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Shiva
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18/04/2020 7:24 pm  
Posted by: @dom

We should only view them as a wacky possibility

This is a reasonable approach. Both RELIGION and CONSPIRACIES (plus POLITICAL RHETORIC) are filled with wacky possibilities ... which we, the people, are supposed to accept as The TRUTH.

I am willing to entertain POSSIBILITIES, but get really tiredof some of them. For example, a recent THEORY states AS FACT that Mme Blavatsky and her "spiritual heir," Alice Bailey, were conscious, willing agents of the Eugenics movement ...

"The study or practice of attempting to improve the human gene pool by encouraging the reproduction of people considered to have desirable traits and discouraging or preventing the reproduction of people considered to have undesirable traits"

... which is an arm of The Deep State. Crowley is held out as "The Wickedest Man who ever Lived." I wonder where our contemporary commenters got that from?

It would be my guess that these commenters are (1) Christian. (2) Stupid. (3) Hysterical. I fail to see why these people have been given keyboards when they should be seeing a Judge about their pending, enforced commitment.

I say, "Observe all theories, hold fast to that which eventually emerges as True ... in your own field of influence and endeavor."

Posted by: @dom

(Hitler never died but actually went to Brazil

Argentina, not Brazil. Many Nazi up-ups escaped to Argentina via Operation Phoenix, which was a bailout program for Fuehrers and generals, plus their families and gold. The Fuehrer didn't even know the Gens were setting this up, and he apparently either chose to stay ... or they never invited him due to his mental health degeneration. But some people like to claim he got out. Possible, but not probable, because (like  other claims we see) there is no "proof."

Posted by: @fraterihsan

If existence is falsehood upon falsehood, 

Dom replies: What?

Don't be confused. He is citing stuff from other threads (Dzogchen and Wu-wei) that posit illusion is inherent at all levels except the 9th, which is pure mind without conceptions. It is important right now that we not Confuse the Planes (a 747 is not a 777, although they may appear the same when 5 miles up)) and physically die from rogue viruses

Covid-19 is a concept (and a problem on the illusionary physical plane).

 


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18/04/2020 8:13 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

Argentina, not Brazil.

Actually Argentina, and Brazil, and Chile, and other countries. Including the US of A, if they were rocket, or nuclear, scientists.

In southern Brazil, there are entire Bavarian villages full of German-speaking folk, and very elderly men with very good posture and facial scars buying pastries. There is also a town in another part of Brazil full of folks descended from US Confederates who moved there so they could still own slaves after they lost the Civil War.


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18/04/2020 8:17 pm  

Canada and EU pledge international cooperation in COVID-19 fight

https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2020/04/14/canada-and-eu-pledge-international-cooperation-in-covid-19-fight/

“Collaboration in international research and innovation is essential in the global fight against the COVID-19 pandemic,” said the joint statement by Canada’s Francois-Philippe Champagne and the EU’s Josep Borrell Fontelles.

...

 

Working on vaccines, treatment and diagnostics

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Both Ottawa and Brussels support the work of the Global Research Collaboration for Infectious Disease Preparedness network and the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI) in leading international efforts to develop vaccines, the statement said.

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Canada and the European Commission, the EU’s executive arm, along with 14 other countries are also signatories of the open letter to publishers on open access to COVID-19 research, signed in March.

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Ensuring free movement of medical supplies

 

“We remain committed to a transparent, rules-based trading system more generally, as a means to support the resilience of supply chains to continue to function in this crisis and to expedite the economic recovery that will follow.”

 ...

 

Countering disinformation campaigns

 

Canada and the EU are also collaborating on countering “the spread of disinformation and myths about the virus and efforts to undermine our unity,” the statement said without naming the foreign entities engaged in these campaigns.

 


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18/04/2020 8:23 pm  

Trump
“it’s totally under control,” ‘it will all work out well,” “it will disappear like a miracle,” “we pretty much shut it down coming in from China,”

Vietnam
Jan. 11, Vietnam quickly tightened health checks at all borders and airports. Visitors’ body temperatures are checked on arrival; anyone with symptoms, such as cough, fever, chest pain or breathing difficulties, is quickly isolated for testing, and strictly monitored at medical facilities, while recent contacts are traced for follow up action.
Vietnam developed a fast, efficient and affordable test kit within a month
https://consortiumnews.com/2020/04/16/covid-19-vietnam-winning-new-war-against-invisible-enemy/


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18/04/2020 10:49 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

In southern Brazil

Yes, southern Brazil was a major spillover, as was Uruguay. I was merely referring to the legend of Adolf (specifically) in Argentina. I have encountered three myth-makers who all agreed on the country, and never heard of Brazil as his new home. But for all anyone knows, it might have been Antarctica, Wuhan, or DIB (Dead in Bunker) in Deutschland Uber Zilch.

