Well I think we lost Leah due to consideration of AC's childhood comic book interests that seemed to have influenced his aspirations...delusions or destiny...
we lost Leah
This is still he thread. Once the preliminary datas have been rolled out and absorbed, and the mahas, the rishis, and the megatherion incarnates take it into mediation, in any thread or at any gathering or appointment, the riff-raff begin to chatter.
The slight deviation is very much AC-related, and we're just waiting for some anybody to come up with something new about Leah.
I am open to one area of the Leah saga, which I have asked about, but nobody has the datum. It was Symonds, I think and hope, that cranked out a certain scenario ... I thought it was in The Great Beast, but I can't find it. He cites how AC was unable to write or talk about the Ip thing. But, he notes, the Scarlet Woman (the witness) is not so bound.
The Author apparently has access to the Leah Cefalu blog. Crowley is portrayed as smoking opium, in a mystical funk; everything (externally) is turning to Shinola. "Why not?" he asks. He sets the opium pipe aside and goes into the temple, where he does some Ip Oath thing (Leah witnessing).
He then asks tp stay alive so that he can continue the Great Work (as a Magus who mere hints continuously at his IIp).
So ... if anybody knows where the Leah diary (or a copy) for this event is, please point the way, provide a link, or otherwise be productive.
It may be something in the stars but the time now seems intuitively appropriate for me to address my question to Aleisterion, which I have been promising ever since he withdrew for a few days earlier:
[H]ere was a particularly special case, one of several in all the world; but out of those, she [Leah] was singled out for one special reason: the Oath of Absolute Obedience (at the Ipsissimus Ritual).
The Oath he swore at that time bestowed upon her Absolute Authority. It was then that Apotheosis came via her Benediction. She was not a mere witness at that ceremony: she officiated.
This Oath of Absolute Obedience is a vital one in Thelemic History, in my opinion (for what it is currently worth).
Is this Ritual known about in the same way as the Oath of Absolute Obedience (which you seem to know a lot or at least something about), and where was it you encountered the first recorded example of either?
I take it this is the same Ritual at the completion of which A.C. was reported to have uttered "As a god goes, I go" (and where he might have also added bathetically, "... unless said god has to endure cigarette burns to the flesh or eating the poop of somebody else.". But he did not).
And, as part of your or Aliana's research, did Leah herself ever comment upon either this Ritual or Oath, its significance and/or her importance within it?
Thanks (in advance),
N Joy
P.S., What were these:
consideration of AC's childhood comic book interests
Might you have meant Ally Sloper's Half Holiday?
One of them was asking whether you'd - or anyone, in fact - heard anything or had any contact with @Azid*nis, @obscuruspaintus or @ptoner out of the dozens you reported as MIA (but possibly the only known ones who have so far been and come back at least twice!)
Like a phoenix reborn.
Yes the poor little Edward Alexander, it is said, was left with nothing but the Bible to indulge his imagination as a child, thus it is appropriate to call those sheets his comic books, especially as it can be argued that Bible conforms to a number of elements that make up comic books...
These days of course HG's joke about the Bible as a comic book has quite literally come true; i found at least 6 different comix versions of Revelations alone on amazon. There is also of course the really excellent R. Crumb comix version of Genesis.
It may be something in the stars but the time now seems intuitively appropriate for me to address my question to Aleisterion, which I have been promising ever since he withdrew for a few days earlier:
Doctors are keeping me busy of late...
Is this Ritual known about in the same way as the Oath of Absolute Obedience (which you seem to know a lot or at least something about), and where was it you encountered the first recorded example of either?
Only in King of the Shadow Realm is it discussed.
Note: this Oath transferred all Authority to 31-666-31 (AL-OSTR-AL), and to her lineage.
I take it this is the same Ritual at the completion of which A.C. was reported to have uttered "As a god goes, I go"
Yes.
JB asks: - or anyone, in fact - heard anything or had any contact with @Azid*nis
I have been in semi-regular contact with Az - he is still among the alively.
at least 6 different comix versions of Revelations
Thank you for the referral, Amaz and I just concluded a negotiation for less than $12 that is supposed to be, by marketing lingo, the coolest illustrations ever.
I have purchased this heathen, old aeon, collection of prophecies that are obviously reflected in our contemporary external matrix hologram world, because ... as Jamie notes ... there are all these horses and riders, not to mention two Beasts.
I am weary of searching fine-print text, even if it is online.
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Only in King of the Shadow Realm is it discussed.
Note: this Oath transferred all Authority to 31-666-31 (AL-OSTR-AL), and to her lineage.
Thanks. Do you have specific page numbers at hand? It's a big book...
Doctors are keeping me busy of late...
I hope you have succeeded in finding at least one physician you can trust and rely on, and who knows his/her onions. Ultimately the best thing is to find the psychosomatic cause of your ill-health and heal yourself, of course, if that is an option in the near future.
Only in King of the Shadow Realm is it discussed.
Thanks for the reference. However there doesn't appear to be any mention of this Oath of Absolute Obedience at all within the slightly melodramatic account that Symonds gives on page 281. The closet he comes to it is, and the only direct mention of Leah given in that context, is:
"He undressed and entered the temple, followed by Alostrael."
and the diary entry by A.C. which reads; "I am back at my desk having done the deed, before the Scarlet Woman as my witness. I swore to keep silence, so long as I live, about the fact of my attainment. (The Scarlet Woman is not thus bound, of course.)"
Nor incidentally is there any detail regarding the contents of the Ipsissimus Ritual itself.
The Oath he swore at that time bestowed upon her Absolute Authority. It was then that Apotheosis came via her Benediction. She was not a mere witness at that ceremony: she officiated.
Note: this Oath transferred all Authority to 31-666-31 (AL-OSTR-AL), and to her lineage.
I'm not clear what you mean by "transferred all [Absolute] Authority" to Leah "and her lineage" - what lineage, and exactly what Authority would she have had transferred to her? And did it afterwards ever get transferred back to the Beast again?
You also opined that "[t]his Oath of Absolute Obedience is a vital one in Thelemic History", but of such importance that nobody else seems to know what it entailed as it isn't written down anywhere??
I have been in semi-regular contact with Az - he is still among the alively.
Good to know - pass on my best! Though I take it that you don't know why he has chosen to withdraw from society (the A.C. Society, that is) or at least lurk here silently and invisibly? Or why he should on at least two occasions have appeared, briefly participated with two or three posts and then, with no notice, abruptly disappeared again?!
n Joy
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred Aleister Crowley wrote that, "This is Babalon, the true mistress of The Beast; of Her, all his mistresses on lower planes are but avatars."
Shiva: This is correct. I am glad you located this statement. I am now wondering in which Aethyer I should investigate the prototype?
The Cry of the 16th Aethyr, endnote 18. The entire content of Aleister Crowley's second most important book for his Thelema, The Vision and the Voice, can easily be searched through within this hyperlink:
https://www.tarrdaniel.com/documents/Thelemagick/publication/english/Liber_CCCCXVIII.html
"Kidneyhawk : Aiwaz ("I was") may be a fun pun meant to put to rest the present-tense Judeo-Christian God. "You're dead, dude." But Crowley might have a hard time getting ahead of Jesus from the Book of Revelations:
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" Rev 1:8
Note: the AL-Mighty.
What thinkest thou, Wellread?"
I am extremely bizzy at present time, Kidneyhawk, but will answer when I have more time available.
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred ... this means that all of his Scarlet Women – among them Leah Hirsig – are [were] but avatars of a daughter of the infinity Nuit, within his Thelema, Babalon.
Shiva's reply: "This is my impression."
