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alysa
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26/10/2009 7:00 pm  

"OTO Rituals and Sex Magick" with Theodor Reuss and Aleister Crowley edited and compiled by A.R. Naylor and P.R. Koenig, contains among the rituals of the VII, VIII, and IX degrees the following: 'De Natura Deorum','De Nuptiis Secretis Deorum cum Homnibus',' Agapé vel Liber C vel Azoth', 'De Homonculo Epistola'.


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26/10/2009 7:08 pm  

"Sexuality, Magic and Perversion", you can find many copies through Amazon, Abebooks, and possibly many others.


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Walterfive
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26/10/2009 7:45 pm  
"alysa" wrote:
"OTO Rituals and Sex Magick" with Theodor Reuss and Aleister Crowley edited and compiled by A.R. Naylor and P.R. Koenig, contains among the rituals of the VII, VIII, and IX degrees the following: 'De Natura Deorum','De Nuptiis Secretis Deorum cum Homnibus',' Agapé vel Liber C vel Azoth', 'De Homonculo Epistola'.

An upgrade to "Secret Rituals" but also over-balleyhooed. The Naughty Nun/Black Flag CD-Rom is the book's equal. However, it's still skeletal. Reading the script of "Hamlet" is hardly the same thing as seeing the play performed, let alone performing the part your self. So too in this.


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alysa
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26/10/2009 8:10 pm  

I do in no way have any problem in agreeing with you Walterfive.


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27/10/2009 6:03 am  

Reading the script of "Hamlet" is hardly the same thing as seeing the play performed, let alone performing the part your self. So too in this.

I would prefer to read Hamlet, rather than see it done badly; and I have seen it done very badly...


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Walterfive
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27/10/2009 3:17 pm  
"michaelclarke18" wrote:

Reading the script of "Hamlet" is hardly the same thing as seeing the play performed, let alone performing the part your self. So too in this.

I would prefer to read Hamlet, rather than see it done badly; and I have seen it done very badly...

However, that's entirely beside the point.


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28/10/2009 1:28 am  

SA,
Just the other day I speculated about what happened to Corso after he entered the light, I think it was a metaphor for Illumination. You're right, I don't think he's coming back either....why would one leave the summit of the Tree and climb all the way back down again?


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28/10/2009 4:39 pm  
"N.O.X" wrote:
....why would one leave the summit of the Tree and climb all the way back down again?

for love's sake, for the chance of union.


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28/10/2009 6:54 pm  
"Camlion" wrote:
"N.O.X" wrote:
....why would one leave the summit of the Tree and climb all the way back down again?

for love's sake, for the chance of union.

Right? I'm sure the term "Bohdisattva" is familiar to him...


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28/10/2009 9:10 pm  

However, that's entirely beside the point.

I would not find it very convincing in the context of which you would be most likely to perform it....like tired jokes, I just don't believe that these rituals have much relevance today. I think Magick is like everything else, and needs to be reinvented by successive generations to meet the demands of the changing times.

Only my humble opinion.


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29/10/2009 6:24 am  

Oh, Walterfive (you gonna take up Erwins job now) that term is very familiar to me, but I don't see Corso taking that oath. Why wouldn't it be? SA and I were hypothetically discussing what happened to Corso at the end of "The Ninth Gate". Or did the sentence right before the one Cam quoted confuse you? Why are you even leveling another insult towards me? Maybe its time I put The True Grimoire to use. I'm starting to get sick of the way I'm getting treated here on this site. When I do get replied to damn near every time its some jerk like you or Erwin or mal spouting some bullshit insult. Why don't you take a look at who's been a mamber of this site the longest out of us 4....me. Paul perhaps some moderation is in order? I got interrupted and insulted by another random idiot who I wasn't even talking to, while just having a hypothetical discussion about "The Ninth Gate". If you can't control these random people and their constant insults don't stop I'm gonna quit this forum. I know the O.T.O.inc. isn't all bad, but I've had enough Caliphates talking shit. This place is suppossed to be impartial when it comes to Order politics, but that Guideline isn't being enforced. This needs to change in the next couple of days or I'm out of here. If I wanted to be treated this way I'd join Erwins forum.


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29/10/2009 6:37 am  

Okay, you beat me by a couple of months Walter, but I've lurked since this place looked like that pic Paul posted here a while back. I can only ignore so much, before it becomes pointless to even come and post. It's as though they are trying to get me to quit, and if you don't do something about it ,Paul I am going to leave for good. Its becoming a waste of energy to log in and try to post anymore.


