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 Anonymous
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03/10/2006 9:42 pm  

Hi, I was wondering if any one had any opinions on Sameal Aun Weor. I only came across him recently on gnostic website. His whole theory of attainment seems to be dependant upon not spilling the semen EVER, particularly when performing tantra so as to 'engender' the solar Christic bodies on the inner planes!. He would consider the 9th degrre black magic of the lowest order. Would be most interested for anyones opinion on this.


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03/10/2006 10:03 pm  

there is much more to weor's teachings though this is the central 'secret' of his.
"He wrote over sixty books, covering a broad range of esoteric, philosophical, and anthropological subjects. The following is taken from the Thelema Press website.
1950 - The Perfect Matrimony - Kindergarten (Revised and expanded in 1961. See below).
1950 - The Revolution of Bel
1951 - Zodiacal Course
1952 - Secret Notes of a Guru
1952 - Treatise of Occult Medicine and Practical Magic (Revised and expanded in 1978. See below).
1952 - Gnostic Catechism
1952 - Christ Consciousness
1952 - The Power is in the Cross
1952 - The Book of the Virgin of Carmen
1953 - The Seven Words
1953 - Igneous Rose
1954 - Manual of Practical Magic
1954 - Treatise of Sexual Alchemy
1955 - The Mysteries of the Fire: Kundalini Yoga
1955 - Cosmic Ships
1956 - The Major Mysteries
1958 - The Magnum Opus
1958 - Universal Charity
1958 - Esoteric Treatise of Theurgy
1959 - The Mountain of Juratena
1959 - Fundamental Notions of Endocrinology and Criminology
1959 - Christ Will
1959 - Logos, Mantram, Theurgy
1959 - The Yellow Book
1960 - The Aquarian Message
1961 - Introduction to Gnosis
1961 - The Perfect Matrimony (revised)
1962 - The Mysteries of Life and Death
1963 - Marriage, Divorce and Tantra
1963 - Gnosis in the Twentieth Century
1963 - Great Supreme Universal Manifesto of the Gnostic Movement
1964 - The Social Christ
1964 - Christmas Message 1964-1965 ("The Dissolution of the I") Title given by students.
1964 - Grand Gnostic Manifesto of the Third Year of Aquarius
1965 - The Social Transformation of Humanity
1965 - Supreme Christmas Message 1965-1966 (The Science of Music) Title given by students.
1966 - The Book of the Dead
1967 - Platform of POSCLA
1967 - Christmas Message 1966-1967 (The Buddha's Necklace) Title given by students.
1967 - Esoteric Treatise of Hermetic Astrology
1967 - Christmas Message 1967-1968 (The Doomed Aryan Race/The Solar Bodies) Title given by students.
1967 - Flying Saucers
1968 - Constitution and Liturgy of the Gnostic Movement (For Second and Third Chamber Students ONLY).
1968 - We'll Reach the One Thousand, But Not the Two Thousand (Title given by students).
1968 - Supreme Christmas Message 1967-1968
1969 - Esoteric Course of Kabbalah
1969 - Christmas Message 1968-1969 (Esoteric Course of Runic Magic)
1969 - Christmas Message 1969-1970 (My Return to Tibet) Title given by students.
1970 - Fundamental Education
1970 - Beyond Death
1971 - Christmas Message 1971-1972 (Parsifal Unveiled)
1971 - Christmas Message 1971-1972 (The Mystery of the Golden Blossom)
1972 - Grand Gnostic Manifesto 1972
1972 - Christmas Message 1972-1973 (The Three Mountains)
1972 - Gazing at the Mystery
1973 - Aztec Christic Magic
1973 - Christmas Message 1973-1974 (Yes, There is a Hell, a Devil, and Karma)
1974 - The Metallic Planets of Alchemy
1974 - The Secret Doctrine of Anahuac
1975 - The Great Rebellion
1975 - Liturgy of the Gnostic Movement (For Second and Third Chamber Students ONLY).
1975 - Revolutionary Psychology
1976 - Sacred Book of Liturgy (For Second and Third Chamber Students ONLY).
1977 - The Mysteries of Christic Esoterism
1977 - The Kabbalah of the Mayan Mysteries
1977 - Esoteric Course of Theurgy
1978 - Gnostic Anthropology
1978 - Didactic Self-knowledge (Collected Lectures).
1978 - Christmas Message 1977-1978 (Treatise of Occult Medicine and Practical Magic, revised)
1978 - The Initiatic Path in the Arcana of Tarot and Kabbalah
1980 - For the Few
1983 - The Revolution of the Dialectic
1983 - The Pistis Sophia Unveiled"


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03/10/2006 10:37 pm  

thanks for the info


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03/10/2006 11:00 pm  

I have been in some "debates" with a follower of SAW on a forum, and frankly the impression I get is that it is very very cultish. Not at a Jim Jones, or David Koresh level. maybe a bit more like say Scientology. But to be honest I don't really know why I feel like that. Maybe I'm just used to the general lack dogma in Thelema so when I talk to these guys the Dogma just slaps me in the face.

You are correct about the no spilling the semen EVER bit. And they mean never not even for having children. From what I can tell after deciphering the mystical stuff that they rely on the chance of the few sperm in the pre-ejaculate to cause fertilization. (and you have to wait many months between attempts, I think it was 9) From what I understand the resulting child will be born enlightened or something to that effect.

They have a almost rabid hatred of Crowley that I find a bit odd as they also uses so many Thelemic terms, like well Thelema, and the Law of Thelema. But they change it, I have seen two versions "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, Love is the Law; but Conscious Love" and "Do what thy GOD wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under the will of GOD".

The fellow I have been talking to always references this website http://www.gnosticteachings.org so that might be a good place to start finding out more about them.


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 Anonymous
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04/10/2006 11:25 am  

Thanks Cug, I have been browsing the gnostic teaching site. The majority of gnosis seems to reflect other schools but I agree that there seems to be a dogma lurking. Nevertheless , most interesting. I was reminded of Kenneth Grant's references in his Cults of the Shadow the Kaula circle of tantrics who restrain themselves from ejaculation, converting the energy in ojas to purify the inner bodies.
For me it's a matter of perspective. Particularly as the outer is the inner when polarisation occurs through will and they are both realised as divisions of the one true body that is beyond both. Perhaps they get their planes mixed up?