Posted by: @tiger

“it’s totally under control,” ‘it will all work out well,” “it will disappear like a miracle,” “we pretty much shut it down coming in from China,”

As a physician, I considered all of this "political rhetoric," intended (rather stupidly, from my twisted, medical viewpoint) to calm the populace and keep the mills milling. He apparently has some advisors in the back room who get to him, because he sometimes burts and then changes to an anti-blurt, official stance a day or two later. Maybe the advisors just read him the popularity polls.

Posted by: @tiger

Vietnam developed a fast, efficient and affordable test kit within a month

It's funny, I guess the word is moronic ironic, how some things get turned around. This illustrates the concept of a changing reality.


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23/04/2020 11:07 pm  

Well we will see how this works out.  Sweden has no huge amount of deaths because they simply sheltered the elderly and infirm.  No lock down at all pretty much.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-lockdown-in-sweden-but-stockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.html

 

 

Perhaps USA et al should have kept about as usual, and merely sheltered their at risk population?  Not sure but the signs are slightly tilting in that direction, imho.

 

This also just in, in NYC about 21% of people tested had antibodies. 21%  out of the 8 million population is around 1,680,000 people.  Out of that we have (supposedly/known) 15,000 deaths / people with antibodies = .8 percent death rate. . . that is quadruple the flu if I recall but perhaps hardly worth the draconian measures being implemented or attempted. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/23/new-york-antibody-study-estimates-13point9percent-of-residents-have-had-the-coronavirus-cuomo-says.html

 

 

In a month perhaps it will be seen if it was truly worth tanking the greatest economy that the USA and most of the world had known in decades and decades.  Not to mention the increase in suicides, overdoses and the like. 

 

 

 

 

 


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23/04/2020 11:29 pm  

The people with the means of cushioning themselves with the virus are all hoping that the people without the means to cushion themselves will agree; and that the dead who died from the virus will not rebound up and down along with the economy.


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23/04/2020 11:44 pm  

@tiger

I agree.  That's why it's a balancing act between protection and living our lives in a smart manner, but not complete total home arrest.   Just interesting to see the news coming out.  Will be keeping an eye on Sweden....


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24/04/2020 12:13 am  
Posted by: @christibrany

@tiger

I agree.  That's why it's a balancing act between protection and living our lives in a smart manner, but not complete total home arrest.   Just interesting to see the news coming out.  Will be keeping an eye on Sweden....

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/swedens-massive-public-health-gamble-is-failing

There is already enough data to suggest that a widespread laissez-faire is just a dangerous gamble with human life. Sweden is experiencing a higher death toll than its neighbouring countries. While the Scandinavian countries reported their first fatalities at roughly the same time, at the start of April Sweden had 239 fatalities, now they have 1,540, a 6-fold increase in just under 3 weeks. Meanwhile Denmark has had a 3-fold increase in deaths during they time and Norway 2-fold. In pure per capita terms, the three countries have around the same rate of total infections but Sweden’s mortality rate is much higher, and higher again compared to neighbouring Finland............

 

There are now alarming reports, including in the Washington Post, that the virus has spread to one-third of nursing homes in the capital Stockholm, resulting in rising fatalities. There is also little indication that the Swedish economy has weathered the coronavirus economic storm any better than comparable countries

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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24/04/2020 7:39 am  

Trump suggests injecting people with disinfectant to beat coronavirus: I think this is a fantastic idea for all MAGA cult members, I really do believe they should immediately heed the exhortation of their glorious leader.


