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lashtal
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21/06/2007 10:00 pm  

An update from Dr Kaczynski:

I'm both honoured (to be in such esteemed company) and appalled (that the fruit of my labours is in such demand but unavailable to be enjoyed).

Here's the situation: New Falcon printed 3,000 copies. I obtained an additional 111 sheets, and had them bound into a red bonded leather edition of 104 and a deluxe black kidskin edition with slipcase of 7 copies. All editions are completely sold out. For business reasons which need not be discussed here, New Falcon and I mutually decided against a second printing. The decision had nothing whatsoever to do with New Falcon's business dealings with O.T.O. Furthermore, the decision was perfectly amicable, New Falcon kindly released the rights to the book back to me, and I have had only positive experiences working with this publisher.

I am looking to get Perdurabo reprinted, but the difficulty is that prospective publishers see the 3,111 copies out there as having already tapped a large portion of the market.

And since this question was raised on the LAShTAL forum: Every copy of Perdurabo that I or New Falcon have sold has gone for cover price. The only people making money off the high second-hand prices are the used book dealers and private sellers. There's absolutely no incentive for me to keep Perdurabo out of print, and I look forward to the day that it is available in stores again.

The reason I haven't put Perdurabo on something like lulu.com is that it would only exacerbate publishers' reluctance to reprint it, and pretty much guarantee it never sees a proper second edition.

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22/06/2007 12:41 am  

93
Thanks for posting this for me. And (now that I'm here) thanks also to everyone for your interest. Rest assured that I didn't spend all those years of my life researching and writing "Perdurabo" just to let it languish; and that once there's news, it will be on LAShTAL.
93 93/93

Richard

PS--My copy of VGWB was shipped yesterday, so should be arriving Friday or Saturday. Can't wait to see how it's different from the original.


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22/06/2007 3:35 am  

In response to an earlier post.

I have both Tantra Magick and Sexual Magick. Though they would be a good read together, Sexual Magick is not a revision of Tantra Magick. Though if you talk to Mogg from Mandrake he might set you up with Tantra Sadhana, which is a pdf based on Tantra Magick, though with revisions....

Cheers!
-J


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22/06/2007 4:16 am  

the fruit of my labours is in such demand but unavailable to be enjoyed

With some degree of embarassment, Richard, we've not been able to obtain a copy. The reputation of Perdurabo, however, has quite preceded the book itself and we're anxious to find a copy, be it a stroke of good luck with the first edition or a check written for the second (so nix my words above regarding the "completed library"...Good Lord, it's NEVER complete!!!!)

VGWB was shipped yesterday, so should be arriving Friday or Saturday

Then it's officially "OUT?"

Wonderful-!

Heading over to Amazon-!

93,

Kyle


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22/06/2007 4:30 am  

but at the moment we have sufficient projects for at least the next ten years, assuming two books a year

Wow-!

May I simply say this is very, very cool-?

We paid around $80.00 for Zos Speaks-the book was MUCH bigger in size than I thought and really IS worth whatever you need to pay for it if you are seriously into Spare. What an incredible volume. The "letters" section is utterly fascinating and thanks are due to Kenneth and Steffi Grant, as well as Robert (Fulgur) for making the book a reality. It was expressed on some other thread that I was being (ahem) "blasphemous" for comparing Spare to Blake but I stand by my "blasphemy." Anyone who falls in love with Blake wants MORE...I used to pay a bit of a sum to receive "Blake: An Illustrated Quarterly" for that "more." I can't help but see Spare as the return and reincarnation of Blake, even though I think the "Magickal Memory" can be dodgy territory. In his lines, one feels Blake's lineaments resurgent. Not imitated but PRESENT. And Spare, so amazingly prolific, delivered the goods-and then some!

"Zos Speaks" is impeccable.

This is not a book to obtain for resale but one to be valued at whatever the cost.


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22/06/2007 5:41 am  

Spare denied being the reincarnation of Blake. It was an idea a lot of people tried to push onto him but he completely denied it. I think Blake dealt with more relavant thinks such as slavery,war,prostitution and so forth. Its a lot more difficult for people to "get into" Spare as his points of refference are more personnal than Blakes.
Best Wishes Robert.