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05/10/2006 12:56 am  

Sanmael Aun Weor was born in Colombia, on March 6, 1917, as Victor Manuel Gomez Rodriguez. His teachings used to have a moderately to high number of followers mostly in South and Central America during the 70s. His doctrine is an ecclectic Neopagan, Thelemithic, Neochristian and Catholic blending, framed within a dogmatic and intolerant body that today is being enhaced with New-Age additons by his followers. He hated, above all, AMORC, but freely used some of its teachings. And, as is obvious, took something from Crowley's but modified it to his own ideas. E.g., you can never spill a single drop of semen. If you want to have a child you need to take a single sperm and make it travel to your heart and then, back to the testis. With this, kind of consacreted cell, your son will be a Solar Child. And so on goes his teachings. He died in Mexico City on Dec. 24, 1977. His movent splitted into several offshoots but his son, a certain Osiris Gomez Garro, continues as head of one of them.


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05/10/2006 2:13 am  

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

A weor biography: http://www.gnosticteachings.org/the-teachings-of-gnosis/introductory-information/who-is-samael-aun-weor.html

Samuel Aun Weor is connected to the OTO through Arnoldo Krumm-Heller, whom he speaks of as a teacher of his in many of his writings.

One organization of his, the AGEAC, lives on and gives a free email correspondence course of 40 lessons in pdf format. you can sign up for free by emailing him.

For me, I find Weor's writings themselves very interesting; his following I find almost superstitious and dogmatic, as mentioned by others. I believe 'there is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.' It is some star's paths to abide by his teaching on the spilling of semen and others its not. Every man and every woman is a star.

Weor has a lto of great practical information. His view on the astral plane is comprehensive and interesting. He wrote a book 'dream yoga' concerned with it and here is a free course from gnosis-usa.com ... He focuses a lot on the power of mantras, which Crowley does not emphasize too often.

Weor stresses the unity of all religions much like Crowley, Blavatsky, J. Campbell, etc. He focuses on the doctrine of many egos or Is, and elimination of them, much like Uspenskii/Gurdjieff.

Here are some links
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Introductory information
http://www.gnosticteachings.org/the-teachings-of-gnosis/introductory-information/

Here is a list of some lectures he gave:
http://www.gnosticteachings.org/the-teachings-of-gnosis/lectures-by-samael-aun-weor/

Selections from the writings of Weor:
http://www.gnosticteachings.org/the-teachings-of-gnosis/the-writings-of-samael-aun-weor/

Love is the law, love under will.


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 Anonymous
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06/10/2006 10:06 am  

Thanks to you all for your posts. They are most informative.


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 Anonymous
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06/10/2006 5:56 pm  
"Aum418" wrote:
Samuel Aun Weor is connected to the OTO through Arnoldo Krumm-Heller, whom he speaks of as a teacher of his in many of his writings.

Samael Aum Weor claims that Krumm-Heller named him the head of the Gnostic Chruch when he was 12 years old (when K.H. visited Colombia, S.A.W. was 12 years old).

I think that many of you are not really aware of who is S.A.W. because you are in the USA, the U.K. and English speaking countries.

Let me say that his group was very popular in LAtin America and its branches are still popular nowadays. The group is nothing but a CULT in the wrost sense of the word.

Some FACTS that English speaking people in most cases ignores:

1) The main teaching of Samael Aum Weor is that males are meant not to EVER ejaculate... but what happens if they do? they go to Hell!
Hell is an obsession for this cult and all the time they are scaring its members with the idea of a Hell.
Of course, most males are unable to have sex without EVER ejaculating... but this is OK for the purposes of the group, this is their way to scare them and tell them that they have to work even harder with the teachings of the group or they will go to hell.

2) Revolutionary Psychology: S.A.W. invented a system of psychology that is compulsive for all the members of the group. When a person joins he has to start a psychotheraphy with a "psychologist" form the group. Of course, this is only a system of manipulation, the psychologist tells the person what to do and what not to do with the whole of his life.This is also a system of forced confession.

3) Another teaching of the group: ONLY the members of the group will be saved, the non-members of the group will not have the "gnosis" and will go to hell (which also means that if someone leaves the group, he will go to hell)

4) The Final Days: the members of the group are convinced that the world is about to finish... maybe tomorrow.... hence daily life is not important, the only important thing is the work of the group (because it's the only thing that leads to salvation, everything else leads to hell).
In this sense they have invented the most stupid ideas about forthcoming natural disasters that will destroy the World... the most important of them is HERCOBULUS, the Red Planet... a planet that no scientist knows but they have discovered that it will collide with Earth very soon (actually, they claimed that it was going to collide in the year 2000... but nowadays they simply say "very soon", because it didn't happen in the year 2000).
Visit this OFFICIAL web of the group and you'll laugh about this Hercobulus bullshit: http://www.hercolubus.net/english/home_e.ht m"> http://www.hercolubus.net/english/home_e.htm (Rabolu is the guy who became the head of the group when S.A.W. died). Is it possible to read this shit without laughing???

5) Compulsive Donations: when a member reaches a high grade, quite often he is conviced that he is "too attached to the material world", so he has "bad karma"... BUT there is a way to show that a person is not so attached to the material world: BIG donations to the group (i.e, something like a house). Oh yeah, they do convince people to donate their own house as a way to show that they are "spiritual" persons.

6) S.A.W. claims that his books are revelations, hence it's impossible for the members of the group to discuss them... and yet the books of S.A.W. contain an obvious plagiarism of Oupensky. The most funny fact about it is that the translations of Oupensky to Spanish whilst S.A.W. was alive often had typos... S.A.W. copied the same typos in his "revelations".

7) the members of the group are lead to believe that contact with people who does not want to join the group brings "bad karma" and leads to Hell... so "antis" should be avoided because they will go to Hell.

The group of S.A.W. is nothing but a group of Christian fanaticism that exists in a mental landscape in which almost every action leads to Hell (and the idea of Hell is their big obession). It's nothing but a stupid cult.
It's too bad that there's no information about all this stuff in English, because there's a lot on the subject written in Spanish.


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06/10/2006 5:58 pm  
"kzwleh" wrote:
"Aum418" wrote:
Samael Aum Weor claims that Krumm-Heller named him the head of the Gnostic Chruch when he was 12 years old (when K.H. visited Colombia, S.A.W. was 12 years old).

i.e, his connection with Krum-Heller only exists in the imagination of S.A.W.... it's not real at all.


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06/10/2006 7:42 pm  

kzwleh,
I couldn't agree more, this may come as a shock but the samael gnosis group is a cult, a dangerous one actually. The thing is Samael is huge here in latin america, but only a few english-speakers (what's the term for that?) actually know or have any contact with this cult.