Your impression is supported by Aleister Crowley in a 'secret' instruction in sexual magic for the eight degree of his OTO, “De Nuptiis Secretis Deorum Cum Hominibus”, mentioning Babalon.
Your impression is also supported by Aleister Crowley in "Emblems and Modes of Use", a 'secret' instruction in sexual magic for the ninth degree of his OTO, providing a veiled reference to Babalon, where he identifies the feminine sex-magical principle with 156, Babalon's number according to him.
And your impression is in addition supported by the fact that Aleister Crowley in his The Book of Thoth, explains the Lust card — the Key or Trump card 11 in his Thoth Tarot Deck — as linked to “divine drunkenness or ecstasy,” the woman being “more than a little drunk” and the lion “aflame with lust.”, with this card depicting pallid figures at a lion’s feet that are the saints, whose blood has been absorbed into Babalon’s cup, seen as the Holy Grail.
And your impression is further supported by the fact that Aleister Crowley, when contending that his said Lust card depicts a process of alchemical union between solar and lunar principles, quotes his The Book of Law on the Beast and the Scarlet Woman:
[Aleister Crowley's The Book of the Law, chapter 1, verses 15-16:]
"15. Now ye shall know that the chosen priest & apostle of infinite space is the prince-priest the Beast; and in his woman called the Scarlet Woman is all power given. They shall gather my children into their fold: they shall bring the glory of the stars into the hearts of men.
16. For he is ever a sun, and she a moon. But to him is the winged secret flame, and to her the stooping starlight."
That is, the above just quoted verses from Aleister Crowley's The Book of the Law, pertains to a kind of all-encompassing or universal power derived from a process of sexmagic alchemical union between solar and lunar principles.
And said all-encompassing or universal power, was for quite a while derived from Leah Hirsig being the aforesaid Scarlet Woman.
Thanks. Do you have specific page numbers at hand? It's a big book...
I'm sorry, the book is not with me. Just look for the 1920s, specifically 1924. Or look for Ipsissimus. It's easy to spot.
it is appropriate to call those sheets his comic books, especially as it can be argued that Bible conforms to a number of elements that make up comic books...
If you can present a correspondence chart of qualities common to comix and the Good Book (which I have no doubt you CAN), it would be more fitting to remark that "it is appropriate to call those comic books a NEW BIBLE-as the latter long antedates the former." Crowley was, of course, aware of the "Mystic Comics Books" of his Spiritual Brother, William Blake-and one could even make a case for the Stele Itself to be as a page from a graphic novel, weaving word and text into one fantastic moving machine, a series of symbolic forms serving as vital vessels for truly transformative ideas and the raw forces flowing through them.
i found at least 6 different comix versions of Revelations alone
There is SO much art centered around this text-and, of course, the entirety of the Bible Itself. Some is saccharine and propagandistic, some is revolutionary and visionary. It is quite interesting...AC sees AL as the Book to color the next 2000 years of human history-and mayhap it will! But St. John's Revelation still holds a universal power and appeal. It helped create an aspect of Aleister Crowley. Nor was it simply the influence of his heavy handed father's fundamentalism. The book is a visionary masterwork, charged with outrageously intense and brilliant mythic themes on a cosmic level. One is reminded of Voluspa in the Nordic Mythos, with figures equal to Surtr, dragging his sword of fire across the earth or the midgard serpent slashing through boiling waves of the chaotic deep.
I think we lost Leah due to consideration of AC's childhood comic book interests
Were it not for these interests, there would be no discussion of Leah here. Her life is contextualized by Crowley's-and Crowley's contextualized by his role as "The Prophet" who is THE BEAST. And if (and AS) we steer back toward Leah-specific details, we'll also remember that Babalon/Babylon, the Scarlet Woman, Mother of Harlots, makes her grand debut in John's brain on Patmos. As she is reinterpreted via Crowley's consciousness, this "comic book character" emerges in our last century through various figures, from Leah Hirsig to Marjorie Cameron.
I take it that you don't know why he has chosen to withdraw from society (the A.C. Society, that is) or at least lurk here silently and invisibly?
I've had my own periods of silence with regards to the forums. But I have tended to follow along, regardless. I was bitten a long time ago by the Lashtal bug and I can't shake it. Nor would I wish to! I'm sure Az will jump in if he so desires and it is great that he is well and in touch with Shiva!
I am extremely bizzy at present time, Kidneyhawk, but will answer when I have more time available.
Still waiting on the new thread regarding "incompetent authorship." Your connection between blue orgone and Nuit, however, was wonderful and I don't recall ever encountering that before. It certainly brings Levi's Baph (as an emblem of Astral Light-or Orgone, if we make them coeval) into the mix in a very interesting way.
one could even make a case for the Stele Itself to be as a page from a graphic novel, weaving word and text into one fantastic moving machine, a series of symbolic forms serving as vital vessels for truly transformative ideas and the raw forces flowing through them.
Nicely phrased! Call me a fusskins though, but wouldn't word and art fit better? Text is literary (verbal) as well as wordy, but art is well, art and more 'visual'. (Although in this particular example, I suppose a case could be made for 'word' = 'hieroglyphic' = 'art' as well.)
i found at least 6 different comix versions of Revelations alone
@kidneyhawk:
There is SO much art centered around this text-and, of course, the entirety of the Bible Itself.
Don't get me wrong, I think Crumbs' stuff is great and I'm not averse to the actual (comic) form! But what is it with all this "comic books" stuff coming in - it seems as if it has almost become necessary in the present climate to dumb down the King James Bible, to make it obsolete - rather in the manner of Newspeak replacing more traditional and challenging English vocabulary in 1984 - and therefore no longer desired in view of such easily available alternatives.
AC sees AL as the Book to color the next 2000 years of human history-and mayhap it will!
He did revise the timeline to be not possibly as long at other points in his life, though. (So mayhap it won't!?)
I'm sure Az will jump in if he so desires and it is great that he is well and in touch with Shiva!
Yes, I agree, it was the sudden appearance for 2 or 3 posts out of the blue that intrigued me. I can understand someone being called away the once, sure. Happens all the time! Happened to me! But unless it's just a chain of unrelated extraordinary circumstances, twice + perhaps implies decision aforethought for some reason I'm unable to fathom. It seemed somewhat singular in any event!
I am extremely bizzy at present time
I'm not sure if this is your getting to grips with the English tongue, well, but the correct spelling is in fact 'busy'. Ignore my comment if this was meant to be intentional for some reason, however...
Your connection between blue orgone and Nuit, however, was wonderful and I don't recall ever encountering that before.
Not so much 'wonderful' as quite logical! And not quite such an original connection either, as I referred to it myself in my "Exempt Adept Thesis" written 32 years ago and published by Skoob Books in their Esoterica Anthology Vol 1. (The reference is also in the pdf posted here as "Metaphor & the buried Crowley/ Black and Blue Magick":
http://www.lashtal.com/pub_pdf/Metaphor.PDF
and can be found in the last paragraph of Section IV, between pages 8 and 9.)
Revelatorily yours,
N Joy
Do you have specific page numbers [ in King of the Shadow Realm that mention this 'Oath of Absolute Obedience'] at hand? It's a big book...
I'm sorry, the book is not with me. Just look for the 1920s, specifically 1924. Or look for Ipsissimus. It's easy to spot.
Just noting that this query remains unanswered, and kind of important.
You have claimed that "[t]his Oath of Absolute Obedience is a vital one in Thelemic History", but it seems that no one here, or anywhere else, besides you, has ever heard of it. Between just Jamie B, Kyle, Shiva, Simon Iff, and me there is a collective amount of more than 200 years of AC study- i wonder how we all missed hearing of this?
