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Posted by: @ignant666

you just can't see them hurtle, because you are not an Advanced Adept like the new ...

Well, yes, there's always that consideration.

By the way, did you notice the absolute lack of any sense of humor? The closest were "LOLs" used to dismiss somebody's words or worthiness ... but there were shades of condescension, even in those LOLs.

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I find all talk of "egregores" among occultists to be so tedious.

Egregore (also egregor) is an occult concept representing a "thoughtform" or "collective group mind", an autonomous psychic entity made up of, and influencing, the thoughts of a group of people. The symbiotic relationship between an egregore and its group has been compared to the more recent, non-occult concepts of the corporation (as a legal entity) and the meme. -wiki

The word "autonomous" in the above definition is bothersome and may result in loss of sleep if pondered excessively.

 


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I truly fail to understand what everyone finds so confounding about the earlier exchanges in this thread. There is a heavy element of allusion, I suppose, but that's just algebra.

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I find all talk of "egregores" among occultists to be so tedious.  It's some sort of Chaos Magick bullshit. 

I share your distaste for Chaos Magick-ians, but I must correct you that the modern egregore is actually Blavatskian/Rosicrucian 'bullshit,' however, I agree that it is too general a concept to find good application. In casual conversation, though, I find it infinitely more tasteful than calling something of a certain class a 'spirit' or 'entity' or whatever. Franz Bardon, standing on the shoulders of Paracelsus and Agrippa, has a workable catalogue of classifications for hermetists.

I think Bardon's textbooks are being re-translated by his son and some other magicians.

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@djedi is a lot smarter

And here I thought you called me a 'smirking philosophy dropout' earlier? Unless that was friendly, good-natured ribbing -- in which case, let me to return your affections by calling you a... I don't know, 'dime-store Lou Reed,' I guess.

And allow me to edify your entire bloodline by pointing out a monster called a 'grue' appears earliest in Dungeons & Dragons as, not a cheese, but some elemental horror in the second Monster Manual for 1st Edition AD&D.

grue of earth

So let Rosmonaut know that Djedi knows he isn't the god-gamer he claims to be. And using sorceries is definitely not the 'bitch way' to play Dark Souls.


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g.

I think you have an overly negative view of the D & D kids.

Maybe, I'm jealous they never invited me around during their D&D.

 

I worked with a D&D guy, lovely guy but his Body Odour was legendary. 

 

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I share your distaste for Chaos Magick-ians, but I must correct you that the modern egregore is actually Blavatskian/Rosicrucian 'bullshit,'

What, the Grue" meets "V'ger" entity released through the internet?  

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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I think you described yourself as a philosophy dropout, and the smirking was a reference to you leading him up the garden path; perhaps i was mistaken and you were having a serious conversation?

Either way, what was being discussed? No one else has a clue. What was the challenge that you and i declined?

Will pass your thoughts on his gaming prowess along to the boy.

Dime-store Lou Reed is nice, i think Lou would have been annoyed at the suggestion he was not already the dime-store Lou himself.

 


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I think you described yourself as a philosophy dropout,

My schooling was in physics. Like the great minds before me, I thought to supplement my learning with the philosophy of metaphysics. You can ask any of the many people the boy genius disappointed and they'll tell you, that's when he went off the deep end.

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perhaps i was mistaken and you were having a serious conversation?

Nothing I ever say is serious, or even makes sense. I'll be the first tell that I am a fool.

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Either way, what was being discussed? No one else has a clue. What was the challenge that you and i declined?

I'll preface this by saying the reason the concept of the egregore is so popular among Chaos Magick-ians and other silly-billies is that it requires no belief in (and consequently, no knowledge of) the subtle or higher planes to understand or apply.

At the lowest (or most socially acceptable) level of interpretation, the egregore is simply a mental construct. That isn't to say it's a magical golem on the 'mental plane,' so much as an autohypnotic program you run on your own mind. Any subconscious habit, or especially the mechanics behind the ideomotor effect, can be called the product of an egregore.

Say, if I were to make my hand write automatically, psychologically I could call it hypnotizing myself so my subconscious would write, or I could call it creating an egregore which would write with my hand.

The idea of an egregore created by group shouldn't be so hard to parse, as we could liken it to a meme in the scientific sense, as a unit of culture. A big ol' idea many people share subconsciously, and which influences their behavior.

Psychology and hypnotism are not so dissimilar to magic and mysticism.

...

