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I as a real hippy

Surely this is a new identity for you, david? i know you have been a Leary fan for some time, and are official forum Defender Of The Hippies, but i don't think you've ever called yourself a hippie before.

Have you now grown long hair and a beard, and stopped bathing? Are you wearing "love beads", and sandals right now? Have you begun to partake of the Devil's Weed?


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Surely this is a new identity for you, david? i know you have been a Leary fan for some time, and are official forum Defender Of The Hippies, but i don't think you've ever called yourself a hippie before.

Have you now grown long hair and a beard, and stopped bathing? Are you wearing "love beads", and sandals right now? Have you begun to partake of the Devil's Weed?

I use the term 'hippy' as a scientific term of classification in terms of Neurosomatic Circuit activation.  Some of us don't need weed etc.    Anyone who checks out AC's exercises for themselves is 'a hippy' and I thought Gerry Garcia was in the house when I first saw your new new purple forum avatar.   

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Whew, misspelling Jerry's name reassures us! I am glad to learn your hippieness is of the strictly metaphorical variety, and that you have not literally become what the young punk kids call a "wook" (short for "wookie").

My moire pattern avatar is arguably hippie-ish, but then i am a great big hippie these days. Don't tell anyone; it's a secret.


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Posted by: @dom

I as a real hippy

What? If you are not a jump-claimer, you must provide evidence (prroof) of your claim to this exhalted grade. Tyler! Tyler! Pants of Fire! Get the Document Examiner!

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Anyway I think it's time to move to circuit 2 but then again you already instigated that with your gotcha attempt. 

Actually, I initiated it a week ago, but it seems there was more to go in Surviving.

I'm not sure that I attempted a gotcha, but if you caught some silly sarcasm, I am always ready to plead no lo contendre.

I see there are posts after this, on a whole new page. I will meet you there for Circuit 2. We may have to Waite for some Basic Malkuth loose ends to clear before the Circuit can be opened. To kick it off, I maintain that Circuit 2 is Yesod. Do you agree, or do we start the fight?

If you agree, then we're off to a perfectly neutral state, just like in chess and the martial arts.

 


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I use the term 'hippy' as a scient

Oh, My Lordy Be?! That really long and serious definition was endlessly infinite.

Let it be known that the classical, stereotypical hippy was operating on Circuit Level 5. He or she was not inquiring, they were there. They were practicing the the lesser form of wu-wei. They were in the groove, but there was just one thing in the way of the greater wu-wei of Circuit 8: Themselves.

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your hippieness is of the strictly metaphorical variety

Please do not disregard the dimensional shift. We have officially entered the Second Territorial NeuroCircuit Arena. It is located at address: Yesod.

This is a Dominant/Submissive Circuit. Dominant is QBL'd as Dom. But he's a hippy. So the confusion begins.

Note: This is not a game. This can get very messy. Aleister warned us about the visions that can manifest at this (or any) level - they may or may not be real. I don't mean you will have visions on your screen, or even in your mind (unless you are a pot-smoking hippy), but all activity on the astral-emotional level has a vision generated by the emotion. In this case it's the emotional feeling of where you are in the available pecking order.

Full-grade Dominant is totally self-reliant.

Low grade Submissive is completely reliant on others for all things.

Ignant is professionally-classified by me as Dominant. He is completely self-reliant on all relevant planes. Fucking around with him down here at the emotional-astral level of Yesod will be interesting. I will watch.

I may be considered Dominant, but in reality, on the physical plane, in my mainstream Survival Circuit (professional career), I was always #2. Well, it's my ray, my birthday, and the position of my heart chakra (according to Bong Dal Kim, OMD, President of Emperor's College of Traditional Oriental Medicine, my Boss).

This is like being an Executive Officer in the Army, or a CEO in a corpus. The Commander says "Do this." The Exec sees that it gets done.  The Board says, "Meet these goals." The CEO does that, or he/she gets fired. So I'm SMD (semi modified dominant). That is my confession. Eat it and Live or Die.