Jamie B has noted that there is no mention whatever of any of what you describe as to this alleged "Oath of Absolute Obedience", nor any mention that "this Oath transferred all Authority to 31-666-31 (AL-OSTR-AL), and to her lineage" in at least his copy of King of the Shadow Realm, see his post above.
Can you please provide us with some source for these claims, @aleisterion ?
Nicely phrased! Call me a fusskins though, but wouldn't word and art fit better? Text is literary (verbal) as well as wordy, but art is well, art and more 'visual'. (Although in this particular example, I suppose a case could be made for 'word' = 'hieroglyphic' = 'art' as well.)
Jamie, you are 100% correct and thank you for the "fusskininess." I absolutely meant Art & Text but the fingers typed something other than the brain had thought. Alas, I missed my editorial window of opportunity but hopefully this clears any confusion as to what I was intending to covey!
Don't get me wrong, I think Crumbs' stuff is great and I'm not averse to the actual (comic) form! But what is it with all this "comic books" stuff coming in - it seems as if it has almost become necessary in the present climate to dumb down the King James Bible, to make it obsolete - rather in the manner of Newspeak replacing more traditional and challenging English vocabulary in 1984 - and therefore no longer desired in view of such easily available alternatives.
Apparently the reading situation in New York City, where Leah once taught, has gotten so bad that the Mayor has now put out an order that the city start teaching phonics in the public schools...So perhaps this might reverse the dumbing down with potential results....like actually literate high schools...
I once said to Robert Anton Wilson that his books were sort of like comics...and at first was offended but quickly recognized the compliment...
I might suppose the weird fiction type comics that I found at the barber shop might have had an effect upon some of my later interest, though other than the supernatural comics I was not interested so much in all the superhero stuffings
Of course Magick in Theory in Practice has the silouettes of the various god forms, which serve as the visual link and means of embodying practices found in the text.
Yes I concur with @kidneyhawk 's "nicely phrased" observation regarding the Stele!
Jamie B has noted that there is no mention whatever of any of what you describe as to this alleged "Oath of Absolute Obedience", nor any mention that "this Oath transferred all Authority to 31-666-31 (AL-OSTR-AL), and to her lineage" in at least his copy of King of the Shadow Realm, see his post above.
Can you please provide us with some source for these claims, @aleisterion ?
The Vow of Holy Obedience is there in that book, in the section in which he becomes Ipsissimus, at Cefalu. It is mentioned nowhere else to my knowledge. And it is critically important, I wouldn't just make it up. If I had access to that book, I'd happily provide the information.
All that I can do is shrug. Sorry to disappoint. I know it's there, but I cannot provide the info at the moment.
You may not make up anything, but the question might be what hath Symonds made up...I suppose the diaries tell the tale, but perhaps Symonds has other sources....
It could be that no one has done anything dishonest, but rather we have a human phenomena of exaggeration, a fish story...Jesus Christ, did'nt AC write an unfinished novel around this time...the issue is that there is an oath relative to the grade.
From what I glean, and from some indications from Kenneth Grant, the Scarlet Woman was an office of work, and the work was of an initiatory type, that required some sort of witnessing by one qualified for the position.
At the time AC had recognized that Aloastral was in contact with Aiwass or was facilitating such contact being the Scarlet Woman a position that Grant sees as the western parallel to the eastern oral kuala cults of the worship of the divine mother.
Grant thus notes that Ipsissimus is the equivalent to the Paramahamsa, a title that AC did not employ until the 10=1 ordeal.
Now in Beyond The Mauve Zone, in a footnote at pg 184 is found a quote from Crowley:
"Adventures in the upper realms of Air. With the aid of a Spirit Fox, whose 'earth' consisted of immeasurable caverns-some of fine ice, all vast beyond imagination--I came unto the lowest spheres of Fire. Here are many small deceptions - little wiggly small red flames. THe main vision ws that of the Temple of Poesy."
Grant says this is from AC's Magickal diary concerning the 10=1 A.'.A.'. and then mentions a sketch in the diary---Comics!....to which is another quote that is quite interesting of visions of "pure night"...
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Addressed to all who are looking for the Vow of Holy Obedience (not Absolute Holy Obedience as quoted by Aleisteron in The King of the Shadow Realm.
The quote in question is on page 267. It was made a year before AC entered the Temple to take the Grade of Ipsissimus.
During the night of 25-26 July 1920 under the vow is when among other things he performed the Eucharist. On the paten or plate on this altar gleamed Leah’s turd.
No mention of absolute power being given to her.
There is no mention of this during the Ipsissimus Grade which was made in 1921. This is on page 281.
Hope you find this useful.
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@devl93 Yeah, that is what I found also, and interestingly directly followed by: "but there is no evidence in what happened that summer night that he was obeying her commands. And he is far too interested in his own thoughts and feelings to tell us how she reacted to the events he recorded, and in which she played a vital part. He put words in her mouth but they do not ring true." All that is written before and after that just sounds to me like a good handful of an amazing masochistic experience including cigarettes stubbed out on his chest or eating the before-mentioned gleaming turd. I would also like to add that while Symonds isn't famous for being a Crowley-fan, he seems to have had access to the diaries of this era and there is no indication of him quoting out of context or untruthfully. But still no evidence of giving her "absolute power":
Let me just add that the whole episode is also to be found in Symonds' final AC biography "The Beast 666", pp.269 and following. Interestingly in this instance of the story he comes to the conclusion: "Who is 'She' in this passage? (the one starting with "I would not. I could not.") It is certainly NOT Leah." (emphasis mine).
"He undressed and entered the temple, followed by Alostrael."
Okay, now there are at least two of us that are hot on the trail. Of course, we need the actual Leah diary to even begin confirming that which may well be non-confirmable [gasp - enter belief systems].
It is either unfortunate, or merely a mystery, that the two major pivot points of Thelemic prototypical history revolves around the (missing) diaries of Rose, and now Leah. Each has its attendant custodian, each of whom drop hints.
Anytime anybody wants to decry the existence of recurring archetypal scenarios, especially those revolving around Red Ladies, is free to ignore the obvious.
Nor incidentally is there any detail regarding the contents of the Ipsissimus Ritual itself.
Right. We are citing the same Symonds' text - and you found it, but I couldn't (3 or 4 attempts over a 5-year timespan).
Though I take it that you don't know why he has chosen to withdraw from society (the A.C. Society
I have followed his adventures on the physical plane (with major change of locations, jobs, and relationships. He has disclosed his emotional states and personal dilemmas, as well as his ability to briefly get out under normal (but usually quiet) daily-life circumstances. Non of these details are discolable under the Hippopotamus Act.
However, it is my professional opinion that he has essentially gone Sannyasi, and I don't know if he's grounded and aligned well enough to handle that ... and we have never discussed that aspect.
The Vision and the Voice, can easily be searched through within this hyperlink:
Or within the digital copy on my borg-device. I have read and envisioned the prototype. I asked the question in order to draw attention to the prototype. You have identified the Aethyr. Today is a great day wherein two parallel threads are zeroing in on Ip and the Woman girt ...
Can you please provide us with some source for these claims, @aleisterion ?
I believe (oh, not that) that an agenda dealing with a lineage, incorporating the reincarnation of two deceased children, is presntly under manifestation. It takes a little time to put the paradigm in print, so there are hints, but no claims, yet.
