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 Anonymous
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01/01/2007 1:36 pm  

93!

and Happy New Year!

I had this in the back of my mind for a little while, have been browsing on their website, that is http://bota.org - so I was wondering what's your opinion on the American Occult scholar, Dr. Paul Foster Case, and the organization, the Builders of the Adytum (BOTA.) Any feedback welcomed.


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kidneyhawk
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01/01/2007 4:53 pm  

Hey-!

I studied with BOTA for a very short time and I'm sure there are others here who have gone the full stretch and can comment more. THey are very much a "white" magic school and I believe Case personally eschewed Enochiana, regarding the Angels as being of a malicious or dangerous nature. The BOTA system is very in depth, very based in the Golden Dawn and a slow piece-meal exploration of Qabala and Tarot. It's very "standard" as far as I can tell. Having said that, I don't think anyone who is looking to better and deepen themselves while getting a VERY thorough understanding of GD Qabala will be disappointed. I had a friend who felt their correspondence school approach was outdated and unnecessary, that everything should just be compiled into books you can buy. I disagreed. I tend to really enjoy such a format, which allows one to take a small bit of info (almost a "class session") and really work it over and live with it for a while-and move on. BOTA offers a very sound foundation for magickal and mystical unfoldment. If you're looking to pursue the above things and get really grounded in this approach to the Mysteries, I think you'll have a lot of fun and get a lot from the courses.

Lon Milo DuQuette studied with BOTA before finding Crowley and after AC, just never went back. But he reflects in his autobiography on how he was also really into those courses for a time and they certainly give a soilid basis and "in" for apporaching works like Magick In Theory and Practice!

93-!

Kyle


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 Anonymous
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01/01/2007 5:15 pm  

93!

Thanks for your interesting reply. Yes I had the same impression, that BOTA is "standard" and definitely "white", although deep and very knowledgeable, with solid foundations in occult matters, especially Qabala and Tarot. (Forgive me for my English, but I hope you do get the picture.) What still puzzles me at this time is how they see the Christ, as a big figure, an Initiate of some sort, thus ultimately embracing some form of esoteric or occult Christianity as their philosophy, which thing we cannot say of Thelema, Crowley totally rejected Christianity, as far as I know. Any further comments on this? Thx!


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01/01/2007 5:53 pm  

I think Crowley certainly tipped his hat to some of the esoteric elements of Christianity in his works. He had very deep and ingrained issues with the ignorance and evils of dogmatic religion but it's worth noting that the attack upon Jesus by Horus in Liber Al is also part of a "line-up" with other major players in world religion getting their own share of the flaying. It's quite clear in other works that Crowley explored and integrated Buddha, Mohammed etc into his magickal-mystical corpus. Case is certainly not a fundementalist and his use of Christian symbolism and terminology is of a mystical nature. Some will disagree with me and see the Osirian-Christic Energy as "Old Aeon" and as part of a crumbling regime. But I've found that work with the Egyptian Forces inevitably involves them in many living processes of energy interchange and transformation. There's no stasis and examining the Reign of Horus as part of a linear succession of "Throne-sits" is to limit how these energies interact.

Crowley commented on the Book of Revelation as being written by a true initiate but one whose understanding of what he witnessed and expressed was limited by his level of understanding. Crowley unfolded an incredibly deep and powerful energy from the Beast and Whore. I tend to see the whole drama of the Apocalypse evoking EVERYTHING as part of our Alchemical Work. Solving the dichotomy of dogmatic theology and penetrating the Mystery of Unity in that Book also shows that Christos, Beast etc etc are all radiant forces which are able to convey Gnosis.

So I guess what I'm saying is that I don't necessarily think that study with BOTA or work and unfoldment with the "Cosmic Christ" etc needs to be at terrible odds with Thelema's Choice Symbolism. And once the powers (for example, the Tarot/Qabalah energies of the GD based BOTA system) are built into and opened up within us, our own direct understanding and wisdom will examine and determine how all the "pieces fit," and not some decision to adhere to one system or another because its somehow more (forgive the pun) "current."

Personally, I embrace the Christic Gnosis and the Nightside Typhonian Current and find that they are not at all bad dancing partners.

93-!

Kyle


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01/01/2007 6:38 pm  

I think it's fair to say that Crowley's views on Christianity were many and varied.

His most interesting quote about the religion is perhaps that found in the New Comment, where he described it as "[...] a faith of slaves, liars and dastards".

Why is this so interesting? Because it's followed immediately by: "The same remarks apply roughly to Buddhism".

Crowley at his ambiguous best.

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kidneyhawk
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01/01/2007 6:52 pm  

LOL-! And I think the student of Crowley may gain tremendous insight from the weighing out of all his ambiguities!


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 Anonymous
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01/01/2007 8:23 pm  
"lashtal" wrote:
I think it's fair to say that Crowley's views on Christianity were many and varied.

His most interesting quote about the religion is perhaps that found in the New Comment, where he described it as "[...] a faith of slaves, liars and dastards".

Why is this so interesting? Because it's followed immediately by: "The same remarks apply roughly to Buddhism".

Crowley at his ambiguous best.

I would say it applies to Thelema as well or any organized belief-system that deteriorates into division and dogma and superstition.

93


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 Anonymous
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02/01/2007 8:39 pm  

Christianity and 'the Christ' are two completely separate things although I guess there is some overlap which can give rise to confusion. For Crowley's very favorable view of 'Christs' see POSTCARDS TO PROBATIONERS which is in Equinox I Volume II p. 196. The first line is:

"I. The world progresses by virtue of the appearance of Christs (geniuses)."


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 Anonymous
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02/01/2007 11:17 pm  
"zardoz" wrote:
Christianity and 'the Christ' are two completely separate things although I guess there is some overlap which can give rise to confusion. For Crowley's very favorable view of 'Christs' see POSTCARDS TO PROBATIONERS which is in Equinox I Volume II p. 196. The first line is:

"I. The world progresses by virtue of the appearance of Christs (geniuses)."

Also "Preliminary Remarks" in Liber ABA part 1


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 Anonymous
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03/01/2007 3:37 am  

I enjoy all of it. I've been researching all of the "esoteric" end of things for too many years now, and I do appreciate certain protocol and ritual involved in so much of this. It makes it all worth going through it. Do it their way, and attempt to learn why they do it the way they do.

In so many ways, none of it is "wrong", just different ways and interpretations of so much that is pretty close to each other.

And then we have the "My way is the right way" state of mind, which can be amusing to watch at times. Ah, those Hitler-wannabe condo association presidents among us!

It all works. Research it and see what you can use from it.

In LVX

Blessed be well in the New Year!

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