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26/04/2020 2:08 am  

The big issue now?  Can you get COVID again?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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26/04/2020 3:48 am  
Posted by: @dom

The big issue now?  Can you get COVID again?

Only one of many mysteries. "We don't know." We will have to wait and see what the fifth ray scientists say and reveal or conceal.

Or maybe we can simply be on the lookout for the first story about somebody who caught it a second time.

 


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26/04/2020 3:18 pm  

ignant666: "As discussed above, AC never seems to mention the Spanish Flu despite it killing millions during his lifetime."

The "Spanish Flu" is covered in AC's interpretation of his The Book of the Law, authored by him so that he could conveniently hide behind "Aiwass" as a fraudulent pseudonym (*):

"“There is a good deal of the Nietzschean standpoint in this verse. It is the evolutionary and natural view. Of what use is it to perpetuate the misery of Tuberculosis, and such diseases (**), as we now do? Nature’s way is to weed out the weak. This is the most merciful way, too. At present all the strong are being damaged, and their progress hindered by the dead weight of the weak limbs and the missing limbs, the diseased limbs and the atrophied limbs. The Christians to the Lions!”
– Commentary to The Book of the LawII:21" (Source: Thelemic Union[:] Aleister Crowley On Friedrich Nietzsche - - - https://thelemicunion.com/aleister-crowley-friedrich-nietzsche/ )

((*): "Thelemites today hold a wide spectrum of beliefs regarding Crowley's status as prophet. Some view Crowley as he did himself—the literal messenger of a new spiritual Law for mankind. Others believe that "Aiwass" was simply an unconscious (or even fraudulent pseudonym) of Crowley, and that the merit of the Book rests solely on its content without need for objective verification. Yet others disregard Crowley altogether. However, it is reasonable to say that Crowley still plays a very large role in the understanding of Thelema, and his words are constantly used to promulgate its doctrines today."(Source: Aleister Crowley From Thelemapedia - - - http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Aleister_Crowley )

((**) "Tuberculosis is a global pandemic, killing someone approximately every 21 seconds — about 1.5 million in 2018 alone.", source: Global Pandemic | TB Alliance - - - https://www.tballiance.org/why-new-tb-drugs/global-pandemic  )

 


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26/04/2020 3:39 pm  

That is a comment on infectious disease generally, but not specific to the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918-20.

No one has turned up anything directly about this topic, which seems remarkable. We are going through the only comparable modern pandemic now, and i think few of us will soon forget it.


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26/04/2020 5:59 pm  
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

"Spanish Flu" is covered in AC's interpretation of his The Book of the Law

I read the selected lines. I did not see "Spanish Flu/Influenza" mentioned anywhere, despite the (*) detours and reference to Tuberculosis. The philosophic content of AC's words are clear; the Spanish Flu remains unmentioned.

Posted by: @ignant666

No one has turned up anything directly about this topic

Just as I thought. It was just another one of those ... what are they called? ... Hoaxes.


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26/04/2020 6:18 pm  

I dunno maybe wrwb and Crowley were hypnotized so as not to see the Spanish Flu? 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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26/04/2020 6:55 pm  
Posted by: @dom

wrwb and Crowley were hypnotized so as not to see the Spanish Flu? 

ALL of us must have been mind-control hypnoed because none of us can find it. Except at Wikipedia and other "Fake News" sites.

Today, the NY Times reports ...

"team of 50 scientists evaluated 14 available tests for coronavirus antibodies. Only three passed ...'

Quality control issues. If recovery depends on testing, recovery will be found wanting.

“There is this grieving of life as we once knew it that wasn’t there before, as we try to come to terms with the new reality,” a psychologist in Manhattan said."

Hey, everyone, everywhere! The New Age, imposed by Horus, is now showing through dark clouds near your neighborhood, where ...
self-reliant individuals are being born
and the Herd Instinct is being shorn.

