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14/11/2020 11:03 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

?!

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I mention "high energy" etc.

Yes - that was like new-age waffle. Were there "positive vibrations" involved in this at the same time?

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Yeah see the post above about three or four posts ago

To be sure, you mean:

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why don't you describe the imprint, or imprinting process, that you can get into ?

High energy friendly-dominant ; not feeling pissed off or hard done by?  How's that sound?   

Sounds Vague?  Ridiculous??  And it doesn't answer the question (mine or tiger's). 

This is the very phrase ('high energy') that R.A.W. used to describe Leary and the latter's meditation students (inmates) when R.A.W. visited him in prison.    Check your copy of Cosmic Trigger if you have one.

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  And it doesn't answer the question (mine or tiger's).  Let me paraphrase in clearer fashion: what you're saying is you're posing posting here as an Adeptus Minor (within/ without) most of the time?

Getting to the heart of the matter,

N Joy

So Tiger asked the entity known as david/Dom to "describe the imprint ..(he) can get into

 

Imprint ; noun

 

an occasion when an object presses on something and leaves a mark:
The buttonhadleftan imprint on myarm.
 
You, in your usual nitpicking manner,  are trying to get me to repeat my answer but in A'A' speak.  Maybe i don't do A'A' speak as I consider it to be staid and naff.   
 
 
Many people may go through the ordeals and attain the degrees of the A.'. A.'. without ever hearing that such an Order exists. The universe is, in fact, busy with nothing else" ALEISTER CROWLEY
 
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14/11/2020 11:04 am  
...here's a few quotes from AC on the matter (apologies for double post) but R.A.W.'s talk of circuits takes the mystical bullshit out of it

From Liber Aleph (written 1918, published later):

Crowley wrote:

Give Ear, give Ear attentively; the Will is not lost; though it be buried beneath a life-old midden of Repressions, for it persisteth vital within thee (is it not the true Motion of thine inmost Being?)


From Magick Without Tears (written 1940s, published 1954):

Crowley wrote:

As you travel inward, you become able to perceive all the layers which surround the `Self' from within

 

From the Confessions, where Crowley explains to J.W.N. Sullivan:

Crowley wrote:

You, being a man, are therefore a star. The soul of a star is what we call genius. You are a genius. This fact is obscured by moral complexes which enmesh it, or lack of adequate machinery to express it in terms of action.

Liber LXV wrote:

But I have called unto Thee, and I have journeyed unto Thee, and it availed me not. I waited patiently, and Thou wast with me from the beginning.

...

Yet all the while Thou was hidden therein, as the Lord of Silence is hidden in the buds of the lotus.

...

Many things I beheld mediate and immediate; but, beholding them no more, I beheld Thee.

 

 

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14/11/2020 11:19 am  
Posted by: @dom

If anyone is playing the spiritual-pride card it's Barter

I was joshing, but apparently I've touched some sort of exposed nerve and some people think it's worth getting worked up for and defensive about (even on your own behalf)

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Barter wants me to use metaphysical hogwash

You're doing that fine yourself anyway (ha!) but as I've had to tell you more than once before, it's Mister Barter to you, O nameless Dom/David - were you in the army or at public (nb, private to Americans) school?

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Jamie-if I may: where do you see yourself on Crowley's neo-GD schematic? I'm hoping you won't offer a clever and evasive answer.

You may. To be honest I don't see a great deal of value in it myself, operating as it does from flawed premises.  Unless one is Grady Grade jumping, the idea is to have carried out the work of the degree before one can claim it and advance to the next, all the way up the ladder greasy pole Tree.  However one of the very early Tasks (that of the Neophyte him/her self) is to obtain "perfect control" of the Astral Plane, and of the Zelator to have achieved "complete success" in both asana and pranayama.  I cannot claim to have done so; and anyone else likewise cannot truly be said to have advanced to the lofty heights of Practicus and beyond either.

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

It's a simple One out of 10. Where do you peg yourself?