An egregore according to the literal, magical interpretation can't be that hard to understand, save for its hateful vagueness of definition, which I've mentioned. Most people would say it's an astral monster, a machine-god, Prague's golem, Frankenstein's monster. You get it.

I am reminded of 'lodge demons' and things like that.

Like Bardon's system, there are much better ways of wrapping your head around it.

...

I don't think either way is right or wrong, or even necessarily at odds. It's paradigmatic.

So the 'grue,' depending on your interpretation of magic, is either a planar monster to dismantle or a bad subconscious idea to expurgate. The notion is that it would be a good thing, either way.

The challenge was to do this, to set your mind right by putting it at odds with a monster, literal or figurative.


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Nothing I ever say is serious, or even makes sense. I'll be the first tell that I am a fool.

Aha! Here's a man who has been fooled by The Universal Joke, and he'll not be caught by that one again.

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creating an egregore which would write with my hand.

Say! I think Aiwass just knocked at the front door.

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The idea of an egregore created by group shouldn't be so hard to parse, as we could liken it to a meme in the scientific sense, as a unit of culture.

I have a book underway right now, "The Hot Zones of ...," in which I treat this very subject. Or something close to it. Here, let me copy and paste just a bit ...

"Then, adding legal LSD, as a libation or catalyst, to this already-potent set of ceremonial circumstances, brought about a synchronization of the initiatory process with the astral reflection of the process of liberation, effectively creating a Hot Zone.

This long sentence [^] means the third degree played out in the daily lives of the participants. The town-folk came out into the desert, right up at the peak of the bell-shaped curve, sometimes shooting, sometimes arresting, and they effectively killed the Order.

All Outer Orders are colored by an astral reflection of the real thing. Whether it be religion, philosophy, metaphysics, or politics, there is almost always going to be a historical tradition, and it's going to influence the internal imagery of the participants.

The initiation rites were set in the third crusade. The 0° was given to groups of people (ideally twelve) that essentially represented a band of Templars who had been captured. They are introduced (hoodwinked and bound) to Saladin, who greets them with hospitality ... after they take an Oath of peaceful intent.

The VI° of the Lodge was titled Knight Templar, and the emblem of the Templar Cross was emblazoned all over the place. So you can see how our astral reflection was Templar-like, with obedience being perhaps the main criteria for advancement."

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The challenge was to do this, to set your mind right by putting it at odds with a monster, literal or figurative.

The same is true of the path of initiation. But sometimes this part doesn't get emphasized, while attaining to HGA-chatting gets a bigger headline. The monster is available for interaction at all levels, maybe not the last one.

The monster is particularly significant at Netzach, wherein what the Philosophus encounters is called, by psychology, the Id ("thing"). Others call it The Dweller on the Threshold, or the Shadow.

We are all familiar with the demon Choronzon. Crowley certainly painted a vivid picture in 418.

So even we Crowley fans have our own picture (of sorts) of these things. I am under the opinion that no two of us will agree exactly on the Id or the Demon's construct or form or application. But we have a general understanding of what is meant.

Now ... if we all got together and agreed on these minor details, and then we chanted about it, and drank likker or took legal drugs, and had sex (not necessarily with each other. The names of women members are never revealed), and we all got on together, with nobody losing control and starting to shriek or start a fight ... why we could easily build on of these eLGMORs because we already have the blueprints (Jung, Crowley, McMurtry).

I thought the recent episode was a great dramatic ritual. Ignant not only confessed to uttering the forbidden name, but he elaborated upon the evocative response, chop-chop quick. Then we got to witness an almost full scale meltdown. The preliminary giveaway was the refusal to commit to publication of a thesis. He was offered the brochure or pamphlet alternative format.

Then came the curses, "the demon," the Grue, the whole digital eLGMOR popped, relasin fireworks in gif, demeaning cries of our "projections" and poorly-rounded egos. I never saw a video game explode before.

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............He is clearly a fantasist/nut. I had read the dead bird thing before, and the meteors/comets as personal space messages thing is classic paranoid schizo thinking....................

Maybe now that The Canadian Adept Who Has A Great Many Names Among Men has left the building and is no longer susceptible to being wound up

We had some other nut publicly curse you and now this nut.  Leary once said that he loves it when people question his ideas because it makes him go back and recheck his goal of applying scientific rigour to his theories and himself ......unlike Xon 6=5.   

