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05/01/2007 3:32 am  

I just wondered if any one has seen a South Park episode spoofing Thelema? I've seen the Scientology one, the L.D.S. (Mormon) one, tons of Christianity spoofs, the Mel Gibson included, etc. But I've wondered if there had been one on Crowley. If there isn't, I'll just say I'd love to see it. There are a rediculous amount of Thelemites who take things the wrong way, and it would be entertaining to see Matt Stone and Trey Parker rip that apart. They do such a good job of preserving the message of the Religion or Spirituality while shredding apart the ignorance and intolerance surrounding them.

Curious,

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05/01/2007 4:44 am  

Hello Becky. I'm a South Park fan and I don't believe there has been one on Thelema. I like how they take a fair approach to religions and put a funny spin on things. I imagine they would probably do Satanism before they would ever do Thelema. Thelema isn't nearly as well known and Satan will always get people watching.


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05/01/2007 5:06 am  

I think I have seen LeVey made fun of on the show, but I'll have to double check. Anyone aware of that episode?

Becky


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05/01/2007 8:09 am  

Now that I think about it there was a Satanic episode. It was a Satanic Christmas episode but it had nothing to do with Lavey or the COS or Satanism really. Just used Satanism for its shock value and wasn't making any sort of point.


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05/01/2007 9:50 am  

They would probably send up all those Chaooticons before Thelemites, there must be far more of them. Unless they had an interest in promoting Thelema (which would require the OTO to pay them $$$, most likely). Ie. it won't ever happen 🙁

But how do you see the sketch going? Lots of piss-poor, lazy, ineffectual book addicts compressing all of their life's blood through artificial capillaries in a habbit worse than smoking and even more dangerous? Not sure that it would be hillarious!


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05/01/2007 12:45 pm  

Thelema isnt as adept to parading itself in the popular culture as other orders are. So I dont think it would make for good satire.
There is a very respectful attitude to Crowley from artists, artist that like the challenge contradictions and hypocrisis of modern culture share and ifinity with Themelic ideals. Thats why you see Crowley on the cover of St Pepper and in the songs of Led Zepelin or quoted by Marilyn Manson.


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05/01/2007 5:21 pm  

Are you perchance referring to "Big Gay Al" ??

I see no reason whatsoever for Thelema to be lampooned on South Park. It's not exactly in the public eye. You know of any celebrity Thelemites?
Apart from the usual metalheads.


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05/01/2007 6:25 pm  

Thelema would lend itself more to a 'life of brian' skit.


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05/01/2007 7:21 pm  
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You know of any celebrity Thelemites? Apart from the usual metalheads.

That's a rather disappointing remark, to be honest.

I'm not at all sure that I ever had any personal ambitions in setting up LAShTAL.COM, but if there ever was a conscious objective, it was to demonstrate the enormous variety of ways in which Thelema - and Crowley - have influenced modern culture and the media. That objective has clearly not been met.

You're right, of course, that almost every up-and-coming rock 'star' seems to feel obliged to namecheck Crowley but that's as often as not just an oblique way of establishing a link with characters involved in the history of their own profession. Regardless of the degree of their "celebrity", singing about Crowley doesn't necessarily make them Thelemites. And not banging on about Thelemic archetypes doesn't necessarily mean they're not Thelemites, either...

But you really need to think more widely than music: this site is full of references to prominent individuals that might realistically be described as "celebrity Thelemites". Additionally, I could - but won't! - list the names of many "celebrities" that simply don't appear to consider their Thelemic interests to be of public interest or concern: for example, three British aristocrats, two Members of Parliament, three notable film makers, six musicians, two prominent US politicians, one prominent UK Church leader, four film actors, two models, three "artists", one internationally renowned chef and restaurant owner, a UK news reader, and so on. All household names within their countries or areas of influence...

The real point of this rambling little post is that Thelema has influenced some of the most influential individuals in many influential posts and roles, and a number of them are 'celebrities'.

Some of them are even members of this little site!

You're right about the pointlessness of the likes of South Park lampooning Thelema, though: it's not a joke that would be understood by much of the audience!

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05/01/2007 8:18 pm  

I respect every one elses' opinions, but for sake of a lack of argument I will only say that there could be a very entertaining episode made out of it, in my opinion, especially if Thelema were sort of mished in with the Wiccan faith. In both, you get the same sort of over-zealous, melodramatic, riff-raff followed by a 'Blaintology-like' self inflated ego. Hell, I'm guilty of it sometimes! But I think they've yet to 'lampoon' the Witches... Or have they? Every ones' ideas of Magick are introspectively different so what exactly would be converted to satire would be entirely up to the creators anyway, though for myself, I could think of some funny ordeals for the characters of South Park to get involved in, and some rather laughable portrayals of Crowley. I don't wish to insult, I really don't. I love the man, and he's done great things.