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24/04/2020 10:33 am  

Between a rock and a hard place.  Stay away from work and allow the coming neo Great Depression to fester more and more or go to work and dig more mass graves as the health service collapses.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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24/04/2020 2:32 pm  

Scientist-In-Chief Donald Trump has suggested that the answer to COVID-19 is injecting disinfectants, or perhaps light "brought [...] inside the body, which you can do either through the skin, or in some other way." This follows up on his advocacy of hydrochloroquine, which turns out to increase death rates among COVID-19 patients by 17%.

https://t.co/bnzHc56Cxa

Horrified manufacturers of Lysol issue warnings to please not inject, or consume, disinfectants:

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-trump-disinfectant-cure-20200424-iqkx726sffgv7iq654neytqaea-story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/24/disinfectant-injection-coronavirus-trump/

[Oh i see @azrael2393 beat me to it, but i added the part about the light "through the skin" and the Lysol manufacturers, so some value added here]


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24/04/2020 2:41 pm  

I think he now surpasses G.W. Bush as being the dumbest and most inarticulate American President in history.   I'd go further, surely now this man is not fit for office.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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24/04/2020 3:04 pm  

He is dumber than Bush the Younger and St. Ronald Reagan combined, or subtracted from each other, which is i think how we add negative numbers. By a lot.

People as stupid as him regularly get elected to Congress, but rarely to the Senate, and never before to President.

More people have died in the US from COVID-19 so far than were killed in Viet Nam, or the Korean War. We will have more dead from COVID-19 than died in WW I by the end of the day tomorrow at the latest. In four months. It is pretty likely that more Americans will die this year from COVID-19 than have died in all wars combined.

Of course, we will never know how many of those people wouldn't be dead if the US elected Presidents by majority vote, and Hillary Clinton were President. But i think her harshest critics would not suggest that there is the slightest chance that she would ever suggest injecting Lysol.


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24/04/2020 3:24 pm  

Correction: US COVID-19 deaths will surpass WW I deaths sometime today, not by the end of tomorrow. We hit 50,000 this morning, and there will certainly be more than 3,402 deaths today.

I am not including Spanish Flu deaths among troops in this number; we'll hit total WW I deaths, inclusive of Spanish Flu deaths, sometime early next week. Or sooner, if the MAGAs infecting each other at these astroturf "protests" accelerate infection rates.


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24/04/2020 4:06 pm  

@ignant666

Actually what might be termed "purple beyond purple" is medically relevant.... but of course the medical monopoly are freaked out that, someone, anyone, Trump, might be suggesting something outside the box...or rather something from the past that was forgotten and suppressed...suppressed by mockery by the mobs...the folk folly run by the press... 

Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation--The Forgotten Cure!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783265/

https://www.mednetnews.com/2020/04/20/aytu-bioscience-signs-exclusive-global-license-with-cedars-sinai-for-potential-coronavirus-treatment/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


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24/04/2020 4:25 pm  

Yes, and the "medical monopoly" are also trying to cover up the sekrit benefits of injecting Lysol, and drinking bleach.

Thanx be unto the gods that we have Dr. Trump on the case...

Do you honestly believe Trump was referring to the article and news item you cite? Watch the video of his remarks i posted.

Here you can see one of his tame MDs, the fundamentalist Xian and noted AIDS bigot Dr. Deborah Birx, reacting to Dr. Trump's research hypotheses:

https://twitter.com/Daniel_Lewis3/status/1253482576699969537


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24/04/2020 5:34 pm  

@ignant666

i saw the video and knew exactly what he was trying to refer to, not the middle school insanity of the media you seem to be sucked into when not doing a good job bashing RTC fantasies...

So why are you referring to the expression of someone, 'Dr.' Brix you call an 'AIDS bigot' as something of import, along with the latest crap headlines...

Deborah Brix is worse than an 'AIDS' bigot, as she is firmly in the genocidalist camp, and should be fired by the President.


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24/04/2020 5:47 pm  

Well, despite her history, Birx is at least an MD and a qualified scientist, reacting live with horror and nonplussed-ness  to Trump's inane babbling that you imagine i hear through "the middle school insanity of the media". No- just listening to his own words. Just like his toady Dr. Birx is.

So you actually believe that when Trump mentions "Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful — light. And I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it? And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way", he is referring to actual science, instead of just bullshitting?

Which PubMed studies would you guess he is referring to when he says "And then I see that disinfectant knocks it out in a minute. Is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?"


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24/04/2020 7:14 pm  
Posted by: @azrael2393

I think this is a fantastic idea for all MAGA cult members

What does MAGA mean? It adds to 45, so it's cool ... but it may need sterilizing.

Posted by: @dom

allow the coming neo Great Depression to fester more and more or go to work and dig more mass graves as the health service collapses.

Well, that a cheery series of world-ending scenarios. The New Aeon might require a tad more of the positive thinking practice. When you seem to be having a hard time breathing, then you can give it all up and die ... hopefully to attain rainbow body status.