 

 

 


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Hormakhet was trying to explain that Ignant thinks he's the Alpha Baboon here squawking, screeching and beating his devolved chest.  This was a circuit 2 perception.  There's always a bigger mightier baboon around depending on the circumstances or the situations we find ourselves in.  It isn't necessarily about capacity for a physical beat down.

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Ignant thinks he's the Alpha Baboon here squawking, screeching and beating his devolved chest.

My self-image is more as the Purple-Assed Mandrill of lashtal than as Alpha Baboon; mandrills are no longer classified with the baboons FYI.

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WTF are you on about here? As if you, the flower-child, have always demurely shied away from debate? Please.

Any chest-beating i have recently done here has been directed not at any other poster, but at the Nazis who claim they are a threat to me and my family, though i am still waiting.


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Circuit 2 wouldve developed when those Circuit 1 fish-things started to bob their heads above the waters.  They were fleeing mightier fish predators.  

This is significant because circuit 2 issues involve the respiratory system! See Crowley's poem about there is no better purgative than pranayama, repeat.  

 

 

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I don't know what I yam. I just know that I yam. 

Yam is a bija, or seed, mantra associated with the anahata (heart) chakra. Bija mantras are one-syllable sounds and, in traditional Hatha yoga, some are associated with the chakras, or centers of concentrated energy that are located in the body along the spinal column. These bija mantras are believed to vibrate with the energy of their specific chakras.


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I don't know what I yam. I just know that I yam. 

Yam is a bija, or seed, mantra associated with the anahata (heart) chakra. Bija mantras are one-syllable sounds and, in traditional Hatha yoga, some are associated with the chakras, or centers of concentrated energy that are located in the body along the spinal column. These bija mantras are believed to vibrate with the energy of their specific chakras.

Thanks but ....you just felt like taking things on a tangent there?  Am I missing the relevance of your point?  What about the thread which is about the circuits?

 

Work with me here.

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Tangential Tantra have ways of opening up new vistas.

 

That said, the anahata or heart chakra of whose root mantra is YAM, corresponds to the sphere of Tiphareth which links to love, the causal body, or the 7th circuit. 

 

Is that better, sir?

 

@Shiva

 

You will notice on the first page Shiva linked the 7th circuit with Hod, so it's not totally set in stone is it? Ie the chakras dont totally line up perfectly with the circuit system.

I feel the chakras line up more accurately with the sephiroth. 

 

that said, you can see on the tree that Hod is linked to Tiphareth via THE DEVIL after all. 

 

Wellbreadingly yours in Hod/QBL land,

 

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never leave your significant other alone with a drummer.

Wise words. muhahaha.


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Chris we were discussing the 2nd circuit.  Maybe do a recap my son. 

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@don
Chris is talkin bout a bangin circuit trip;
can't you see ?
stop getting side tracked.


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The fish-things became land lubbers and with that came a consciousness on land of place or position in some sort of pack,  It kicks in neurologically when a child learns to defecate and this is Freud's anal phase.  This is when a small child will became an ass-hole with family members asserting it's perceived dominance and getting it's ass kicked accordingly.  It is concerned with a simple up or down logic.   We may suck- up to others or look down on others as adults.   It's that part of the brain which reacts with pack-status cues.   If this is Yesod then the respiratory system plays a major part.  A madman has more breaths per minute than an adjusted man.   The lungs are used to try to crush denied emotions on a hidden level. 

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Hormakhet was trying to explain that Ignant thinks he's the Alpha Baboon here squawking, screeching and beating his devolved chest.

Yes, he conjugated with Xon in the Attack on The Olde Farts, but then he quickly faded into the background as the animated gifs assaulted the many forum halls..

Posted by: @dom

Work with me here.

On the 2nd circuit? Fuck you!  Who put you in charge?

(This is not a rude, crude response. It is a demonstration of the Territorial Circuit #2)

 

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That said, the anahata or heart chakra of whose root mantra is YAM, corresponds to the sphere of Tiphareth which links to love, the causal body, or the 7th circuit. 

Is that better, sir?