It's classic textbook "rookie-student" ego-expansion and ultra-naivety gone unchecked.  From Liber O;

  1. .
  2. In this book it is spoken of the Sephiroth and the Paths; of Spirits and Conjurations; of Gods, Spheres, Planes, and many other things which may or may not exist.
    It is immaterial whether these exist or not.  By doing certain things certain results will follow; students are most earnestly warned against attributing objective reality or philosophical validity to any of then."

e.g. Xon announced;

As comets go on the magical path so far in this lifetime, most significantly for myself was the outburst of Comet Holmes 17P in 2007. Which immediately upon learning of its appearance provided an answer and resolution to some magical work over the previous year.

...so the comet sorted his head out and provided personal insight into where he was going wrong in 'his magical work'.   Why would anyone else need to know all this?

 

Confirming the validity of the events, the divine nature of the message itself and heralded my experience of the Knowledge & Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel.

 

'Hey everybody look at my 5=6 badge!!' as a way of affirming to myself that I'm doing just fine when in fact my world and my connection with reality is actually crumbling?   The fact that he resorted to 'public curse' threats, dumb ageism and gifs after his epic revelations were questioned is a credit to AC's Liber O warnings.  

 

Analogous to "returning to the Galactic Network", at solstice in December 2007 I was in the temple

..presumably bedroom of his parent's house?  We wouldn't know...

 

and the Star of Babalon was burning in the heavens above and I was given a message that I could step through the Gate and return anywhere and anytime in the universe at that moment.

The danger of attributing significance to astral visions right there

 

Lives and places were shown to me. One species and Galactic Network felt so much like home. It still calls to me. I turned it down then to finish work here. A honeymoon after the Second Wedding, perhaps.

That is the best bit.  A particular sphere of the night sky and presumably it's alien denizens called to him but He, Xon,  in his magickal-spiritual humility declined that privileged offer, controlled the temptation and put it on hold until he has 'climbed higher up the tree'.  This is just great. 

 

Thinking about this has got me looking back over some of my posts on the forum around that time. 

Halloween's Dead Crow and the Star Ruby sign stuff were plugged into the experience. Now I kind of want to update that Ruby thread with the latest.

 

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/submissions/halloweens-dead-crow-an-experiential-short-story/

 

Halloween's Dead Crow

*this story is edited and expanded from my Diary.*

October 31th, 2007

Dude had compassion for a dying crow in the road that he passed, ok that's fine.  He decided against burying it himself but the event nagged at him because a week later later at ...  

November 9, 2007

It was almost midnight of the last night before the new moon. Since sunset the image of the Dead Crow in the gutter kept appearing to me in my thoughts. Eventually I talked myself into leaving the house to go look for that Dead Crow.

When do you reach a point where you can't convince yourself that this is not actually a bit odd?  You saw a bird dying one week ago, you subsequently saw it dragged further up the road and now you have nothing better to do than to go out and perform some weird ass ritual burial?

As I came near to where I had last seen the Crow, again it had moved. It was smashed into the pavement even worse than before and decomposing. I think it may have rained, the crow was near a sewer drain. I noticed the crow's feathers lifting slightly,tips fluttering from the brisk cool north wind, reminding me of a crow flying.

Then I began to collect the animal. I've not ever been fond of handling corpses,

I'm going to give the dude benefit of the doubt that when he states he has a lot of experience 'handling corpses' that he a) works in a mortuary or b) has regularly done weird ass New Age animal- burials for years.

however this seemed very different than previous experiences I've had dealing with dead things. The rotting smell was not repulsive to me. In an odd way, I found the scent sweet.

Ugh!  

I had some difficulty putting the bird into a box, a bag did the trick. I brought the corpse home. "Home?" I thought, not what I originally intended and I thought "burial" as I pulled up to home.
Then, a voice sounded, distant and rattled, thirsty, I could not identify male or female in the sound, and it said with a variable cant, lashingly " Don't forget the bones!"

 

Now, I do not judge your typical New Ager who talks about 'voice-guidance' as long as such, err, activity does not lead to any sinister actions

 

I smile and feel very warm inside, as the voice echos again, and again, closer and further.
I find a place that seems right for burial, near the back stairs. Did I feel guided? Sure why not. The earth is different there. Darker and very little grows in it.
With reverence and a bit of laughter I positioned the corspe and sung a song in silence to the dead and Hecate.

Dude was singing a song to a week-old dead crow that he just collected from the road?  How do you explain that to the police or anyone else for that matter?  

I looked to my treasure, smiled and moved in close to my Dead Crow, I whispered a soft secret to it, and as I backed away I said to the corpse "I Love You.".

