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Some or many of you already interested in Psychic TV and their links to William  Burroughs and Gysin may get something out of this.   

The Dreamachine Simulator - YouTube

wiki;Dreamachine - Wikipedia

The Dreamachine (a contraction of Dream Machine) is a stroboscopic flickering light art device that produces eidetic visual stimuli. Artist Brion Gysin and William S. Burroughs' "systems adviser" Ian Sommerville created the Dreamachine after reading William Grey Walter's book, The Living Brain

 

In its original form, a Dreamachine is a work of light art made from a cylinder with regularly spaced shapes cut out of its sides. The cylinder is then placed on a record turntable and rotated, depending on the scale, at either 78 or 45 revolutions per minute. A light bulb is suspended in the center of the cylinder with the rotation speed making light emanate from the holes at a consistently pulsating frequency range of 8–13 flickers per second. It is meant to be looked at through closed eyelids, upon which moving yantra-like mandala visual patterns emerge, and an alpha wave mental state is induced. The frequency of the pulsations corresponds to the electrical oscillations normally present in the human brain while relaxing.

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I actually made a physical one a few years ago but don't have it any more.  There are actually a couple of simulators online that I know of, which I've used in conjunction with meditation sessions before. 


   
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I actually made a physical one a few years ago but don't have it any more.  There are actually a couple of simulators online that I know of, which I've used in conjunction with meditation sessions before. 

 

How would you personally deal with this one?  Would you recommend staring at it or sit in front of it and keep the eyes closed?  For how long? 

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Sitting with eyes closed.  I usually do it for about 20 minutes.  I sometimes also listen to some binaural beats with it to help deepen the state.  I also like to do pranayama or other breathwork with it as well.


   
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Sitting with eyes closed.  I usually do it for about 20 minutes.  I sometimes also listen to some binaural beats with it to help deepen the state.  I also like to do pranayama or other breathwork with it as well.

 

Do you have an e.g. youtube link for those beats?  Would you recommend staring at that youtube dream machine?  My advice is, if someone wanted to do that,  find out what your limit is, 10 minutes a night?  15 minutes?  2 minutes?  I recommend listening to this whilst you do it;

  Psychic TV - Scriabinisms - YouTube

 

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[ Do you have an e.g. youtube link for those beats? 

 

I use several, all on youtube, changing when I get too used to them.  I usually use alpha or theta frequencies. Any search will turn up plenty of examples. 

 

 

Would you recommend staring at that youtube dream machine? 

That one's not bad. This is my favorite  

 

 

My advice is, if someone wanted to do that,  find out what your limit is, 10 minutes a night?  15 minutes?  2 minutes? 

That may be good advice. I started with 20 minutes, but shorter times might work better for others.

 

I recommend listening to this whilst you do it;

  Psychic TV - Scriabinisms - YouTube

 

 

Nice choice!  I've used their Thee Induction ov Trance too good effect too. 

 

 


   
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@katrice "At Stockholm" did many wonders for me. Also "AL OR AL".


   
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@katrice "At Stockholm" did many wonders for me. Also "AL OR AL".

 

AL OR AL is just great in general. 

 


   
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Posted by: @katrice

AL OR AL is just great in general. 

 

The artwork probably wouldn't make it today...

 


   
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Posted by: @katrice

 

 

Would you recommend staring at that youtube dream machine? 

That one's not bad. This is my favorite  

 

When I say 'stare' I mean stare with eyes open, did you do that?  

 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


   
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There's an online version here: Bluestwave Toolbox - The Dreammachine , along with schematics for building a physical version. I've been interested in Brion Gysin ever since I've read publications by RE/Search, way back when:  (Industrial Culture Handbook, Willliam S. Burroughs, etc.) and his novel The Process.

The Dreammachine is "viewed" with the eyes closed: the pulsating light stimulates the optical nerve and alters the brain's electrical oscillations. The "viewer" experiences increasingly bright, complex patterns of color behind their closed eyelids. The patterns become shapes and symbols, swirling around, until the "viewer" feels surrounded by colors. It is claimed that viewing a Dreamachine allows one to enter a hypnagogic state.


   
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Posted by: @soz

pulsating light stimulates the optical nerve and alters the brain's electrical oscillations.

Oh, now I know what the topic is.

In 1972 (who was even alive, yet?), Jack Schwarz demonstrated his "Photodriver" to us. Wow. A variable resistor slows or speeds up the frequency of the alternating lights (the frequency "drives" the brain through the "photo" receptors (retinae). Wow. "Say, Jack, can I get a copy of the circuit?"