Posted by: @ignant666

Scientist-In-Chief Donald Trump has suggested

What a terrible thing for us to have to watch: A grown president, losing his mind while speaking alound. Whatever happened to that popular maxim? Engage brain before opening mouth. I am reminded of certain, unnamed LAShTAL posters.

Posted by: @ignant666

light "through the skin" and the Lysol manufacturers, so some value added here]

You have earned Two (2) Reward Points (worth $ 0.001 [each], redeemable on your next purchase of any of the New Aeon fantasy-fiction series by the Hare.

Posted by: @dom

I think he now surpasses G.W. Bush as being the dumbest and most inarticulate American President in history.

I believe the most incredulous president was

March 4, 1857 - March 4, 1861

image

James Buchanan

He was a democrat who came just before Abramelin Lincoln, and helped to confuse the issue  of an escalating pre-civil war with redneck rebels.

Should you (anyone) wish further insight into my own nature, please pay attention: This man (shown above) is my ancestor. He had no childes - it was his brother or sister or something incestual, which my mother identified in our Family Tree of Life lineage chart, but I didn't pay attention.

Posted by: @dom

I'd go further, surely now this man is not fit for office.

Please list, in chronological order, your proposed agenda and plan-of-action for causing change to occur.

Posted by: @ignant666

the MAGAs infecting each other at these astroturf "protests" accelerate infection rates.

I still cannot break the MAGA code, because I'll be cast down before I engage another puzzle at this time, but I tend to see it pointing towards religious or personal-freedom participants of civil disobedience or herd instinct. Some people apparently suffer psychological aberrations if they are separated from the herd. Not really self-reliant holons, are they (not)?.

 


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24/04/2020 7:19 pm  

MAGA

Magicians
Adepts
Grand Masters (or "Grand" anything)
Aspirants (or Ani)

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24/04/2020 7:28 pm  

"Make America Great Again"- from their red hats. Colloquial lefty term for a Trump-cultist.

As someone i was reading today pointed out, many of these MAGA, lockdown-protesting folks are survivalist/Doomsday-preppers/militia types, who all have a month's worth of dried foods, and canned water (this is a real thing), etc in their basements. Their whole thing is being ready, tough, survivors. And after a couple weeks of staying home, with no one to shoot at, they are cracking up.

The problem is, the thing they are "ready" for is a wholly imaginary, right-wing-fantasy scenario where they are shooting brown and black people who want their canned water and MREs. But viruses are hard to shoot at.

Now they will all be injecting Lysol, especially after the "fake news" and the fake "medical establishment" tells them not to.

 


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24/04/2020 7:54 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Well, despite her history, Birx is at least an MD and a qualified scientist, reacting live with horror and nonplussed-ness  to Trump's inane babbling that you imagine i hear through "the middle school insanity of the media". No- just listening to his own words. Just like his toady Dr. Birx is.

So you actually believe that when Trump mentions "Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful — light. And I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it? And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way", he is referring to actual science, instead of just bullshitting?

Which PubMed studies would you guess he is referring to when he says "And then I see that disinfectant knocks it out in a minute. Is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?"

Did it ever occur you to most physicians are dolts...but of course you would as you are part of the 'legal' profession, and probably got an Esquire besides your name, which plays the Dr.s round in circles, as part of the insurance scams and medical fraud racket made legal by the lawyers...yes the dolt Medical Doctors are basically further corralled into fear and not straying outside the box in fear of a malpractice lawsuits...So is your mug up on one of those billboards in yonkers/

yes it is a racket, a racket that was solidified into practice by the Rockerfellas and their attendant pharmaceutical cartels, taking over the medical schools and the whole science...

yes it is quite sad to see smart people being played, because they ultimately have no imagination which is the basis for science, but it seems that by calling into question Trump's hypothesis, that you just playing the hypothesis non figaro line of the academies run by the dominant oligarchies...

Now since this is the Aleister Crowley Society, and i have not read this thread....would not issue concerning AC's ministrations into the world of therapeutics be apropos?


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24/04/2020 7:58 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

civil war with redneck rebels.

You must refer to the War of Northern Aggression.

Posted by: @shiva

Should you (anyone) wish further insight into my own nature, please pay attention: This man (shown above) is my ancestor.