This man claims to be a lot of things, he insisted that we reincarnated many times, obviously only in importante people, and worked his way into manipulating the members of his group with all kind of crazy notions, you have shown only some highlights.

There is a site in spanish for all members of this gnostic cult that have been able to break free from the mental manipulation, it offers help to those trying to see the truth, and it's constantly under attack, it's also well documented on all kinds of abuse and nonsense from this samael character. This is the site: http://www.sos-gnosis.org/

I know it won't be much help if no one speaks spanish, but maybe someone does and can learn a few things from this cult.


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06/10/2006 9:18 pm  
"asclepio" wrote:
kzwleh,
I couldn't agree more, this may come as a shock but the samael gnosis group is a cult, a dangerous one actually. The thing is Samael is huge here in latin america, but only a few english-speakers (what's the term for that?) actually know or have any contact with this cult.

I think they are trying to promote themselves in the Occult "scene", specially internet e-lists and forums of the USA... because they can no longer do it in the e-lists and forums of Latin America: they only receive insults and there's so much information about them in Spanish that it's kinda easy in a Spanish-speaking forum to show the kind of rats that they are. Hence they are desperately trying to create a new "market" of consumers for their rotten product.


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 Anonymous
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06/10/2006 9:30 pm  

A twist in the tale. THanks for the information. Information is everything right. It's certainly something to think about or not. Unfortunately my Spanish is a little rusty though I do work with some Argentinian guys!


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06/10/2006 9:30 pm  
"Aum418" wrote:
there is much more to weor's teachings though this is the central 'secret' of his. "He wrote over sixty books, covering a broad range of esoteric, philosophical, and anthropological subjects. The following is taken from the Thelema Press website.
1950 - The Perfect Matrimony - Kindergarten (Revised and expanded in 1961. See below).

The list does not include one of his most famous books!:
"Si hay Infierno, Si hay diablo, si hay Karma"
(an English translation of the title would be "Yes, Hell exists. Yes, the Devil exists. Yes, Karma exists").
I don't understand why they didn't include it because it's one of his most famous books... maybe because the title already sounded too stupid (Could it be that they changed its title in English to something that didn't sound so silly?)

I don't get how it is possible for a publisher who uses the name "Thelema Press" to publish the works of S.A.W... Thelema without ejaculation???


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06/10/2006 9:35 pm  

Is it not true that after the death of SAW things got split up with several people claiming to be the new leader? (Where did I hear that before???? 😉 ) I wonder if you have more of a bad seed leaders down in the southern hemisphere. Like I said I do see some Scientology like actions, but nothing I'd really call dangerous.

I see Krumm-Heller name was mentioned. The fellow I was talking with used him as proof that Crowley was the one who perverted the O.T.O. sex magick. If the O.T.O. promoted spilling the seed there would be no way Krumm-Heller would of let himself be associated with the O.T.O.

They also have some interesting ideas about Jesus.. Did you know he spent his 20's being taught white tantra by Egyptian priests?


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06/10/2006 9:37 pm  
"kzwleh" wrote:
I don't get how it is possible for a publisher who uses the name "Thelema Press" to publish the works of S.A.W... Thelema without ejaculation???

Honest to god.. On the forum of the site I linked to above, they claim Thelema because SAW said it last! 😉


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06/10/2006 10:31 pm  

93

Though many will disagree with Weor he had many important and useful things to say.

He focused a lot on dream awareness/astral travel.
He focuses on concentration through mantra.
He focuses on storing of energy through non-ejactulation.
He focused on discarding egos through self-examination (revolutionary psychology)

I believe There is no law beyond do what thou wilt, so if you see fit to ejaculate, ahve fun. If you see fit to store the energy as Weor suggests, go for it. I don't hink he believes in a Hell in the normal Christian sense. I dont encourage the dogmatic approach to condemning others without gnosis or others who spill semen. Weor challenges a lot of beliefs about planets, catastrpohes, etc but that doesn't really matter to me. His work with the Revolutionary Psychology similar to any work of getting rid of attachments and egos, his system parallels Ouspensky & Gurdjieffs very closely. About Krumm-heller, I only wanted to show his connection to OTO through a few degrees ( http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/spermo.htm). All this jumping on the bandwagon of condemning Weor and his "cult" seems childish. We can assimilate his knowledge without becoming dogmatic and try his practices without prejudice ... success will be your proof.

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06/10/2006 11:17 pm  

How does this thread tie up with Crowley and Thelema? A lot of the posts seem like an advertisement for "S A W". If i am wrong apologies.


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07/10/2006 8:48 am  
"Aum418" wrote:
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All this jumping on the bandwagon of condemning Weor and his "cult" seems childish. We can assimilate his knowledge without becoming dogmatic and try his practices without prejudice ... success will be your proof.

It's not childish when you know people who had to spend a long time in a mental hospital after a few years of being involved with that bullshit (among other things).

Would you keep your mouth shut if someone was promoting the benefits of smoking crack in a forum in which people speaks a language in which there's no information about the problems that smoking crack brings?

Which one is the relationship between "success" and living in a paranoid world in which an imaginary planet is about to collide with planet Earth?
Which ones are the benefits of living in a sick nightmare in which ejaculation leads to hell?

I'm not jumping on the bandwagon of condemning Weor and his cult... I'm simply providing information that is not available in English when the situation is that a cult tries to promote itself using the internet withing the context of an English-speaking public who is in most cases unable to read most (or probably all) the information that is available about it in Spanish.

If you happen to speak a bit of Spanish, just visit any non Weorian occult-related forum or e-list and ask people what do they think about Weor... I bet that what you'll hear won't be nice, but try it for yourself... success will be your proof. 😈


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07/10/2006 4:14 pm  

As I have NO experience with anything related to Weor, I'm a bit reluctant to add to this thread-however, it IS rather dominating the discussions here as of late. I'd like to say I really appreciated Aum418's words:

I believe There is no law beyond do what thou wilt, so if you see fit to ejaculate, ahve fun. If you see fit to store the energy as Weor suggests, go for it.

We can assimilate his knowledge without becoming dogmatic and try his practices without prejudice ... success will be your proof.

Many years ago, I studied with the Rosicrucian Fellowship (was interested in Astrology and ended with becoming very interested in their overall Philosophy and Mysticism-this was on the tail end of my own Christian Fundementalism and the RF certainly suggested all kinds of new and larger approaches to things I had previously absorbed only as Dogma). The RF is another group which advocates celibacy as THE key to developing the Astral Body, Creating the Philosopher's Stone etc.

