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?!

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I mention "high energy" etc.

Yes - that was like new-age waffle. Were there "positive vibrations" involved in this at the same time?

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Yeah see the post above about three or four posts ago

To be sure, you mean:

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why don't you describe the imprint, or imprinting process, that you can get into ?

High energy friendly-dominant ; not feeling pissed off or hard done by?  How's that sound?   

Sounds Vague?  Ridiculous??  And it doesn't answer the question (mine or tiger's). 

This is the very phrase ('high energy') that R.A.W. used to describe Leary and the latter's meditation students (inmates) when R.A.W. visited him in prison.    Check your copy of Cosmic Trigger if you have one.

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  And it doesn't answer the question (mine or tiger's).  Let me paraphrase in clearer fashion: what you're saying is you're posing posting here as an Adeptus Minor (within/ without) most of the time?

Getting to the heart of the matter,

N Joy

So Tiger asked the entity known as david/Dom to "describe the imprint ..(he) can get into

 

Imprint ; noun

 

an occasion when an object presses on something and leaves a mark:
The buttonhadleftan imprint on myarm.
 
You, in your usual nitpicking manner,  are trying to get me to repeat my answer but in A'A' speak.  Maybe i don't do A'A' speak as I consider it to be staid and naff.   
 
 
Many people may go through the ordeals and attain the degrees of the A.'. A.'. without ever hearing that such an Order exists. The universe is, in fact, busy with nothing else" ALEISTER CROWLEY
 
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...here's a few quotes from AC on the matter (apologies for double post) but R.A.W.'s talk of circuits takes the mystical bullshit out of it

From Liber Aleph (written 1918, published later):

Crowley wrote:

Give Ear, give Ear attentively; the Will is not lost; though it be buried beneath a life-old midden of Repressions, for it persisteth vital within thee (is it not the true Motion of thine inmost Being?)


From Magick Without Tears (written 1940s, published 1954):

Crowley wrote:

As you travel inward, you become able to perceive all the layers which surround the `Self' from within

 

From the Confessions, where Crowley explains to J.W.N. Sullivan:

Crowley wrote:

You, being a man, are therefore a star. The soul of a star is what we call genius. You are a genius. This fact is obscured by moral complexes which enmesh it, or lack of adequate machinery to express it in terms of action.

Liber LXV wrote:

But I have called unto Thee, and I have journeyed unto Thee, and it availed me not. I waited patiently, and Thou wast with me from the beginning.

...

Yet all the while Thou was hidden therein, as the Lord of Silence is hidden in the buds of the lotus.

...

Many things I beheld mediate and immediate; but, beholding them no more, I beheld Thee.

 

 

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If anyone is playing the spiritual-pride card it's Barter

I was joshing, but apparently I've touched some sort of exposed nerve and some people think it's worth getting worked up for and defensive about (even on your own behalf)

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Barter wants me to use metaphysical hogwash

You're doing that fine yourself anyway (ha!) but as I've had to tell you more than once before, it's Mister Barter to you, O nameless Dom/David - were you in the army or at public (nb, private to Americans) school?

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Jamie-if I may: where do you see yourself on Crowley's neo-GD schematic? I'm hoping you won't offer a clever and evasive answer.

You may. To be honest I don't see a great deal of value in it myself, operating as it does from flawed premises.  Unless one is Grady Grade jumping, the idea is to have carried out the work of the degree before one can claim it and advance to the next, all the way up the ladder greasy pole Tree.  However one of the very early Tasks (that of the Neophyte him/her self) is to obtain "perfect control" of the Astral Plane, and of the Zelator to have achieved "complete success" in both asana and pranayama.  I cannot claim to have done so; and anyone else likewise cannot truly be said to have advanced to the lofty heights of Practicus and beyond either.

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It's a simple One out of 10. Where do you peg yourself?

Gerald Suster told me that Israel Regardie, whenever asked this question, always used to reply "Student".  He adopted this, and I also follow suit on the same basis that we are all of us busy learning something all of the time.  Why don'tcha ask Shiva?  If I was that preoccupied with people's position as you seem to suggest, surely I would have interrogated him about his claim I read recently to have crossed the Abyss roundabout '81?  He must have made a lot more progress since then, particularly if he gives his chosen "Word" as "Agape" - but then again, Ipsissimi aren't ever meant to declare, are they? 😉 

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I was joshing,

Bullshit.

 

It's ok, learn from it. 

 

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Jamie-if I may: where do you see yourself on Crowley's neo-GD schematic? I'm hoping you won't offer a clever and evasive answer.