I never heard of this YAMish  mantrum, but if it's pronounced, "I Am," it will do. Yes to the causal body, but ir's the 5th circuit, which is way ahead of us.

Right now we're down at the Hara, the Sacral plexus. Chakra #2 (up), #6 (down). This is the Source of Ki/Chi in the body. Presently, we're tying to see who's in charge down here in this abdominal cavity.

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Shiva linked the 7th circuit with Hod

If I did, it was one of my rare, but plentiful errors. Take your 7th to Chesed where it belongs.

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you can see on the tree that Hod is linked to Tiphareth via THE DEVIL after all. 

Yeah. Some people see this and think they are Satan. The unity perceived at Tiphareth splits into duality (yes,no. Either, or. This, that) so the Limbic Hod mind can differentiate things.

Moving up from Hod to Tiph, the task is To Resolve the Duality. Most folks are too scared of the Devil to even consider such a heretical move.

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Chris we were discussing the 2nd circuit.  Maybe do a recap my son. 

Well, so far, recently, we've been to Anahata, Tiph, Hod, Chesed, the 7th Circuit. The initial focus on Who's in Charge has, um, dispersed.

Focal Point: Yesod (Emotions, not Thinking), 2nd Circuit:
Send your Tribute to Me!

 

 

 


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@shiva 

 

Tribute yes.   It's amazing how although we hand out Phds to men/women and/or put them in charge of vast financial empires they are basically apes in suits with the Neurosomatic circuit dormant behind the baboon.  The same animal 'tail between the legs' dom-sub or hyena pack-bondign cliques we see in the animal kingdom goes on in board rooms etc.    

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the Neurosomatic circuit dormant behind the baboon

Yes, the personal intrigue involved in office hierarchies, politics, the army, and hermetic organizations everywhere involves endless stories from any aspect of civilization. Although we must give powerful credence to the next two circuits, down here on the ground, the most damage is generated from the territorial circuit.This is still in the reptilian brain, in all of us.

Lizards have a strong first circuit, but they also have territories, maybe harems, to defend. Any of us may have homes and families to defend. If some stupid person breaks into our circle, we drop back into the 1st circuit. If our 2nd circuit is weak (submissive), we may not get the chance to drop into the 1st, because it's not the "normal" or "natural" reaction of the wimpy 2nd circuit.

Such people may beg for their lives, but to fight for their life is not the first option.

That's my take on it on the basic level. Now, I wonder about the more subtle personality traits on Circus #2.

As to your observation of the "apes," yes, the great majority of humanity is wrapped in the bundle of four circuits, the lesser mysteries they are. They may smoke some pot or something stronger, and they can get in the groove of the 5th, but they do not catch an imprint, so they were just "getting high." They may go to some religious building, but they are not interested in doing the work.

So. 2nd circuit. I am in charge here. Do you understand that? Say, "Yes, sir!" The Army is a huge 2nd circuit civilization unto itself.

 


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The system, that's another story.

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The first creatures who developed lungs as oppose to just gills would've presumably been functioning from circuit-one only for centuries even though they were exploring dry land.  The pack hierarchy associated with circuit 2 is seen in birds, mammals and canine and would've been a later development of course.  

 

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Weed smokers dont imprint? How do you mean?

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He means: Most people, smoking reefer, may have some pleasant effects, but the experience(s) will not open up, or cause them to function in, the 5th circuit, just as most LSD users will just see lights and colors and "trails" etc. but may not get the Full Program (although almost anyone will with a sufficient dose of LSD).


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He means: Most people, smoking reefer, may have some pleasant effects, but the experience(s) will not open up, or cause them to function in, the 5th circuit, just as most LSD users will just see lights and colors and "trails" etc. but may not get the Full Program (although almost anyone will with a sufficient dose of LSD).

But they are "functioning in the 5th" they just put the weed's transmitter chemicals in their bloodstream.

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Yes, and then it wears off, and they are back to the rat-race of normals. Nothing has changed.


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Yes, and then it wears off, and they are back to the rat-race of normals. Nothing has changed.