You lucky duck. Imagine my consternation when the topic of presidential ancestors arises and I'm not only obliged to mention that I am related to Millard Fillmore, but then forced to explain who Millard Fillmore was.


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24/04/2020 8:29 pm  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Did it ever occur you to most physicians are dolts

Yes, i am more than aware that many/most "Me Doctors" are self-impressed idiots who last read any science in med school.

Because in fact i am a bona fide research scientist (retired), with a long track record of peer-reviewed publications (see link on my profile page). In addition to having been a lawyer, a very long time ago.

But the stupidest MD on the planet knows better than to advocate injecting Lysol on national television.

I am proud to say that, according to my mom's exhaustive gemological research, i am related to no US Presidents whatever, or to anyone famous ever.


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24/04/2020 10:33 pm  
Posted by: @djedi

You lucky duck. Imagine my consternation when the topic of presidential ancestors arises and I'm not only obliged to mention that I am related to Millard Fillmore, but then forced to explain who Millard Fillmore was.

And I have a great "ant" (phonetic: aunt) over the water who claims kinship with/from Martin van Buren (she may of course be lying).

Er - is there any prize for the winner in this?

N Joy


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24/04/2020 11:26 pm  
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24/04/2020 11:44 pm  
Posted by: @djedi

You must refer to the War of Northern Aggression.

As an expert in these matters (judging martial combat), and as a shaky mystic (being able to see both sides), it is my professional opinion that the south threw the first physical punch. I have no problem understanding your re-phrasing. The Night they Burned Old Dixie Down.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Er - is there any prize for the winner in this?

On your side, there would be claims of royalty and perhaps ownership of castles. On our side, we don't believe in that royalty BS and you have to be a Mason or a Senator in real-time to have any influence. So ancestry doesn't count for much, if anything. We're an unruly lot, you know. Back in the older olden days, we threw the first punch against the King, at something called the Boston Tea Party.

 


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24/04/2020 11:55 pm  
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Did it ever occur you to most physicians are dolts

Yes, i am more than aware that many/most "Me Doctors" are self-impressed idiots who last read any science in med school.

Because in fact i am a bona fide research scientist (retired), with a long track record of peer-reviewed publications (see link on my profile page). In addition to having been a lawyer, a very long time ago.

But the stupidest MD on the planet knows better than to advocate injecting Lysol on national television.

I am proud to say that, according to my mom's exhaustive gemological research, i am related to no US Presidents whatever, or to anyone famous ever.

no one ever spoke about injecting lysol but the press, its a fucking metaphor, thus not found under a microscope, but certainly we know about people who found things under microscopes such as Antoinne Beauchamp....well Pasteur was a bully and lawyers know about being bullies, so your logic is like wise appeal to authority, congratulations on recognized capabilities and retirement, that then juts off into something from rtc world which is just normal banter of the denizens of the dialectic...have fun...so does the orange man have a tanning bed...unbelievable...and maybe thats the problem...not enough tanning beds forget the fucking ventilators...

i am sure Crowley had some interesting ideas on therapeutics...anyone

Thanks...


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25/04/2020 12:06 am  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

i am sure Crowley had some interesting ideas on therapeutics...anyone

As discussed above, AC never seems to mention the Spanish Flu despite it killing millions during his lifetime.

If eating semen cured COVID-19, i think there would be at least anecdotal evidence out there by now.

BTW: you asked me if it had ever occurred to me that most MDs are dolts. i said yes, it had, and that i had personal experience of their doltishness, being a scientist. This is not an "argument from authority", which in turn is not a fallacious form of argument.

I was a scientist for about ten times as many years as i was a lawyer, FYI. And certainly some lawyers "know about being bullies". Other lawyers represent folks getting bullied. Guess which kind i was?


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25/04/2020 1:39 am  

@ignant666

Now I appreciate your clarifications, though my consternation was with how you belittled your credentials and experience to take a turn in your logic expressive of something incongruent with such standing, but so what. while i know you to have a top notch cantankerousness that would certainly be on the side of defending against bullies.

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25/04/2020 4:26 am  

Canada is transitioning soon to 'The Dance'. Provinces will be handling their own dances with support from the fed and inter-provincial cooperation. Even with the talk of loosening restrictions there's still some new regulations trickling in, most recently a federal rule making masks mandatory on flights within the nation and some provinces are taking over private long term care facilities which have been shown to be badly lacking.

