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 Anonymous
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07/04/2009 4:05 pm  

Was the Liber Al the totality of Aiwass' Revelation to Aleister Crowley, or were there other works revealed by Aiwass to Crowley? The Liber Al is not much to memorize, Liber Al 3:39-40, tells us,

"Al this and a book to say how thou didst come hither and a reproduction of the ink and paper for ever--for in it is the word secret and NOT ONLY IN THE ENGLISH--and thy comment upon this: the Book of the Law shall be printed beautifully in red ink and black upon beautiful paper made by hand; and to each man and woman that thou meetest, were it but to dine or drink at them, it is the Law to give. That they shall chance to abide in this bliss or no, it is no odds. Do this quickly! (veser 40) But the work of the comment? That is easy; and Hadit burning in thy heart shall make swift and secure thy pen."

"NOT ONLY IN THE ENGLISH", does this mean translations into other languages? In other languages might other understandings of the Liber Al be developed which are not necessarily apparet in English? Most certainly, in Hebrew/Aramaic/Arabic/Kemet atleast, there are some rather remarkable implications in the peculiar wording of certain passages. So, I ask again, are there works, other than Liber Al, which were communicated to Crowley by Aiwass? Joe


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07/04/2009 9:13 pm  

Given the context, "not only in the English" seems to mean that there are secrets to be found in the way the words are written on the pages above and beyond the English meaning of the words -- hence the need for a reproduction.

Of course, different translations are going to bring out (best case scenario) or introduce (worst case) nuances that aren't in the English. For that matter, when I read the book in English and you read the book in English, our brains undoubtedly "translate" it differently.


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faustian
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08/04/2009 3:08 am  

Liber 49 - Jack Parsons


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IAO131
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08/04/2009 5:59 am  
"Belenos1" wrote:
Was the Liber Al the totality of Aiwass' Revelation to Aleister Crowley, or were there other works revealed by Aiwass to Crowley? The Liber Al is not much to memorize, Liber Al 3:39-40, tells us,

"Al this and a book to say how thou didst come hither and a reproduction of the ink and paper for ever--for in it is the word secret and NOT ONLY IN THE ENGLISH--and thy comment upon this: the Book of the Law shall be printed beautifully in red ink and black upon beautiful paper made by hand; and to each man and woman that thou meetest, were it but to dine or drink at them, it is the Law to give. That they shall chance to abide in this bliss or no, it is no odds. Do this quickly! (veser 40) But the work of the comment? That is easy; and Hadit burning in thy heart shall make swift and secure thy pen."

"NOT ONLY IN THE ENGLISH", does this mean translations into other languages? In other languages might other understandings of the Liber Al be developed which are not necessarily apparet in English? Most certainly, in Hebrew/Aramaic/Arabic/Kemet atleast, there are some rather remarkable implications in the peculiar wording of certain passages. So, I ask again, are there works, other than Liber Al, which were communicated to Crowley by Aiwass? Joe

In Liber Causae (and in his system of Class A, B, etc.) Crowley puts Liber LXV, VII, etc. in the same class as Liber Legis/Liber AL.

One would think that the line refers to translating Liber AL into other languages. If you have any experience with a language other than English, try translating a line into that language - the un-grammatical nature makes it near impossible to capture the same spirit. THat being said, Crowley often looked for Hebrew and especially Greek correspondences to words in Liber AL (for example, To Me is TO MH = "Nothing" = 418).

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 Anonymous
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08/04/2009 7:05 am  

'Holy Books of Thelema are' are dictated by Aiwass to Crowley.


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08/04/2009 2:11 pm  
"APOSTATES" wrote:
'Holy Books of Thelema are' are dictated by Aiwass to Crowley.

No, Liber L/Liber Al Vel Legis is the only Holy Book that Aleister Crowley claimed to have had no part in the authorship of.

C'mon! That's like Thelema 101!!


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IAO131
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08/04/2009 6:04 pm  
"Walterfive" wrote:
"APOSTATES" wrote:
'Holy Books of Thelema are' are dictated by Aiwass to Crowley.

No, Liber L/Liber Al Vel Legis is the only Holy Book that Aleister Crowley claimed to have had no part in the authorship of.

C'mon! That's like Thelema 101!!

93,

Indeed but the OP asked about the revelations of Aiwass. I would consider the Class A texts other than Liber AL to be revelations of Aiwass although 'inspired' and not 'received'/'dictated'.

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09/04/2009 1:25 am  

That's fine IAI131, but I think Walterfive was responding to APOSTATES' notion that Holy Book of Thelema were dictated by Aiwass to Crowley. His own words on the subject are: "They [the Holy Books] were not taken from dictation like The Book of the Law nor were they my own composition" (The Holy Books of Thelema, ed. Hymenaeus Alpha, pp.xvii-xviii).


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09/04/2009 1:28 am  

I'm sorry for misspelling: IAO131 was meant.


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09/04/2009 4:10 pm  
"Iskandar" wrote:
That's fine IAI131, but I think Walterfive was responding to APOSTATES' notion that Holy Book of Thelema were dictated by Aiwass to Crowley. His own words on the subject are: "They [the Holy Books] were not taken from dictation like The Book of the Law nor were they my own composition" (The Holy Books of Thelema, ed. Hymenaeus Alpha, pp.xvii-xviii).

Correct, Iskander. Crowley writes in Confessions: "The spirit came upon me and I wrote a number of books in a way which I hardly know how to describe. They were not taken from dictation like The Book of the Law nor were they my own composition. I cannot even call them automatic writing. I can only say that I was not wholly conscious at the time of what I was writing...I cannot doubt that these books are the work of an intelligence independent of my own."


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