The 'rat race's of normals?  They are still  cogs in the economy yes, noone can get out of that even if you went to live in some jungle with a pointed stick looking for wild boars to kill and roast.  You mean their perceptions don't change after the high? 

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I mean, they return to living their lives on Cs 1-4. So yes, their perceptions, and their actions, don't change.

They were "high", and then they're not.


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I mean, they return to living their lives on Cs 1-4. So yes, their perceptions, and their actions, don't change.

They were "high", and then they're not.

Ah yes that probably describes most of the reprobates you used to sell to... or maybe not.

 Me for example, I can turn circuit 5 on without weed.  It's hard work mind and my judgement doesn't get impaired and I'm focused.

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eed smokers dont imprint? How do you mean?

The pot, grass, pranayama, and all those other things can put a person on the 5th circuit. But to "take an imprint" on that circuit (or higher) requires a decisive "imprint." In our Thelemic terms, that imprint would be a anchor on the 5th circuit. The Adept, who has taken the imprint, can get into that state of harmony any time (more or less).

The pot smokers who "get high" but have taken no imprint, will need to smoke pot again to get into the 5th. The Adept has an anchor up there, and little or no pot is required.

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He means: Most people, smoking reefer, may have some pleasant effects, but the experience(s) will not open up, or cause them to function in, the 5th circui

Right. You understood my comment without hesitation. I hereby accuse you of having been imprinted on the 5th . Acting as my attorney, you have explained the theorem in slighly different words. I wonder if anyone will understand?

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But they are "functioning in the 5th"

But it

 

. It is not permanent. With an imprint passport, one will "get the full program" and talk with the Angel. That is phase 2 of the 5=6 drama. Pot smokers who do no work will not be getting into a dialog with any Angels.

Our historical scrap pile includes many Probationers, or Neos, or Zelators who caught a glimpse of Binah in a brief satori ... and the declared themselves Magisters of the Templi. They were, of course, insane. We might cut Achad some slack, but Parsons, Motta, McM, and Los seem to have gotten something mixed up or crosswired.

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Yes, and then it wears off

Where have I heard that before?

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Me for example, I can turn circuit 5 on without weed.  It's hard work mind and my judgement doesn't get impaired and I'm focused.

Please report to the dojo as soon as possible for examination in your outrageous claim that is virtually never reflected in your posts.

Oh, wait!  Maybe you don't activate the 5th when you post. We need top see the 5th activated in daily life, not in some rigid trance.

We can settle this, and get back to the 2nd pylon circuit dominion, if you will simply describe the imprint, or imprinting process, that you can get into.

 

 


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to the 2nd pylon circuit dominion, if you will simply describe the imprint, or imprinting process, that you can get into.

Not reflected in my posts?   How so?

 

Maybe I'm missing the semantics here, as I understand it 'imprinting' is an external conditioning.   if the daily reptile primate status-cues are deactivated then this is Circuit 5 functioning.       

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.... however 'imprinting' is a term used to convey a form of anchoring I see.  

 

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Maybe I'm missing the semantics here, as I understand it 'imprinting' is an external conditioning.

Guess what? The 5th circuit is extraterrestrial and has no relation to external Earth life. The imprint at #5 may actually seem to be externally applied, but it's an inner thing. The first 4 circuits are, as you say, external interactions (at an early age) during a time of "imprint vulnerability." They (the imprints) somehow set a rigid core to Survival, Territory, Data Processing, and Cultural Affairs. Once set in place, they are permanent. This is "you" and nothing can change it (in the lower realms).

The 5th can temporarily override the lower 4, and the 6th (6=5) can make changes in any lesser circuit. As to the #2 (not necessarily a bowel function), that imprint causes one to be dominant or submissive, with varying shades of in-between.

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 if the daily reptile primate status-cues are deactivated then this is Circuit 5 functioning.