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29/10/2009 9:59 am  

Don't let them get to you N.O.X. You might as well learn about protecting yourself now, there will always be obstacles of one kind or another, it seems to be the nature of the work. Maybe try the Star Ruby and learn one of Crowley's favorite postures (godforms) of protection. Just a suggestion.


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29/10/2009 10:18 am  

N.O.X,

"N.O.X" wrote:
if you don't do something about it ,Paul I am going to leave for good. Its becoming a waste of energy to log in and try to post anymore.

I think you're taking things a little personally here, seeing insults and aggression that don't actually exist.

You might also like to consider how the tone of your posts may be influencing the responses you've received. For example, in just one post on this thread you've used the following:

"I'm starting to get sick of the way I'm getting treated here on this site. When I do get replied to damn near every time its some jerk like you or Erwin or mal spouting some bullshit insult... I got interrupted and insulted by another random idiot who I wasn't even talking to... I'm gonna quit this forum... I've had enough Caliphates talking shit."

See what I mean?

"N.O.X" wrote:
This place is suppossed to be impartial when it comes to Order politics, but that Guideline isn't being enforced. This needs to change in the next couple of days or I'm out of here.

Please can you point me in the direction of a failure by me to moderate the forums effectively in respect of "Order politics"?

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Walterfive
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29/10/2009 1:08 pm  
"N.O.X" wrote:
Okay, you beat me by a couple of months Walter, but I've lurked since this place looked like that pic Paul posted here a while back. I can only ignore so much, before it becomes pointless to even come and post. It's as though they are trying to get me to quit, and if you don't do something about it ,Paul I am going to leave for good. Its becoming a waste of energy to log in and try to post anymore.

"...beat you by a couple of months" at WHAT? Drop the martyrdom and the persecution complex, baby. You asked a rhetorical question. You got an answer, and I commented on that answer. Get over it, Mary.

"N.O.X" wrote:
When I do get replied to damn near every time its some jerk like you or Erwin or mal spouting some bullshit insult.... I know the O.T.O.inc. isn't all bad, but I've had enough Caliphates talking shit."

Well, first of all, I didn't reply to you, I replied to Camlion. Secondly, if there's "some moderation in order" it ought to be over your whiney bitching and name-calling. If your frail and fragile ego can't take critique, shut up, and nobody will have anything to say about you. Our ever-patient moderator is quite correct that you are seeing insults and aggression where they don't exist. Have a nice day, and let's please get back on-topic, shall we?


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newneubergOuch2
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29/10/2009 2:12 pm  
"Walterfive" wrote:
The value of the rest of Motta's Equinox is debatable, but beyond question his "Gold Equinox", Vol. V. No. IV, "Sex & Religion" has got to be the "most sought after" of his Equinox volumes; there's still one or two things in it that you can't find anywhere else, if memory serves. Anybody who knows anything about it wants that one.

I have this edition-I picked it up ten years ago for a bargain price, Weisers is selling one for $1000 I saw!wow.


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29/10/2009 5:33 pm  
"Satan'sAdvocaat" wrote:
Fructiosessy, what am I talking about ? 'fructiousally' perhaps ? Well it was damned juicy, anyway.

Actually, I would sell my soul for a copy of 'The Nine Gates to The Kingdom of Shadows' - anyone seen a copy, or did Lucas Corso beat me to it anyway ?

I love that bloody film - Mrs.Polanski, aka Emmanuel Seigneur is a bit of a bonus, to be true. I believe that Michael Staley once had an enquiry about KG's 'The Ninth Arch' which apparently confused the terminology.

As always, and inevitably, S.A.

Not sure if this had already been addressed previously, but no need to sell the soul: "De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis" ("The Nine Gates to the Kingdom of Shadows") - a fictional work for all I know - is a 10 page 'picture book' that forms a part of the novel The Club Dumas by Arturo Perez-Reverte, which served as a basis for Polanski's film (the novel carries two major themes, by the way, while Polanski explored in his film only one of them). The same mysterious Nine Gates' pictures were used both in the novel and in the film so they will appear familiar. The novel is a great read and, unlike Dan Brown, Perez-Reverte delivers real stuff, poetically written, intellectually engaging, sexy and smart.


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30/10/2009 2:58 pm  

I cannot cope with the surreal fructiousess fantasy of this any more!!!

I'm going to light up another 'Lucky Strike' and head off with the Girl with the Green Eyes to the Chateau Puivert in the Pyrenees and indulge in blasphemous sexual bliss for ever and a day more !!!