You may. To be honest I don't see a great deal of value in it myself, operating as it does from flawed premises.  Unless one is Grady Grade jumping, the idea is to have carried out the work of the degree before one can claim it and advance to the next, all the way up the ladder greasy pole Tree.  However one of the very early Tasks (that of the Neophyte him/her self) is to obtain "perfect control" of the Astral Plane, and of the Zelator to have achieved "complete success" in both asana and pranayama.  I cannot claim to have done so; and anyone else likewise cannot truly be said to have advanced to the lofty heights of Practicus and beyond either.

Never mind all that Victorian romantic mystical poetic-gush bullshit, do you or do you not generally function from BRAIN 5 in your daily economic struggle?  As follows;  

 

. (Leary and Wilson)The neurosomatic circuit

This is concerned with neurological-somatic feedbacks, feeling high and blissful, somatic reprogramming, etc. It may be called the rapture circuit.

When this circuit is activated, a non-conceptual feeling of well-being arises. This has a beneficial effect on the health of the physical body

The fifth circuit is consciousness of the body. There is a marked shift from linear visual space to an all-encompassing aesthetic sensory space.

 

Perceptions are judged not so much for their meaning and utility, but for their aesthetic qualities.

 Experience of this circuit often accompanies the following;

 

1.   hedonistic "turn-on"

 

2. , a rapturous amusement

 

3. a detachment from the previously compulsive mechanism of the first four circuits.

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... beholding them no more, I beheld Thee.

I read all your quotes. Bible-thumping, but using AC'S "Thouest" works. Yes, he is saying the same thing that Jung said in Psych 101. We all know about the layers and the repressions. What (further) about them?

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Bullshit.  It's ok, learn from it. 

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a detachment from the previously compulsive mechanism of the first four circuits.

aHA, AND FINALLY-HO, WE HAVE A DEMONSTRATION (Caps Lock released) of the 2nd Circuit. Many quotes of superiority, or at least competency. Smelly barnyard lingo. Me over you. You under me. Say, "Yes Sir!" when you address me. What we need is a dojo, free of viruses, where everyone can go to show and blow. Welcome to the second pylon of Circuit 2. I note that the 5th is coming hard into play, gracefully - not hard at all - and this is the circuit where people "get high," or attain to euphoria. This is the space wherein the true aspirant is supposed to take advantage of his/her detachment from the pomposity of the first 4 and invoke his/her "Angel." You know: "Without and/or Within."

 


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How about telling the whole story in your gotcha analysis i.e. JamieBarter's domination attempts in the lead up to those selected quotes of mine.

Anyway I've said enough about my Brain 5 situation and yes we're still discussing Brain 2.   Can we correlate Freud's Oral stage and Anal stage to brains 1 and 2?   

Sadness plays a massive part in the crawling baby stage as a booster.  Anger plays a massive part in the toddler phase for the child.

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Of course we would run out of Freuds after Circuit 3, so let's not, and say we did.

Have an exotic cheroot or two, david, and none will doubt your 5th Circuit cred. Or maybe stop bickering?


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How about telling the whole story in your gotcha analysis i.e. JamieBarter's domination attempts in the lead up to those selected quotes of mine.

I refuse, under an Oath of my own invention, to reveal the civil names of any living person. I see the thread is getting very personal. Since euphoria can be experienced as a 2nd circuit "feeling good," we'll have to wait 'til #5 to see what fits where. I will admit to trying to stay neutral and Norma is after your logic and expression, while you are "not quite" being logical (Bible-thumping quotes do not count - you must express your direct experience, then prove it, and NormaN will go away if you do it right).

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 Can we correlate Freud's Oral stage and Anal stage to brains 1 and 2?

Yes. Sucking up nourishment (through the Oral), and Shit for brains via the lower rear duct.

 


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Of course we would run out of Freuds after Circuit 3, so let's not, and say we did.

Have an exotic cheroot or two, david, and none will doubt your 5th Circuit cred. Or maybe stop bickering?

I said 'Freud' not 'Feuds'.

 

Maybe I'm missing your joke.  Maybe it was a Freudian slip or perhaps a witty observation intentionally using a Freudian slip and I'm now ruining the joke.   Either way smoke another one for me.    

 

@shiva

 

Anger and authority and one's proper place in the family/world all this is 'imprinted' at the toddler stage.  My mother used to walk away from me in the supermarket when I had public tantrums haha.

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Maybe I'm missing your joke.  Maybe it was a Freudian slip or perhaps a witty observation intentionally using a Freudian slip and I'm now ruining the joke.

Well, Freud had a "phallic" stage, I believe. So there's at least one circuit/stage to go (it will be #4). Where do we find a place in the Freuian/Feudian paradigm?

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public tantrums haha.

freud

Oh, really? Now we're getting somewhere. Tell me all about it. You still have 47 minutes left before we must stop.

 


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Now that we have got the datum, abode, and basis, from which the entity david/dom dispatches to churn up, find support and a platform for attestation; lets fine tune to the next circuit.