Oh crap, I really don't have time for this right now. Circuit 2 is reptilian. Circuits 3 & 4 are quite human and are "above" the reptilian brain. They are the Limbic brain. Circuit 2 cannot be "deactivated." It can be temporarily overridden by #5, and changed with #6. What is this "deactivating" thing? I will admit we should aim to "control" any circuit that provides problems, but there is no "OFF" switch ... except when entering #8.

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.... however 'imprinting' is a term used to convey a form of anchoring I see.  

Yes. A hard core of (Spanish) preferences is created, and all activities on that circuit (any circuit) will ultimately be judged by that hard core.

 

 


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Posted by: @dom

 if the daily reptile primate status-cues are deactivated then this is Circuit 5 functioning.

Oh crap, I really don't have time for this right now. Circuit 2 is reptilian. Circuits 3 & 4 are quite human and are "above" the reptilian brain. They are the Limbic brain. Circuit 2 cannot be "deactivated." It can be temporarily overridden by #5, and changed with #6. What is this "deactivating" thing? I will admit we should aim to "control" any circuit that provides problems, but there is no "OFF" switch ... except when entering #8. 

Maybe read what was written.   The lower circuit's response to cues can be 'deactivated' not the circuits as you thought you read.  Circuit 5 is about feedback yes feedback from our body (mainly the daily grief (loss) stuck in there and jealousies ad anger and so on).

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The lower circuit's response to cues can be 'deactivated' not the circuits

Yes, I re-read the pertinents and I see the difference in my misguided aprehension from what was written. I started by saying, "Oh crap, Ireally don't have time for this right now," which is true.

This discussion of the circuits has taken place here a couple times before. Now that we're getting into them in detail, and in proper order <haha>, the process is more like writing a book. And I'm in The Back Yard of The Karnak Temple right now, in the real book, and the 6th circuit has just been entertained. I am now moving toward the rubble pile way in back, but in front of the mysterious back gate. The rubble pile is The End. The reader will either die or he/she will engage the 7th ... and prepare for the 8th.

What with The Establishment and its agents demanding all sorts of year-end forms, plus taxes, and The Environment in need of quick re-arrangement (mostly outside with the temps dropping fast), I am like an air-traffic-controller who's planes are confused and in danger of crashing, I will need to activate my 2nd submissive circuit and bail out for now. I'm probably good for short (2 paragraph) responses, but I need to get off the long-winded lecture circuit.

The book is now approaching The End (think Atu XIII). It needs to get published, because it will solve all the present global problems, or at least some of them, for a few people, maybe only one.

Anyway, feel free to dwell here in the 2nd circuit astral hell, or even go on to the 3rd, if anyone will take that ride. I'm in for a couple paragraphs for the duration. You see, when the unbelievably large pile of paperwork starts to affect me, I open the book and continue writing. Then, when I have to go look for pictures on the Wild world web, I naturally stop in here. The book work and LAShTAL are actually relaxing, but then the forms start speaking. "Do me. Do me," they cry.


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Maybe I'm wrong at the moment and I'm.not functioning in Circuit 5 most of the time.  When someone's learning how to swim, they get there but there's always room for getting better.  It's a difficult question to answer.

  

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It's a difficult question to answer

Which/what question?


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It's a difficult question to answer

Which/what question?

We can settle this, and get back to the 2nd pylon circuit dominion, if you will simply describe the imprint, or imprinting process, that you can get into

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why don't you describe the imprint, or imprinting process, that you can get into ?


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@dom
why don't you describe the imprint, or imprinting process, that you can get into ?

High energy friendly-dominant ; not feeling pissed off or hard done by?  How's that sound?   

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@dom
Ok sounds good.
Take the morning off; have a wander around the wilderness.


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@dom
Ok sounds good.
Take the morning off; have a wander around the wilderness.

The shrinking wilderness.      It's social, if you haven't got a handle on the Circuit 4 social brain you won't make it to brain 5.   We all exchange a little bit of give- and- take vampirism socially every day.

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@dom
Ok i guess you won't be wandering around in the wilderness alone tomorrow then.


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It's a difficult question to answer

Which/what question?

I thought it was your assertion that you were apparently loftily

Posted by: @dom

functioning in Circuit 5 most of the time. [?]