"Well," he said, "we're going to patent and produce these, so the circuit is not available."

Right. So I bought an erector set, the model that has a little battery-driven motor included, some electrical parts, a couple pieces of thin wood, and a couple tubes of 5-minute epoxy (my first use of that modern miracle).

I worked all night and in the morning the machine worked ... really good! You see, I saw. That's not a koan, it means I could see auras after using it for a few minutes, without any other instruments or tricks.

One simply starts out at 12 cps (Hz), then slow the frequency down - youll be going from beta to alpha, to theta. Anyway, when somebody wanted me to build him one, it cost about $20. He was the only person who was ever impressed by the device. Hundreds of folks (seriously) tried it out, said "Wow," and walked away.

I don't think got a patent, and many folks copied his do-dad - after he got it on the market 2-3 years later. Then folks added sound and pre-programmed frequencies ... and you end up with this thread.

The device was really good for one great thrill. Let's pretend. I hand you the wand with two bulbs. You close your eyes and place the bulbs onto your eyelids. I set the gizmo to 12 cps: everyday beta range of waking consciousness under mild stress = "normal" - and I flick the ON switch.

You enjoy amazing color patterns, not unlike the initial effects of LSD or some other illegal potion that I cannot recommend as it/they are illegal in the USA + UK = 93.

Then I vary the frequency, just a little, up and down slowly and, of course, the pattern changes.

Then, instead of slowly lowering the frequency through alpha (related, but focused = dharana, then theta (where, yes, visions will arise of their own accord, but not like LSD) ... instead of that, I simply spin the dial directly to low-frequency theta, right down next to the void of 4.0 cps delta.

Does this produce an interesting effect? Yes, it does. The person is inclined to say something stronger that Wow. This is known as the drop out maneuver, also know as getting out, and attaining liberation, etc.

Unfortunately, the liberation is brief, very brief, but a brave aspirant could do it over and over (by themselves, with their own hand on the frequency dial) - until they got the "swing" of shifting from "normal" into metaphorical zero ... instantly.

This is also a trick to be learned in martial arts (without using a gizmo), so it's nothing new.

 


   
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Posted by: @soz

pulsating light stimulates the optical nerve and alters the brain's electrical oscillations.

Oh, now I know what the topic is.

In 1972 (who was even alive, yet?), Jack Schwarz demonstrated his "Photodriver" to us. Wow.

 

 I know you usually refuse to watch Youtube, but what are the chances that staring at this in a dark room and preferably on a TV screen 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2jbZgxR1jI&t=302s

 

turns on the neuroelectric circuit?   

 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


   
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Posted by: @david-lemieux

  

When I say 'stare' I mean stare with eyes open, did you do that?  

 

 

I tired the one you shared- I got some results but not as intense as the other simulators- maybe because the flickering is more full screen with those, rather than just in the center, like one would get with a physical dreamachine?  With every dreamachine or simulator I've tried, I experiment with with eyes open and eyes closed. From my experience, eyes closed produces a deeper altered state, but fewer visuals. 

Really, the dreamachine is a precursor to the mind machine. 

 

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Unfortunately, the liberation is brief, very brief, but a brave aspirant could do it over and over (by themselves, with their own hand on the frequency dial) - until they got the "swing" of shifting from "normal" into metaphorical zero ... instantly.

 

Which is why I like to use a dreamachine simulator as part of my regular meditation practice. 

 


   
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Posted by: @david-lemieux

turns on the neuroelectric circuit?   

The frequency is 10 cps/fps/Hz, which is right in the middle of the alpha (relaxed, but focused) range. I did not experience visions arising of their own accord, which would be theta and include the electric circuit.

I have little knowledge or experience in this electro-wizardry beyond what I have already related, but I cannot help but notice that the flasher you provided is viewed from a single source (screen). The method I mentioned has two (2) sources, one for each eyelid, that alternate. The difference is 2D versus 3d, and there is a big difference.

Farter Shiva recommends the two=bulb, 3D model (or any make).

Farter Shiva also recommends trying this stuff out, then building your own model much chaper than the profiteers, then finding your own frequency or program for dropping out, without prolonged reliance on Iother people's projects.

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Really, the dreamachine is a precursor to the mind machine. 

And, like strange drugs, these strange devices are a precursor to getting out without external devices, pills, or tea..

 


   
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