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Now that we have got the datum, abode, and basis, from which the entity david/dom dispatches to churn up, find support and a platform for attestation; lets fine tune to the next circuit.

Circuit 2 is ego, "who I think I am" ( in the world) . Toddler-anger is literally a way of asking for authority so it knows for sure where he is, who he is and what the world actually is.  Only then can it manoeuvre around the world happily...more so.    In the UK those with Circuit 2 issues are given monikers such as  'ar_eshole', 'a pain in the ass' , 'a bum' , a 'sh1t-house'  or a 'gob-sh1te' (note the anal stage Circuit 2 semantics). 

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In the UK those with Circuit 2 issues are given monikers such as 'ar_eshole', 'a pain in the ass' , 'a bum' , a 'sh1t-house' or a 'gob-sh1te' (note the anal stage Circuit 2 semantics).

What you don’t have the exceptional manvure, which we do here, called American grate ism ?


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Circuit 2 is ego

Actually, there is a division hither homeward between Ego and ego. Of the little ego, at circuit 2, it is often said, "Oh, he has a big ego." Or, "Oh, he's a wimp." At #2, it is not a matter of "thinking" who we are - it is a matter of how we "inherently feel" in relation to others. It is so "subconscious" that those others will utter their words ... and the individual may not even know what the others are talking about. This stuff is much more subtle and hardwired that what we "think." The Ego is the sense of I Am Me. and , yes, we have thoughts there about who we are - when we focus on that. Ego (big E) is synonymous with Soul, and this is Tiph-Geb-Ches stuff, which is the causal plane and some higher circuits. Those phrases you use in the UK are disgusting. I will consider whether my partial English ancestry needs DNA modification.

The first 4 circuits are Layers of Clothing put on over the Ego (Soul). The sense of I Am is pure in everyone. It's the four outer layers that make everyone different, some with disgusting habits.

 


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Am I alive or am I dead?

Shut yer gob you stupid Ned

Everyone wants something

But What if something is nothing 

What if this is all a shit play for gobshites

To learn how to play nice

In the next life?

 

Or .

Is.

Nothing.

Nothing?


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Actually, there is a division hither homeward between Ego and ego. Of the little ego, at circuit 2, it is often said, "Oh, he has a big ego." Or, "Oh, he's a wimp." At #2, it is not a matter of "thinking" who we are - it is a matter of how we "inherently feel" in relation to others. It is so "subconscious" that those others will utter their words ... and the individual may not even know what the others are talking about. This stuff is much more subtle and hardwired that what we "think." The Ego is the sense of I Am Me. and , yes, we have thoughts there about who we are - when we focus on that. Ego (big E) is synonymous with Soul, and this is Tiph-Geb-Ches stuff, which is the causal plane and some higher circuits. Those phrases you use in the UK are disgusting. I will consider whether my partial English ancestry needs DNA modification.

The first 4 circuits are Layers of Clothing put on over the Ego (Soul). The sense of I Am is pure in everyone. It's the four outer layers that make everyone different, some with disgusting habits.

 

Yeah so what is it within us that makes us think (wrongly) that we are our terrestrial circuits?  I guess we can label that as 'Ruach'. 

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Yeah so what is it within us that makes us think (wrongly) that we are our terrestrial circuits?

If anyone is performing any maneuver in any lower circuit, it would be foolish to think, "I am not this physical person, performing a physical task. This seems to be a common confusion of the planes and the circuits ... Anything is valid and true on its own plane. The application of higher circuits/sphere rationale to, say, the physical plane while running a chainsaw might result in the lose of digits, limbs, or noses (and then you can't breathe).


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Yeah so what is it within us that makes us think (wrongly) that we are our terrestrial circuits?

If anyone is performing any maneuver in any lower circuit, it would be foolish to think, "I am not this physical person, performing a physical task. This seems to be a common confusion of the planes and the circuits ... Anything is valid and true on its own plane. The application of higher circuits/sphere rationale to, say, the physical plane while running a chainsaw might result in the lose of digits, limbs, or noses (and then you can't breathe).

No I didn't mean using tools or machinery I meant that e.g. someone can be lost in resentment that their neighbour just bought a new and bigger car or their boyfriend has a new girlfriend and seems happier.  In both cases the person lost in those emotions  thinks that they actually are the lower circuit generating those emotions.

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No I didn't mean using tools or machinery I meant that e.g. someone can be lost in resentment that their neighbour just bought a new and bigger car or their boyfriend has a new girlfriend and seems happier.  In both cases the person lost in those emotions  thinks that they actually are the lower circuit generating those emotions.

This has become far too deep for me in the "thinking" department, at this moment.