Note - I inserted the "?" above in order to demonstrate the question concerned.  It follows on from your earlier claim

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 Me for example, I can turn circuit 5 on without weed.  It's hard work mind and my judgement doesn't get impaired and I'm focused

Though do you possibly mean "but" there instead of "and"?

According to Shiva's schema, this corresponds to your "mostly" operating out of Tiphereth, or "functioning" as a 5=6 or Adeptus Minor - doesn't it?

However, instead of Shiva's, my own question would be: although "difficult", do you think you have actually answered it? 

And if so, where?  And if not so, why (ever not)?

"Questions, questions, all these questions...",

N  Joy


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Note - I inserted the "?" above in order to demonstrate the question concerned.

He has already been summoned for examination in his ability to get along on Circuit 5. But that won't happen 'til we get to Circuit 5. We're still wallowing in #2.

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According to Shiva's schema, this corresponds to your "mostly" operating out of Tiphereth, or "functioning" as a 5=6 or Adeptus Minor - doesn't it?

Only if he's taken the imprint (internally, not some outer rite). Is the "anchor" set on 5? We will come to that.

 


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However, instead of Shiva's, my own question would be: although "difficult", do you think you have actually answered it? 

And if so, where?  And if not so, why (ever not)?

"Questions, questions, all these questions...",

N  Joy

Yeah see the post above about three or four posts ago where I mention "high energy" etc.

 

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Posted by: @jamiejbarter

"mostly" operating out of Tiphereth, or "functioning" as a 5=6 or Adeptus Minor

And this exactly reflects the notion that some people "get high" but do (or do not) take the "imprint" of The City of the Sun. It is called either Adeptus Minor (without), who "gets high on pranayama, or Adeptus Minor (within), who takes the imprint.

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I mention "high energy" etc.

"High Energy"  comes out of The Citadel of Geburah, which houses the 6th circuit. Are we finished with #2? Is it time for #3?


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Posted by: @dom

I mention "high energy" etc.

Yes - that was like new-age waffle. Were there "positive vibrations" involved in this at the same time?

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Yeah see the post above about three or four posts ago

To be sure, you mean:

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why don't you describe the imprint, or imprinting process, that you can get into ?

High energy friendly-dominant ; not feeling pissed off or hard done by?  How's that sound?   

Sounds Vague?  Ridiculous??  And it doesn't answer the question (mine or tiger's).  Let me paraphrase in clearer fashion: what you're saying is you're posing posting here as an Adeptus Minor (within/ without) most of the time?

Getting to the heart of the matter,

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As a long time member here, I have observed that, since my emergence in the forums, the issue, theme and topic of who holds what degree and “spiritual status” has been an ongoing topic. To this day, Los is mocked for his numerical claims. In the case of Dom, we find that, even if you don't name and claim a Grade, someone will do it FOR you. And then bust out the rocks to knock you off your post.

 

I think that, somewhere along the line, I may have claimed some high fallutin' Grade and Title myself. Quite frankly, if anyone were to dredge that up, I might have to hurl a stone or two at my own foolish self.

 

But this presents a problem, doesn't it? Crowley's Names and Numbers were meant to indicate real human potential and realization. If almost no one can achieve the K and C of the HGA, let alone scoot over that Abyss, then it's kind of dumb to offer this system to “Every Man and Woman” (butcher, baker and candle stick maker) who are supposedly “Stars.” It must be a super-elitist club where only the “few and secret” may judge and mock all other Lashtalians.

 

Now I don't post this to defend Dom against the critique being sent his way. But I wish to call attention to the fact that this HAS been an ongoing theme since I started posting here as a wide-eyed blinking newbie.

 

Jamie-if I may: where do you see yourself on Crowley's neo-GD schematic? I'm hoping you won't offer a clever and evasive answer. It's a simple One out of 10. Where do you peg yourself?