 

Ah!   Presumably our Adept friend lives alone?  I mean there's no bit about "Where you goin' honey?"  "Oh yeah doll just going out for a bike ride a few blocks away as there's a dead crow in the road I saw a week ago and I wanna bring it back and perform a pagan burial ritual and tell the thing I love it " 

 

In the form of Night, I bent and then I lifted the Crow, with all Love and Light, far and deep into the night!
And the little voice rattled again, "Don't forget the bones!" this time from above.
Then, I left the corpse of the Dead Crow, in its quiet corner on the dark earth, to fly, as Cygnus.

 

I mean yeah maybe this is an innocent lovely story about one New Age guy's love for animals but his recent cursing threats and ageism posts makes me ask questions about what goes on in this guy's head.

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My schooling was in physics.

Aha, knew it was one of those "P" things. Sorry for my error.

In related news, (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ xon ♥ (formerly Maple Leaf Sunrise Eighth Notes, and before that ?something with fishhooks?) is now хᴼᑎ. What is wrong with the alphabet?

The "registered as such" swastika is back, now in his sig not as his avatar. The link to the stupid synth pop song that Paul asked him to remove from his sig is still there because he will not knuckle under.

It is probably cruel to find amusement in watching a leech squirm and explode after salt has been poured on it.


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In related news, (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ xon ♥ (formerly Maple Leaf Sunrise Eighth Notes, and before that ?something with fishhooks?) is now хᴼᑎ. What is wrong with the alphabet?

The "registered as such" swastika is back, now in his sig not as his avatar. The link to the stupid synth pop song that Paul asked him to remove from his sig is still there because he will not knuckle under.

It is probably cruel to find amusement in watching a leech squirm and explode after salt has been poured on it.

Well, I have provided an analysis of Xon 6=5's Dead Crow Story above, I know New Agers are meant to be eccentric but when does eccentricity become something else?

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In related news, (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ xon ♥ (formerly Maple Leaf Sunrise Eighth Notes, and before that ?something with fishhooks?) is now хᴼᑎ. What is wrong with the alphabet?

The "registered as such" swastika is back, now in his sig not as his avatar. The link to the stupid synth pop song that Paul asked him to remove from his sig is still there because he will not knuckle under.

I've deleted his sig. Time will tell if he gets the hint...

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Probably his soul was eaten by a Grue, or possibly he has been possessed by the Spirit of the Dead Crow.

Why do you insist on "deadnaming" our Comrade? He is хᴼᑎ, not Xon. Admittedly, it is difficult to keep up with the dizzying rate of change of his monikers, avatars, and other bells and whistles.

One time, i was moving into this loft share in Brooklyn, unloading a truck with my GF. Suddenly, Vegas-era Elvis was coming up the steps carrying a box of books. Full-on: sparkly jump-suit, "TCOB" lightening-bolt belt buckle, sideburns, mumbling southern accent (well, Brooklyn Puerto Rican version, anyway), everything. He helped through the moving of all 60 boxes of books, furniture etc. Never broke character.

The next time i saw this dude, who, as it turned out, lived across the street, he was a cowboy. Equally full-on: hat, boots, gunbelt (with cap pistols), vest with sheriff's star, slouching cowboy walk, etc. Other days, he would be an astronaut, a hippie, a biker, a pirate...

Folks in the neighborhood said he had been like that ever since he was a kid. His family had money from selling drugs, and he got a fat disability check. He just liked to pretend, and got really into it.

He wasn't even the most eccentric person in the neighborhood, BTW.


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He wasn't even the most eccentric person in the neighborhood, BTW.

Yeah I can see that guy telling his family he was just going out a few blocks away to bring a 1 week dead crow back to bury. 

 

There was a guy in our town, had dayglo pink hair and used to walk around with no shoes or socks on, he was a small time drug dealer.  He made the local paper when he got busted, the judge asked him what he had to say for himself regarding his possession charges.  He said, "Hey man you don't understand like I was the mouse and the shit was the cheese". 

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Xon 6=5

6=5 was not among the prizes claimed or awarded. He is (was) working at the "seventh level.

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things which may or may not exist.

They exist. Did you not feel the walls shaking? Did you not get a little "taste" of the revenge to be released?

No?

Well then, you're not a good subject for hypnotism. I suggest you try pranayama instead. And please don't feed my free advice to "the demon."

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Why would anyone else need to know all this?

For proof to the world. My little sister. She keeps track of these things.