The fact that the disclosure of certain requested data would "give the whole thing away," suggests that a simple explanation, while easily possible, must be withheld in favor of a much longer written document ... that presumably [neti-neti] will be complex because it offers proof of some kind, which is refreshing.
the (missing) diaries of Rose, and now Leah. Each has its attendant custodian,
Interestingly, I have no recollection of ever coming across an admission that Richard (T. Cole of this parish) had actual possession of the missing Rose diaries. It seems to be a myth that has grown in the telling (unlike the matter of the paper post-dated (after 1904) watermark, which does seem to have had an origin). I would be extremely interested if anyone can produce clear evidence that he originally stated any such thing...
and you found it, but I couldn't
No, I couldn't either!! The Ip Ritual still remains unfound, and especially within TKOTSR.
Non of these details are discolable
Sounds like a pronounced spinning-top like wobble around his central point, or core, of balance.
I am not sure, reading this, that it would be in order to evoke him to electronic appearance by filling in the missing zero: @Azid*nis? It might be a rather daring thing to do if some other Society member were to precipitate & take on board the inevitable karma involved.
Ip and the Woman girt
A hypothetical scenario: If a woman is "incapable" of not being able to embody 9=2 by not possessing the relevant organ (and cannot ever utter the Word or Logos of an Aeon unto the ends of time, yea unto the ends of time or at least the boundaries of transhumanism) then would she not be similarly incapable in terms of never advancing to 10=1? (Or by means of a similar jump-initiation to that involved with 8=3 could she advance immediately there bypassing Chokmah altogether & by doing so 'she shall achieve Hadit'?)
complex because it offers proof of some kind, which is refreshing.
It will be interesting to see if this kind of proof proves to be incontrovertibly truthful. Or is somehow in its way, possibly even with the best of intentions, nevertheless mistaken & seen askew.
N Joy
I have no recollection of ever coming across an admission that Richard (T. Cole of this parish) had actual possession of the missing Rose diaries.
RTC stated some "fact," that was shaky. So he cited the source as Rose's diary, a copy of which he had in his possesion, and which he offered to post or publish. When that didn't happen, he said it would be an Appendix in his next book ... which is was not, being perfect.
This was, and remains is, the source of nobody believing anything RTC has to say or write. He has taunted us with fake watermarks, non-existemnt diaries, the Horus Toy(TM), and 'ol Fakey for years now. He may be a member of the Outer Parish, bot his name is missing from the roster of Trusted Sources. Oh yeah, he lies a lot, according to his visions of reality - but somehow he got past The Guidelines, while lying, but he's still here (if he wishes or dares to show his avatar).
Leah's gleaming turd, consumed with such masochistic drama in 1920, was not AC's first experience of coprophagy.
Recall that he had already enjoyed the "Mandarin Meals" offered by Leila Waddell as of the publication of CCCXXXIII/TBoL in 1913.
he has essentially gone Sannyasi
This, as I understand, is an Initiation one will also take when working in the Alice Bailey/Seven Rays School(s).
One, having been thus secreted through self-dissolution, may yet re-incarnate in Timespace for further action and service to others. These, I think, are the "Few and Secret," the "Classic Rosicrucians" who would never claim the name. Their job isn't to project a self-image into the pecking order of the realms below the Abyss-but they do work with wisdom and "skillful means" in such spaces.
And if one throws off all such trappings, yet remains to work...it may also be that one's identity and clout WITHIN the small circles of so-called "occulture" is also a disguise, a mask, something unguessed at and more profound silently shining within.
I am not sure, reading this, that it would be in order to evoke him to electronic appearance by filling in the missing zero: @Azid*nis? It might be a rather daring thing to do if some other Society member were to precipitate & take on board the inevitable karma involved.
Did you mean to write...
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A hypothetical scenario: If a woman is "incapable" of not being able to embody 9=2 by not possessing the relevant organ (and cannot ever utter the Word or Logos of an Aeon unto the ends of time, yea unto the ends of time or at least the boundaries of transhumanism) then would she not be similarly incapable in terms of never advancing to 10=1? (Or by means of a similar jump-initiation to that involved with 8=3 could she advance immediately there bypassing Chokmah altogether & by doing so 'she shall achieve Hadit'?)
The Woman Girt With A Sword seems to imply "The Feminine Triumphant" but I am curious if anyone has read this as The Woman Punctured By A Penis? "Girt" indicates the waist-or a little lower. The Sword...well, that symbol seems a bit obvious. Ergo 3:11 may be requiring the woman to "fulfill her role" as "receptacle." "Let blood flow to my name." We know the best blood is of the moon...
I wish to be clear. I do NOT hold the "receptacle" perspective which is at times (or maybe always) proclaimed by the Prophet. But this is how the verse seems to tend as I read it...
"In his woman called the scarlet woman is all power given" does not necessarily mean that SHE is "All-Powerful" or that SHE bestows the Power. The word "given" implies a source (The Giver) and...the receiver of that source. The receiver is given ALL POWER. ALL POWER, then, comes (no pun intended) from the BEAST.
Again, we have the whole Graal thing but we've got the woman having a clear cut role and it appears to be as a cup, an oven, a breeding pod. If not for a flesh and blood moonchild-then one on the astral.
Either way...
Again, not my view of things-but it is how the text seems to tend (despite readings to the contrary).
This was, and remains is, the source of nobody believing anything RTC has to say or write. He has taunted us with fake watermarks, non-existent diaries, the Horus Toy(TM), and 'ol Fakey for years now. He may be a member of the Outer Parish, bot his name is missing from the roster of Trusted Sources. Oh yeah, he lies a lot, according to his visions of reality - but somehow he got past The Guidelines, while lying, but he's still here (if he wishes or dares to show his avatar).
"I am warrior lord of the Forties."
In the Forties, a comic book character emerged for the enjoyment of the general public. His name was DICK COLE. The series was full of thrilling adventures and innuendo.
DICK COLE (Dick Hole) had a sidekick. Named Carrot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE94UFJMv1I&t=441s
Thus it is that we return to this thread's central theme of comic books.
And now we're really down in the dumps.
It is my duty as a physician to warn every anybody that some little ingredients in capr-, can get out of hand and cause pretty bad illness or death itself ... so I am unable to recommend this part of the work.
I believe (oh, not that) that an agenda dealing with a lineage, incorporating the reincarnation of two deceased children, is presntly under manifestation.
An "agenda"? Hmm...to what end? Could it not simply be the story of two individuals that have undergone extraordinary experiences, arriving at a climax of rediscovery and redemption? Why does everything have to be insidious?
I'm not at all saying that you're right. Aliana won't allow me to say anything ("Do what thou wilt" be damned!) until after a book deal is set...if it happens at all. I have to listen to her -- she's such a doll.
Cheers!
777
An "agenda"? Hmm...to what end? Could it not simply be the story of two individuals that have undergone extraordinary experiences, arriving at a climax of rediscovery and redemption?
An agenda, in my usage, is merely some goal that is manifesting, but it is occulted as it comes forth. Such agendae may be good or evil. If it's neutral, then it's not worth manifesting. Sure, the story can be whatever you want. I certainly do not pick up any amount of deceit or knavery in your presentation.
You have a story to tell, and if you tell it simply, then people will throw rocks and turds. You have made it clear that the story is complex, that it is being ironed (Geburah) out, and that your woman girt with a gag forbids blabbing no more ... no more. I have no problem with that. Some other folks, suffering from impatience, probably because they are young, wish to keep needling you for more details, not realizing that there are different versions of the Oath of Secrecy, and a couple Fourth Powers of the Hrumachis Sphynx.
Why does everything have to be insidious?
I did not state or infer insiduousity. I said ...