So help Me Baphomet.

Have Fun Too - Satan's Advocaat.


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30/10/2009 4:19 pm  

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

"665neighbourofthebeast" wrote:
"Kiyoharu" wrote:
My rarity is "Tantra Magick" Amookos

If anyone has a copy, please PM

You possibly need to get hold of 'Sexual Magick' by Katon Shu'al (Mogg Morgan) Mandrake of Oxford. I think this is the evolved Tantra Magick (but email Mandrake to be sure). Best --Steven Ashe

I think that in the not to distant future a revised edition of TANTRA MAGICK will apear. There was a rather badly produced Indian edition for a while but that is out of print too now. SEXUAL MAGICK is not the same book at all but is of the same genre and the two books were by different authors. There is movement afoot to republish a lot of this material so I would watch the Mandrake Of Oxford website.

Loev is the law, love under will.

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02/11/2009 6:12 am  

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Walter,
What I meant was that, I joined this forum just a few months after you did. My bad, I thought you were referring to me. Fragile Ego...maybe....easier to annhilate then, eh? 😉

Alright, I admit I may have been "harsh" is some of my recent posts, apologies. Erwin was provoking me and I just "got pissed off at the whole world", so to speak, for a couple of days there. It's just all the arguing was annoying, when all I was trying to do was help the original poster in the "777 thread" with an answer, by example. Paul, I just thought you would've locked that thread with all of the bickering going on, long ago.

Michael, you were right I should've not even wasted my time with it all. The Great Work is way more important than pointless arguments.

Zardoz, I actually did these things you mentioned last night, along with the LAM Serpent Sadhana. I've done the Star Ruby so many times during last year, that I've neglected it for a while. Last night was very interesting. I feel much better today than I have in over a week.

Back on topic, my most wanted would be the unpublished Records of A.C. A book with ALL of his Records included would be really great!


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02/11/2009 11:33 am  
"N.O.X" wrote:
Back on topic, my most wanted would be the unpublished Records of A.C. A book with ALL of his Records included would be really great!

We'll have to wait and see when the collected diaries are published, but I think that there are some gaps in the series. The foundation of the series is probably what Gerald Yorke collected or was able to copy, though quit a few diaries have come to light since then.

As well as the diaries, I would love to see a Collected Correspondence, but that would be a mammoth task to put together.

Best wishes,

Michael.


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Walterfive
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02/11/2009 6:11 pm  
"newneubergOuch2" wrote:
"Walterfive" wrote:
The value of the rest of Motta's Equinox is debatable, but beyond question his "Gold Equinox", Vol. V. No. IV, "Sex & Religion" has got to be the "most sought after" of his Equinox volumes; there's still one or two things in it that you can't find anywhere else, if memory serves. Anybody who knows anything about it wants that one.

I have this edition-I picked it up ten years ago for a bargain price, Weisers is selling one for $1000 I saw!wow.

Well, that one is an "Association Copy" of Martin P. Starr's and is inscribed by Motta, who I gather didn't often sign such books. So that's a pretty special copy if you're a Serious Collector. I'd guess that's twice and three times what an unsigned, unassociated copy would be worth.

I got my Vol. V Nos. 2, 3 & 4 at a bargain price from a strange individual who walked into my then girlfriend's (and now wife's) Pagan Community Center in Dallas, Tx, with a couple of boxes of books and ephemera. I thought the fellow was an old speed freak. He claimed he'd joined Motta's Order in 1978 and (if I recall correctly) had fallen out with him in 1982 over the way that Motta insisted he hold his hand making the sign of the Enterer (or something-- it seemed to me to be a fairly minor point of difference), had the aforementioned vols. of the Motta Equinox, several common photos of Crowley framed, a framed photo of the Stele, and a long thin box of several hundred small envelopes containing several hundred microfiche slides and a portable fiche viewer, that he claimed was the complete Warburg Collection. (How he'd gotten such a thing, I have no idea) He also had a very limited edition (one of 100 numbered copies, I believe) of Motta's Chinese Equinox signed and numbered by Motta himself-- a stunning edition with gold leaf paper edges in mint condition. The fellow turned out to be quite knowledgable about Thelema and Yoga, definitely in the deep end of the knowledge pool.

He'd bussed to my girlfriend's Pagan Community Center from the far side of Dallas/Fort Worth on a whim because he needed money and thought someone there would know what these things were worth, and might buy them from him... Imagine my suprise!

