Witchcraft

i. The yahoo group - The Witches Sabbath show a picture entitied "Demon of the Knife" on their front page
ii. The Crooked path forums also have a mention to it - referring to it as a book but the poster has only heard of it once and says not to quote him.

There are no references to Demon of the Knife in Ars Philtron or Veridarium Umbris, neither is it mentioned in anything by Andrew Chumbley that I have read, nor in issues of the Cauldron. My best guess is that the reference to the picture got confused along the way with people referring to it as a book.

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21/06/2007 12:51 pm  

By the way:

After first saying that the reprint of the VGWB is on its way, amazon now writes me that delivery is delayed until July 10 or so...

Love=Law
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frater_cug
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21/06/2007 1:58 pm  

Did they charge you yet?

Mine should be here tomorrow or Sat. (or so they claim)


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21/06/2007 3:16 pm  
"loscult" wrote:
Thanks bazalek for the info - perhaps you could also finally clarify Fulgur's stance on reprints. Theres an interview with Mr Semple on a few websites where he states clearly that Zos Kia, for example, will never be reprinted. Is the Fulgur policy no reprints ever? Or would you like to reprint maybe somethin like Qutub? Or what if you were asked to? Its just something thats raised here quite a bit. 🙂

Many large publishers will make most of their money from reprints, after all, once the design and editing costs have been met by the first edition, any subsequent issue offers a larger profit margin. However, our business profile is slightly different from Phaidon or Random House. Our time is given free, so the production costs reflect only the printers work and raw materials. A reprint is therefore as expensive as the first edition.

When you consider a book such as Zos Speaks! cost around £25k to put into print (nearly 10 years ago!), you need to ask very carefully if there is sufficient demand to warrant a second edition? Such a project would be very risky, even if a pool of 50+ collectors were driving high OOP prices. Alternatively, would our existing buyers prefer to see us do something new? Judging by the comments I receive, the consensus seems to be 'something new'...

I am not adverse to reprints: Hidden Lore and Images and Oracles were both exactly that, but given my time is very limited and the number of projects that need to be done is considerable, I have always felt it better to push ahead than to retread familiar ground.

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21/06/2007 3:29 pm  

Such a project would be very risky, even if a pool of 50+ collectors were driving high OOP prices. Alternatively, would our existing buyers prefer to see us do something new? Judging by the comments I receive, the consensus seems to be 'something new'...

Is there some way in which Fulgur might address the POSSIBILITY of any given new project on the official website whereby interest might be polled...for example, if X amount of people all expressed a definite interest in seeing and purchasing a given project, the projected return on said project might be a little less risky...of course, part of "X amount of people" might just be clicking a button out of idle enthusiasm while hanging out with their computer...perhaps a proposed project could not only solicit and receive an expressed interest but follow up with gathering pre-orders, which would significantly lower the overhead and ensure the time and effort to be a fruitful thing...of course, the purchasers are going to have to be prepared then for the subsequent WAIT-but this seems to be a bit how the Fulgur approach to publishing goes, taken the route of craft over mere mechanistic production. I suspect that many of us would be happy to order a volume and give it due time to manifest. The website could also provide updates on the publishing process which would be an enjoyable vicarious journey to finally owning another lovely tome...


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21/06/2007 4:14 pm  

93
Well, I guess mine would have to be "Foundations of Practical Magic" by Regardie, seeing as I just purchased this one, I happen to be a Regardie fan, so this was a good find for me. I found it first ed. so I need give my bank account a rest now!
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kidneyhawk
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21/06/2007 4:21 pm  

I need give my bank account a rest now!

LOL-! Me, too-having just completed my collection of the Trilogies, including the "White Whale" BTMZ, I'm quite happy with my bookshelf!

But looking towards the future (poverty!), I am very excited to receive MB's CM (should have arrived in the States by now and in process of getting shipped) and wonder where the Ontological Graffiti project is at-?

MUST HAVE pretty much whatever Starfire & Fulgur continue to release.! Aside from that, I can rest contented with my Weiser Paperbacks of AC and such.


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faustian
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21/06/2007 4:27 pm  

contemporary occult books??? - see Harry Potter.