Gerald Suster told me that Israel Regardie, whenever asked this question, always used to reply "Student".  He adopted this, and I also follow suit on the same basis that we are all of us busy learning something all of the time.  Why don'tcha ask Shiva?  If I was that preoccupied with people's position as you seem to suggest, surely I would have interrogated him about his claim I read recently to have crossed the Abyss roundabout '81?  He must have made a lot more progress since then, particularly if he gives his chosen "Word" as "Agape" - but then again, Ipsissimi aren't ever meant to declare, are they? 😉 

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14/11/2020 1:06 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

 

I was joshing,

Bullshit.

 

It's ok, learn from it. 

 

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

 

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Jamie-if I may: where do you see yourself on Crowley's neo-GD schematic? I'm hoping you won't offer a clever and evasive answer.

You may. To be honest I don't see a great deal of value in it myself, operating as it does from flawed premises.  Unless one is Grady Grade jumping, the idea is to have carried out the work of the degree before one can claim it and advance to the next, all the way up the ladder greasy pole Tree.  However one of the very early Tasks (that of the Neophyte him/her self) is to obtain "perfect control" of the Astral Plane, and of the Zelator to have achieved "complete success" in both asana and pranayama.  I cannot claim to have done so; and anyone else likewise cannot truly be said to have advanced to the lofty heights of Practicus and beyond either.

Never mind all that Victorian romantic mystical poetic-gush bullshit, do you or do you not generally function from BRAIN 5 in your daily economic struggle?  As follows;  

 

. (Leary and Wilson)The neurosomatic circuit

This is concerned with neurological-somatic feedbacks, feeling high and blissful, somatic reprogramming, etc. It may be called the rapture circuit.

When this circuit is activated, a non-conceptual feeling of well-being arises. This has a beneficial effect on the health of the physical body

The fifth circuit is consciousness of the body. There is a marked shift from linear visual space to an all-encompassing aesthetic sensory space.

 

Perceptions are judged not so much for their meaning and utility, but for their aesthetic qualities.

 Experience of this circuit often accompanies the following;

 

1.   hedonistic "turn-on"

 

2. , a rapturous amusement

 

3. a detachment from the previously compulsive mechanism of the first four circuits.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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14/11/2020 8:13 pm  
Posted by: @dom

... beholding them no more, I beheld Thee.

I read all your quotes. Bible-thumping, but using AC'S "Thouest" works. Yes, he is saying the same thing that Jung said in Psych 101. We all know about the layers and the repressions. What (further) about them?

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Bullshit.  It's ok, learn from it. 

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a detachment from the previously compulsive mechanism of the first four circuits.

aHA, AND FINALLY-HO, WE HAVE A DEMONSTRATION (Caps Lock released) of the 2nd Circuit. Many quotes of superiority, or at least competency. Smelly barnyard lingo. Me over you. You under me. Say, "Yes Sir!" when you address me. What we need is a dojo, free of viruses, where everyone can go to show and blow. Welcome to the second pylon of Circuit 2. I note that the 5th is coming hard into play, gracefully - not hard at all - and this is the circuit where people "get high," or attain to euphoria. This is the space wherein the true aspirant is supposed to take advantage of his/her detachment from the pomposity of the first 4 and invoke his/her "Angel." You know: "Without and/or Within."

 


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14/11/2020 8:25 pm  

@shiva

 

How about telling the whole story in your gotcha analysis i.e. JamieBarter's domination attempts in the lead up to those selected quotes of mine.

Anyway I've said enough about my Brain 5 situation and yes we're still discussing Brain 2.   Can we correlate Freud's Oral stage and Anal stage to brains 1 and 2?   

Sadness plays a massive part in the crawling baby stage as a booster.  Anger plays a massive part in the toddler phase for the child.

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14/11/2020 9:52 pm  

Of course we would run out of Freuds after Circuit 3, so let's not, and say we did.

Have an exotic cheroot or two, david, and none will doubt your 5th Circuit cred. Or maybe stop bickering?


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14/11/2020 11:32 pm  
Posted by: @dom

How about telling the whole story in your gotcha analysis i.e. JamieBarter's domination attempts in the lead up to those selected quotes of mine.

I refuse, under an Oath of my own invention, to reveal the civil names of any living person. I see the thread is getting very personal. Since euphoria can be experienced as a 2nd circuit "feeling good," we'll have to wait 'til #5 to see what fits where. I will admit to trying to stay neutral and Norma is after your logic and expression, while you are "not quite" being logical (Bible-thumping quotes do not count - you must express your direct experience, then prove it, and NormaN will go away if you do it right).