The fact that the disclosure of certain requested data would "give the whole thing away," suggests that a simple explanation, while easily possible, must be withheld in favor of a much longer written document ... that presumably [neti-neti] will be complex because it offers proof of some kind, which is refreshing.
This, as I understand, is an Initiation one will also take when working in the Alice Bailey/Seven Rays School(s).
Essentially, it's a guy who sets up his family so they won't starve, then he splits into the jungle to do the work he couldn't do with all those noisy people.
Bailey applies it to the third initiation, which we know as 5=6. Of course, disappearing into the jungle might only be 5=6 without (which means things don't go well), and we hope that all the sannyasins get to 5=6 within, as this is why they went to the jungle.
Interestingly, they're not seeking an HGA. Mostly, they're trying to catch a hit from Shiva - this allows them to inhale huge amounts of cannabis smoke ... as a religious practice.
DICK COLE (Dick Hole) had a sidekick. Named Carrot.
AsI have been implying, we are zeroing in on some big deal. The Equinox is only three days away. I remember Dick Cole by sight, but I never read him. The Carrot link is synchronistically amazing.
Dick Cole and Carrot were frozen at 11 degrees....Are the "Mandarin Meals" warm?
("Square brackets", or "box brackets", [], and text within them, added by me. Bold by me for emphasis:)
kidneyhawk: "The connection of Astral Light to Orgone is of interest, [...]
"... [John Michael Greer:] "In speaking of the astral light and describing it as the great magical agent, the connecting link that enables magic to reach beyond the boundaries of any one mind, Levi thus places himself squarely in the mainstream of the world's magical traditions." [...]
[...] "[Neville Goddard:] the undifferentiated state of consciousness."
"Orgone, something which is not polarized but universal and cosmic." [...]
[...] "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" Rev 1:8
Note: the AL-Mighty.
What thinkest thou, Wellread?"
kidneyhawk: "I wish to be clear. I do NOT hold the "receptacle" perspective which is at times (or maybe always) proclaimed by the Prophet. But this is how the verse seems to tend as I read it...
"In his woman called the scarlet woman is all power given" does not necessarily mean that SHE is "All-Powerful" or that SHE bestows the Power. The word "given" implies a source (The Giver) and...the receiver of that source. The receiver is given ALL POWER. ALL POWER, then, comes (no pun intended) from the BEAST."
"He [= Aleister Crowley] found that The Book of the Law holds the keys to the Next Step in human evolution, and sets forth the spiritual principles of a New Aeon.
He worked for decades to interpret its meaning for initiates and the general public, but rejected commentary after commentary as inadequate. He eventually concluded that he was too close to his subject to judge the value of his own commentaries, and entrusted the task to his best friend, Louis Wilkinson. Wilkinson (who wrote under the pen-name Louis Marlow) possessed impressive literary qualifications and had the advantages of knowing Crowley well and being a layman in esoteric matters."
(Source: The Hermetic Library Blog[.] Faint gibbering heard from somewhere near the restricted stacks[.] [...] The Law Is for All: The Authorized Popular Commentary of Liber Al Vel Legis Sub Figura CCXX, The Book of the Law by Aleister Crowley, edited by Louis Wilkinson and Hymenaeus Beta, the 2002 softcover third printing of the first edition from New Falcon Publications, is part of the collection at the Reading Room. - - - https://library.hrmtc.com/2013/08/15/the-law-is-for-all-2/ )
Patriarch156: "... the new edition of The Law is for All, [...] is the one edited by Louis Wilkinson as commissioned and authorized by Crowley, in order to create a popular edition which removes the technical parts of the commentary (an concern of Crowley during his later life), in order to make it more understandable and applicable for the ordinary man."
( Source: - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/writer/the-law-is-for-all-vs-magical-and-philosophical-commentar/ )
"Our central Truth — beyond other philosophies — is that these two infinities [= Nuit & Hadit] cannot exist apart."
[...]
This verse boasts the consummation of the marriage of Hadit and Nuit in the priest. That is, he has freed Hadit, in the core of his Star, [...], so that the two Infinities become one, and none; and create, [...], a new Finite.
This Finite will evidently be an expression of the particular mood of its Father and Mother at the moment of its conception. Obviously, this “Child” cannot add to the Universe; it is therefore inevitably twin [...] in Nature, formed of equal and opposite elements. When the Operation is mystical in character, the “Child” does not appear at all in this manifested form as Two, but as Naught.In the consciousness of the Adept, this is called Samadhi. He has united himself with, and lost himself in, Nuit. When the “Child” appears as Two, it is Magick, as the other is Mysticism. This is the essential difference between these Arts.
[...]
The Beast is here definitely identified with the priest of the 26th Dynasty whose Stele[...] forms the Pantacle[*] (so to speak) of the new Magick."( Source: The Magical and Philosophical Commentaries on The Book of the Law - - - https://hermetic.com/legis/magical-philosophical-commentaries/chapter-i
(For Chapter 1, verse 1.: "Had!The manifestation of Nuit."
For Chapter 1, verse 14.: " Above, the gemmed azure is The naked splendour of Nuit; She bends in ecstasy to kiss The secret ardours of Hadit. The winged globe, the starry blue, Are mine, O Ankh-af-na-khonsu!"
And for Chapter 1, verse 36.: "My scribe Ankh-af-na-Khonsu, the priest of the princes, shall not in one letter change this book; but lest there be folly, he shall comment thereon by the wisdom of Ra-Hoor-Khu-it.") )[ [*] A pentacle (also spelled and pronounced as pantacle in Thelema, following Aleister Crowley, [...] is a talisman[**] that is used in magical evocation[***],[...] , upon which a magical design is drawn." ( Source: Pentacle - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentacle )
[**] "A talisman is any object ascribed with religious or magical powers intended to protect, heal, or harm individuals for whom they are made." (Source: Talisman - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talisman )
[***] "Evocation is the act of evoking, calling upon, or summoning a spirit, demon, deity or other supernatural agents, in the Western mystery tradition." ( Source: Evocation - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evocation ]
Nuit and Hadit constitutes the elements of the universe, according To Aleister Crowley, and this is how he describes Nuit and Hadit in his introduction to the 1938 publication of his The Book of The Law:
"The elements are Nuit—Space—that is, the total of possibilities of every kind—and Hadit, any point which has experience of these possibilities. (This idea is for literary convenience symbolized by the Egyptian Goddess Nuit, a woman bending over like the Arch of the Night Sky. Hadit is symbolized as a Winged Globe at the heart of Nuit.) Every event is a uniting of some one monad with one of the experiences possible to it. [...] Each one of us has thus an universe of his own, but it is the same universe for each one as soon as it includes all possible experience. This implies the extension of consciousness to include all other consciousness."
And this is how Aleister Crowley explains Nuit and Hadit in Chapter 0 The Magical Theory of the Universe, within his book Magick in Theory and Practice, the third part of his Magick, Liber ABA, Book 4, and the latter book is widely considered to be Aleister Crowley's magnum opus, that is, his greatest achievement:
"Infinite space is called the goddess NUIT, while the infinitely small and atomic yet omnipresent point is called HADIT. These are unmanifest. One conjunction of these infinites is called RA-HOOR-KHUIT, a unity which includes and heads all things."
My point is that Aleister Crowley until the very end of his life, NEVER understood the relationship between him "the Beast", and "his woman called the Scarlet Woman", mentioned whithin his The Book of the Law, as codependant and coequal. That is, Aleister crowley's understanding of the relationship between said Beast and said Scarlet Woman, NEVER corresponded to his understanding of Nuit and Hadit, also mentioned in his The Book of the Law, as constituting the elements of the universe or the cosmos, in an ongoing interplay, co-dependant and coequal.