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22/06/2007 6:01 am  

Spare denied being the reincarnation of Blake

Yeah, poor Blake is in denial still!

LOL!

The only other candidate for Blake back on the Earth-Plane, I think, is Ernst Fuchs. He, too, denies it. We actually discussed this for a few minutes when I met him-!

Perhaps its a very specialized influence which manifested in Blake and was also opened to Spare and Fuchs. Either way, I have nothing invested in the theory. All three are God-men of Art.

And by the way, we should talk about divining rods and other people's gardens! You see...I, too, would find an original Blake more precious than the Diamond Skull (of course, we could sell that, too-and get some seriously wonderful stuff!).

Wouldn't it be absolutely incredible if a Blake sketchbook was offered in the same format as Spare's "Adventures in Limbo?"


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22/06/2007 8:08 am  
"kidneyhawk" wrote:
Wouldn't it be absolutely incredible if a Blake sketchbook was offered in the same format as Spare's "Adventures in Limbo?"

Perhaps this might be a moment to mention one of our biggest influences: The Trianon Press. This was founded back in the 40s by Geffrey Keynes to promote the work of Blake... lovely standards and deluxe issues. They used to be affordable secondhand, but no so much anymore.

http://library.ucsc.edu/oac/exhibits/trianon/trianon.htm

Spare always denied Blake being an influence, but I agee with you KidneyHawk, the similarities between the men are numerous... All Religions are One, after all. 😉

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22/06/2007 10:18 am  

I must (again, shocker) agree with bazalek, the Trianon Press editions are fantastic - though very pricey (normally starting around the 2k mark). There is however an affordable slipcased Marriage of Heaven & Hell that was jointly produced by Trianon and (and I'd need to double check my own copy) OUP that is worth seeking out as it its a sort of smaller-scale example of the effort they put into their reproductions.

I cant agree with the point that Spare's art was wholly personal either though. Theres a myth of AOS which just doesnt make any sense, the 'mad genius' living in a bedsit, producing art while completely disconnected from everything around him. Its a myth that surrounds most artists and is never true.

Spare's art is often very much of its time, often derivative and clearly inspired by other art and social movements going on during certain periods of his life. Exactly the same way Blake's was. None of this in any way detracts from his work, but lets not romanticise someone to the point of strecthing credulity. And while Blake certainly dealt with things like slavery, war etc, AOS incorporated the same sort of relevant issues into his work and was influenced by them. All artists are alike in that respect.


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22/06/2007 6:02 pm  
"loscult" wrote:
Plus the first edition VGWB had pretty bad typography (I hope corrected in the new edition) and was missing a substantial amount of illustrations which were given away free after its publication. In fact the latter are still available if Im not mistaken as a pdf on a few websites and worth a download too as its essentially some nifty Bertiaux artwork.

I just received the new VGWB in the mail. On first glance the typography is still pretty bad (other than the 2007 preface) and there are no illustrations in the book.


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22/06/2007 6:39 pm  

Oh dear - so nothing from here? http://www.otoa-lcn.org/files/VGW_Missing_Drawings.pdf


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22/06/2007 6:46 pm  

Thanks for the link.. but nope nothing like that in the book.


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22/06/2007 7:06 pm  

Hmmm....maybe its too early for everyone here to rapidly get un-excited about the reissue but that seems quite odd - especially as its billed as the 'expanded edition'. Weiser are lazy as can be but this would take it to new levels.


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frater_cug
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22/06/2007 7:53 pm  

Hummmm.

I was just wondering about something and downloaded a scan of the first edition. Other than the new 2 page preface I do not see anything "Expanded" about this edition.

The table of contents is the same, and every random page I checked (About 40) looked to be exactly the same and they both have 619 pages.

I'm not bothered too much as I don't have the first one, but if you already have it you may want to wait until someone who has both can verify they are identical.