 

And really, my question isn't hostile or cynical. I'm quite fond of the term “Expedient Means” (which I got from The Lotus Sutra). If our “Means” really ARE “Expedient” they will prove fruitful. Some students DO need a thwack with the bamboo-but the end result is that they “wake up.” Otherwise, you may end up like Crowley, whacking Victor's ass with gorse and getting off on it.

 

If Dom identifies “feeling pissed off or hard done by” as the problematic state which “High Energy” lifts him out of, I think this indicates where he is hard-wired-but also that he knows this state is problematic/constrictive and that he is aware of and in contact with a greater state of consciousness/being.

 

To my view, he is clearly on the Initiatory Path.

 

“what you're saying is you're posing posting here as an Adeptus Minor (within/ without) most of the time? Getting to the heart of the matter...”

 

It is my personal experience that we get glimpses of “Higher States” during certain Initiations-and we may be so taken or impacted by those glorious glimpses that we think we have achieved that Initiation. We've really been given an adumbration but it rocks our world so much that we think the Shadow is the Light. I make this observation as I've been in this state myself so I know how it looks and feels.

 

I will also say that is my perspective that the “higher” one gets, the less tension there is. One actually one DOES join the ranks of the “few and secret.” Names and Numbers become less important, even silly and to be discarded altogether.

 

Lashtal is not an Occult or Teaching site BUT (!) the Path of Initiation is absolutely a major element of Crowley's legacy. We are interested in all those who came tumbling after him and that includes our present living lot, does it not?


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I would only add that all public talk of who's attained what grade has the potential to open up further 2nd circuit reactions from all concerned. People jockey for position and try to gauge who's where in relation to whom and the A.'.A.'. grade system gets reduced from a viable road map of attainment to a mammalian chest beating contest. 

Everybody wants to demonstrate, or be told that they are of a high grade, nobody wants to be thought of as low grade.


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A great sobering post there from Kidneyhawk.

If anyone is playing the spiritual-pride card it's Barter.  I am using scientific method in my analysis which involves doubt.  Im not saying "I've attained to the KAC of my HGA and this is where I reside on the great mystical Tree, yea verily I have spoken and you can now refer to me as Xenon or whatever".  No. I simply said that I know what the Neurosomatic Circuit is derived from drug-free experience and I have the practical methodology in daily existence.

@Jamiebarter

'High energy' y'know as oppose to low energy depressive and lethargic states.  Is that really such a vague expression?

Barter wants me to use metaphysical hogwash by resorting to "grade" announcements which I avoided due to their vagueness yet he accuses me of being vague.  That is exactly why R.A.W. used the Circuit model to make it all more scientific.

Do you honestly think that a small group of Victorian Masons were the only people in history to open the 5th circuit drug-free?  

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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I would only add that all public talk of who's attained what grade has the potential to open up further 2nd circuit reactions from all concerned. People jockey for position and try to gauge who's where in relation to whom and the A.'.A.'. grade system gets reduced from a viable road map of attainment to a mammalian chest beating contest. 

Everybody wants to demonstrate, or be told that they are of a high grade, nobody wants to be thought of as low grade.

Exactly and this is why such cults usually end up as a train wreck.  

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Posted by: @dom
Posted by: @pertinax

I would only add that all public talk of who's attained what grade has the potential to open up further 2nd circuit reactions from all concerned. People jockey for position and try to gauge who's where in relation to whom and the A.'.A.'. grade system gets reduced from a viable road map of attainment to a mammalian chest beating contest. 

Everybody wants to demonstrate, or be told that they are of a high grade, nobody wants to be thought of as low grade.

Exactly and this is why such cults usually end up as a train wreck.  

I'm sure you, and everybody else here is familiar with this quote: "But all exterior societies subsist only by virtue of this interior one. As soon as external societies wish to transform a temple of wisdom into a political edifice, the interior society retires and leaves only the letter without the spirit. It is thus that secret external societies of wisdom were nothing but hieroglyphic screens, the truth remaining inviolable in the Sanctuary so that she might never be profaned."

This seems to happen in pretty much every instance where the A.'.A.'. touches down in Malkuth. Grade jockeying is just another form of politics.


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