And within the collection of Aleister Crowley's written commentaries to his The Book of the Law, titled The Law is for All, and edited by Louis Wilkinson as commissioned and authorized by Crowley, in order to create a popular edition which removes the technical parts of the commentary, in order to make it more understandable and applicable for the ordinary man, it is with respect to Crowley's The Book of the Law, Chapter 1, verse 14., clearly stated that:
"This verse boasts the consummation of the marriage of Hadit and Nuit [with-]in the priest. That is, he has freed Hadit, in the core of his Star, [...], so that the two Infinities become one, and none; and create, [...], a new Finite."
According to these verses from the third and last chapter of Aleister Crowley's most important book for his Thelema, the chance for Crowley's "... woman called the Scarlet Woman" mentioned within said book, of attaining Hadit, and-/-or of becoming the breeding ground or seedbed for a most mighty child, comparable with the most mighty baby Jesus, apparently depends on her adherence to some particular prerequisites in this book, apparently irrespective of statements like "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.", and "There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.", in the same book:
"43. Let the Scarlet Woman beware! If pity and compassion and tenderness visit her heart; if she leave my work to toy with old sweetnesses; then shall my vengeance be known. I will slay me her child: I will alienate her heart: I will cast her out from men: as a shrinking and despised harlot shall she crawl through dusk wet streets, and die cold and an-hungered.
44. But let her raise herself in pride! Let her follow me in my way! Let her work the work of wickedness! Let her kill her heart! Let her be loud and adulterous! Let her be covered with jewels, and rich garments, and let her be shameless before all men!
45. Then will I lift her to pinnacles of power: then will I breed from her a child mightier than all the kings of the earth. I will fill her with joy: with my force shall she see & strike at the worship of Nu: she shall achieve Hadit."
(Source: Aleister Crowley's The Book of the Law, chapter 3, verses 43, 44, and 45.)
This inferior status of Aleister Crowley's "... woman called the Scarlet Woman" mentioned within his most important book for his Thelema, in relation to his status as the "Beast" also mentioned in this book, obviously also pertains to Leah Hirsig.
An agenda, in my usage, is merely some goal that is manifesting, but it is occulted as it comes forth. Such agendae may be good or evil. If it's neutral, then it's not worth manifesting.
I guess it'd all be a matter of perspective...
Sure, the story can be whatever you want. I certainly do not pick up any amount of deceit or knavery in your presentation.
Hey, all right! You're warming up to me a little, Shiva! Before you know it we'll be good friends!
You have a story to tell, and if you tell it simply, then people will throw rocks and turds. You have made it clear that the story is complex, that it is being ironed (Geburah) out, and that your woman girt with a gag forbids blabbing no more ... no more.
But it's such a great story though, with such powerful and moving forces coursing throughout; and the inspiration of it, after all the tale is told, puts both light and warmth to the darkest and coldest hearts.
If it were less than impressive, I wouldn't suggest that she go with it. After I saw what she could do, and how she planned to do it, I told her to run with it. She's better than I am, so why not?
Thelema needs more uplifting, heartwarming stories, I think. I mean, why not? So she's doing it.
Cheers,
777
Thanks for the summary but your conclusion of some "inferior" status of the Scarlet Woman is in my estimation an incorrect reading, and contradicted by the quotes that you give about the two infinities...especially when "Every man and woman is a star" ...
The issue is that the Scarlet Woman is given ordeals, just as the Beast is given Ordeals, as are all other stars presented with ordeals. Ordeals are tests and as regards the "Scarlet Woman", a fear and scenario is threatened in the text of Liber Legis, that then has been used as the lens to examine Leah's ordeals.
One problem is that they fallen status of the Scarlet Woman, say per Leah, almost becomes the evidence that she was formerly a Scarlet Woman, and that she is responsible for her plight....
The issue of the Leah's Diaries concerns whether or not she had become a "yonder begger" in reality. I think it is obvious that not everyone here believes she had indulged in pity and compassion, the vices of kings....but may be she had pity on AC...Here diaries do reflect her anger at him and love for him...
I guess it'd all be a matter of perspective...
In most cases, a poster secreting an agenda is up to no good, either seeking pseudo-fame or Aurum.
So, here I was, combating the bad Agendaists, when somebody (I think it was HG) pointed out that my agenda was the get out paradigm. Yea, all have sinned and made plans ... and fallen short of the finish line, which is time-space, ground-zero be here now.
...Oh, get out of here !
your conclusion of some "inferior" status of the Scarlet Woman is in my estimation an incorrect reading
Just so we don't get to uppity or downity ir relation to the place of women, let's move to the bottom line.
The first rattle out of the cosmic box (the black hole) is a pair of do-dads. They are labeled positive and negative, male and female, yang et yin. This follows the 0=2 production, which the 5th ray scientists say is true. So, without taking into consideration those forces that will come LATER in the creative process, we find that ...
Yin and Yang are both opposite
and complimentary
There is no reference to which came first
who is superior or inferior -
Just two equal but reflected/inverted forces
I suppose this could be the Eden state.
After that, other factors (water, fire, wind, other people, gods, memorizing the holly books, etc) come into play. Regardless of the ensuing circumstances, which are guaranteed to be biased and filled with one-upmanship, in the first analysis, they are equal. Just different - in every regard.
Due to the tendency of the low men and the low lifes to abduct women for labor and pleasure purposes, the stronger male steps in to prevent such abduction. This is the beginning of the hierarchy of men, and the relegation of women to an inferior, owned status ... based on pure physical strength.
I have reasons to doubt this same concept applies at higher levels. I* was intoduced to the path by a woman who displayed formidible charismatic authority. The traini8ng went on for a few years. Then I encountered a male Adept (who remained at a distance for decades, with contacts made once every few years). He was neither Egyptian nor Tibetan, but he did have a physical body. He recommended Crowley as the most practical source.
But then there was this second round of training under another woman of pronounced charismatic authority that spoke for itself, because it was harmless. The previous charismatic authority lady was not harmless - she carried a barb of dominion in her psyche.
I came to have no problems with who was in charge, dukes or dames - it just depends on the circumstances and who's cranking out the most charisma.
These other supernal things that we are discussing with our linear thinking principle mean absolutely nothing in terms of anyone's inner or outer hierarchy, because that depends on who is present and who one is thinking (dharana) about.
RTC stated some "fact," that was shaky. So he cited the source as Rose's diary, a copy of which he had in his possesion, and which he offered to post or publish.
It's possible I might have missed it and presumably this was here on Lashtal, but are you absolutely sure that was what stated in it? I don't suppose you (=anyone reading) could point me to the exact spot? as I definitely have No Recall of either the original "shaky fact" or reference to him having her Diary in his possession - or indeed anywhere else (since then) where he has unequivocally stated the item was in his possession?
the Horus Toy(TM),
That was the big talking point when I last posted. Wasn't it supposed to be some sort of marvellous panacea that everyone had been waiting for, a solution for healing all the ills of the world? (this was all pre-Covid of course).
[RTC] may be a member of the Outer Parish, bot his name is missing from the roster of Trusted Sources.
Not only that but I'd heard someone had ripped the entire page out. Tut, shocking the behaviour of people these days...
It is either unfortunate, or merely a mystery, that the two major pivot points of Thelemic prototypical history revolves around the (missing) diaries of Rose, and now Leah. Each has its attendant custodian, each of whom drop hints.
By linking them together, were you suggesting the situation with Leah's diaries might turn out to be similarly unreliable/ open to question?