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22/06/2007 11:32 pm  
"rkaczynski" wrote:
93
Thanks for posting this for me. And (now that I'm here) thanks also to everyone for your interest. Rest assured that I didn't spend all those years of my life researching and writing "Perdurabo" just to let it languish; and that once there's news, it will be on LAShTAL.
93 93/93

Richard

PS--My copy of VGWB was shipped yesterday, so should be arriving Friday or Saturday. Can't wait to see how it's different from the original.

93 Dr Kaczynski,

Perdurabo is the best most level headed bio iv'e ever read on A.C., thank you so much for all your hard work and dedication.

chris


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26/06/2007 8:16 am  
"loscult" wrote:
Hmmm....maybe its too early for everyone here to rapidly get un-excited about the reissue but that seems quite odd - especially as its billed as the 'expanded edition'. Weiser are lazy as can be but this would take it to new levels.

93 loscult,

Unfortunately it may be time to get un-excited. I received my copy in the post today, the diagrams are (still) missing and it is actually a facsimile of the original. As it has been mentioned, the only new content is the introduction.

Disappointing, but I am sure 'Cosmic Meditation' will more than make up for it!

93 93/93

S.


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26/06/2007 10:15 am  

I have wanted to see a nice modern edition of the complete works of Jakob Bohme in English for a long time.


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26/06/2007 7:50 pm  

... Lashtal has just informed me that my recent new thread about Perdurabo is actually being discussed here. And so it is. He is locking that ill informed thread so I will place my most recent comment about this News here ..

" ....ah I see that the Dr. himself has given an explanation in the Rare Occult Books thread. Pardon my ignorance. It is strange though that he does not want New Falcon to reprint it and is instead looking for another Publisher. And yet - he states that he has had nothing but good dealings with the Publisher. Could it be that he feels the book could reach a wider audience with another publisher? I have seen the Sutin and Booth biographies in major bookstores, while Perdurabo, which is infinitely more informed in every way is not. "


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27/06/2007 12:02 am  

What can we do to help get Perdurabo reprinted?

Is there anyone at this publishers we can collectively solicit to show that there is a market.


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27/06/2007 10:33 am  

... the fact is that the timing of Perdurabo was good, and bad.

Good, because after reading 'A Magick Life' by Booth, and 'Do What Thou Wilt' by Sutin, anyone with an above average knowledge and sympathy for AC must have wanted to write their own biography with some REAL STUFF IN IT without the authors poor opinion of Crowley discoloring everything, and did not have to, 'cause Dr. Kaczinsky did it first.( saving 10 - 20 years of labour)

Bad, because 3 Crowley biographies on the market at around the same time is stretching things just a bit, and your average reader will not have access to the 3rd and best one due to most major bookstores not carrying anything from New Falcon ( only 3000 copies- yikes). The first 2 are mass market biographies, and the 3rd would be looked upon as a book for Specialists.

In the long run, this was probably good for 'Perdurabo', as there was surely no pressure from the Publisher to put any kind of a malicious and sinister bent on it to sell more copies. Perhaps 3000 copies is a healthy print run for New Falcon.

Perdurabo is simply ahead of its time in that the majority of book publishers do not yet understand what makes Aleister Crowley special (or care). I believe that it could and should have a much wider audience than the first 2 I mentioned. And a younger audience. It does not have any " And the MORAL of the Story is.." qualities to it. It satisfies curiosity while at the same time satisfies the Scholar with its thorough research and respect for it's subject ( Something which all other cultural figures of relevance, who have not killed anyone, have without needing to beg for it )...

It is Superb.


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27/06/2007 1:17 pm  
"Horemakhet" wrote:
Perdurabo is simply ahead of its time in that the majority of book publishers do not yet understand what makes Aleister Crowley special (or care).

Speaking as a small independent, perhaps I can help... ?

bazelek
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27/06/2007 4:07 pm  

Speaking as a small independent, perhaps I can help... ?

Oh, please do!


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lashtal
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27/06/2007 4:52 pm  

A Fulgur edition of Perdurabo...

Good quality paper, large format, illustrated, hardbound - with a special limited edition, leather bound, signed by the author...

Sounds good to me!