The underlying theme between Weor, the RF, OTO(s) etc seems to be an indicator that the Sex Force within the Human Organism is a vast and godlike catalyst of personal and universal power. I think it was stodgy old Arthur Waite who identified the Highest Mystery of the Jewish Qabalah as a Mystery of "Sex." I recently read another document which offered the wonderful insight that even Human Sex (in all its manifestations-and latent powers) is another expression of the Sex Energy that literally begets the Universe continuously. Hence, our use of this energy from whatever angle in reference to our particular end is a connector point to the AL of the Cosmos. The Secret which is SECRETion (spilled, continent, howEVER).

I also see (and have experienced for myself) that what we call THELEMA is a Great Vessel of Art, capable of extracting the Gold from all its Encrustations and building that Force into the very personal superstructure of our "aggregate" selves. Some people are massive lumbering stumbling aggregations of ill-balanced crumbling woodwork, like a mechanical walking house pulled from some Tim Burton film...others are Spaceships of the most Sophisticated Design. I've found that to a large measure which one we become is related much to the Angel-Builder (Mystic Mason) rather than the instructions for the plastic model-kit packed in the box.

Now, I suppose I should actually read some Weor if I'm to post more and although the controversy around his teachings is intriguing, I'd rather finish my read of Frater Progradior's Magickal Diary!

Has anyone found Weor to be of personal benefit (even extracting some gems from the dirt) to their own Thelemic Work?

I still carry some bits of Max Heindel with me, although, quite thankfully, ALCHEMIZED!

😀

(Note the happy no need to be celibate smile!)

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07/10/2006 7:25 pm  

93 kyle,

I have found various parts of Weor to be of help.

His book 'Revolutionary Psychology' is a great, non-dogmatic way to start. It is a way of analyzing one's thoughts, and desires, and becoming aware of your different egos or "I"s.

His book "Perfect Matrimony" is a full treatise on his Sexual alchemy ideas.

His book Dream Yoga is a full, though short & concise treatise on astral travel. Read hte list posted above for a full list of his works, many of which Thelema Press prints in English.

Here are some quotes:

"What is the use of education if we do not become creative, conscious and truly intelligent? Real education does not mean knowing how to read and write. Any stupid person, any fool can know how to read and write. We need to have intelligence and it only awakens within us when the consciousness awakens." -Fundamental Education

To be honest, I don't know why his followers are so dogmatic. He himself said: "Do not follow me. I am just a signpost. Reach your own Self-realization."

"The mind must free itself from all kinds of “schools,” religions, sects, beliefs, etc. All those “cages” are obstacles which render the mind incapable of thinking freely. It is necessary for the mind to become free of the illusions of this world and become a fine and marvelous instrument of the Inner Being." The word of Sin is Restriction, eh?

The Solar Christ hero: "The teachings of the Zend Avesta are in accordance with the doctrinal principles contained in the Egyptian book of the dead, and contain the Christ-principle. The Illiad of Homer, the Hebrew Bible, the Germanic Edda and the Sibylline Books of the Romans contain the same Christ-principle. All these are sufficient in order to demonstrate tat Christ is anterior to Jesus of Nazareth. Christ is not one individual alone. Christ is a cosmic principle that we must assimilate within our own physical, psychic, somatic and spiritual nature… Among the Persians, Christ is Ormuz, Ahura Mazda, terrible enemy of Ahriman (Satan), which we carry within us. Amongst the Hindus, Krishna is Christ; thus, the gospel of Krishna is very similar to that of Jesus of Nazareth. Among the Egyptians, Christ is Osiris and whosoever incarnated him was in fact an Osirified One. Amongst the Chinese, the Cosmic Christ is Fu Hi, who composed the I-Ching (The Book of Laws) and who nominated Dragon Ministers. Among the Greeks, Christ is called Zeus, Jupiter, the Father of the Gods. Among the Aztecs, Christ is Quetzalcoatl, the Mexican Christ. In the Germanic Edda, Baldur is the Christ who was assassinated by Hodur, God of War, with an arrow made from a twig of mistletoe, etc. In like manner, we can cite the Cosmic Christ within thousands of ancient texts and old traditions which hail from millions of years before Jesus. The whole of this invites us to embrace that Christ is a cosmic principle contained within the essential principles of all religions." -Perfect Matrimony

Here is an intro to Gnosis, Weor-style: http://www.gnosticteachings.org/the-teachings-of-gnosis/introductory-information/what-is-gnosis.htm l"> http://www.gnosticteachings.org/the-teachings-of-gnosis/introductory-information/what-is-gnosis.html

Here are lectures given by Weor, translated into English:
http://www.gnosticteachings.org/the-teachings-of-gnosis/lectures-by-samael-aun-weor /"> http://www.gnosticteachings.org/the-teachings-of-gnosis/lectures-by-samael-aun-weor/

Much like we would not want people to judge Crowley on second-hand assertions made about him, let us view Weor through his own words and not through the discrimination of others.

<span style="font-size:18px]Free PDFs of some Weor books%;">
* Revolutionary Psychology (1975): A treatise on esoteric/gnostic psychology & the elimination of egos or "I"s
* The Three Mountains (1972): A sort of magical autobiography
* The Mystery of the Golden Blossom (1971): Samael Aun Weor reveals many of the secrets that have long kept Alchemy encoded in parables and mythology, speaking plainly and in practical terms so that people today can begin this practice themselves.
* Pistis Sophia Unveiled (1977): Weor attempted a commentary on the Gnostic Bible, the Pistis Sophia. He died before he could fully complete it, but what he did write is contained in this book along with the full Pistis Sophia.

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07/10/2006 8:56 pm  
"Aum418" wrote:
I have found various parts of Weor to be of help.
(...)
Much like we would not want people to judge Crowley on second-hand assertions made about him, let us view Weor through his own words and not through the discrimination of others.

OK... let's follow your method... let's let him talk, let's quote him... I'm translating from Spanish some interesting ideas of S.A.W.
Judge for yourself...