Did you mean to write...
That scene in Total Recall springs to mind, the one where Sharon Stone says to Arnie: "Now you've done it! Now you've really gone and done it!"
If we're going to start attempting to summon stars from the past, how about conjuring forth @belmurru as well?
The Woman Girt With A Sword seems to imply "The Feminine Triumphant" but I am curious if anyone has read this as The Woman Punctured By A Penis? "Girt" indicates the waist-or a little lower. The Sword...well, that symbol seems a bit obvious
Might e.g. "Lance" have fitted better in the context (as in, to lance the boil, i.e. "puncture")?
Ergo 3:11 may be requiring the woman to "fulfill her role" as "receptacle." "Let blood flow to my name." We know the best blood is of the moon...
Yes it's possible (it may be) one interpretation.
"In his woman called the scarlet woman is all power given" does not necessarily mean that SHE is "All-Powerful" or that SHE bestows the Power. The word "given" implies a source (The Giver) and...the receiver of that source. The receiver is given ALL POWER.
the ultimate source of the power may also come from "on high", beyonder?
ALL POWER, then, comes (no pun intended) from the BEAST.
As it is said in the context of coitus (allegedly by a woman talking about a man): "In like a lion; out like a lamb".
Also 'ware the fate of the mate of a Black Widow spider (& there are a few other examples in the animal kingdom)
we've got the woman having a clear cut role and it appears to be
So "clear cut" that it only "appears" to be so!?
Again, not my view of things-but it is how the text seems to tend (despite readings to the contrary).
Your view of things does not matter. Nor mine. Nor anybody else here or anyone anywhere else, even (in the final appeal) that of the "prophet" himself. It is decided "each for him[/her]self", alone. {You of course will realise all of this already, which is for the benefit of those reading who don't.}
His name was DICK COLE.
No relation to Dick Head, then? How about Ars Hole (who sounds a bit Norwegian)?
It is my duty as a physician to warn every anybody that some little ingredients in capr-, can get out of hand and cause pretty bad illness or death itself
Yes, e-coli so I understand (not being a physician myself however). I imagine the same warning applying if one were drinking cat's or goat's blood, and the fresh clear waters of certain mountain springs found in Sicily.
I believe (oh, not that) that an agenda dealing with a lineage, incorporating the reincarnation of two deceased children, is presntly under manifestation.
@Aleisterion: An "agenda"? Hmm...to what end? Could it not simply be the story of two individuals that have undergone extraordinary experiences
Nothing to do with Hansi and the other kid then?
Aliana won't allow me to say anything ("Do what thou wilt" be damned!) until after a book deal is set...if it happens at all
But didn't she agree to release advance tidbits/ 'trailers' as she was going along herself, though? (do not have time to trawl back myself)
I have to listen to her -- she's such a doll.
but not quite a ventriloquist's doll, it seems?
Essentially, it's a guy who sets up his family so they won't starve, then he splits into the jungle to do the work he couldn't do with all those noisy people.
Ah, so in terms of his being sunnysideup you're saying he has actually split from material connectivity including access to the web, this website, etc?.I thought he might at least have had limited access eg through an internet cafe or library or something, but in that case it seems he prob won't pick up Kidneyhawk's evocative call for attention there after all (although his ears might be burnin!)
we hope that all the sannyasins get to 5=6 within, as this is why they went to the jungle
And then they come back out again afterwards, is that right? Enriched with & by their experience and all THAT? Or, do they sometimes never come back (like a hermit or World war 2 Jap pilot who never realized hostilities were over)?
Interestingly, they're not seeking an HGA. Mostly, they're trying to catch a hit from Shiva - this allows them to inhale huge amounts of cannabis smoke ... as a religious practice.
Amen to that - and don't bogart that joint man (pass some of that shit over here!)
As I have been implying, we are zeroing in on some big deal.
Wot, again? (Not to say it isn't going to happen sometime, of course. Maybe!)
The Equinox is only three days away.
So soon! And I've only just came back here, too! Here's hoping there'll be no dread [t]hereafter!
Magick, Liber ABA, Book 4 [...] widely considered to be Aleister Crowley's magnum opus, that is, his greatest achievement:
What about The Book of Lies - his most succinct, profound, all-encompassing creation, written in what Israel Regardie assessed to have been his prime?
"Infinite space is called the goddess NUIT, while the infinitely small and atomic yet omnipresent point is called HADIT. These are unmanifest. One conjunction of these infinites is called RA-HOOR-KHUIT, a unity which includes and heads all things."
Is it your (=anybody's) impression that they met finitely in the middle and if so could you explain this for me, please?
apparently depends on her adherence to some particular prerequisites in this book, apparently irrespective of statements like "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.", and "There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.", in the same book:
Not irrespective of but in addition to, And of arguably greater importance, you're suggesting?
III verse 43: Possibly the most dreadful verse in the entire Book, imo. Do you think this most bizarrely idiosyncratic choice of words & phrases here was a deliberate attempt to emulate the quasi-psychotic jealous intolerance displayed by Yahweh? And to which the following verse (44) serves as an apparent antidote/ sort of balm.
This inferior status of Aleister Crowley's "... woman called the Scarlet Woman" mentioned within his most important book for his Thelema, in relation to his status as the "Beast" also mentioned in this book, obviously also pertains to Leah Hirsig.
What makes you choose the word "inferior" as assessment, as so often perspective depends on the particular plane involved and aren't "the Beast and his Bride" meant to be coequal?.
This has taken much longer than expected. Curiously enough I had written the last point above, gone to have my tea and when I returned Shiva had made the same point in the interim.
As Kurt Vonnegut was fond of pointing out, 'the moment is structured that way'...
N Joy
Nothing to do with Hansi and the other kid then?
The aborted child and the infant.
But didn't she agree to release advance tidbits/ 'trailers' as she was going along herself, though? (do not have time to trawl back myself)
Of course we can do that...she doesn't mind.
but not quite a ventriloquist's doll, it seems?
Not at all...you want me to post images? she's real enough.
The aborted child and the infant.
You mean Anne Lea/ Poupee then presumably; did the other one ever have a name, and how long was it that the infant lived for? Didn't Hansi want to be the Beast No. 2 at some point - anything ever come of that?
Of course we can do that...she doesn't mind.
Tha's good - the more the merrier! And in view of the coming Equinox, maybe the sooner there's something the better!
Not at all...you want me to post images? she's real enough.
By not being a ventriloquist's doll, I meant you can't get her to say what you want that's all. No, no need to post photos. Unless you really want to... It might reveal signs of (psychic) character, evidence of subtle aura auroras, that sort of thing if you know what I mean? So go ahead!
What about the Ip Rit & Vow of Ab, Total and Untakebackable Ob? Please relay details before the big event Equinox.
N Joy
I don't recall reading of an aborted child, what is the source and said circumstances?
The aborted child and the infant.
You mean Anne Lea/ Poupee then presumably; did the other one ever have a name, and how long was it that the infant lived for?
The death of Anne Leah, nicknamed Poupee, immediately preceded that of the fetus, which was half-alive when they aborted him.
Didn't Hansi want to be the Beast No. 2 at some point - anything ever come of that?
Never became Beast No. 2, unfortunately. Had a normal life, presumably.
Tha's good - the more the merrier! And in view of the coming Equinox, maybe the sooner there's something the better!
Happy Equinox, by the way!!
By not being a ventriloquist's doll, I meant you can't get her to say what you want that's all. No, no need to post photos. Unless you really want to... It might reveal signs of (psychic) character, evidence of subtle aura auroras, that sort of thing if you know what I mean? So go ahead!