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27/06/2007 5:04 pm  

I would gladly part with:
The Magical and Philosophical Commentaries on the Book of the Law
Mystical & Magical System of AA
Secret Rituals of the OTO (1st edition Francis King)
Amrita
Book of Lies (Hardcover)
Gems from the Equinox (1st Edition)
PM me offlist... Best offer!


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16/10/2009 10:33 am  

Just out of curiosity can anyone wager what would the price be for
Demonographia by Trident Books (leatherbound collector's edition, #32/1000)
and The Grimoire of Pope Honorius III, leatherbound collector's edition #67/1000?
I saw an ebay add for Demonographia asking for 1,499$ (US), but was wondering it that's anywhere near reasonable.


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16/10/2009 3:18 pm  

Ah, Books, Books, Books ! How we magicians are addicted to the Word made manifest in the Book !

Eat your hearts out biblophiliac babies! I acquired my copies of Secret Rituals of The O.T.O. and its corollary volume Crowley on Christ (often neglected but it contains, as a mere appendix, Liber Agape), edited by the late and lamented Francis King; in those heady, early, magical revival days, for about £3.50, I acquired those volumes each.

I gather that the O.T.O. has "Certified Initiators" these days - hey, well it moves and talks, stick a certificate on it - but I read and loved those forbidden volumes, most fructiosessy.

As for that most lovely book Magical and Philosophical Commentaries on the Book of The Law, it was previewed to me on a visit to Atlantis Bookshop in 1975 e.v. and I thought, I've got to have a copy of that and subsequently acquired it for the princely sum of £7.50 plus post. But, I still do not understand to this day why those beautiful illustrations by Linda McFarlane are clipped in such a frustrating way.

Perfection is truly hard to find, they say.

Love is the law, love under will.

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16/10/2009 3:35 pm  

Fructiosessy, what am I talking about ? 'fructiousally' perhaps ? Well it was damned juicy, anyway.

Actually, I would sell my soul for a copy of 'The Nine Gates to The Kingdom of Shadows' - anyone seen a copy, or did Lucas Corso beat me to it anyway ?

I love that bloody film - Mrs.Polanski, aka Emmanuel Seigneur is a bit of a bonus, to be true. I believe that Michael Staley once had an enquiry about KG's 'The Ninth Arch' which apparently confused the terminology.

As always, and inevitably, S.A.


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16/10/2009 8:42 pm  

I think that my idea of the 'magic' book differs from what is being presented here.

My idea is that each of us, undertake our own research and produce/write our own book of magic, a personal journal - if you will. The magic therefore will be deeply personal, utilising ones own personal strengths..and ultimately be very effective, because it is so tailored.


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16/10/2009 8:49 pm  

Demonographia by Trident Books (leatherbound collector's edition, #32/1000)
and The Grimoire of Pope Honorius III, leatherbound collector's edition #67/1000?
I saw an ebay add for Demonographia asking for 1,499$ (US), but was wondering it that's anywhere near reasonable.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=370227881348&Category=29223&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2

Looks a bit sh1t to me; really old fashion. I just don't think this sort of stuff relevant at all.


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16/10/2009 9:31 pm  

Had a copy of Dark Lily magazine, a few years ago. Got it from the Sorcerer's Apprentice. Inferior satanic dross in my opinion. Ripped it up and slung it out.
Maybe I just got a bad one ! Try Sorcerer's Apprentice, they might have some back issues.

quote="loveisthelaw"][quote=""Aum418"
Secret rituals of OTO can be pretty easily found online (I found mystical & magical system of AA also... I hope Im not chastised for mentioning this).

I was speaking of the books themselves, not their digitized rendition. If someone, someday, does a digitized version of the Toad grimoire (I hope not), will it lose part of its monetary value? Also will the first edition of the Voudon Gnostic Workbook be sought after in the same way, now that there is a second edition? Also, looks like the O.T.O. is going to reprint Secret Rituals, although in 666 copies only. Have a look here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsRTwVTtvmE

So how about this tentative list (in no particular order):

All the Xoanon books
All the out of print Kenneth Grant books
Mystical and Magical System of the AA
Waratah series
Red Flame series
Liber Niger Legionis
Dark Lily magazine
Zos-Kia: An Introductory Essay on the Art and Sorcery of Austin Osman Spare by Semple
Dark Doorway of the Beast by Gareth Hewitson-May

Just a few thoughts of course...