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A circuit in the mind expanse
of the brain division
thinking.
Actually
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identity;
up reaching
disorientation,
of the down reaching
observer observing observer,
to see;
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up reaching ... disorientation ... of the down reaching

Please order an oxygen unit. Breathe deeply. Then hold. Five minutes will do. It will all go away.

 


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No I didn't mean using tools or machinery I meant that e.g. someone can be lost in resentment that their neighbour just bought a new and bigger car or their boyfriend has a new girlfriend and seems happier.  In both cases the person lost in those emotions  thinks that they actually are the lower circuit generating those emotions.

This has become far too deep for me in the "thinking" department, at this moment.

It isn't a 'thinking' process as such.

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It isn't a 'thinking' process as such.

I believe I said that in the first place.


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I see the entire Hall of Forums (Forumi?) has slowed down for the moment, or the day. Everybody's left the building on the 5th Amendment neurocircuit. So that leaves you and me to fight over dominance in the 2nd. I say we just split the difference, synthesize it, and move on to the 3rd ...


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I see the entire Hall of Forums (Forumi?) has slowed down for the moment, or the day. Everybody's left the building on the 5th Amendment neurocircuit. So that leaves you and me to fight over dominance in the 2nd. I say we just split the difference, synthesize it, and move on to the 3rd ...

It's the recent New Moon, the canines and primates are affected including me. 

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The 3rd neurocircuit operates out of Hod. This will prove to be problematic, because many folks misunderstand the function of that Orange sphere. Superficially, it governs Manual Dexterity and Verbal Expression Skills (including Writing or Typing), and a bit more not included in the Leary/Wilson exposition.


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The 3rd neurocircuit operates out of Hod. This will prove to be problematic, because many folks misunderstand the function of that Orange sphere. Superficially, it governs Manual Dexterity and Verbal Expression Skills (including Writing or Typing), and a bit more not included in the Leary/Wilson exposition.

Pecking order in hens.  Rank is established, some are bossed about and they get the crumbs left over.  "Crumbs from a rich man's table"?  

 

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breathing walls and forgotten entrances into the moment closing behind the door around evermore enclosed flowing colors emerge from the dark and light angles reflect others together rates of vibration that seemed to be non existent and signals and impulses from other planes of awareness. Take a breath. A creative unfolding of each moment in the cauldron of simultaneous selves. The noticer is making statements, the listener is interpreting, the data collector gathering, moving back and forth sealing and validating cognition through recognition. Mind creates the continuity to sustain the view. A single being presents to the world as operating, though a multiniverse is active.

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A Desert A Garden farm.
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I once left the pub with my girlfriend, there was another couple coming our way.  My girlfriend put her head on my shoulder and when we got near to the other couple I could see that the female was pissed off i.e. jealous probably because  she couldn't put her head on his shoulder. This is mammalian circuit 2 politics in action, it's not all about male ape-men.

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I once left the pub with my girlfriend, there was another couple coming our way.  My girlfriend put her head on my shoulder and when we got near to the other couple I could see that the female was pissed off i.e. jealous probably because  she couldn't put her head on his shoulder. This is mammalian circuit 2 politics in action, it's not all about male ape-men.

Yes - she (the female with the tired head) was clearly pissed off with her mate (the other male)realizing that she would be having a much much better time of it if she was going out with you instead!

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A Desert A Garden farm.
A Rose outside a walled enclosure on a green mound,
Twelve rays expanding freely.
Mercurial children dancing

... and a partridge in a pear tree.

Ee-aye-eee-ay-oh!

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The 3rd neurocircuit operates out of Hod. This will prove to be problematic, because many folks misunderstand the function of that Orange sphere. Superficially, it governs Manual Dexterity and Verbal Expression Skills (including Writing or Typing), and a bit more not included in the Leary/Wilson exposition.

Do all of the primates have this?  Homo sapiens sapiens can write and speak but the other primates never designed an alphabet. 

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Do all of the primates have this? 

It seems (no absolutism here) so.The primates have limbs, thus they have a limbic brain. They have some form of communication (squeaks, grunts, howls, moans, maybe even sign-lingo in the more advanced species.They use their limbs and digits to do work. They do not seem to "write," that talent being limited to humans.

Generally, the answer is yes, but here is where the animals and the humans become much different ... obviously because our Hod is a big ballroom filled with complexities, while the animals must get along with a closet. (Close = limited storage).

Note that Hod 3rd circuit development results in a diminished capacity to be aware of certain "animal instincts" that most of the animals have.

 


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Yeah so what is it within us that makes us think (wrongly) that we are our terrestrial circuits?

If anyone is performing any maneuver in any lower circuit, it would be foolish to think, "I am not this physical person, performing a physical task. This seems to be a common confusion of the planes and the circuits ... Anything is valid and true on its own plane. The application of higher circuits/sphere rationale to, say, the physical plane while running a chainsaw might result in the lose of digits, limbs, or noses (and then you can't breathe).