 

 


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26/04/2020 7:21 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

[i can't believe, BTW, that a simple google of "Elizabeth II shooting" brings up "Big Liz" and her "little friend"

By so doing, you have doubtless set a little red light going somewhere within the bowels of MI5/ Cheltenham GCHQ's labyrinthine monitoring systems cross-referenced with your googling of other potentially 'questionable' sites, flagging you as a 'maybe foreign subversive type' and sending a 'cc' across to the NSC for information.  Collect enough flags, and you qualify to get awarded a star ("for special attention").  Or am I being just too paranoid?! 🤣 

Don't know if you're able to get <spooks> over there (on BBC iplayer now): the episodes (having received some insider guidance I understand) are generally professionally put together (as in, well acted, written and directed) and with 86 episodes also make for some good lockdown entertainment.

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We had a PhD chemist here called Richard Kemp in the 1970's. He worked out a way to synthesise ultra-pure acid, which was sold all over the UK and Europe. The people organising the distribution network got him to make a 10kg batch of his pure acid - enough to keep the world supplied for generations. [...] The cops recovered one and a half kilos of pure acid from under the foor in Kemp's cottage in Wales. They never got the rest.

The ne plus ultra bounty of Operation Julie, no less.  In the words of Maurice Chevalier "I remember it well", from back when it was legal obtainable.  Believed to have been stashed near Totnes and/or outside Reading in the end, or so I was told. (Please ignore those last two statements).

Posted by: @shiva

All articles on "Can you get it twice?" or "Will recoverees be immune?" include a "?" in the title, and the text says, "We don't know. We will have to wait and see."

Some will be immune with multiple infections as well as just the one - if they're genetically predisposed/ lucky.

Posted by: @ignant666

That is a comment on infectious disease generally, but not specific to the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918-20.

No one has turned up anything directly about this topic, which seems remarkable. We are going through the only comparable modern pandemic now, and i think few of us will soon forget it.

I agree, as well. 

Except, with Spanish Flu, they never lived through lockdown (that modern in-vogue phrase for that modern "remedy")

Stay healthy all!

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26/04/2020 8:17 pm  

@jamiejbarter
“ By so doing, you have doubtless set a little red light going somewhere within the bowels of MI5/ Cheltenham GCHQ's labyrinthine monitoring systems cross-referenced with your googling of other potentially 'questionable' sites, flagging you as a 'maybe foreign subversive type' and sending a 'cc' across to the NSC for information. Collect enough flags, and you qualify to get awarded a star ("for special attention"). Or am I being just too paranoid?! “

no
just revealing your self as the alarm system whistle blower.


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26/04/2020 8:35 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Or am I being just too paranoid?

Ignant is immortal and untouchable. Please knock off the Psychiatric Play-Acting and get out there and find more bullets.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

they never lived through lockdown

They, and modern complainers are wimpy wimps. As a remedy, they are directed to the fact that some Tibetan lamas get brickwalled into a cave for seven years. Some zealots go for a lifetime sentence. Please compare "Lockdown" with "Brickwalled," then consider your new-found freedom.

And the name of this temporary Kaaba era shall be "The Brickwalled Clerk House."

 


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26/04/2020 9:00 pm  

Shiva: "I read the selected lines. I did not see "Spanish Flu/Influenza" mentioned anywhere ...".

Crowley's words: "... Of what use is it to perpetuate the misery of Tuberculosis, and such diseases, as we now do?  ..."

Tuberculosis is an epidemic (or potentially pandemic) disease, so AC using the words "and such diseases" right after mentioning the epidemic (or potentially pandemic) disease Tuberculosis, does cover other epedemic (or potentially pandemic) diseases like for example "Spanish Flu/Influenza".


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26/04/2020 11:28 pm  
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

Tuberculosis is an epidemic (or potentially pandemic) disease, so AC using the words "and such diseases" right after mentioning the epidemic (or potentially pandemic) disease Tuberculosis, does cover other epedemic (or potentially pandemic) diseases like for example "Spanish Flu/Influenza".

A very sensible sort of answer from you there, well - as per usual!

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

AC's interpretation of his The Book of the Law, authored by him so that he could conveniently hide behind "Aiwass" as a fraudulent pseudonym 

Though that was very forthright of you all of a sudden there, well!  Care to go into any furthur detail?