Becky


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05/01/2007 11:44 pm  
"lashtal" wrote:
"BlueKephra" wrote:
You know of any celebrity Thelemites? Apart from the usual metalheads.

You're right, of course, that almost every up-and-coming rock 'star' seems to feel obliged to namecheck Crowley but that's as often as not just an oblique way of establishing a link with characters involved in the history of their own profession. Regardless of the degree of their "celebrity", singing about Crowley doesn't necessarily make them Thelemites. And not banging on about Thelemic archetypes doesn't necessarily mean they're not Thelemites, either...

But you really need to think more widely than music: this site is full of references to prominent individuals that might realistically be described as "celebrity Thelemites". Additionally, I could - but won't! - list the names of many "celebrities" that simply don't appear to consider their Thelemic interests to be of public interest or concern: for example, three British aristocrats, two Members of Parliament, three notable film makers, six musicians, two prominent US politicians, one prominent UK Church leader, four film actors, two models, three "artists", one internationally renowned chef and restaurant owner, a UK news reader, and so on. All household names within their countries or areas of influence...

The real point of this rambling little post is that Thelema has influenced some of the most influential individuals in many influential posts and roles, and a number of them are 'celebrities'.

Some of them are even members of this little site!

You're right about the pointlessness of the likes of South Park lampooning Thelema, though: it's not a joke that would be understood by much of the audience!

The last part of your post was of course my point. How many of the people you mentioned actually talk about Thelema in public? The reason that Scientology is lampooned on the likes of SouthPark is because of Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Kirsty Allie etc.
I don't mind you being disappointed in my remark, I'm no Thelemite, but I stand by my question and remark.


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06/01/2007 12:11 am  

This makes me wonder how many Thelemites there actually are, again. Is there any way we could get an approximate guess that's close to accurate? Sorry to digress.

Becky


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06/01/2007 10:26 am  
"Vilaven" wrote:
I just wondered if any one has seen a South Park episode spoofing Thelema? I've seen the Scientology one, the L.D.S. (Mormon) one, tons of Christianity spoofs, the Mel Gibson included, etc. But I've wondered if there had been one on Crowley. If there isn't, I'll just say I'd love to see it. There are a rediculous amount of Thelemites who take things the wrong way, and it would be entertaining to see Matt Stone and Trey Parker rip that apart. They do such a good job of preserving the message of the Religion or Spirituality while shredding apart the ignorance and intolerance surrounding them.

Trey and Matt haven't done one on Thelema yet.

There have been several where Satan is a main character, including his hot / steamy homosexual relationship w/ Saddam Hussein. Jesus has his own talk-show on T.V. (Jesus n' Pals). There have been, as others have said, spoofs on Scientology, Mormons, Psychics, etc., references to 'cults' that turned out to not be cults (One of the meteor shower episodes). There are some goth kids in a few episodes (Stan even joins them for a bit) but they aren't given any religious affiliation...

Somehow I believe the most we could hope for would be an Al picture on someones' wall during a Halloween episode or something, but with these guys, you just never know. I figured eventually they would run out of material, but it seems like every time you turn around, some celebrity is doing something incredibly stupid (and somehow newsworthy), just fueling the show with more ammunition.


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06/01/2007 10:51 am  

Back tracking a little here but... I really could see southpark using Crowley's Face on something. You know, anything is up for satire and personality cults are no exeption. Iv got to be honest and say I sometimes titter when people sign emails to me with 'do what tho wilt'. Ok, do what thou wilt, make up your own signature!
But Iv come to see it a mutal recognition of a cultural icon, like a wink in the eye of a kindred soul.


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08/11/2011 2:11 am  

On the most recent South Park episode ('1%', aired November 2, 2011) Cartman's plush toy Clyde Frog is shown crucified to a tree.

Here's a link to the clip:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/401177/they-took-clyde-frog

Coincidence? Maybe, but the story of Crowley and the Frog gets a lot of press, so maybe not.


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08/11/2011 6:29 am  

recently seen an episode where cartman summons cthulu with the goal of ridding the earth of hippies!!they went to burning man festival and then whole foods=( 2 places i love!and im no damm hippy


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08/11/2011 1:27 pm  
"lashtal" wrote:
"BlueKephra" wrote:
one internationally renowned chef and restaurant owner!