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21/06/2007 4:36 pm  
"zain" wrote:
Most of these limited edition books are all about keeping collectors in pension money and fees for the golf club.

A somewhat sweeping view, zain, and one with which I don't agree. I have many of the Fulgur deluxes - beautiful books which I appreciate as such and have no intention of selling. It is surprising how infrequently copies of these deluxes come up on the market - for instance, I cannot remember the last time I saw a deluxe Zos Speaks! for sale anywhere, though the recent sale of John Balance's books might have included that and other deluxes. In similar fashion, in the early 1970s I bought a first edition of The Equinox of the Gods, a lovely book that I am unlikely to sell.

I've noticed similar remarks from you before, and am a little curious as to why you have such an animus against people who buy these editions.


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21/06/2007 6:57 pm  
"kidneyhawk" wrote:
Is there some way in which Fulgur might address the POSSIBILITY of any given new project on the official website whereby interest might be polled...

I rather like this idea, because its very democratic, but at the moment we have sufficient projects for at least the next ten years, assuming two books a year. As for demand, I tend to trust my gut feeling, but having survived this far I would hope it proven!

Zain, your comments about deluxe editions are understood, but from the very outset Fulgur (and Starfire for that matter) have always strived to give customers choice. Images and Oracles, for example, was available in three editions: deluxe (£120.00) hardback (£40.00) and paperback (£19.50). The quality of reproduction, paper and content is identical in each. The paperback is even sewn and glued, rather than the cheaper method of 'perfect' binding. I might hope you would agree this offers something for every pocket without prejudice.

bazelek


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21/06/2007 7:32 pm  

I don't think there would be any purpose in reprinting Zos Kia as apart from a few bits of information and one illustration everything in it has been published elsewhere.The biographical info has been rendered pointless by the intro to Burough Satyr and Frank Letchford's Michelangelo in a teacup.
The art work is available in other books or online. It was a very good book at its time of publication but seems dated now. The same is true of most of Dr William Wallace's books. The best book published by Fulgur is Zos Speaks as it allows Spare to speak for himself.
Perhaps in some years there will be a new Spare revival and the publication of more letters, note books and so on by Spare himself.

If I could have any book I would like to own an original William Blake hand coloured by the man himself. But that seems unlikely unless I find a gold mine at the bottom of the garden.
Best Wishes Robert.


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21/06/2007 8:30 pm  

Im pleasantly surprised and saddened at the same time as to the situation around Perdurabo.
I too bought a copy on release. Coincidentally i planned to reread it in detail based on some other threads here only to find it has been elevated in my collection stakes!!!!
I too subscribe to the view of books as talismans that can often represent more than their actual contents. I have a small to modest collection that i love to look at and dip into now and again. But am pained that i cannot really get into them and taken them with me on my travels for fear of damaging them and then seeing their price going up.

On a lighter note my wife does insist that when i leave this mortal coil theyre all being sold. Folks who know me can put away those bannana skins 😉
Now to look for a cheap 2nd copy of Perdurabo!


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21/06/2007 8:46 pm  

I can't accept the arguments put forward for not re-printing Zos Speaks! The correspondence section alone makes it worth its weight in gold and is not printed elsewhere. The quality of the reproductions is superb and isnt replicated elsewhere, the majority of the art within is not available elsewhere and the contextualising of the Grimoire and Logomachy makes the book probably the most important modern AOS publication and I cant see that changing in the near future.


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21/06/2007 8:59 pm  
"loscult" wrote:
I can't accept the arguments put forward for not re-printing Zos Speaks! The correspondence section alone makes it worth its weight in gold and is not printed elsewhere. The quality of the reproductions is superb and isnt replicated elsewhere, the majority of the art within is not available elsewhere and the contextualising of the Grimoire and Logomachy makes the book probably the most important modern AOS publication and I cant see that changing in the near future.

For once we are in agreement, if you can write me a cheque for £25k I'd be happy to oblige you in full.... 😉

Seriously though, this book has been in print for nearly a decade at £40.00. I would suggest that anyone who is seriously interested already has a copy. Until the market grows to demand a second edition (I would estimate 15-20 years) a reprint is unlikely to be a viable proposition.

bazelek


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