No I didn't mean using tools or machinery I meant that e.g. someone can be lost in resentment that their neighbour just bought a new and bigger car or their boyfriend has a new girlfriend and seems happier.  In both cases the person lost in those emotions  thinks that they actually are the lower circuit generating those emotions.

More evidence for me to by highly impressed with this community. Adding in Leary's Neuro Logic into the mix? Wow, I always had a challenging time getting other Thelemites or occultists into it. Game of Life an extraordinary work, very close to home for me as well as Leary himself.

Circuit 2 is concerned with territory and all intelligence and strategies that concern itself with maintaining territory. We dont need language or even "ego" for that, that is what circuit 3 brings us, language manipulation and then ideas about the ego emerge from circuit 3.

The ego "trap" is likely there all the way 1- 8. It is just as easy to confuse ourselves as our higher circuits at the higher stage as it is to confuse ourselves as our lower circuits at an earlier stage.

All circuits according to Leary have three stages each, so the integrative stage of circuit 2 is the beginning stage for receptivity of circuit 3.

Leary designed the circuits based on the Hindu chakra system, Leary was initiated (i dont have the name handy, sorry) by an eastern adept during his Millbrook mansion days.

Chakras are "created" by these deeper natural intelligences in the brain/nervous system (according to Leary).

The lower circuits are essential to the higher circuits.

Also remember leary's core teaching here, when asked by a fan "Hey Tim, how do you know what psychedelic visions you've had are real and which ones are bullshit?"

"They're all bullshit" Leary replied, and I will leave you at that 🙂


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I always had a challenging time getting other Thelemites or occultists into it.

If we were to look around, we'd find that most people (including Thelemites & Bailey fans, and Theosophistsget pretty stuck in their chosen rut. We find the same thing in martial arts. But no matter what the field, there are always some generalists who reach out to include other schools of thought. Bennett and Crowley wer G.D., but they studied pharmacology, Buddhism ... on their own. They were generalists.

Give me a system, any system, and if it's true (or close) it can be correlated with the Tree and brought into the fold. (The fold that has no name).

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They're all bullshit" Leary replied, and I will leave you at that 🙂

I am left. But Leary apparently saw through the whole illusion of veils.

 


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Give me a system, any system, and if it's true (or close) it can be correlated with the Tree and brought into the fold. (The fold that has no name).

Although this implies the Tree is itself (closely) true - or at least, not so much false - whereas if this were indeed so (=true) it would sooner or later ossify as change is stability and anicca, anicca (as you like to put it).  It is already 400+ years old in its present form and arguably ripe & (over)due for development & refinement into the next version of it.

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They're all bullshit" Leary replied, and I will leave you at that 🙂

I am left. But Leary apparently saw through the whole illusion of veils.

Quite the comedian. (Leary, I mean!)

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Give me a system, any system, and if it's true (or close) it can be correlated with the Tree and brought into the fold. (The fold that has no name).

True in what way? You mean internally consistent? (I don't mean that subjectively, I mean internal as within the system of...) 

I suppose if it is true in some way, it would have to emerge from the fold with no name. If it is true in some transcendent way then we could not expect anything on the Tree of Life to be real at all.

Tim Leary was kinda like a mentor to me, really meant a lot to me when I was a young naive hipster doofus, although he hardly knew me at all but at least I got to finally have at least one long sit down one on one convo with him for a few hours, kinda like our convo here in a way too, it was about neurologic and the 8 circuit model, etc.

I was in awe of the guy too, and at the time he was in pain and sick and dying and I was a kid practically, and I was too in my own head and self absorbed to let go of my own expectations of how I wanted the convo to go and I thought he was bored to tears with me, and I felt crushed and took his discomfort personally.

That's when he said something that many years later would change my life. He said "You know, at this stage, you probably know and remember more about my work than I have. And you might be very impressed with the work I've done, you might think it is incredible. But you know what? I am having just a difficult time in this moment with you as you are with me, and if we can't bring anything into the moment with each other and connect, its all bullshit. Thats what its for, to make a connection with someone else, not just to have a grand idea in your head that you think explains everything. If no one can share that with you or it can't be used to make a sincere connection, what good is it?"

That being said, I loved Game of Life it how it blended the tarot deck, psychology, genetics, kabbalah, history, the toaist octaves,  and all kinds of fun pseudoscience into a true sci fi tantra. Robert Anton Wilson worked out most of the occult stuff in it for Leary. I doubt it lines up lol but it does offer a harmonious, internally consistent fusion of eastern and western gnostic psychology for the 21st century materialist mind. I did a year long digital archive project on it so I have an unusual large body of knowledge on it and its legacy.