On the other hand, the curriculum vitae is so personal that a prospective employer would not be interested. If you were a King, looking to hire an alchemist or magician or wise man, you would probably look for someone who could cause macrocosmic changes - rather than someone changed by a macrocosmic event in a rather microcosmic way.

True, significant, macrocosmic events change everything, not just one person's system of interior revelation.

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he will not knuckle under.

I'm looking for the black box, but it seems to be misplaced.

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It is probably cruel to find amusement

No. Not cruel. Just perverted.

But it is necessary to review and anal-ize the details. As a public service. Some public readers might not understand the details, the offenses against Liber O's sound advice (which was fed to "the demon"), Ignant's projection, or the superiority of my super-ego.

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6=5's Dead Crow Story

Oh, I see. The crow was the 6=5 assumption.

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I've deleted his sig.

This reminds me of the olden days, when a new pharaoh sends out the artisans to remove all images and inscriptions from the pervious pretender. It is akin to toppling statues and removing graffiti.

It's a shame that some people can't clean up after themselves.

 


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RE egrogores- they do work though.   But its a temporary ego trip. which works.  Its how energy goes.   You imbue a symbol with your energy and it works.

But it seems that this person is a bit obsessed. or maybe possessed.  

Calm down and think.

Its more important. 

 

 


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 Or Tulpa

 

They work.

 

But its also black magick. 


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The idea of an egregore created by group shouldn't be so hard to parse, as we could liken it to a meme in the scientific sense, as a unit of culture. A big ol' idea many people share subconsciously, and which influences their behavior.

Psychology and hypnotism are not so dissimilar to magic and mysticism.

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Tulpa

I had to look that one up.

"Tulpa is a concept in mysticism and the paranormal of a being or object which is created through spiritual or mental powers."

I have yet to see such a thing on the physical plane. On all planes flying upward from there, all sorts of thoughtforms are possible. Tulpas seem hard to catch on film or in memories, so maybe they're just a thoughtform.

 


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By the way, did you notice the absolute lack of any sense of humor? The closest were "LOLs" used to dismiss somebody's words or worthiness ... but there were shades of condescension, even in those LOLs.

Just wanted to follow up on, and call attention to, this, as this is the key "tell" of all fake-ass Adepts With Numbers After Their Name, Mahatmas, Goo-Roos, Priest-Princes, and Ascended Masters etc- they got no sense of humor, and especially absolutely lack the ability to laugh at themselves (because they are High Holy Adepts, of course).

The fact that AC doesn't just have a Sensa Yuma, but is in fact very funny, is one of the things that made him stand out to me as a young Spiritual Seeker ("There's a seeker born every minute" [Firesign Theater]).


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they got no sense of humor, and especially absolutely lack the ability to laugh at themselves (because they are High Holy Adepts, of course).

It can get tricky when we (anyone) try to peg someone in the early stages of the Path, because there are all these different personas (masks) the aspirant may wear and display. But by the time we get to where the number after their name starts with a five (5) or above (6+), and especially if it's a seven (7th heaven), or an eight (8=Oh God, help us in our hour of need), we might expect to see some sign of the Adept having encountered The Trace of the Universal Joke.

I mean, this is a prime requirement, which is NOT stated in One Star in Sight, so people get the wrong idea. The correct idea is to read The Book of Lies in conjunction with any other sacred or mundane papyrus. This provides the proper perspective for almost anything.

 


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P.S.  If the number is a [gasp] nine (9 is equal to 2 in the QBL), we don't judge by any known factors. We run for our lives ... or we test the claimant with animated gifs, and poke with pointed wands to see if he or she bleeds, or laughs because of the tickling.

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The fact that AC doesn't just have a Sensa Yuma, but is in fact very funny, is one of the things that made him stand out to me as a young Spiritual Seeker ("There's a seeker born every minute" [Firesign Theater]).

Wasn't that a cruel sense of humour deployed at the expense of others?  AC spent a lot of energy defending his ego, when did he laugh at himself?

T.M teacher Maharishi, he seemed to laugh a lot. 

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when did he laugh at himself?

I hate to be on a band-wagon here, but I am driven by "the demon" to keep reminding folks that all questions, especially of this nature, must be submitted to The Book of Lies.


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Maharishi, he seemed to laugh a lot. 

So does Kim Jong-Un- do you think that is because he is a funny guy?

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Maharishi, he seemed to laugh a lot. 