S.A.W. on those who leave his group:

"People does not have a moral responsibility yet. People keeps on changing from school to school and for that reason they fail. The gnostic that leaves the Gnóstic Movement is a complete irresponsible one, an embryo, a fetus without maturity. The mature gnostic would prefer to die before leaving the Gnostic Movement." ("El Cristo Social", Samael Aun Weor)

S.A.W. on those who ejaculate:

"Moises, the great initiate, condemns spilling semen... The tenebrous Parsival Krumm Heller and the horrible black magician Cherenci teach to spill semen. How cynical! What gangsters! These tenebrous ones teach negative sexual magic. They ejaculate semen during their cults of negative sexual magic. This class of cults comes from the cult to the horrible goddess Kali... the black magic of the Atlantis... With these tantric cults the snake wakes up negatively and descends to the atomic hell of the man, then it becomes the horrible tail of the demons... With these cults the cannanites and the inhabitants of Carthage perished, Tiro and Sidon; with these horrible practices the Atlantis sank. Those are the cults that make men become the beast of the seven heads of which the Apocalypse speaks to us... All the instructors who teach to spill semen are black magicians" ("El Cristo Social", Samael Aum Weor)

S.A.W. on Hitler, races and politics:

"Hitler wanted to start a New Order of the World and sent his armies against the secret enemy, but he failed because the secret enemy was million times more powerful than him.
The secret enemy is not a race, it's not a town, it's the power of the communists.
Multimillonaires that they hide behind all the governments, who hide behind the shades, who have in their hands all gold of the world.
(...)
In a secret meeting in Budapest (12th of February 1962), the communist secret power with the attendance of the tenebrous persons of the secret enemy designed the following plan:
a) That the Third World War is prepared in order to destroy in the first place the countries of Europe and America as a way to end the power of the White Race, considered like the worse obstacle than the Secret Enemy has in their way towards the control of the World.
b) That during the Third World War, the Secret Enemy will hide itself in the best possible way, so that after the war they can send their astute emissaries to the white countries with the purpose of governing them.
c) That after the Third World War marriages of white women with colored men will be promoted as a way to destroy the White Race.
d) To establish the capital of the Universal Socialist Republic in a place where it would get more useful for the plans of the Secret Enemy.
e) To help technically and scientifically Asia so that it has superiority on the White Race" ("Manifiesto del Partido Obrero Socialista Latino Americano", Samael Aun Weor)

More S.A.W. on politics and his own political party (very much inspired in the Nazi Party):

"The creation of the Latin American Christian Socialist Party (POSCLA)
was in fact an urgent need.
As the founding President of the Latin American Christian Socialist Party, I have written this book as a way to inform the public opinion of the whole of Latin America. There will be a Novus Ordo Saeculurum, a new order in the centuries, initiated by the Latin America and the Latin American Christian Socialism" ("El Cristo Social", Samael Aum Weor).

And I could keep on quoting more nonsense from this lunatic, but I'd rather go to the vet and buy some kitten food for Zos & Kia or tonight we'll have a big trouble with these two hungry cats!


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08/10/2006 1:20 am  

I think this thread is wearing out its relevance to Crowley and Thelema per se but is really tapping into some various intriguing aspects of Mystical and Magical Work. Would anyone object if we jumped it over into a new thread and, without excluding the works of S.A.W., related it a little more directly to AC's work along the lines of the view and use of the "node" (yes, I decided to check out the Gnostic Links myself)?

I'll start the thread and well roll from there?

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Weor is related to Crowley in many ways. Weor emphasizes the destruction of false ego(s). Weor emphasizes the truth behind all religions and attempted to synthesize them. Weor believed the semen was very powerful. Weor put a lot of emphasis on the power of concentration. Weor emphasizes the power of Thelema.

Weor's style is a lot more succinct, repetitive, and clear (than most of Crowley's though he can be magickally concise sometimes). Even though Weor did mention those seemingly strange concepts that another quoted about, he said "Genuine Gnosis is the Universal Knowledge that frees the soul from suffering. Gnosis is experiential knowledge, not merely intellectual or conceptual knowledge, belief or theory. True Gnosis is universal to all mankind and is the root wisdom of all genuine religions and mystical traditions." He exalts an individual's experience above any of his intellectual teachings; Success is your proof. Every man and every woman is a star. He also mentions that he is only a signpost or a guide for others, not to be idolized himself: he wanted only for people to be self-realized and good people to create harmony in the world to dispel the immense amounts of sorrow. He had his own language/jargon that may sound strange to a Thelemite, just like Crowley-language sounds weird to any outsider (Nuit, Hadit, Ra-Hoor-khuit, Holy Guardian Angel, Babalon, Choronzon... ); I hope we can not judge Weor like so many judge Crowley, without experiencing their teachings for themselves and putting them into practice. Didn't Crowley write in Heart of the Master: "Also, to deny the Law of Thelema is a restriction in oneself, affirming conflict in the Universe as necessary. It is blasphemy agains the Self, assuming that its WIll is not a necessary (and therefore a noble) part of the Whole. In a word, he who accepts not the Law of Thelema is divided against himself: that is, he is insane, and the upshot shall be the ruin of the Unity of his Godhead. " ...?

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28/10/2006 11:43 pm  

so can we consider SAW to be the "father" of gnosticism in Latin America?
and does someone see the relation between gnosticism and leftist poltical groups?


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29/10/2006 2:08 am  
"searchingforsophia" wrote:
so can we consider SAW to be the "father" of gnosticism in Latin America?
and does someone see the relation between gnosticism and leftist poltical groups?

No, SAW is not the "father" of Gnosticism in Latin America...
Simply a person who invented his own cultist version of Gnosticism (which is mostly based in his "revelations", not in true Gnosticism).
Most of the occult currents are influenced by Gnosticism, and most of them existed in South America before SAW was even born.

And then... if you mean the relationship between the "Gnosticism" of SAW and leftist groups.
The political ideas of SAW were mostly influenced by Adolf Hitler (featuring some bizarre ideas about communism as an evil force created to destroy the white race and that kind of idiocy). The only criticism that SAW had about Hitler is that SAW considered that war was not the path or way to change the situation of the world (but his other political ideas come mostly from Hitler in a very open way... he even created his own political party and gave it a name that willingly sounded like Hitler's party translated to Spanish: "Latin American Christian Socialist Party of the Workers" (and with "Socialist" he didn't mean "Socialist" as something close to "Communism", but as something close to "National Socialism"). I.e, SAW was close to the far right, not the left at all.

If you are interested in the relationship of Occult currents and the left in Latin America, I think that you'll find something closer if you search for the Humanist Party and his leader Silo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Rodr%C3%ADguez_Cobo s"> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Rodr%C3%ADguez_Cobos
(I must say that I don't like him at all either, but because of very different reasons that make me dislike SAW... He's mostly a guy who was the leader of a New Age group in Argentina and then he decided to make it become a Leftist Political Party -and yet his group works nowadays as something between an Occult order and a tiny political party with branches in several parts of the world -IMHO, Silo's Humanist Party is also a Cult, though by far less destructive than SAW's Gnosis... well, they are very different).