The general message to the nation is that the virus won't be eradicated and is expected to spread and be caught by everyone at some point, even if the current lockdown is maintained. The dance is said to allow society to begin a 'new normal' that will be carefully monitored to keep the curve well within medical capacity. This will be helped if federal considerations remain consistent, like the border remaining locked down, which should make the changes easier to monitor/trace and to reinstate/loosen restrictions as needed.

This pandemic as a global event considered sociologically is revealing in what it shows about the people of a nation, their educational level, their values, their social and political nature and how these work together nationally to adapt to circumstances. With so much variation there are going to be many studies about this pandemic in the future which should improve how people/nations handle similar events.


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25/04/2020 6:58 am  
Posted by: @xon

This pandemic as a global event considered sociologically is revealing in what it shows about the people of a nation, their educational level, their values, their social and political nature and how these work together nationally to adapt to circumstances. With so much variation there are going to be many studies about this pandemic in the future which should improve how people/nations handle similar events.

Well put.

 


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25/04/2020 10:30 am  
Posted by: @shiva

 

Posted by: @dom

allow the coming neo Great Depression to fester more and more or go to work and dig more mass graves as the health service collapses.

Well, that a cheery series of world-ending scenarios. The New Aeon might require a tad more of the positive thinking practice. When you seem to be having a hard time breathing, then you can give it all up and die ... hopefully to attain rainbow body status.

If you want to read reptile-ape (first 2 circuits) perceptions on my behalf into that then be my guest.   To be clear, apparently the UK government  is saying that the death-toll peak is here so that may be  a light at the end of this tunnel..  

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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25/04/2020 3:50 pm  

LaRouche liked to beat up on Aleister Crowley in various publications, though he was probably not aware or pronouncements by AC in the Confessions that were certainly against Malthusianism and cultural pessimism and thus beyond the Sg. Pepper poster child role of the 'world's wickedest man' as deemed and used by the fake news deep state of the financial oligarchy of the City of London/Wall Street axis of the British Empire...

i will find the quote in Confessions, but this Conference, this weekend, watch from the beginning is the prerequisite towards a full discussion of the present crisis...agree or not, this is what is the crisis a world war crisis and against a new dark ages....

https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2020/03/29/conference-mankinds-existence-now-depends-on-the-establishment-of-a-new-paradigm/  


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25/04/2020 4:08 pm  

Oh, i do miss the Larouchites/NCLC.

They were among the most fun people to troll on the streets of NYC when i was a mere boy and a beardless youth.

"More Nukes Less Kooks!" and of course the crucial social /political importance of concert A being 432 hz, not 440.

And evil rock music as a psy-op by British Intelligence. As is well known, MI-5 launched the Beatles and Stones as mind control over America's youth, so that Queen Elizabeth could sell them more evil drugs. Exactly how MI-5 was responsible for Elvis, Little Richard, and Jerry Lee Lewis was less well-developed in their work.

And hats off to Her Madge for keeping the "strange drugs" flowing throughout my youth and adulthood!


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25/04/2020 7:04 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

As is well known, MI-5 launched the Beatles and Stones as mind control over America's youth, so that Queen Elizabeth could sell them more evil drugs.

Its been a long time since the British Establishment sold drugs to anybody.  In fact you have to go back to William Jardine and James Matheson in the 1830s, who, finding that they had access to a surfeit of high-grade India opium produced on Lord Napier's estates in the Punjab and seeking a fresh market, started shipping it into Canton by the boatload.

China tea was a popular drink in Victorian Engand. Jardine and Matheson had the monopoly on this trade, however the quantities exported were huge and required large amounts of silver and gold bullion to satisfy the payments demanded by Chinese merchants. Their solution was to sell the Chinese the opium, an island off China called Kowloon associated with Hong Kong was used to warehouse it, the proceeds of the opium trade balanced the tea exports and everybody was making fortunes.

Jardine Matheson had 19 inter-continental clippers by 1841, complemented by hundreds of smaller lorchas and other craft used for coastal and upriver smuggling. As well as smuggling opium into China, Jardines traded sugar and spices from the Philippines, exported Chinese tea and silk to England, acted as cargo factors and insurance agents, rented out dockyard facilities and warehouse space as well as financing trade. They are still active in Hong Kong today.