The more interesting thing about neurologic to me has been its predictive power about this current historical chapter we are in right now!


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True in what way?

In that it is a reflection of the invisible spectrum of consciousness. By "true" I mean a mirror that reflects a reasonably good (true) reflection. "Untrue" would be something that resembles a warped mirror.

Since most things carry an element of truth, this can get very hair-splitting. Both the Tree of Life and the Seven-planes system have proven themselves to me, and the neurocircuits correlate just fine for my purposes. The ten grades (dan) of Budo (martial arts) fit the Tree just dandy, but I have seen examples of how those in charge can give out grades that are not earned in terms of consciousness, but rather of technique - so I would consider that (Budo) "close."

It can become very subjective. I am always delighted when some other person finds truth (or a scam) in the same places I have found it (truth). But don't drag me out over "truth," because I well know that most of what we study and proclaim is illusion. I like to fall back on the blanket concept ...

There are nine vehicles of Liberation. The lower eight are intellectually fabricated.
Only the ninth (Rigpa or Adi) is the clear, primordial state.

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If it is true in some transcendent way then we could not expect anything on the Tree of Life to be real at all.

Yes. This is the point. The primordial state is found out there in the Ains. Everything on the Tree is seen as illusion. But this is "as seen" from a far-out state of Liberation (temporary or permanent). For someone working their way through Hod or Chesed, they must deal with the illusion of that plane/sphere, or they might get bumped.

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The more interesting thing about neurologic to me has been its predictive power about this current historical chapter we are in right now!

Yeah. Many folks are engaging the higher circuits. Leary & LSD did a lot to open these vistas to mass consciousness.


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“ Although this implies the Tree is itself (closely) true - or at least, not so much false - whereas if this were indeed so (=true) it would sooner or later ossify as change is stability and anicca, anicca (as you like to put it). It is already 400+ years old in its present form and arguably ripe & (over)due for development & refinement into the next version of it. “

The Jewish Kabbalah is a set of esoteric teachings meant to explain the relationship between the unchanging, eternal God the mysterious Ein Sof "The limitless Infinite", and the mortal, finite universe (God's creation).It forms the foundation of belief that union with or absorption into a deity or the absolute, may be attained through submission and contemplation in Judaic truth.

The Hermetic Qabalah arose out of the underground into the mainstream with heightened interest, in pre christian classical philosophy Greco-Roman learning and culture, mathematics, natural sciences, humanism and the ideal that the people are not subjects. It draws on a great many influences, Astrology, Alchemy, Paganism, Egyptian, Greco-Roman, neoplatonism, gnosticism, the Enochian system, hermeticism, and the tarot, iching etc. Hermetic Qabalah differs from the Jewish form in being a syncretic Tool.


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“[T]he Tree is itself [...] already 400+ years old in its present form and arguably ripe & (over)due for development & refinement into the next version of it. “

The Jewish Kabbalah [...]

The Hermetic Qabalah [...]

I was thinking more of the actual structure of the Tree of Life with its ten sephiroth and 22 paths connecting them (along with all their correspondences), rather than the Cabbala in itself.  The idea of Daath as an invisible sephira, for instance, is a relatively new innovation outside of the "classical" system and not incorporated in those models save as a dotted circle without any interconnecting paths indicating how it might be arrived at.

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I was thinking more of the actual structure of the Tree of Life

Yes. QBL is old, old. The Tree was "invented" by a Jesuit Priest in the 1600s(?).

 


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I shall not continue to be found revealing the secrets of Applied Geburah, but will simply donate the doc where this has already been covered. Here is anybody's copy, right out of The Master Codex, which has pictures for undeveloped minds, if you or they want further and final authorization of what's going on here ...

Hey thanks for putting all that together in the Budo PDF! Longtime practitioner here as well, but very non impressive. This community is fortunate to have you around.


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So Leary and the game of life and the tree of life 

I dont see why we would need to map Leary's Neurologic onto the Tree of life (into a base10 system). 

Here is a PDF of Leary's Game of Life for reference https://3white5star2.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/13077663-timothy-leary-with-robert-anton-wilson-the-game-of-life.pdf

Perhaps we could map his 24 phases maybe onto the 22 paths of the tree, yet specifically he said that the 22 Trump cards were outdated, there are actually 24 and he claimed Neurologic figured this out.

The 8 circuit model shouldn't get anyone attached to the number 8 in the same way the tree of life should not get anyone attached to the number 10 (from the "neurologic" viewpoint)

Each "circuit" has three unique types of intelligence that are in communication with each other, which makes each circuit its own unique active dialectic, a binary pair concluding with a synthesis for each circuit so total there are 24 unique intelligences in Leary's game of life, which he maps to the 22 Trump cards of the Tarot, but plus 2. he said that the trump cards were incomplete, 2 were missing.