The other difference between Silo's party and SAW's party would be the SAW's political party never had any real political influence, whilst Silo's party has it (it's a tiny party that would never win a presidential election, but when the elections are coming, at least in Argentina, you'll see the Humanist Candidate discussing with the candidates of the "big" parties on TV as an equal... but you'll never see a candidate of SAW's gnostic party doing such thing).


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29/10/2006 10:20 am  

I've just noticed that my previous post may cause some confusion.

The current branches of SAW's gnosticism are certainly not quite political or even not political at all.

The idea of creating a political party that would rule the whole of Latin America and that stuff was mostly a part of SAW's huge ego... a part of his "I am the messiah" complex. Since he never had ANY realistic political influence, when he died his followers got mostly interested in his "Occult ideas" and his political ideas became mostly like a side issue for them.

(I mean, the average weorian nowadays is, imho, a cultist, but not really close to nazism... you won't find many followers of SAW among the current Latin American nazis who are into Occult stuff and probably Miguel Serrano and Julius Evola are more popular among those insects with no brains).

There you have, I've said something that sounds almost nice about the followers of Weor.... shame on me! (but I thought that it wasn't bad to be fair about this issue).


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I would Highly recommend the website www.gnosticweb.com for a complete insight into modern gnosis. They offer free courses in Astral Travel and Self knowledge (plus more advanced studies when you have completed those..all free of charge of course.). I wouldn't say it's dogmatic but based upon personal investigation and the knowledge you gain from that experience.Gnosis just means knowledge anyway. Ok Seeya.
They have free dowloads of several of Samael Aun Weor's Books.


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All the books of VM S.A.W give keys to try it your self.Try and you will see the truth,The brain doesnt comprehend this but the awake concience does. Practice, pactice, practice and see it with your own eyes, then you can judge.


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"kzwleh" wrote:
"kzwleh" wrote:
"Aum418" wrote:
Samael Aum Weor claims that Krumm-Heller named him the head of the Gnostic Chruch when he was 12 years old (when K.H. visited Colombia, S.A.W. was 12 years old).

i.e, his connection with Krum-Heller only exists in the imagination of S.A.W.... it's not real at all.

Krum Heller was alive


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In fact many confusions are happens about Samael Aun Weor.
I must indicate to all thelemites to read, to devour SAW´s books, only by this way you should comprehend the great teachings inside his works. Who wants to study sexual magic should read some of his books.
The non-ejaculate of semen it was always extolled by O.T.O..
In Liber C vel Agape there exists an affirmation that all power dwells in semen, the controlling of sexual energy is the key of the whole reigns and powers.
I recommend to the people that read Crowley’s essays to read Samael Aun Weor either, for certainly they will understand what I am saying.
Crowley and Samael talk about the same matter.

“Who calls us Thelemites will do no wrong, if he look but close into the word. For there are
therein Three Grades, the Hermit, and the Lover, and the man of Earth.”

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18/01/2007 10:19 pm  

This thread hasnt adequately asserted that SAW is relevant to modern Thelema or a healthy continuation of Crowley's work. Some of the posters in this thread have come across has trying to sell & advertise SAW without arguing the relevance to Thelema . When the maxim is "do what thou wilt" why should any Thelemite need the opinons of SAW when they do quite well as it is?


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18/01/2007 11:16 pm  

they just came out with a video called:

SEX, the Secret Gate to Eden... or something like that

http://www.gnosticvideos.or g"> http://www.gnosticvideos.org


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"hawthornrussell" wrote:
This thread hasnt adequately asserted that SAW is relevant to modern Thelema or a healthy continuation of Crowley's work.

I can't see how it could be.

If you look at the teaching of the Modern Gnostic Movement you will find that Crowley's works should not even be read, much less followed.

Basically they think Crowley was evil because he was a fornicator.

Not very Thelemic 😉


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Thelema is related to Weor in many ways that have already been pointed out.

Weor advocates traveling often in the Astral body and mastering it.

Weor advocates self-analysis & destruction of the "I"s or egos that cloud the True Self or Being

Weor advocates the cultivation of the power of concentration through the use of meditation & mantras

Weor advocates self-discipline, exemplified in not having an orgasm.

Weor advocated seeing the unity that lied behind all religions and drew on the various ones he saw fit.

Weor also recommends not to "follow him" but to use him merely as a "signpost." He was just in Crowley in this regard who said that he wants each man to cut his own way through the forest, or something similar (from his Confessions, I believe).

Weor saw Krumm-Heller as a teacher who was associated with the O.T.O.

etc

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19/01/2007 7:34 pm  

Thanks for your reply Aum418.

What you have said doesnt suggest anything that most Thelemites dont already know. What your suggesting is that SAW is merely a mimic of Crowley's writing. Nothing has been said in this thread that suggests that the material of SAW could improve upon the work of Crowley.

What writing of SAW's improves upon the work of Crowley or Thelema in general?


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19/01/2007 8:36 pm  
"hawthornrussell" wrote:
Thanks for your reply Aum418.

What you have said doesnt suggest anything that most Thelemites dont already know. What your suggesting is that SAW is merely a mimic of Crowley's writing. Nothing has been said in this thread that suggests that the material of SAW could improve upon the work of Crowley.

What writing of SAW's improves upon the work of Crowley or Thelema in general?

93

Your assertion that it "doesnt suggest anything that most Thelemites dont already know" is what we call a "generalization." In Thelema, we think of people as individuals and try not to broadly generalize large masses of people, especially Thelemites, right?

Also, I am not suggesting that SAW "is merely a mimic of Crowley's writing;" that is your OWN conclusion. I posted the similarities because you asked how it had to do with Thelema at all.

Nothing has been said that can "improve upon the work of Crowley?" It is not the forum-goers job to tell you how Weor improves upon Crowley's work, since that wasn't the point of the thread in the first place. In my opinion, Weor delves WAY more in depth about the Astral Plane in various books, especially Dream Yoga. He also delves way more into the use of Mantras. He also focuses more specifically on psychoanalysis, psychology, and self-analysis - especially in his Revolutionary Psychology. This parallels Ouspensky & Gurdjieff's work in this area though he makes it succinct, clear, and concise much like Crowley does in some areas. Also, Weor gives many practices that Crowley never mentions.

Each person can "improve" upon Thelema in the sense that it gives the individual who is studying Thelema a new point-of-view, more information to reference previous knowledge against, and perhaps new techniques & practices to employ for direct experience. I can't see how you managed to overlook all of these points.

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Thanks for your reply Aum418.

Your post raised some "interesting" points , but i am still of the opinion that this thread is nothing more than a advertisement for SAW , and i will politely disagree with your assertions .


