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Omission of any account of Spanish Flu pandemic in AC's Confessions. Why?  

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05/07/2020 1:22 pm  

As Ignant stated this was a bizarre omission from the hagiography. 

 

The first observations of illness and mortality were documented in the United States in Fort Riley.. The military link (and especially during War time) should raise an eyebrow.  The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans.   

 

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic

 

This was a war-time pandemic.  We know that AC worked as a propagandist and some sort of spy for the Allies so he mixed with 'top brass' of course (e.g. https://www.lashtal.com/forums/secret-agent/the-great-beast-and-the-occult-origins-of-the-great-wa/#post-3380 )

I wouldn't be surprised if  he was under (an espionage- related) Oath not to discuss it publicly because he knew it was some sort of Top Secret biological-weapon experiment that went totally out of control.

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05/07/2020 6:54 pm  
Posted by: @dom

... he knew it was some sort of Top Secret biological-weapon experiment that went totally out of control.

Yes, there's always that consideration. The US Army was already in on the ground floor of such genocidal leanings, what with their previous gifts of blankets laced with smallpox for the Indians.

 


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06/07/2020 1:18 am  

I think i mentioned this in the COVID-19 thread, but after i posted the initial comment about being surprised i could find no mention of the "Spanish Flu" pandemic in AC's work, i did some more reading.

It seems he was entirely typical of his era in never mentioning it: according to several people i read, no one much talked about it after it was over- there was a sort of historical amnesia. The trauma was folded into the immense trauma from the huge amount of death during WW I.

Worth noting that more soldiers and sailors died of infectious disease than battlefield wounds during the US Civil War, and that too was sort of forgotten, or lumped into the general category of "war dead". One reason the United States won was better medical care for sick troops. Care for battlefield wounds was miserable on both sides.


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06/07/2020 3:02 am  
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more soldiers and sailors died of infectious disease than battlefield wounds during the US Civil War

At that time, they had no operating concepts that dealt with microbes and infection, nor how to properly treat wounds. Cauterization was more effective. It took Florence Nightengale to get proper care, and the first nurses out of her school were in 1865, in Liverpool, which was too far away, and just too late to catch the Civil War.

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07/07/2020 12:38 am  

Yeah I'm not usually one for conspiracy theory games  and I could see how the Great War would have perhaps overshadowed  that pandemic.

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07/07/2020 1:16 am  

Nightingale may not have graduated any nurses yet, but she had published Notes on Nursing: What it is and What it is not, first published in London in 1859 with a US edition a year later.

It was hugely influential on the United States Army's highly-organized Women Nurse Corps, run by social reformer Dorthea Dix, and also Clara Barton who founded the Red Cross. Union nurses initially had to be over 30, and "plain", to avoid them getting raped. Both rules were relaxed as more nurses were needed, and i guess they had run out of ugly women over 30 by that point.

The traitor Confederates had mostly slaves, whose hearts may not have been entirely with their nursing mission, and "camp-followers" [prostitutes], and little organization. The traitors would thus generally abandon their wounded and dead when they retreated, since they knew the wounded would get better care on the US side, while burdening the US troops with caring for them (so they could be paroled to go fight again after they got better).

The WW I era "Spanish Flu" was most certainly not biological warfare. If it was, it demonstrated why highly-infectious respiratory diseases are not effective weapons, in that they will almost certainly backfire upon the deployer. Unless you vaccinate your whole population in advance, and convince your enemies not to notice this.

Spent the 4th of July at a small party including 2 RNs, and they would be mad at me if i did not point these things out.


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07/07/2020 8:22 am  
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Corps, run by social reformer Dorthea Dix, and also Clara Barton who founded the Red Cross. Union nurses initially had to be over 30, and "plain", to avoid them getting raped. Both rules were relaxed as more nurses were needed, and i guess they had run out of ugly women over 30 by that point.

 

Wow, how times have changed in employer's requirements.

 

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The WW I era "Spanish Flu" was most certainly not biological warfare. If it was, it demonstrated why highly-infectious respiratory diseases are not effective weapons, in that they will almost certainly backfire upon the deployer. Unless you vaccinate your whole population in advance, and convince your enemies not to notice this.

 

Ha yes, vaccination would be required, maybe they were working on that as well unless they were dumb and didn't care, not that that describes people who ran the military back then.  

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07/07/2020 7:51 pm  
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Nightingale may not have graduated any nurses yet, but she had published , first published in London in 1859

Right. Based on what she learned in The Crimean War. I have read accounts of Nursing in the Civil War. It was a great struggle. There were nursing tents and nursing homes in captured plantations. Quite a few wounded men got to live on, with proper care. Overall, nursing was in its infancy, but it did take hold during that war. And, of course, England was developing its own line of nurses. Both anesthetics and antibiotics were still in the future.

 


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17/07/2020 4:16 pm  
Posted by: @shiva
Posted by: @dom

... he knew it was some sort of Top Secret biological-weapon experiment that went totally out of control.

Yes, there's always that consideration. The US Army was already in on the ground floor of such genocidal leanings, what with their previous gifts of blankets laced with smallpox for the Indians.

 

This myth was started in 1992 and is refuted by scholars since that time, for your edification: https://quod.lib.umich.edu/p/plag/5240451.0001.009/--did-the-us-army-distribute-smallpox-blankets-to-indians?rgn=main;view=fulltext  

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17/07/2020 4:55 pm  

Welcome back, my arithmetically-challenged comrade!


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17/07/2020 7:26 pm  
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This myth was started in 1992

Well, you know, they probably used forms of Fake News back in 1837, even out on the high plains. You and the researcher might be right ... it might be a myth of the planes, but the first 6 words of your post, quoted above, make me wonder about anything that follows, because I knew this myth a couple of decades+bbefore '92.

But then I wasn't there, and neither was any other living person, so it's all speculation and rumor and belief, with no proof for or against such atrocities or daydreams.

 


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