We can post a couple of photos of Soror Aliana, as she is working on the Leah book, it is on-topic. She is an exhibitionist; but we'll make sure they're not too racy!
What about the Ip Rit & Vow of Ab, Total and Untakebackable Ob?
Yeppers..but those details are in the book.
I don't recall reading of an aborted child, what is the source and said circumstances?
It's in the Confessions, in the section wherein they're in Sicily. The death of Poupee was too much for Leah, who was far along in her pregnancy when it was aborted.
Thanks, found the passage and now remember, an operation to save the mother, and Crowley stricken that he had not ether available to put the child out of its misery.
No the word abortion was not used in Crowley's description.
He was devastated.
@hadgigegenraum If I remember right, he did have the ether but forgot that he had it at the time.
Yeppers..but those details are in the book.
I was thinking of where else in TKOTSR, as you mentioned seeing the 'only' source as being there - so can you provide the missing info, which would be entirely separate from Aliana's contribution?
If I remember right, he did have the ether but forgot that he had it at the time.
This doesn't really add up though - even if you remember right and the "facts" as presented are accurate, how could he just "forget"? The shock was so traumatic that it gave this most at other times highly mnemonic individual a bout of temporary amnesia about such a vital matter which held such impactful repercussions for all concerned?
The foetus would have been alive at the time, is that correct?
N jOy
I was thinking of where else in TKOTSR, as you mentioned seeing the 'only' source as being there - so can you provide the missing info, which would be entirely separate from Aliana's contribution?
I can provide the references very soon, as my new copy of the book will be ordered tomorrow.
This doesn't really add up though - even if you remember right and the "facts" as presented are accurate, how could he just "forget"? The shock was so traumatic that it gave this most at other times highly mnemonic individual a bout of temporary amnesia about such a vital matter which held such impactful repercussions for all concerned?
The foetus would have been alive at the time, is that correct?
I'd have to go back and re-read that, but if memory serves, he said that the fetus was half-alive. He was so "fucked up" by the shock of what was happening, that he just didn't think to go get it to provide to Leah and the fetus until some time later (i.e. he suffered a severe panic attack).
The incident is in the Hagiography otherwise known as the Confessions, as you well know, specifically at the end of Chapter 89, and to which I will quote a sentence relative to this thread.
"What really pulled me from the pit was the courage, wisdom, understanding and divine enlightenment of the Ape herself" Aleister Crowley
The incident is in the Hagiography otherwise known as the Confessions, as you well know, specifically a
I didn't/ don't know this incident and have forgotten all the gory details. You only produce one sentence from the relevant incident to refresh my recall from the last time I read the Hag, although that itself was rather interesting in view of A.C.'s use (and of which there is no way he wouldn't have been consciously aware) of cabbalistic terminology in his assessment, not of Alostrael he but the Ape of Thoth.
I can provide the references very soon, as my new copy of the book will be ordered tomorrow.
I hope it travels safely. Please remember to scour it well when it arrives (being the only source for your information as follows) for the references to: the Absolute (and irrevocable?) Authority of the 'Oath of Obedience'; Leah 'fully officiating' at the 10=1 Ritual; and the transfer of power on to her and her 'lineage' beyonder that.
We can post a couple of photos of Soror Aliana, as she is working on the Leah book, it is on-topic. She is an exhibitionist; but we'll make sure they're not too racy!
Don't worry about her racism, I am sure we're all broad-minded here including Paul. In fact, the mind boggles with pre-emptive imagination of just how far it was Soror A. was prepared to go!
He was so "fucked up" by the shock of what was happening, that he just didn't think to go get it to provide to Leah and the fetus until some time later (i.e. he suffered a severe panic attack).
As I remarked before, this incident seems unique to me with no similar parallel in A.C.'s life: is anyone reading aware of any other comparable examples of equal or greater magnitude wherein he was completely disabled/ discombobulated by circumstances to the extent that he was totally incapable and at a loss to use his talents, intelligence, powers of concentration, dot-connectivity and so on (to say nothing of an exceptional memory and recall)?
I'd have to go back and re-read that, but if memory serves, he said that the fetus was half-alive.
This is a bizarre half-dead half-alive 'Shrodinger's Cat' type of situation. Was the baby so premature in a second trimester it was actually unable to survive, and who would have made that evaluation - was it the medics or A.C. who decided? You remarked earlier
The death of Anne Leah, nicknamed Poupee, immediately preceded that of the fetus, which was half-alive when they aborted him.
The death of Poupee was too much for Leah, who was far along in her pregnancy when it was aborted.
This is a serious moral consideration here, the fact that A.C. would have contemplated murdering it, even as a mercy-killing, even if to "put it out of its misery"? (was 'it' actually a boy though, as suggested above)?
Crowley was anti-abortion generally and especially after 13 weeks, which was the point when he considered the soul would enter the embryo. So as I said previously, there are some elements of this account that just don't seem to add up.
Also please refresh my memory, was this aborted child originally meant to have been conceived (literally) as a magickal child? And if so, of what ongoing significance? (as a magickal son & heir to a 'lineage')?
Equinoctal greetings & for if you're still around afterwards,
N Joy
I can provide the references very soon, as my new copy of the book will be ordered tomorrow.
I hope it travels safely.
On the way, it'll be here next week! Thanks for the blessing of goodwill, though -- can never have too much of that!
As I remarked before, this incident seems unique to me with no similar parallel in A.C.'s life: is anyone reading aware of any other comparable examples of equal or greater magnitude wherein he was completely disabled/ discombobulated by circumstances to the extent that he was totally incapable and at a loss to use his talents, intelligence, powers of concentration, dot-connectivity and so on (to say nothing of an exceptional memory and recall)?
Hmm...well, according to Crowley, this was it. And note too that he credits the Divine Alostrael, the Ape of Tahuti, with pulling him from the pit of despair.
This is a bizarre half-dead half-alive 'Shrodinger's Cat' type of situation. Was the baby so premature in a second trimester it was actually unable to survive, and who would have made that evaluation - was it the medics or A.C. who decided?
Leah was aware and strong, in spite of the pain. I imagine the doc, if needing to make a decision, followed her orders. Aleister was out of it so-to-speak, until she pulled him out of his stupor.
This is a serious moral consideration here, the fact that A.C. would have contemplated murdering it, even as a mercy-killing, even if to "put it out of its misery"? (was 'it' actually a boy though, as suggested above)?
It was dying; and I suppose, it soon died. "He"? We don't know, unless it's in the diaries.
Also please refresh my memory, was this aborted child originally meant to have been conceived (literally) as a magickal child? And if so, of what ongoing significance? (as a magickal son & heir to a 'lineage')?
Yes, actually...a major ritual was performed to make this baby no less than the incarnation of Aiwaz.
As I remarked before, this incident seems unique to me with no similar parallel in A.C.'s life: is anyone reading aware of any other comparable examples of equal or greater magnitude wherein he was completely disabled/ discombobulated by circumstances to the extent that he was totally incapable and at a loss to use his talents, intelligence, powers of concentration, dot-connectivity and so on (to say nothing of an exceptional memory and recall)?
A.'. replies - Hmm...well, according to Crowley, this was it. And note too that he credits the Divine Alostrael, the Ape of Tahuti, with pulling him from the pit of despair.
U.G. reports a similar breakdown. And a similar bailing out by a woman (who then lived with him for many years. Unlice AC, UG lays out all the fine details (over a 2-year timespan).
This is a serious moral consideration here
Un, Therion was a 9=2. Morals and moral considerations are abandoned at 6=5.