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17/10/2009 12:10 am  

that's what happens when people try to create their own content tags...hopeless.


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alysa
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17/10/2009 2:09 am  

If I were you I would not make too much people know of what you have Satan'sAdvocaat, though am happy for you.


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19/10/2009 7:31 am  

Hello All

At the recent Path of the Adept workshop here at the Far Away Centre, I gave a 20-page reading list, and in it there was a section for books I personally felt of great esoteric interest, but were rare. I class "rare" as "no-one has ever heard of them, nor can they be purchased within a weeek or so".

As an ardent bibliophile for thirty years, I think I have all of those mentioned so far (see Library photo on our Far Away Centre site!), although as a few have said, I quickly re-sold many of the high-price items as - for me - their content was not at all useful. I can't believe that "Dark Lilly" magazine would feature, LOL, I still have copies of that - any hundreds of other occult 'zines of that time - yay, perhaps my pension is secured!

These below are just five out of many books I think you'll rarely see mentioned anywhere - even on this thread so far - that are fascinating insights into the western esoteric system, particularly considered as an ascent narrative - the subject of my current PhD thesis:

(i) The Path of the Magus, Eldon Templar
(ii) The Book of Hru, Eldon Templar
(iii) The Hymn of Jesus, G. R. S. Mead
(iv) The Way of An Initiate, A. Greville-Gasgoigne
(v) The Hours of Isis, Evelyn Eaton

There's many other rarities that one might not actually know are such - how about "The Preserving Power" by W.'.W.'., a schlock paperback piece of sci-fi by an unknown author (strangely named W.'.W.'., how he got the publishers to put in the triangular dots is more of a mystery than the name!) ... which throws some interesting light on his later work as an occultist, which first was also released under yet another pen-name?

If you actually have a stash of any of these or everyone knows that every Bargain Basement shop in the world is selling them, my bad, and do let me know as I have several students who would like copies!

Marcus Katz
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20/10/2009 12:15 am  

Satan'sAdvocate,

In regards to, 'The Nine Gates to The Kingdom of Shadows', the book can sometimes be found for sale on e-bay. It includes all the plates from the movie, in Latin. It looks just like it does in the movie.

I guess Corso wanted to share that Infernal Initiatory Grimoire with us. Maybe that's what Satan commanded him to do, after Corso found the final Plate and used the Grimoire! 😈


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20/10/2009 12:35 am  

Oh yeah, I'd be willing to part with Liber Nigri Solis (paperback), the companion to your Legionis, SA. Which, I've found out that (Legionis, which I don't have) is essential to fully appreciating Solis. Trade or $ welcome, anyone just PM me.


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22/10/2009 10:47 pm  

Naaaaaah...

The question posed was which were 'the most sought after', 'the most wanted,' not the rarest, not the most expensive, not one most valued in rarified arcane circles-- "Secret Rituals" is an open secret, and there are always apparently more copies available for sale than there are individuals willing to shell out the $200-300 that the sellers are wanting for them. So common that they're now listed for sale on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Rituals-O-T-O-Francis-King/dp/0877281440/ref=cm_cr-mr-title
I believe there were 5,000 copies of that edition, no? A waste of the student's money, mostly, at these prices.

Andrew Chumbley is a very rarified taste, probably even more obscure a personage than Austin O. Spare. Hardly "most wanted." Much the same could be said for many books mentioned so far in connection with this list. Very few Thelemites I know (and I've know a lot of Thelemites) are looking for any of those books; but many of them *are* looking for a nice 1st Edition of "Gems From The Equinox", that Llewellyn red leatherette 1973 edition-- it's still the most durable edition of that book printed. Fewer still could actually afford them.