Unfortunately, the Chinese Qing Daoguang Emperor became agrieved at being cut out of the action and in 1840 ordered the seizure of 20,000 chests of Jardine Matheson opium, which was immediatly sold on via a Chinese distribution network. JM then petitioned the British Government, in 1840 a fleet was despatched, war followed and in 1842, the Treaty of Nanking was signed by official representatives of both Britain and China. It allowed the opening of major five major Chinese ports to the opium trade, provided indemnification for the opium destroyed and completed the formal annexation of the island of Hong Kong.

It didn't end there. A second opium war was fought out 1856–1860 as a rival Chinese Emperor took power in Canton and wanted a piece of the action. In October 1856 he seized the British ship Arrow and threw its crew into chains. Sir John Bowring, Governor of Hong Kong, called up Admiral Sir Michael Seymour's fleet which, on 23 October, bombarded and captured the forts which guarded the approach to Canton on the Pearl River, and then proceeded to bombard Canton itself. This war resulted in a further 10 ports being opened to the opium trade and by 1862 JM was shipping 300,000 chests of opium per annum. As was their wont, the British forced the Chinese to pay reparations for the costs of the war.

There you have it. The Chinese became hopelessly addicted to opium and it wasn't untill the Chinese Communist Party took power in 1947 that - eventually - they were weaned off it.


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25/04/2020 7:15 pm  
Posted by: @dom

If you want to read reptile-ape (first 2 circuits) ...

I read, and re-read, my posting and cannot find any reference to animals or electronics.

Posted by: @dom

the UK government  is saying that the death-toll peak is here so that may be  a light at the end of this tunnel.

1. Beware what the gov says. The gov has multiple agendas.

I look at the curve charts every day. New cases are still springing up. Large numbers of people die each day. It doesn't matter whether one falls from a roller coaster at the top of the curve (50 m) or on the downslope (only 25 m).

The UK Curve Chart Diagram Picture Image for today is ...

UK

 

Yes, the peak has passed, and its past the peak. But it still looks pretty busy out there.

The light at the tunnel's end is obliquely referenced in Ch 91 of The Book of Lies.

Posted by: @ignant666

As is well known, MI-5 launched the Beatles and Stones as mind control over America's youth, so that Queen Elizabeth could sell them more evil drugs.

I never heard (or read) that one. It is very distressing to learn that almost everyone I knew (past tense, I hardly know anyone today) was supporting a clandestine monarchy on a little island on the other side of the eastern sea.

 


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25/04/2020 7:19 pm  

I think the LaRouche theory incorporates all that history- guess who took over when the ChiComs got in?

Gangsta Big Liz II, that's who.

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"Say hello to my little friend!!"


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25/04/2020 7:23 pm  

@ignant666

I read somewhere recently that taking into account the trillions of dollar deposited in numbered accounts by global despots in the British Virgin Islands and the Cayman lsands - still under British administration - Her Maj still controls about half the worlds wealth.


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25/04/2020 7:36 pm  

MI5, known in the UK as the Security Service, was once Crowley's employer. MI5's brief is counter-subversion, as a sideline they have got involved in counter-terrorism recently.

They are widely derided here for their unbelievable incompetence, witness the number of terrorist outrages carried out in the last 40 years including the IRA pub bombings in Birmingham and the ISIL outrage in Manchester three years ago, where a deranged religious fanatic blew up an Ariana Grande concert attended by little girls and teenagers.

MI5 had a Director General called Sir Roger Hollis in the 1960's era. He is wideley believed to have been one of Stalin's Engishmen, along with Philby, Blunt, Maclean, Burgess and countless others not yet exposed


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25/04/2020 7:54 pm  

In theory, as you correctly point out, it would actually be MI-6, aka James Bond's employers, and not MI-5, that would be in charge of foreign subversion, and thus selling "jazz cigarettes", and "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" acid blotters, to America's youth. Have read (more than) my share of Fleming, Deighton, Allbeury, LeCarre, etc., as well as actual history.

But LaRouche always blamed "British Intelligence", or "MI-5", and especially Gangsta #1, Big Liz II.

Anyone who likes any of the authors i mentioned, and H.P. Lovecraft, should read Charles Stross' superb Laundry Files series ASAP, about a UK occult intelligence bureaucracy fighting nameless horrors. Even more deranged than Lyndon LaRouche's political theories, and much funnier.