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 Can we correlate Freud's Oral stage and Anal stage to brains 1 and 2?

Yes. Sucking up nourishment (through the Oral), and Shit for brains via the lower rear duct.

 


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14/11/2020 11:43 pm  
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Of course we would run out of Freuds after Circuit 3, so let's not, and say we did.

Have an exotic cheroot or two, david, and none will doubt your 5th Circuit cred. Or maybe stop bickering?

I said 'Freud' not 'Feuds'.

 

Maybe I'm missing your joke.  Maybe it was a Freudian slip or perhaps a witty observation intentionally using a Freudian slip and I'm now ruining the joke.   Either way smoke another one for me.    

 

@shiva

 

Anger and authority and one's proper place in the family/world all this is 'imprinted' at the toddler stage.  My mother used to walk away from me in the supermarket when I had public tantrums haha.

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15/11/2020 2:27 am  
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Maybe I'm missing your joke.  Maybe it was a Freudian slip or perhaps a witty observation intentionally using a Freudian slip and I'm now ruining the joke.

Well, Freud had a "phallic" stage, I believe. So there's at least one circuit/stage to go (it will be #4). Where do we find a place in the Freuian/Feudian paradigm?

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public tantrums haha.

freud

Oh, really? Now we're getting somewhere. Tell me all about it. You still have 47 minutes left before we must stop.

 


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15/11/2020 12:24 pm  

Now that we have got the datum, abode, and basis, from which the entity david/dom dispatches to churn up, find support and a platform for attestation; lets fine tune to the next circuit.


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15/11/2020 12:38 pm  
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Now that we have got the datum, abode, and basis, from which the entity david/dom dispatches to churn up, find support and a platform for attestation; lets fine tune to the next circuit.

Circuit 2 is ego, "who I think I am" ( in the world) . Toddler-anger is literally a way of asking for authority so it knows for sure where he is, who he is and what the world actually is.  Only then can it manoeuvre around the world happily...more so.    In the UK those with Circuit 2 issues are given monikers such as  'ar_eshole', 'a pain in the ass' , 'a bum' , a 'sh1t-house'  or a 'gob-sh1te' (note the anal stage Circuit 2 semantics). 

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15/11/2020 2:42 pm  

In the UK those with Circuit 2 issues are given monikers such as 'ar_eshole', 'a pain in the ass' , 'a bum' , a 'sh1t-house' or a 'gob-sh1te' (note the anal stage Circuit 2 semantics).

What you don’t have the exceptional manvure, which we do here, called American grate ism ?


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15/11/2020 9:08 pm  
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Circuit 2 is ego

Actually, there is a division hither homeward between Ego and ego. Of the little ego, at circuit 2, it is often said, "Oh, he has a big ego." Or, "Oh, he's a wimp." At #2, it is not a matter of "thinking" who we are - it is a matter of how we "inherently feel" in relation to others. It is so "subconscious" that those others will utter their words ... and the individual may not even know what the others are talking about. This stuff is much more subtle and hardwired that what we "think." The Ego is the sense of I Am Me. and , yes, we have thoughts there about who we are - when we focus on that. Ego (big E) is synonymous with Soul, and this is Tiph-Geb-Ches stuff, which is the causal plane and some higher circuits. Those phrases you use in the UK are disgusting. I will consider whether my partial English ancestry needs DNA modification.

The first 4 circuits are Layers of Clothing put on over the Ego (Soul). The sense of I Am is pure in everyone. It's the four outer layers that make everyone different, some with disgusting habits.

 


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15/11/2020 10:04 pm  

Am I alive or am I dead?

Shut yer gob you stupid Ned

Everyone wants something

But What if something is nothing 

What if this is all a shit play for gobshites

To learn how to play nice

In the next life?

 

Or .

Is.

Nothing.

Nothing?


