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alysa
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Having just learned that our webmaster enjoys again very much the music of Current93 ( of which I know a little but not a lot) I have a question, I wish to know what other Thelema-related vocal artists might be there of recommendation and also what genres of music you might feel most appropiate to spread the Thelemic message (provided that message must be spread). So, very eager to learn your most interesting answers. . .


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Azidonis
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93,

"alysa" wrote:
Having just learned that our webmaster enjoys again very much the music of Current93 ( of which I know a little but not a lot) I have a question, I wish to know what other Thelema-related vocal artists might be there of recommendation and also what genres of music you might feel most appropiate to spread the Thelemic message (provided that message must be spread). So, very eager to learn your most interesting answers. . .

A few off the top of my head...

A member of the band Tool is noted to be a Thelemite.
There was a metal band Therion that I used to think had Thelemic undertones... or overtones.
And the band 311, far as I know, were/are Thelemites.

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David Tibet is a bit of an enigma to me. He spent the 90's distancing himself from Thelema, is a self-proclaimed gnostic/docetic Christian, but also sits on an advisory board of the OTO?


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"thamiel" wrote:
David Tibet is a bit of an enigma to me. He spent the 90's distancing himself from Thelema, is a self-proclaimed gnostic/docetic Christian, but also sits on an advisory board of the OTO?

Achad was christian too for a while, maybe he is docetically scouting behind enemy lines, though I highly doubt it. πŸ˜‰


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alysa
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Wolf354 wrote: "Alysa have you missed this thread", no Wolf, I don't think I have missed that thread my mayor question was actually, what genre of music do you see as most appropiate to spread the Thelemic message, do you think it's just normal everyday Pop Music that you can hear on the radio, day by day, do you think different genres of Hard Rock most appropiate (must admit I'm not a connaiseuse of these genres) do you think different genres of Classical Music most appropiate, Reggea or Country and Western perhaps. . .


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93 alysa,

I think that it would be impossible to limit it to any one genre. Thelemites are an extremely diverse bunch. Personally I think it ultimately boils down to what any musician or group of musicians who are interested in incorporating Thelemic concepts into their music choose to write. The minute an artist tries to conform their craft to a preconceived notion of what genre they are "trying" to produce, it can begin to become less about their own creative process and more about an effort to target a specific audience. This inevitably has a negative effect on the final product. It should be done purely from inspiration IMO.

I really feel like it should be a diversity of styles anyway if the object is for the music to be an effective means of spreading the Thelemic Current. The Musick I do is fairly diverse, but it's not because I choose to make it that way. I only write when I am inspired to do so, and I just let that inspiration develop into whatever comes out. I never try to force it to happen. But I suppose the process is different for every musician.

Over time, as more people become aware of the existence of Thelema, and by extension, more people embrace the philosophy, there will be an ever-increasing range of Thelemic music out there.

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"thamiel" wrote:
David Tibet is a bit of an enigma to me. He spent the 90's distancing himself from Thelema, is a self-proclaimed gnostic/docetic Christian, but also sits on an advisory board of the OTO?

I have no issue with his Gnostic Christianity but Tibet as an artist has always struck me as flighty and mercurial. I mean it was just 2004 when he was disowning his own (stage) name.

All through he 90s he was very disdainful of Crowley or at least Crowley's followers. I venture I can understand the latter...

People get older, their opinions change and become more nuanced. In many cases their art becomes more subtle and hopefully more interesting.
I do try not to pay too much attention to esoteric pop stars.

S

BTW I do like current 93 - grew up on them actually... I was 15 when I first heard Dogs Blood Rising on record and it did alter the course of my life. I already read Crowley but I think I learned more by chasing down references in the liner notes to Mishima, Genet, Lautremont, etc. It was like someone opened a whole box of Decadents, Existentialists, traditionalists, and Surrealists and kicked me in headfirst... good times.


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I only pay attention to Tibet's antics in so much as they amuse me... mildly. Huge fan of his music, though.

I've met him a few times, very nice guy.

Anyway, the genre that most exemplifies Thelema... I can only think of specific bands within genres, not the genres themselves, but a lot came out of Industrial, Post-Industrial in the late 70s, early 80s. I think it had more to do with the fact that the vast majority of these groups were British and ol' Crow was Britain's boogey man than it did with their beliefs. A lot of Industrial groups used Thelemic imagery and themes in their lyrics but weren't Thelemites. Take Lustmord for example: he's sampled Crowley and borrowed a lot from Kenneth Grant's books but in interviews he claims he's a hardcore Atheist.


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For the absolute madness, apparent pandemonium and camp joy - give Valentin Dubovskoy's 'Hymn to Pan' a few listens oin youtube. The rhytmic 'Pan, Pan I O Pan, I O, I O Pan, Pan' gets right into your nut. I'll post a link but not sure if this is against site guidlines. If it is I am sorry in advance. Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYY0sIYsXTI
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As some have said above, every genre should be ok to promote Thelema.
I personally do not like some genres, so Thelemic hip hop would definitely not appeal to me, and being a "fringe" philosophy, it seems to attract only represetatives of certain "fringe" genres such as neofolk, industrial, black or death metal and so on.
In the distant future, I am sure, there will be thelemic pop compilations, but I'm not looking forward to that too much 8)
I'm currently working on my new album with my band which will be a concept album based on AC's bio and thelema, but I doubt we will digress from our psyfolk-neofolk attitude.


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alysa
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Which band are you in?


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einDoppelganger
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"509" wrote:
...and ol' Crow was Britain's boogey man than it did with their beliefs.

How about the old Current 93 icon of the papal crucifix with the unicursal hexagram superimposed on top.. as the kids say - WTF?

Oh hell its awesome music anyway. Personally, I don't feel like I need my music to reaffirm my thoughts/philosophy/beliefs back to me. I find that makes a rather stale life.

S


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Most modern music lyrics can be said to have a Thelemic undercurrent, as this delightful example of nutty Christian paranoia (a warning of the perils of the 'Satanic' catchphrase "Do what thou wilt") explains:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F83XhHZPHnc&feature=channel


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There's The Klaxons 'Magick Without Tears', of course. Love the pop manifestations of the thelemic current. All the the dirge-like stuff can be a bit cod-goth. What happened to all the leaping laughter?
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FraterFR: I agree - its nice to have a more celebratory mood in the songs!

Also...

Jet Black Berries "Love Under Will"
Possibly the first Thelemic song I encountered - didn't make the connection until years after first hearing it on the Return of the Living Dead soundtrack πŸ™‚


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"Nomad" wrote:
this delightful example of nutty Christian paranoia

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I sometimes find myself envious of nutty Christian paranoids. They always seem to get so much more mileage out of everyone else's worldviews than do those who live in them.

Is it a diabolical form of 'transcendental taxation' - or an unwitting gift in disguise?


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"alysa" wrote:
Which band are you in?

A neofolk ensemble called The Green Man
http://www.myspace.com/thegreenma n"> http://www.myspace.com/thegreenman

Check out the tune called Liber Al to see what direction we're heading towards.


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93!

I just recently understood the full implications of
establishing a connection where divinity descends.

Now I must invoke, invoke and invoke to make it so that
the TV answers my questions and carry out Therions work
onto the world.

Not sure if it is Thelemic but "Fly on the wings of Love"
by the Olsen Brothers from Denmark has some esoteric
signs in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEwlSyd7DH4

It is also an example of how to successfully use sounds
to transform consciousness.

93/93
Nevyn93


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ABSU (and Proscriptor) from Texas.


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