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25/04/2020 8:03 pm  

@ignant666

Even more funny is that Sir Anthony Blunt, who was employed by MI5 during the war, was exposed as a Russian spy and moved out - rather than being prosecuted and hanged, as he should have been. Apparenty he threatened to expose other stalwarts of the Establishment as compromised homosexual Russian agents (being gay was illegal here in the 1950s)

He was given a job working for Her Maj in one of the palaces as "Keeper of the Queen's Pictures" to keep him quiet. A wag of my aquaintance once made me laugh by refering to him as "Keeper of the Queen's Moles"........ :}


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25/04/2020 8:14 pm  

Well, next time you see her, just say "Hey, thanks for all the reefers, and also for all the LSD acid blotters, ma'am!", on behalf of a grateful American public.

Can't have been easy, being a woman in the drug trade, especially in her early days. A real pioneer.

[i can't believe, BTW, that a simple google of "Elizabeth II shooting" brings up "Big Liz" and her "little friend"- i was expecting to have to settle for some grouse hunting on the moors! For a woman in her 80s, firing a full-auto weapon with no hearing protection, her steely gaze, and total lack of flinch, are impressive testimony to the personal qualities that led to her rise to her current total hegemony among the world's gangsters.]


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25/04/2020 8:36 pm  

It was Ken Kesey travelling the freeways in an old school bus and aranging the Acid Tests with the Greatful Dead that turned America on to Lucy. Tim Leary had a lot to do with it too.

I believe marijuana abuse started in New Orleans, where it was the only intoxicant the freed slaves could afford. As far as i'm aware, Her Maj does not indulge - she is said to smoke Dunhill Virginia cigarettes and she likes a stiff gin and tonic. Now, her wayward son Prince Andrew.....thats another story lol


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25/04/2020 9:02 pm  

All those hippie and beatnik cats got turned on to acid by an ex-US intelligence guy called "Cappy" Hubbard, who may have gotten hold of a jar of acid from "Wild Bill" Donovan of the OSS/CIA.

But he definitely turned on Huxley, Dylan etc, and is said to have turned on 6,000 people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Matthew_Hubbard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Donovan

https://socialhistoryoflsd.wordpress.com/04-psychedelic-pioneers/   [full text of Acid Dreams: The Complete Social History of LSD: The CIA, the Sixties, and Beyond, Martin A. Lee and Bruce Shlain; see also Storming Heaven: LSD and the American Dream, Jay Stevens]

But they all worked for the Queen.


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25/04/2020 9:18 pm  

We had a PhD chemist here called Richard Kemp in the 1970's. He worked out a way to synthesise ultra-pure acid, which was sold all over the UK and Europe. The people organising the distribution network got him to make a 10kg batch of his pure acid - enough to keep the world supplied for generations.

As always seems to happen, somebody got greedy and after a fatal car crash involving Kemp's car the police decided to investigate him. Kemp, his network and another network that spun out of his eventually got busted. Everybody went down for years and years. The cops recovered one and a half kilos of pure acid from under the foor in Kemp's cottage in Wales. They never got the rest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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25/04/2020 9:59 pm  

@ignant666

Was i mistaken, you defend bullies, or are you just making an observation concerning gang leaders... yes she can shoot...

remember old Dodi Al Fayed....did he live in the Boulaq district btw...

 


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25/04/2020 10:05 pm  

To those whom might want to follow issues of "intelligence" then this old report might be of fun, for it provides a secret of an inner elite of millennia...Considered by many one of the 'classics', and best to go to source material rather than heresy gossip, which is actually the nature of the secret given in ultimately learning to think against forces of enslavement.

http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Library.INNERELITES


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26/04/2020 1:48 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

... are impressive testimony to the personal qualities that led to her rise to her current total hegemony among the world's gangsters.

Wasn't she just born into a wealthy family?

And then took advantage of he family's status to move up the ladder?

Now, returning to the subject on the table, it is my impression, after looking at the curving pic of death and disorder for several countries, that the peak has peaked. But it's not sliding back down symmetrically, like in the famous boob bell-shaped curve.

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Instead, there is either a ragged, hi-altitude plateau, or a saw-toothed, slow descent ... and nasty sharp spikes poke up on the road hither homeward.

Here's today's Johnny Hopkins chart for the top ten winners. China is to the left. USA is the roller coaster Mount Everest on the right and up top.

chart

Anyone can probably find their country's graph, each day, at
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases

The only thing to be said after direct observation is, "The waves seem to be getting smaller, but the storm is still raging."

All articles on "Can you get it twice?" or "Will recoverees be immune?" include a "?" in the title, and the text says, "We don't know. We will have to wait and see."

 


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