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15/11/2020 11:06 pm  
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Actually, there is a division hither homeward between Ego and ego. Of the little ego, at circuit 2, it is often said, "Oh, he has a big ego." Or, "Oh, he's a wimp." At #2, it is not a matter of "thinking" who we are - it is a matter of how we "inherently feel" in relation to others. It is so "subconscious" that those others will utter their words ... and the individual may not even know what the others are talking about. This stuff is much more subtle and hardwired that what we "think." The Ego is the sense of I Am Me. and , yes, we have thoughts there about who we are - when we focus on that. Ego (big E) is synonymous with Soul, and this is Tiph-Geb-Ches stuff, which is the causal plane and some higher circuits. Those phrases you use in the UK are disgusting. I will consider whether my partial English ancestry needs DNA modification.

The first 4 circuits are Layers of Clothing put on over the Ego (Soul). The sense of I Am is pure in everyone. It's the four outer layers that make everyone different, some with disgusting habits.

 

Yeah so what is it within us that makes us think (wrongly) that we are our terrestrial circuits?  I guess we can label that as 'Ruach'. 

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16/11/2020 1:26 am  
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Yeah so what is it within us that makes us think (wrongly) that we are our terrestrial circuits?

If anyone is performing any maneuver in any lower circuit, it would be foolish to think, "I am not this physical person, performing a physical task. This seems to be a common confusion of the planes and the circuits ... Anything is valid and true on its own plane. The application of higher circuits/sphere rationale to, say, the physical plane while running a chainsaw might result in the lose of digits, limbs, or noses (and then you can't breathe).


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16/11/2020 8:10 am  
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Posted by: @dom

Yeah so what is it within us that makes us think (wrongly) that we are our terrestrial circuits?

If anyone is performing any maneuver in any lower circuit, it would be foolish to think, "I am not this physical person, performing a physical task. This seems to be a common confusion of the planes and the circuits ... Anything is valid and true on its own plane. The application of higher circuits/sphere rationale to, say, the physical plane while running a chainsaw might result in the lose of digits, limbs, or noses (and then you can't breathe).

No I didn't mean using tools or machinery I meant that e.g. someone can be lost in resentment that their neighbour just bought a new and bigger car or their boyfriend has a new girlfriend and seems happier.  In both cases the person lost in those emotions  thinks that they actually are the lower circuit generating those emotions.

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16/11/2020 10:39 am  
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No I didn't mean using tools or machinery I meant that e.g. someone can be lost in resentment that their neighbour just bought a new and bigger car or their boyfriend has a new girlfriend and seems happier.  In both cases the person lost in those emotions  thinks that they actually are the lower circuit generating those emotions.

This has become far too deep for me in the "thinking" department, at this moment.


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16/11/2020 2:57 pm  

A circuit in the mind expanse
of the brain division
thinking.
Actually
generating
identity;
up reaching
disorientation,
of the down reaching
observer observing observer,
to see;
that which the eye cannot see
in refection of a mirror.


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16/11/2020 8:41 pm  
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up reaching ... disorientation ... of the down reaching

Please order an oxygen unit. Breathe deeply. Then hold. Five minutes will do. It will all go away.

 


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16/11/2020 11:18 pm  
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No I didn't mean using tools or machinery I meant that e.g. someone can be lost in resentment that their neighbour just bought a new and bigger car or their boyfriend has a new girlfriend and seems happier.  In both cases the person lost in those emotions  thinks that they actually are the lower circuit generating those emotions.

This has become far too deep for me in the "thinking" department, at this moment.

It isn't a 'thinking' process as such.

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17/11/2020 7:31 am  
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It isn't a 'thinking' process as such.

I believe I said that in the first place.


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Maybe that’s his 5th circuit operating
wagging his tail. 


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18/11/2020 8:59 pm  

I see the entire Hall of Forums (Forumi?) has slowed down for the moment, or the day. Everybody's left the building on the 5th Amendment neurocircuit. So that leaves you and me to fight over dominance in the 2nd. I say we just split the difference, synthesize it, and move on to the 3rd ...


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18/11/2020 10:46 pm  
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I see the entire Hall of Forums (Forumi?) has slowed down for the moment, or the day. Everybody's left the building on the 5th Amendment neurocircuit. So that leaves you and me to fight over dominance in the 2nd. I say we just split the difference, synthesize it, and move on to the 3rd ...