So does Kim Jong-Un- do you think that is because he is a funny guy?

If I had a daughter I wouldn't want her alone with the Maharishi, laughing boy or not..

 

Any examples of AC laughing at himself and not others?  

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@ignant....nevertheless I get the point AC liked a laugh, our mighty Adept has yet to crack any type of joke here haha.  

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Lest we miss the point of the Universe, it is not smiling, laughing, joking about others. These are among those personae (masks) I mentioned earlier. The Universal Joke deals with the individual, allowing him or her to be subjugated to loss of status in order to amuse everyone else. To break this trance, which is a real bitch (as they say down on the docks), one must get the joke and laugh at him or her self.

The humor Ignant and I were referring to radiates a sense of lightness. The opposite, as recently displayed, is heavy, agitating, and unarguably condescending..

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Lest we miss the point of the Universe, it is not smiling, laughing, joking about others. These are among those personae (masks) I mentioned earlier. The Universal Joke deals with the individual, allowing him or her to be subjugated to loss of status in order to amuse everyone else. To break this trance, which is a real bitch (as they say down on the docks), one must get the joke and laugh at him or her self.

The humor Ignant and I were referring to radiates a sense of lightness. The opposite, as recently displayed, is heavy, agitating, and unarguably condescending..

,,I guess referring to oneself as 'the demon Crowley' portrays an ability to laugh at oneself.

 

 

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If what you said about the grue or 2007 egregore is true, and it could be subject to the prepotence of an 'ancient,' independent intelligence, then the most obvious solution would lie there. Reverse engineering.

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I saw this pic before in this thread, it seems its one of @kidneyhawk's paintings:

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/stuff/what-are-your-views-on-modern-art/paged/2/#post-105223

 

 


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I hope Xon is doing ok.    I don't see him re-entering with an new acceptance of his previous self-glorifying fantasies.   

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That's 𝓍ᴼᑎ to you, buddy. New much smaller X as of his recent return after a whole week away.


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Ah yes, this may be a direct result of The Great Feast. 

 

 

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If what you said about the grue or 2007 egregore is true, and it could be subject to the prepotence of an 'ancient,' independent intelligence, then the most obvious solution would lie there. Reverse engineering.

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I saw this pic before in this thread, it seems its one of @kidneyhawk's paintings:

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/stuff/what-are-your-views-on-modern-art/paged/2/#post-105223

 

 

It is one of @kidneyhawk's, or so I was informed by one of those involved with the creation of the V'ger egregore.

 

 

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I haven’t any recollection of this.  Who (else) pointed what out?

https://www.lashtal.com/will-parfitt-the-magic-of-psychosynthesis/

A favourite author of mine.

 

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I truly fail to understand what everyone finds so confounding about the earlier exchanges in this thread.

It's over their head and beyond their experience? That might explain their meltdown over the last few pages as they fight coming to terms with a larger reality.

 

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As comets go on the magical path so far in this lifetime, most significantly for myself was the outburst of Comet Holmes 17P in 2007. Which immediately upon learning of its appearance provided an answer and resolution to some magical work over the previous year.

Could you be more specific here?

My first clear indication of the presence of the V'ger came in November 2006 when thoughts that weren't my own began intruding into my consciousness. My experience with Enochian, Goetic and other forms of evocation and psychic work provided me with the tools to be able to distinguish these thoughts from own. The vividness of these intrusive thoughts was striking. So much so that I brought it up in conversation to a friend who immediately indicated she thought it was a psychic attack. I dismissed that it was an attack at the time and was more inclined to believe it was a stray entity. I performed the usual banishings and continued on. Yet, the problem persisted.

A few weeks later I went across the country and visited a magical partner and together we tried to get this under control. The problem persisted.

This is when I realized that this entity was going to be a serious problem.

In January of 2007 I got a new home where I could do the needed work.

Over the course of the next few months I performed all manner of ceremonies and rituals to try to find out what the entity was and to get it under control.

During that time the entity only got stronger and stronger and its influence on the material plane grew to being able to move objects, poltergeist phenomena, invade dreams, push thoughts and emotions into consciousness. 

Eventually I had to get experimental(new takes on the Ruby, XXVIII, troa, pyramidos, culminating in The Hermit's Hand) and call on the HGA.