Gordon Ramsey is a Thelemite?!

Actually, now that I think about it, that would make a lot of sense....

In any case, South Park has never done and will never likely do an episode on Thelema. They like to make fun of religions that people have actually heard of, usually.

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08/11/2011 1:33 pm  

Is there a South Park episode on South Park?


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08/11/2011 4:45 pm  
"BlueKephra" wrote:
You know of any celebrity Thelemites?
Apart from the usual metalheads.

Not many that come forward, but Joaquin R. Phoenix apparently is, and there's that porn actress.


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08/11/2011 6:06 pm  
"stanforda" wrote:
[...] that porn actress.

Picture? ... or it is not true.


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08/11/2011 6:15 pm  

True. Violet Blue.


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08/11/2011 6:19 pm  
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"stanforda" wrote:
[...] that porn actress.

Picture? ... or it is not true.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Violet_Blue_1.jp g">

She does some pretty rough stuff.


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08/11/2011 7:00 pm  

Ok, after a little online-research (purely for altruistic typhonic research reasons of course, hehe) I'm convinced about the porn aspect. But why 'thelemic'?
Just hope, I don't have to reincarnate as 'thelemic' porn star.


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11/11/2011 12:54 pm  
"moyal" wrote:
Is there a South Park episode on South Park?

Found it myself in Japanese. 😀


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI5Rav4P4RY&feature=relate d"> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI5Rav4P4RY&feature=related


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11/11/2011 11:35 pm  
"stanforda" wrote:
"BlueKephra" wrote:
You know of any celebrity Thelemites?
Apart from the usual metalheads.

Not many that come forward, but Joaquin R. Phoenix apparently is, and there's that porn actress.

Andrew W.K. as well which I am surprised no one mentioned. There are a few other surprising rock stars but I won't name names, though I think everyone knows Darryl Hall is... The lead singer of the Cult, Ian Astbury. Did I get that right? I am surprised by the Senators, not the British Aristocracy though LOL. Grant Morrison, not quite the household name... yet, but getting close has talked at length about Crowley and Thelema and described his book Marvel Boy as an ode to the Crowned and Conquering Child.


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12/11/2011 5:46 am  

Aside from some celeb websites, which are about as reliable as our local news (you know, if it's in print/on the web then it must be true kind of bullshit), what "evidence" does one have that Joaquin Phoenix is a thelemite? I'm certainly not saying he's not, how would I know? But it'd be interesting. Aside from some links to sites that just say he is, sans confirmation from JP himself, anyone have a link where he discusses his "religion" or spiritual slant?
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12/11/2011 5:55 am  

Andrew W.K.'s not a Thelemite.

He's a VAGABOND. 😉

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAZ_ndQeHPE


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12/11/2011 6:07 am  

LOL. And by Vagabond he means Beast. And by pulling a 100 dollar bill out of his mouth he means The Book of the Law...gottcha. Thanks for that Kyle. 😉


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12/11/2011 5:47 pm  

too funny Kyle, for some sick reason I like his music, must be my internal frat boy.


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12/11/2011 8:22 pm  

93 Ya'll,
I think Trey and Matt could come up with a good one that has references to Thelema, and poke a little fun at the OTO. It would have to be veiled, but it's not like they haven't worked with subtleties like that before. They could have the boys go to a magick show, and they would be real disappointed and confused. "That was the worst magic show I've ever been to; they can't even spell it right". They could bring in references to harry potter and magic the gathering. I think the overall point of the episode would be how silly it is when people try to impose their own rationales as dogma on the invisible (or visible) world. I don't know if they have really delved that much into the occult in their show, but there is definitely and inner esoteric point to many of there episodes that either people get or they don't depending on where they are coming from.

As far as celebrities go I am wary of anyone that "claims" Thelema. It's an invisible college. No real Rosicrucian would openly admit to being one. Even if that is your will to let people know, I feel it is a really personal thing considering how greater society views us and what they think we do. If someone drops a subtle hint that they are involved in the hidden I feel it is rude to try and out them as an occultist. Furthermore occultists who can't phrase the mystical in the mundane come off as being a little socially inept to me. So when I hear someone or see someone name/image check Crowley/Thelema I have to wonder how superficial their knowledge is.

Back to my original point, Trey and Matt are bright young lads. I'm sure they could whip something good up for us, and I hope you two do.
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