It's the recent New Moon, the canines and primates are affected including me. 

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19/11/2020 12:25 am  

The 3rd neurocircuit operates out of Hod. This will prove to be problematic, because many folks misunderstand the function of that Orange sphere. Superficially, it governs Manual Dexterity and Verbal Expression Skills (including Writing or Typing), and a bit more not included in the Leary/Wilson exposition.


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19/11/2020 8:38 am  
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The 3rd neurocircuit operates out of Hod. This will prove to be problematic, because many folks misunderstand the function of that Orange sphere. Superficially, it governs Manual Dexterity and Verbal Expression Skills (including Writing or Typing), and a bit more not included in the Leary/Wilson exposition.

Pecking order in hens.  Rank is established, some are bossed about and they get the crumbs left over.  "Crumbs from a rich man's table"?  

 

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19/11/2020 12:01 pm  

Flesh and blood from between the fangs of the drooling canine grinning beneath the moon shadowing forth shapeshifters and posters
breathing walls and forgotten entrances into the moment closing behind the door around evermore enclosed flowing colors emerge from the dark and light angles reflect others together rates of vibration that seemed to be non existent and signals and impulses from other planes of awareness. Take a breath. A creative unfolding of each moment in the cauldron of simultaneous selves. The noticer is making statements, the listener is interpreting, the data collector gathering, moving back and forth sealing and validating cognition through recognition. Mind creates the continuity to sustain the view. A single being presents to the world as operating, though a multiniverse is active.

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Incense rises from the silver thurible above a pearly white altar.
the smoke reveals forms against the violet walls.
Forms of libraries, Universities and dialogs at the crossroads,
collecting.
In the horizon Divine Pomander with the Emerald Tablet.
You with all the knowledge you have to take you into new territory.
A Desert A Garden farm.
A Rose outside a walled enclosure on a green mound,
Twelve rays expanding freely.
Mercurial children dancing.


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20/11/2020 3:55 pm  

I once left the pub with my girlfriend, there was another couple coming our way.  My girlfriend put her head on my shoulder and when we got near to the other couple I could see that the female was pissed off i.e. jealous probably because  she couldn't put her head on his shoulder. This is mammalian circuit 2 politics in action, it's not all about male ape-men.

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20/11/2020 9:38 pm  
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I once left the pub with my girlfriend, there was another couple coming our way.  My girlfriend put her head on my shoulder and when we got near to the other couple I could see that the female was pissed off i.e. jealous probably because  she couldn't put her head on his shoulder. This is mammalian circuit 2 politics in action, it's not all about male ape-men.

Yes - she (the female with the tired head) was clearly pissed off with her mate (the other male)realizing that she would be having a much much better time of it if she was going out with you instead!

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A Desert A Garden farm.
A Rose outside a walled enclosure on a green mound,
Twelve rays expanding freely.
Mercurial children dancing

... and a partridge in a pear tree.

Ee-aye-eee-ay-oh!

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21/11/2020 10:56 am  

Its around that season
to put on that
mistletoe hat
With some chicks
And a moo-moo here
With a moo-moo there
And a cluck-cluck here
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22/11/2020 12:30 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

The 3rd neurocircuit operates out of Hod. This will prove to be problematic, because many folks misunderstand the function of that Orange sphere. Superficially, it governs Manual Dexterity and Verbal Expression Skills (including Writing or Typing), and a bit more not included in the Leary/Wilson exposition.

Do all of the primates have this?  Homo sapiens sapiens can write and speak but the other primates never designed an alphabet. 

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22/11/2020 7:45 pm  
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Do all of the primates have this? 

It seems (no absolutism here) so.The primates have limbs, thus they have a limbic brain. They have some form of communication (squeaks, grunts, howls, moans, maybe even sign-lingo in the more advanced species.They use their limbs and digits to do work. They do not seem to "write," that talent being limited to humans.

Generally, the answer is yes, but here is where the animals and the humans become much different ... obviously because our Hod is a big ballroom filled with complexities, while the animals must get along with a closet. (Close = limited storage).

Note that Hod 3rd circuit development results in a diminished capacity to be aware of certain "animal instincts" that most of the animals have.

 


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