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Well, in my own occults researches I found the principal teaching of Samael Aun Weor ( Or the non-ejaculated of semen ) in accordance with some of Crowley instructions.
More specifically in The Hatha Yoga Pradipika, that is an important and frequently referenced Indian text on various Hindu spiritual techniques, and is cited by Crowley on the A.'.A.'. student required reading list. It is organized into short sections of a few sentences which are then gathered into four chapters.
The third chapter, that is my focus on this topic, further describes ten "mudras" or additional physical practices. Mostly these are another series of combinations of asanas and pranayama to arouse Kundalini. Also certain of these mudras are concerned with an alternative method of turning the tongue backwards to stop and or catch a flow of astral nectar down the spine. Doing this is said to produce immortality.
There is also the vajroli mudra in which semen is retained during ejaculation so as to avoid depleting the man's stock of life force or bindu.

According to Hatha Yoga Pradipika:

87. The Yogi who can protect his bindu thus, overcomes death; because death comes by
discharging bindu, and life is prolonged by its preservation.
88. By preserving bindu, the body of the Yogi emits a pleasing smell. There is no fear of
death, so long as the bindu is well-established in the body.
89. The bindu of men is under control of the mind, and life is dependant on the bindu.
Hence, mind and bindu should be protected by all means.

Al II:67 describes the process:

Hold! Hold! Bear up in thy rapture; fall not in swoon of the excellent kisses!


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Thanks for your reply Theli.

With regard to the issue over Liber AL . Using it (Liber Al) in such a rigid fashion could be seen has a centre of pestilence. The passage you quoted from Liber AL doesnt assert your argument/point. Its very easy to take Liber AL out of context. You are just trying to make it fit your point of view. With regard to the Pradipika , i dont have any issue. It is of benefit to spiritual practice. But with regard to SAW no one on this thread has successfully argued that SAW has anything to offer to Thelemites that they havent heard elsewhere.


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"hawthornrussell" wrote:
Thanks for your reply Theli.

With regard to the issue over Liber AL . Using it (Liber Al) in such a rigid fashion could be seen has a centre of pestilence. The passage you quoted from Liber AL doesnt assert your argument/point.

I thought it did quite well. Perhpas Theli was offering the line - if you make connections thats good, if not, oh well.

Its very easy to take Liber AL out of context. You are just trying to make it fit your point of view.

Perhaps Theli is, but I wouldnt regard that as pestilence. I thought the
quote was actualy quite pertinent.

With regard to the Pradipika , i dont have any issue. It is of benefit to spiritual practice. But with regard to SAW no one on this thread has successfully argued that SAW has anything to offer to Thelemites that they havent heard elsewhere.

I dont understand what kind of stick you have up your ass in regards to SAW. Why dont you read his books for yourself and decide whether he has anything to offer instead of me constantly repeating myself saying that he has a lot to offer to Thelemites in the realm of Astral Travel, of self-analysis, esoteric theories on things such as Book of Revelations/pistis sophia, etc, and a lot of describing of the sacred practice of sex in mystery of the golden blossom & perfect matrimony...?

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Thanks for your reply Aum 418.

I am sure that SAW has something to offer to certain people who need spiritual direction but i am sure for Thelemites SAW wont tell them anything they dont already know. I went over this thread again to see if i missed something... to give your argument a second chance , but i must politely stand by my assertion that SAW isnt relevant to my Thelemic pursuits or is a healthy continuation of Crowley's work.

http://forum.rickross.com/

If you click on the "Former Cult Members and Affected Families there is a thread concerning SAW. It has very confusing posts from former members of SAW organisations. From what some former followers are saying there seems to be many contradictions in his "teachings". Aum 418 could you possibly elaborate on why these confusions exist?


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Hello,
I am a member of the Gnostic movement. I stumbled over this thread by accident and felt compelled to respond reading some of the ridiculous "facts" posted here. I find it very sad, especially you should know better, when Aleister Crowley is goofed on by people who obviously do not know what they are saying (see Wikipedia). Why do some people love to spread such outrageous nonsense, for what?

1. It is not a "cult." We see our friends whenever it pleases us. Most of the time we study by living intensely our lives.
2. Never do they dictate moral values, they teach how to think not what to think.
3. Never to they "tell us what to do."
4. Never do they encourage us not to talk to "outsiders."
5. I never "had to" visit a "psychologist" to get my brain washed.
6. We do not "have to donate" anything at all.
7. None of the works of Samael Aun Weor are "plagiarized." We study Buddhism, Hinduism, Christic Gnosticism, Sufism, Gurdjieffs Fourth-Way, Ouspensky, Blavatsky, Sivananda, Krishnamurti, Steiner, etc., etc., etc. - just to find out for ourselves, that the thruths behind these scriptures are the same.
8. Most Gnostics (hopefully) do not reach the orgasm. But never are we told that this is "not allowed." Rather we learn through experience that the contrary will harm us, physically, mentally and spiritually.
9. No one ever said that "just the members of the group" will be "saved."
10. Never do they tell us "not to have children." In fact many friends of mine who are in Gnosis do have children. Instructions are given to those who want to have children without spilling the seed.
11. We do not study Crowley, but if we want to, why would anyone hinder us?

Samael Aun Weor teaches Psychology, sexual magic, Kabbalah, Tarot, Runes, Meditation, Concentration, Self-observation, Self-remembering, Retrospection, Astral travel or Dream Yoga, Chakras, Pranayama, Mudras, Exercises, elemental magic, medicine, and much much more. We learn through living our lives; by commiting mistakes and destroying the principles in us that made us commit such an mistake. Someone over here also wrote that the Gnostics changed "Do what thou wilt" which is ridiculous since there is not WILL as long as the Ego is alive. This is written in plain in many sacred scriptures (like in the Bible) or in Freemasonry literature (like Manly P. Hall's books). How can you "do your will" or "love under will" when your very will is dictated by lower instincts. If you "hate" Samael Aun Weor so much, as it seems, then do yourself a favour at least and study Gurdjieff. After one day in self-observation we'll see how much "will" you really have.

"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Matthew 12:50


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18/09/2007 4:46 pm  

Here's more material concerning white sexual magic. I have many many more quotes but i don't want to go through my stuff now. Especially the Bible has alot to say on black and white sexuality. The first one who revealed this knowledge was Krumm-Heller who wrote an entire book about it. Samael Aun Weor though was the only who teached it in public. I did not include quotes of him since each and every book he wrote deals with it. His books contain everything needed on the journey, that's why he obviously had to repeat truths that were published by others before him. But all these truths are worth nothing if you lack the WILL to fulfill them.