Leary's 8 circuits with 3 phrases is naturally occurring order in many occult systems, and match all octave based systems which are in base three, with the trigrams of the bagua which itself was influenced by the bonpo of Tibet (called a magic square), or the Eight manifestations of padmasambhava just to name a few ( https://mandalas.life/get/eight-manifestation-of-guru/)

Also, the 8 circuits are based on the chakra system which Leary was initiated into at Millbrook mansion in the 60's, making him an initiate. (It was first called the 7 circuit brain!) Leary's first work as an LSD maestro was an interpretation of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, so he attracted some high level attention.

As an initiate, he knew that the chakras are created in the mind and discovered in the body, so you can have any number of chakras that make sense in whatever system you're working in, some can have 4, 5, Leary started with 7 and his final aha was in the octaves, making one match the whole system with 8 circuits total.

He also divided the 24 intelligences into two sets, terrestrial and post-terrestrial, so two sets of 12 which he also assigned to the western zodiac and to each stage of intelligence a Hebrew letter.

So it would not make sense to attempt to map the Tree of Life to Leary's full "Game of Life" since Leary is claiming his system is literally the "update" to all occult revelations through history, of which the Tree would be a more primitive version (according to his view, not saying this is my view).

Starseed, The Game of Life, Neurologic, Exo-psychology and SMILE is all one big tantra for the west, using sci-fi materialistic story to re-tell the gnostic pleroma myths and the chakra system of the east into its own complete and holistic system that the western scientific mind can appreciate and have fun with and most importantly design the next phase of evolution. isn't that what all occult systems do?

The fun numbers in Leary's system is 8, 3, 12, and 24.

The whole system is internally consistent. With intention, Leary's neurologic reverses the old inward tantras into an outward tantra, a collective journey of humanity returning to our interstellar origins at the center of the galaxy where our interstellar parents await us, a materialistic version of a very very old story told in many traditions.

Leary's Neurologic went on the influence the underground as it emerged into Silicon Valley and then just like comet khutek, Leary's Neurolgic fizzled and now no one has even heard of it (except for this astute crowd).

Leary said there were always 24 different reality scripts running all the time, and he predicted that in the soon to be digital future (now) multiple reality scripts would be the norm instead of a singular mainstream reality and we needed to humanize the technologies to accommodate what was coming.

His predictive power of the time we are in now makes me think, all these years later, that Leary may be on to something 🙂


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good stuff thanks welcome !

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Yes. QBL is old, old. The Tree was "invented" by a Jesuit Priest in the 1600s(?).

Jewish Kabbalah "reception”
Jewish Kabbalistic “reception“ knowledge is a set of esoteric teachings using a Rabbanite narrative, based on a belief system that came from Moses at Mount Sinai who received two items from God; the Written Torah (the Pentateuch) and the Oral Torah (transmitted word-to-mouth); around the 13th century BCE; although some believe that Kabbalah began with Adam. The most famous work of kabbalah, the Zohar, was revealed in the thirteenth century by Moses De Leon, who claimed that the book contained the mystical writings of the second-century rabbi Simeon bar Yochai. Isaac Luria is considered the father of contemporary Kabbalah; popularised in the form of Hasidic Judaism from the 18th century onwards.

Christian Cabala “conversion”
The Franciscan Ramon Llull infiltrated the Jewish Kabbalah to use it as a tool for converting the Jewish belief system to a christian belief system.The pentagrammaton or Yahshuah is a constructed form of the Hebrew name of Jesus attributed to Athanasius Kirchner a Jesuit scholar; deriving the Hebrew name of Jesus by adding the Hebrew letter shin ש into the middle of the Tetragrammaton divine name yod-he-vau-he יהוה to produce the form yod-he-shin-vau-he .

Hermetic Qabalah Tree "correspondence"
Giovanni Pico della Mirandola an Italian Renaissance nobleman and philosopher, promoted a syncretic worldview combining Platonism, Neoplatonism, Aristotelianism, marrying the Magia, hermetism, Kabbalism, Orphic incantations under the guise of licit magic; though not altogether safe, since there are good angels as well as star demons. His 900 theses on religion, philosophy, natural philosophy, and magic against all comers, and particularly the Oration on the Dignity of Man, has been considered the Manifesto of the Renaissance, and a key text of Renaissance humanism and of what has been called the Hermetic Reformation. Man no longer is a banished repentant and spectator of god; but once again, one who draws potentiality and operates power. The 900 Theses was the first printed book to be universally banned by the Church.