On the 25th of October 2007 I read about the appearance of Comet Holmes and went to view it after doing some rituals and almost immediately a whole revelation involving that entity came to mind. The constellation the comet appeared in was Perseus. As can be seen in the V'ger painting the feminine serpentine form of V'ger appears similar to Medusa from the myth. There are differences and that is important too for the egregore went deeper than that to something upon which the Medusa myth was built. Remember, it wasn't until November 2008, after the Grue, that I first saw the painting of V'ger.

Oct. 25th 2007 onward was the start of operations for taking that egregore, dismantling it and making something new out of it with the guidance and support of the Angel. Halloween's Dead Crow. 

One of my thoughts on the group that created V'ger was that they were controlled/manipulated by the entity that inhabited the egregore. That could change with more information from them. I'm curious what effect they think that egregore could have had on me according to their intent for V'ger and what they think I could have made from it.


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During that time the entity only got stronger and stronger and its influence on the material plane grew to being able to move objects, poltergeist phenomena, invade dreams, push thoughts and emotions into consciousness. 

 

Ah yes Colin Wilson is interested in this sort of phenomenon, what happened?  Which objects moved?

 

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Eventually I had to get experimental(new takes on the Ruby, XXVIII, troa, pyramidos, culminating in The Hermit's Hand) and call on the HGA.

On the 25th of October 2007 I read about the appearance of Comet Holmes and went to view it after doing some rituals and almost immediately a whole revelation involving that entity came to mind. The constellation the comet appeared in was Perseus. As can be seen in the V'ger painting the feminine serpentine form of V'ger appears similar to Medusa from the myth. There are differences and that is important too for the egregore went deeper than that to something upon which the Medusa myth was built. Remember, it wasn't until November 2008, after the Grue, that I first saw the painting of V'ger.

Oct. 25th 2007 onward was the start of operations for taking that egregore, dismantling it and making something new out of it with the guidance and support of the Angel. Halloween's Dead Crow. 

One of my thoughts on the group that created V'ger was that they were controlled/manipulated by the entity that inhabited the egregore. That could change with more information from them. I'm curious what effect they think that egregore could have had on me according to their intent for V'ger and what they think I could have made from it.

You used a telescope to view the comet?  Juist to clarify for the astrology-naysayers, why is this rock that hurtles through space millions of miles away (the Sun is about 93 million miles away by the way) impacting upon your consciousness and the events in your existence? 

 

Could you clarify what 'the Grue' is?

 

Furthermore do you still consider Shiva to be a 'black magician' and did you decide to switch off and nullify the curse you launched at Ignant666? 

 

Thanks. 

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Which objects moved?

Without recounting all incidents to leave some material for the 'thesis', there is one event that has been shared before elsewhere which I'll share here. It happed after an episode of sleep paralysis where upon being able move again the heavy wooden beaded curtains across the room from my bed parted and swayed as though something passed through them. Immediately I got up to see if someone was in the house. All doors and windows were secure.

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You used a telescope to view the comet?

It was visible to the unaided eye. A new intense yellow "star" in Perseus when I first saw it.

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Juist to clarify for the astrology-naysayers, why is this rock that hurtles through space millions of miles away (the Sun is about 93 million miles away by the way) impacting upon your consciousness and the events in your existence? 

The stated purpose of the question is a good one and one I think I will wait to address in the 'thesis'. The answer is unique and shouldn't be made available for plagiarism in a forum post.

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Could you clarify what 'the Grue' is?

A lot of power.

It was dreadful offering access to that much power. It was a nail-biter. There was a strong suspicion it would be rejected due to characteristics, still it was a risk. A risk that had to be dared.

I'll say someone I'll call "The Mandalorian" completed the Grue recently. Nice drop, btw.

 

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do you still consider Shiva to be a 'black magician'

Yes. He's like an analogue of that character in The Holy Mountain that finds any opportunity to stuff drug delusions into the minds and mouths of "youth".

 

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did you decide to switch off and nullify the curse you launched at Ignant666

That sort of thing is not within my purview.

Neither is a curse. Think of it like personal, home, neighbour, community and emergency services protection. It's like making a thorough and well documented police report with the assistance of counsel after making all other attempts to de-escalate or handle a situation. Once done it's out of one's hands.

A blessing.

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I await my doom, apparently from a minor character in Baum's Ozma of Oz, who has somehow gone from princess to queen. She has 60 replaceable heads.

My son has all the Oz books, i'll have to study up, as i await my certain fate at the hands of the Kosmic Karma Police.


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do you still consider Shiva to be a 'black magician'

Yes. He's like an analogue of that character in The Holy Mountain that finds any opportunity to stuff drug delusions into the minds and mouths of "youth".