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Paul

In the view of Tantra, the body's vital energies are the vehicles of the mind. When the vital energies are pure and subtle, one's state of mind will be accordingly affected. By transforming these bodily energies we transform the state of consciousness. - The Fourteenth Dalai Lama

"Although I am using this ordinary term, sexual climax, it does not imply the ordinary sexual act. The reference here is to the experience of entering into union with a consort of the opposite sex, by means of which the elements at the crown are melted, and through the power of Meditation the process is also reversed. A prerequisite of such a practice is that you should be able to protect yourself from the fault of seminal emission. According to the explanation of the Kalachakra Tantra in particular, such emission is said to be very damaging to your practice. Therefore, because you should not experience emission even in dreams, the tantras describe different techniques for overcoming this fault." - The 14th Dalai Lama- The Fourteenth Dalai Lama

In Tibetan Buddhism, especially if you look at the iconography of deities with consorts, you can see a lot of very explicit sexual symbolism which often gives the wrong impression. Actually, in this case the sex organ is utilized, but the energy movement which is taking place is, in the end, fully controlled. The energy should never be let out. This energy must be controlled and eventually returned to other parts of the body. What is required for a tantric practitioner is to develop the capacity to utilize one's faculties of bliss and the blissful experiences which are specifically generated due to the flow of regenerative fluids within one's energy channels. It is crucial to have the ability to protect oneself from the fault of emission. It is not just a purely ordinary sexual act. - The Fourteenth Dalai Lama

If the sexual energy is transmuted into ojas or spiritual energy by pure thoughts, it is called sex sublimation in western psychology. Sublimation is not a matter of suppression or repression, but a positive, dynamic, conversion process. It is the process of controlling the sex energy, conserving it, then diverting it into higher channels, and finally, converting it into spiritual energy or ojas shakti. The material energy is changed into spiritual energy, just as heat is changed into light and electricity. Just as a chemical substance is sublimated or purified by raising the substance through heat into vapor which again is condensed into solid form, so also, the sexual energy is purified and changed into divine energy by spiritual sadhana.

Ojas is spiritual energy that is stored up in the brain. By entertaining sublime, soul-elevating thoughts of the Self or atman, by meditation, japa, worship and pranayama, the sexual energy can be transmuted into ojas shakti and stored up in the brain. This stored up energy can then be utilized for divine contemplation and spiritual pursuits.

Anger and muscular energy can also be transmuted into ojas. A man who has a great deal of ojas in his brain can turn out immense mental work. He is very intelligent. He has lustrous eyes and a magnetic aura in his face. He can influence people by speaking a few words. A short speech of his produces a tremendous impression on the minds of the hearers. His speech is thrilling. He has an awe-inspiring personality. - Swami Sivananda

Had Psyche, by meekness and affection, persuaded Love to reveal himself, she would never have lost Love. Now, Love is one of the mythological images of the Great Secret and the Great Agent, because it postulates at once an action and a passion, a void and a plenitude, a shaft and a wound. The initiates will understand me, and on account of the profane I must not speak clearly. - Eliphas Levi

Take it for what it is worth, and decide whether a** or man shall be master. He alone can possess truly the pleasure of love who has conquered the love of pleasure. To be able and to forbear
is to be twice able. - Eliphas Levi

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 4:1 And Adam KNEW Eve his wife; and she conceived

Genesis 4:17 And Cain KNEW his wife; and she conceived

Genesis 4:25 And Adam KNEW his wife again; and she bare a son

Judges 19:25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they KNEW her, and abused her all the night

etc., etc., etc.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, Love is the Law; but Conscious (not mechanical) Love!
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I am finding this thread dubious. It just seems to be followers of SAW "selling up " their 'teacher'. The SAW quotes dont seem to say anything that a Thelemite doesnt already know. I asked earlier in this thread how the teachings of SAW improve or equal Crowleys writing. And nothing said so far suggests otherwise. The Rick Ross forum address given earlier in the thread gives an idea of the cult associations attributed to this SAW.


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18/09/2007 9:54 pm  

I will throw in here, that I think what SAW offers is a bit more clarity about sexual alchemy. The ordinary path of magick will eventually get you there through initiation, but slowly, through gradual revelation.

As one who 'casually' studied magick and mysticism (and gnosticism) all my life, I came to a sudden, late understanding of the real meaning of sexual alchemy, and I find that SAW was much more clear in explaining what was going on than Crowley, or any western tradition. IMHO, the tradition of yoga is the only other one that is as explicit and clear, if not more so. Even the Buddhist tradition (which I most identify with) is rather 'covert' and slow-evolving. This is fine for young people starting on the path. But when you're ready to really get to the nitty-gritty, and you've already got your desires and ego out of the way (probably at a later age), then someone like SAW or Sivananda or even maybe Kelsang Gyatso (kind of a maverick Buddhist lama) are more direct.

My working theory about life, the universe, and everything, is that we are now ready in our age for a science of the mystic/gnostic realities that can and should put aside symbolism, deities, ritual, etc... and start teaching these practices directly. There is no Nuit, there is no Shakti. There is, however, enlightenment. It is attainable by using the body and mind in specific, by-now-well-documented ways. SAW teaches this explicitly. Actually, he kind of rants it and shouts it to the point that most people think he is a kook. And that's his problem.

'Spilling the semen' is a boogyman idea. I've spilled mine like a maniac my entire life and have no plans to stop. But I have also attained samadhi through sexual tantra. True, it is necessary to refrain for some time to get to that state. But spilling it does not send you to hell, or even directly back to 'go'. It just puts you back a few steps, like eating a cheeseburger when you're on a diet. The diet isn't ruined, but it didn't help, either.

Besides, spilling is fun. Lots of fun. But the sex that can be had without spilling makes that ordinary spilling-sex look like a board game. It is simply another type of experience altogether, beyond sex. You don't need to be a gnostic to know that.


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19/09/2007 11:59 pm  

My own personal opinion on 'to spill or not to spill' is its dictated by the purpose of the action.
My own personal opinion on SAW is that he should be put to the fire, like all the rest of the 'Modren Gnostic Movment'(i'm going to include uncle Al in this too, for fairness if nothing else), and we should watch their sh*te burn and see what comes out with the ashes, if anything at all.
My own personal opinion on SAW is he was a twat, who is now langusing in a hell of perpetual ejaculation.


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20/09/2007 12:55 pm  

Locked because it's all become rather silly and indulgent.

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