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That's when he said something that many years later would change my life. He said "You know, at this stage, you probably know and remember more about my work than I have. And you might be very impressed with the work I've done, you might think it is incredible. But you know what? I am having just a difficult time in this moment with you as you are with me, and if we can't bring anything into the moment with each other and connect, its all bullshit. Thats what its for, to make a connection with someone else, not just to have a grand idea in your head that you think explains everything. If no one can share that with you or it can't be used to make a sincere connection, what good is it?"

 

Yes Timothy Leary ain't dead when one takes this as the essence of his teaching beyond the naming and categorizing of genital hairs as viewed from circuit number nine, number nine, number nine...or whatever other infinite number may come to mind in a halo of color, sound or whatever....

 

 


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a belief system that came from Moses at Mount Sinai who received two items from God

Wait a millisecond or two!  I need to get a better grip on this statement.

QBL is a belief system?  I guess one has to believe that G=3, etc.  But, really, QBL is more like the Times Tables (3x3=9, etc) or the stock market ticker tape (do they still use ticker tape?).

I suppose that one would need to believe that any two words that add up to the same number are the same "force" (Thelema = 93 = Agape). But then I've seen two identically-numbered words that make no sense in relation to each other, so I don't believe in that theorem.

And this "God" who gave QBL to Moses is (theoretically) YHVH, the local tribal demon, is not (in my belief system) the universal un-namable God. Plus, I remember the 10 Rules being delivered on Sinai, but I don't remember the part where YHVH gave Moshe any QBL.

Finally, for now at least, I remember QBL being a system to "Order the Mind," not a belief system that gets one into Heaven.

All this that I have written above is my current belief system. It's pretty confusing. I think I'll shift over to Tibetan or Chinese; this QBL stuff is too confusing.

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although some believe that Kabbalah began with Adam

Oh, so now we take the big stretch. Believing all the way back to our common, first ancestor, the daddy prototype for everyone, even Xon and Los and the Demon Crowley.

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deriving the Hebrew name of Jesus by adding the Hebrew letter shin ש into the middle of the Tetragrammaton divine name yod-he-vau-he יהוה to produce the form yod-he-shin-vau-he .

Okay, I believe this part is true.

I'm glad we got that settled once and forever.

 


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I dont see why we would need to map Leary's Neurologic onto the Tree of life (into a base10 system). 

I see a great value in such a wedging. The circuits line up just fine from 1 to 7 with Malkuth up to Chesed. The 8th circuit (which is full of aliens, ufos, and is defined as "no biological container required") match Binah to a "T" (or an "X" or whatever other letter fits).

Now, that's the end of the 8-circuit model. It is also the end of the 10-sphere model because QBL fails to work above the abyss. This is sometimes forgotten and folks will run on about the Supernal Triad, and its parts, stating all kinds of false things.

It is my assigned task to correlate any and all systems in order to demonstrate that "there is no divergent stream within the Kingdom of Heaven." Since I already buzzed through the neurocircuits in a Chapter of The Master Codex, I certainly have no "need" to go through it again. Let me know if you want a copy of that Chapter.

It doesn't matter if it's 33 degrees, 30 AEthyrs, 10 spheres, 7 rays, the 3 Grades, or whatever else. There is only one continuum or spectrum of consciousness and (so far) I've managed to fit everything into its place. But always with the understanding that all form, and all linear concepts, stop working at the abyss, and rational thought must give way to wu-wei.


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Now, that's the end of the 8-circuit model. It is also the end of the 10-sphere model because QBL fails to work above the abyss. This is sometimes forgotten and folks will run on about the Supernal Triad, and its parts, stating all kinds of false things.

 

At first when i read this, I was like "of course, the supernals are just Tao that makes sense and dont need to be counted in the same way" but that's the rub, they are counted in the same way in the Tree.

And if we do decide to count with your recommendation (3 in 1, 1 in 8, which makes sense to me), then we would tend to arrive at 24 stages or 24 "trump cards" with two missing as Leary suggested, no?

So are we putting Leary in the Tree, or the Tree in Leary? 😆 

 

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It is my assigned task to correlate any and all systems in order to demonstrate that "there is no divergent stream within the Kingdom of Heaven." Since I already buzzed through the neurocircuits in a Chapter of The Master Codex, I certainly have no "need" to go through it again. Let me know if you want a copy of that Chapter

hmmm, I am unfamiliar with your work or this work in particular that you mention so that would be really lovely thank you!

From what little you just told me about the Master Codex, the core principle appears to make sense and match my experience broadly, I just dont have the tree as the anchor for all like you have arrived at. For me the question would be Why would the tree be the "root base" and not, for example, the bagua or iching which is arguably older?

I suppose I would need to see how you arrived using the tree as the base system, as from my POV  we see many more octave based systems than 10 based.

Honestly I always had issues attempting to make the tree work elegantly with everything, but thats because I'm not that smart. 

 

 

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