 
Shiva is pushing delusions upon posters here on this forum and elsewhere? 
 
Which delusions? 
 
 
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Which objects moved?

Without recounting all incidents to leave some material for the 'thesis', there is one event that has been shared before elsewhere which I'll share here. It happed after an episode of sleep paralysis where upon being able move again the heavy wooden beaded curtains across the room from my bed parted and swayed as though something passed through them. Immediately I got up to see if someone was in the house. All doors and windows were secure.

 

So you observed the heavy curtain move.......whilst you were....... asleep?

 

Isn't that called 'dreaming'?   

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So you observed the heavy curtain move.......whilst you were....... asleep?

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after an episode of sleep paralysis

I was awake. Apologies if that wasn't clear enough for you.

 

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Shiva is pushing delusions upon posters here on this forum ...? 
 
Which delusions? 
 

That can be shown in action when the opportunity presents itself again. It happens often enough that the wait shouldn't be long before another thread is derailed to recommend drug use and the accompanying delusions.


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drug use and the accompanying delusions

You mean "delusions" like believing in "V'Ger", and "Grues", and imagining you get initiatory messages from dead birds and comets, and trying to curse folks into being possessed by characters from one of the sequels to The Wizard of Oz?


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drug use and the accompanying delusions

You mean "delusions" like believing in "V'Ger", and "Grues", and imagining you get initiatory messages from dead birds and comets, and trying to curse folks into being possessed by characters from one of the sequels to The Wizard of Oz?

.... but Xon may clarify such matters as his The Great Feast passes and he goes on to publish his Adept Thesis...hopefully on this forum,  I'd be interested in reading it.  

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@dom after scrolling up the thread to see who was online this example was right there:
 
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Now ... if we all got together and agreed on these minor details, and then we chanted about it, and drank likker or took legal drugs, and had sex (not necessarily with each other. The names of women members are never revealed), and we all got on together, with nobody losing control and starting to shriek or start a fight ... why we could easily build on of these eLGMORs because we already have the blueprints (Jung, Crowley, McMurtry).

 

Intoxicate the inmost, O my lover, not the outermost!

 

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publish his Adept Thesis

Yes, i noticed the abrupt reversal on this point in his recent posts; can't hardly wait. I predict in advance it will be another Race To Conquer eLGMOR, only with more anime and dead birds.


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She has 60 replaceable heads.

She says that they're all dead.

 

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My son has all the Oz books, i'll have to study up

Also read Lord of the Flies.

 

Maybe watch this clip too. It's like a story of a life a long time ago, dramatically portrayed ofc, which may play out again 6000 years from now. Not sure if it'll be in the body of bird people again. Maybe. The difference being Mal will be listening to the Angel...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKAdKKsHPo4

And look the father got SkekMal at the end. Isn't that wonderful?


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Just curious- what was the last book you read?

Do you spend literally all your time watching dumb fantasy movies, and synth-pop music videos? These seem to be the only things you know anything about, and to provide the entire contents of your mind.


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There's a lot to enjoy about life that doesn't involve getting stoned and your limited interests, ignant.

 

Astronomy is one; magical ceremonies another. The planetary alignment last week was a wonderful, intense and rewarding experience. A lot of hexagram rituals(Star Sapphires) for the planets as they rose above the horizon. To have them all above the horizon was incredible. Jupiter conjunct Pluto! Ceremony was inspired by Liber Yod. Could call it the Greatest Hexagram Ceremony. The mention of Liber Agape in the Black Magick is not a Myth thread was so very timely. Recited a complete Class A Liber over the course of the ceremony.


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So i guess that would be "No, i haven't actually read a book in years, and, yes, indeed i do spend every day watching dumb fantasy movies, and synth-pop music videos, and pretending to be a  High Adept", then?

Have you gotten tired of the "registered as such" red-face game? Haven't heard much about this lately.


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Liber Yod... Liber Agape... Recited a complete Class A Liber

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So i guess that would be "No, i haven't actually read a book in years"

 

Do you think you might have a problem with your reading comprehension, ignant?


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@shiva

 

It seems he doesn't understand irony/dry humour at his expense. 

 

sigh indeed. 

 

Xon's use of exclamation points and youtube links never ceases to impress.

I am sure he can truly recite a whole class A liber. 

That would be good . It truly would. 


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Yod is 1,554 words; Agape is 6,448 words. I meant a book more than 11 pages long, actually.

Thanks for demonstrating my point.


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