"Crowley On Christ" *would* be one of the 'most wanted' for true-blue collectors of The Equinox series (like myself) as it is the only (so far) publication of the Equinox Vol. III, No. 2, and you've got to have it to complete your Vol. III set. Same with "Shih Yi, A Critical and Mnemonic Paraphrase of the Yi King" as published by H. Parsons Smith, Oceanside, California 1971-- it's the only edition of this otherwise "lost" number of the Equinox Vol. III No. 7. Very rare-- I've seen more privately typed carbon-copies of the original manuscript for sale (two) than I have of this edition (none) and I've been looking off and on for about 10 years. (I'll bet I'm not the only person on this list who has every other hardback of Vol. III except for this one-- seems like it's impossible to find!)

The value of the rest of Motta's Equinox is debatable, but beyond question his "Gold Equinox", Vol. V. No. IV, "Sex & Religion" has got to be the "most sought after" of his Equinox volumes; there's still one or two things in it that you can't find anywhere else, if memory serves. Anybody who knows anything about it wants that one.

Beyond that, I could only begin to guess-- would "most wanted" equate with most often sold? If so, then the much-maligned "Magick/Book Four/Liber ABA" in its 2nd Edition would probably be in the top 10 list for sales in the last decade. For all-time sales, I'd suspect that Crowley's biggest seller has been "Magick In Theory & Practice" between the Dover paperback and numerous hardback editions. And the Weiser/Red Wheel paperback of "The Book Of The Law" would probably be second.


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22/10/2009 11:01 pm  
"frater_cug" wrote:
Hummmm.

I was just wondering about something and downloaded a scan of the first edition. Other than the new 2 page preface I do not see anything "Expanded" about this edition.

The table of contents is the same, and every random page I checked (About 40) looked to be exactly the same and they both have 619 pages.

I'm not bothered too much as I don't have the first one, but if you already have it you may want to wait until someone who has both can verify they are identical.

I compared the two when the new edition came out a few years ago-- they are identical, and I can't for the life of me figure out why the first edition became as collectable as it did, other than the fact that it was out of print. I was gifted with a 1st Ed. a decade ago by a Brother who felt he was giving me quite a gift (and I appreciated that he was). There's very little Voudon in the "Voudon Gnostic Workbook", ask any Mambo or Houngan who's thumbed through a copy.


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22/10/2009 11:39 pm  

There are 7 volumes of "Crowley on Christ" available through Amazon.


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Walterfive
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23/10/2009 1:44 pm  
"alysa" wrote:
There are 7 volumes of "Crowley on Christ" available through Amazon.

And starting at a mere $95.00! I'd almost call that a bargain!


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23/10/2009 3:52 pm  

I have a copy of Crowley on Christ; I didn't realize it was valuable. By the way, why were the moonchild sex rituals included in the back? I always thought the book was nothing more than a light critique of George Bernard Shaw.

On another note, what ever happened to Marcello Motta?


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23/10/2009 4:50 pm  

More valuable than King's other books (besides Secret Rituals) you mean? All 1st Eds. of King's books are somewhat valuable, depending on condition. If I recall correctly, several of King's books from that period have some 8th or 9th Degree Crowley papers appended to the main text, such as "Ritual Magic in England" & "Magick, Sexuality & Perversion." Near as I can figure, it was to piecemeal them out so that folks like us would buy all his books... I can't recall: was anything of note appended to his Crowley bio "The Magical World of Aleister Crowley?"


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23/10/2009 6:27 pm  
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Satan'sAdvocate,

In regards to, 'The Nine Gates to The Kingdom of Shadows', the book can sometimes be found for sale on e-bay. It includes all the plates from the movie, in Latin. It looks just like it does in the movie.

Thanks N.O.X., but I have the original plates in my copy of The Dumas Club by Arturo Perez-Reverte and the film versions downloaded from a website I discovered a couple of years ago - cannot relocate it just now, as such websites seem to have proliferated like a bad virus since I last had a look. There is more text from the grimoire in the novel.

A German Publisher did bring out a copy of the Delomelanicon in 2003 - although its author is cited as being one Paolo Delogu, rather than Satan. Its cover bears the subtitle Das schwarze Buch der Schatten and features the well-known Necromantic Circle (from Levi ?) - so not many marks for originality there, I suspect.

I've never really speculated on what happened to Corso after he entered the Ninth Gate and entered the Light. But I'm fairly sure that he's never coming back.