I immediately offered him $100 apiece for the Equinox vols. He wanted more, but those were in pretty rough shape having travelled with him for many years, so we settled for $400 for the nos. 2,3 & 4. I couldn't begin to approach the $1500 he wanted for the microfiche collection, or the $400 he wanted for the Limited Edition Chinese Equinox. But I bought those Equinox on the spot. it was 2 years later before I saw him again, although I subsequently mentioned him and his name to an old-school sister in the Order who'd actually worked a Customer Support Line with the fellow for five years, she'd never known he was a student of Motta's, and he'd never known she was in the Order, and an Officer in the local body. I mentioned her to him when I saw him again, as a former co-worker of his, and he remembered her. Strange ol' world. Turned out the fellow had been working in a car wash, but needed quick cash to attend a 2-month Buddhist retreat, and the $400 I gave him just covered it.


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Walterfive
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02/11/2009 6:38 pm  

And the moral to that story is 'Love all, lest perchance a King is concealed.' Or an Adept, at any rate.


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alysa
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02/11/2009 8:29 pm  

Interesting things you mentioned, Walterfive, I know virtually next to nothing about Marcelo Ramos Motta and always wondered myself why so many people hold some of his writings in such a high esteem. I think I now know something more about the importance of those writings.


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02/11/2009 11:39 pm  

I'd list

1) The Book of Jade by David Park Barnitz

2) The Climax of Civilization by Correa Moylan Walsh

3) Time and the Gods By Baron Edward John Moreton Drax Plunkett Dunsany

4) Shapes in the Fire by Matthew Phipps Shiel

5) The Ego and his Own By Max Stirner

But unlike the Chumbley or Schulke texts, or anything else by Fulgur, these are all available for free on Google Books!


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03/11/2009 2:28 am  

interesting story Walterfive


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Walterfive
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03/11/2009 9:20 pm  
"alysa" wrote:
Interesting things you mentioned, Walterfive, I know virtually next to nothing about Marcelo Ramos Motta and always wondered myself why so many people hold some of his writings in such a high esteem. I think I now know something more about the importance of those writings.

Well, overall, Mr. Motta printed decent books, and printed them well. A few of his books, like the aforementioned Gold Equinox, were excellent. His editorializations and attacks of his former students sometimes seem excessive, but perhaps not as excessive (sometimes) as the original Equinox Vols. I & III. I'd dearly love to locate a complete set of his paperback Oriflamme series. That would be the mutt's nuts. I'm not even sure how many nos. he was able to put into print.


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alysa
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03/11/2009 9:29 pm  

Well now, you made me realy enthousiast, Walterfive!


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newneubergOuch2
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04/11/2009 3:09 pm  

I still just want a copy of Perdurabo, I`m happy to hear they are working on an edited re-issue. RT.Coles Abbey of Thelema book also, I think I now have about everything else I`ve been after in one form or another.


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07/11/2009 11:02 pm  

the Tunis edition of the Book of the Law perhaps?


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newneubergOuch2
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08/11/2009 1:58 am  

I would like a copy of Jane Wolfe`s Cefalu diaries, can`t seem to find them anywhere.


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08/11/2009 2:31 am  
"newneubergOuch2" wrote:
I would like a copy of Jane Wolfe`s Cefalu diaries, can`t seem to find them anywhere.

There's one on Ebay right now, but it is...Ouch $300!


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alysa
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08/11/2009 2:50 am  

You should look on Lulu for that, its 22 US dollars.


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newneubergOuch2
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08/11/2009 10:09 am  
"alysa" wrote:
You should look on Lulu for that, its 22 US dollars.

Hmm, I obviously haven`t looked hard enough lately. 😆
Enjoying the newly released Progradior `letters ` book.


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michaelclarke18
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08/11/2009 11:04 am  

i would like all Andrew Chumbley's personal notes & drawings - rather than an specific book.


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09/11/2009 5:27 am  

There are links to the Cefalu diaries on the College of Thelema of Northern California's website, $22 for the paperback (sold through lulu) and $180 for the special bound (direct).


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09/11/2009 7:25 pm  

Indeed. And after paying for the $22 edition and perusing its contents, I feel no need to own the special bound edition. Not that I dislike it, or an disappointed with it, I just don't see the need for a $180.00 replacement copy of a book I already own.


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09/11/2009 8:09 pm  

Indeed. And after paying for the $22 edition and perusing its contents, I feel no need to own the special bound edition. Not that I dislike it, or an disappointed with it, I just don't see the need for a $180.00 replacement copy of a book I already own.

$180 does seem a little heavy to me; though, I may consider it....providing the quality of paper was good, the binding was full leather and the text was annotated in a meaningful and insightful way.


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10/11/2009 4:15 pm  

The text is no different than the $22.00 edition, I don't believe. I can certainly understand the archival importance of this work though.


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10/11/2009 4:35 pm  

Indeed. And after paying for the $22 edition and perusing its contents, I feel no need to own the special bound edition. Not that I dislike it, or an disappointed with it, I just don't see the need for a $180.00 replacement copy of a book I already own.

I agree with Walter. I believe the leatherbound volume was offered AFTER the publication of the softback. However, if you don't have it and wish to own a handsome edition, the content is superb. The softback itself is very well done and priced-IMO-extremely reasonably. I'm looking forward to further publications from the College of Thelema.


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12/11/2009 5:08 am  

I have the softback and wish that they actually had annotations. The handwritten parts are almost illegible to me at times. I do think the price was quite fair. Yes, it was offered after, as you put it kidneyhawk, but I do believe they offer a discount on the leatherbound for those who already purchased the softback. Also, as correction, it is the College of Thelema of Nothern California and not the College of Thelema. Confusing, yes, but they are a splinter from the College of Thelema and a total separate organization.


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12/11/2009 8:09 am  

All of that aside, Jane Wolfe's Cefalu diaries is definitely one of my favourite books at the moment. And I highly recommend it.


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13/11/2009 3:13 am  

I personally can hardly wait for Grant's "Monolith" to be released. I'm definitely getting the deluxe ed.


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13/11/2009 8:27 am  
"N.O.X" wrote:
I personally can hardly wait for Grant's "Monolith" to be released. I'm definitely getting the deluxe ed.

yes, yes... 😯 😀
mr. Staley is there any news about it?


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13/11/2009 3:30 pm  
"kuniggety" wrote:
I have the softback and wish that they actually had annotations. The handwritten parts are almost illegible to me at times. I do think the price was quite fair. Yes, it was offered after, as you put it kidneyhawk, but I do believe they offer a discount on the leatherbound for those who already purchased the softback.

I'm not aware that the leatherbound edition has any annotations. Yes, the handwritten parts can be a bitch to decipher... oh well.


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13/11/2009 4:52 pm  
"Walterfive" wrote:
"kuniggety" wrote:
I have the softback and wish that they actually had annotations. The handwritten parts are almost illegible to me at times. I do think the price was quite fair. Yes, it was offered after, as you put it kidneyhawk, but I do believe they offer a discount on the leatherbound for those who already purchased the softback.

I'm not aware that the leatherbound edition has any annotations. Yes, the handwritten parts can be a bitch to decipher... oh well.

A strong magnifying glass helped immensely with some of the handwritten parts.


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14/11/2009 5:22 am  
"Walterfive" wrote:
I'm not aware that the leatherbound edition has any annotations. Yes, the handwritten parts can be a bitch to decipher... oh well.

I didn't mean to infer that I thought that it did. Perhaps my wording was off. I was referring to michaelclarke18's comment about if the leatherbound has them. I have the softback and wish that it had them(as in both editions, not in contrast to the leatherbound).


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14/11/2009 6:46 am  

funny how rumours start


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17/11/2009 5:46 pm  

petarpan,

I'm sure the day Grant is finally finished with th book Michael will let us know. But as long as Grant has been working on it, I bet it's going to be even better than "Against the Light". Which, is my favourite fiction title of his. I'm really glad I was able to purchase one of the last copies left before it offficially went "out of print". Literally, like 3 weeks later the final one sold.

I'd have to say that my "Most wanted occult book" would actually be a collection of all of Kyle Fite's artwork, so far, with his written commentary on each! Wouldn't that be Great? Of course, one could always order an original of each and ask him to send along his commentary, which he was more than willing to do for me with "Dagonian Gate". It was very insightful too. It's 5 pages long!


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17/11/2009 6:50 pm  
"N.O.X" wrote:
I'd have to say that my "Most wanted occult book" would actually be a collection of all of Kyle Fite's artwork, so far, with his written commentary on each! Wouldn't that be Great?

At the risk of sounding like a complete sycophant, I know exactly what you mean. I'm absolutely certain that we've been privileged to see the development of someone who has already secured his place as a very significant Thelemic artist. His extraordinary posts on LAShTAL.COM's Forums over a number of years provide ample evidence of his seriousness of intent and clarity of vision - publication of his essay in Scarlet Imprint's "Diabolical" demonstrates another string to his bow.

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