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23/10/2009 6:34 pm  

Re. Francis King's books, Walterfive. 'Magic, Sexuality and Perversion' contains the full text of the 'Two Fragments of Ritual' from THE EQUINOX and as previously stated, 'Crowley on Christ' contains LIBER AGAPE. No appendices to 'The Magical World of Aleister Crowley' but its not a bad read and is good on Victor Neuberg.

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25/10/2009 5:11 am  

was anything of note appended to his Crowley bio "The Magical World of Aleister Crowley?"

Sadly not.


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25/10/2009 8:14 am  

My to 2 rarities would be anything by:

Pascal Beverly Randolf and Eliphas Levi

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You can order Eliphas Levi.. but some rock and roll dude has supposed rare books by aleister crowley which I would kill him to have.. lol. That's weird in this context. He doesn't deserve it. Someone should punch that guy in the face.

But I think the O.T.O. would be it.. because I have no idea what people are even saying when they say it... whatever that they are talking about. It's definitely anything that's good. ha. but anywhoo. rock.


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26/10/2009 2:45 am  

I think "The Picatrix" in a modern Western language translation of which I can understand (at least) a little, and as scientifically close to the original as possible, I think am gonna try for the John Michael Greer and Christopher Warnock's (haven't tried the others).


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26/10/2009 10:43 am  

OK. Mea culpa. Took my books out at the weekend: time to put my research where my Mouth is.

The Secret Rituals of the O.T.O. - Francis King. C.W. Daniel Co.Ltd. London, 1973. Contains among the 'Secret Rituals' of the VII*, VIII* and IX* Degrees: De Natura Deorum; De Nuptiis Secretis Deorum cum Homnibus; AGAPE vel LIBER C vel AZOTH; De Homunculo Epistola.

Crowley on Christ - C.W.Daniel. London, 1974. Very much a follow-up, companion volume. Contains The Gospel According to St. Bernard Shaw - more or less edited, I suppose, but probably none the worse for it, (AC does get very verbose at times, I think we all have to accept). And, as an appendix - for completeness - De Arte Magica not Liber Agape but the COMMENTARY upon it.

Sexuality, Magic and Perversion - Neville Spearman, London, 1971.
Contains in Chapter 10. 'Enter Baphomet': The Supreme Ritual and as appendix D: A Ritual to Invoke HICE or Any Other Divine One - being the unexpurgated text of the Two Fragments of Ritual published in THE EQUINOX I, X (attributed to Adam Weishaupt - a spurious Crowley joke, or am I missing some deeper meaning ?? Personal research and meditation would probably provide the answer, but I'm throwing this open to a wider audience).

All, or most, of Francis King's books are worthy of collection. They were cutting-edge magical research in the 1970s. Not worth an arm and a leg, perhaps, but possibly worth the little-finger on your less dexterous hand.

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26/10/2009 11:17 am  

Cara Alysa,

Never got to grips with 'The PICATRIX' - although some say it forms the material basis of the fabled NECRONOMICON. But I have checked it out on Joseph Peterson's peerless website:
www.esotericarchives.com/
if this site has not been mentioned on lashtal.com before (and I'm sure it must have been) its well overdue a mention.

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26/10/2009 4:11 pm  
"Satan'sAdvocaat" wrote:
OK. Mea culpa. Took my books out at the weekend: time to put my research where my Mouth is.

All, or most, of Francis King's books are worthy of collection. They were cutting-edge magical research in the 1970s. Not worth an arm and a leg, perhaps, but possibly worth the little-finger on your less dexterous hand.

Thanks for this. 🙂 I have several of the books you mention, and some others, like the early 90's revision of his Golden Dawn "Flying Rolls" material. First edition hardbacks of most of his books other than "Secret Rituals" and "Crowley On Christ" can usually be had for under $30 or less in tolerable condition, I've gotten several in the last year or two to replace copies lost or lent, and I agree-- they're quite worthy of collection although "Secret Rituals" has been terribly over-balleyhooed. Mr. King deserves a lot of respect, flawed as some of his work admittedly was, this seems more to do with the limitations of the materials available to him at the time, rather than his deficiencies as a researcher.


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