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[J]ust revealing your self as the alarm system whistle blower.

B-But, I signed the "Official Secrets Act" and been positively vetted!

Posted by: @shiva

They, and modern complainers are wimpy wimps. As a remedy, they are directed to the fact that some Tibetan lamas get brickwalled into a cave for seven years. Some zealots go for a lifetime sentence. Please compare "Lockdown" with "Brickwalled," then consider your new-found freedom.

I trust that that proper arrangements for the provision of food and water managed to be put in place at the time, through the agency of some "Hole in the wall", or similar...

N Joy


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27/04/2020 12:53 am  
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

Crowley's words: "... Of what use is it to perpetuate the misery of Tuberculosis, and such diseases, as we now do?  ..."

I got ot my magifier glass, and then called in three neighbors (who speak Spanish because the come from Mexico) to digitally look (social distancia, you know?), and I'll be darned, but not a single one of us could even pretend to see the words "Spanish" or "flu" or influentza."

"Such diseases" may be taken, by non-Hispanic readers, to remotely include diarrhea, meningitis, and flus. It does not mean anybody actually referred to the "Spanish flu."

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

(or potentially pandemic) disease Tuberculosis, does cover other epedemic (or potentially pandemic) diseases like for example "Spanish Flu/Influenza".

A very tentative and shaky position to take when considering we are specifically looking for the words "Spanish In(flu)enza,"

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

arrangements for the provision of food and water

Food and water, probably pretty plane fare, are provided through ... a slot in the wall.

Food is prepared in the lamissary by monks who deliver the fare thrice daily.

 


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27/04/2020 1:31 am  

NY Gov A.C. says about lockdown ... ""There's a sanity equation here," he says, pointing to reports that domestic violence, drug and alcohol abuse, and mental health problems have already increased."

I always knew that The Day of the Mutant Zombies would come true ... just before The End of the World.

Ignant, NYC is your duchy. Better get down there and stem that dom vio and drug use epidemic before it overtakes the viral menace. I don't know what you can do about the mental health issue. Is there a shortage of tranquilizers, or what?

 


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27/04/2020 2:26 am  
Posted by: @shiva

A very tentative and shaky position to take when considering we are specifically looking for the words "Spanish In(flu)enza,"

Yep, looks like you got well there on that one!  (I suppose you could have just embolded flu rather than bracketed (it) there, just a nitpicking thought...)

Posted by: @shiva

Food and water, probably pretty plane fare, are provided through ... a slot in the wall.

Reassuring to hear/ read.  Food a bit... woodenish, was it then?

Posted by: @shiva

Food is prepared in the lamissary by monks who deliver the fare thrice daily.

How comforting (and diverting!) for them... That must really break the daily routine up no end!

Posted by: @shiva

Ignant, NYC is your duchy. Better get down there

Got your superhero costume ready over there, ignant?

N Joy

 


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27/04/2020 2:57 am  

Time to be kind, to be calm and to be safe.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-covid-new-normal-activities-social-anxiety-1.5544951

First, the good news: by all metrics, B.C. is handling the COVID-19 outbreak nearly as well as one could hope.

Analysis by CBC News also shows that of the 40 jurisdictions in Canada, the United States or western Europe with at least five million people, B.C. has the lowest number of per capita deaths.

But now comes the tricky part — keeping the virus in check, slowly easing some restrictions and maintaining social cohesion.

All at the same time.

If the B.C. government, as expected, loosens some restrictions, the changes are almost certain to be open to interpretation. Tolerance levels for how far people are willing to relax, and what they are willing to tolerate from friends and neighbours will be tested.

Government officials admit it's a unique messaging challenge, one without much precedent.

It's part of the reason Dix and Chief Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry have spent a lot of time in the past week talking about how it might work, even if it's still weeks away, because mentally preparing people is key.

Health officials are preparing several pieces of research to give [Premier] Horgan and his cabinet next week that will help them navigate both strategy and messaging this next period.

But the best hint of what is driving their thinking might come from the book Henry once said influenced her thinking on epidemics the most.

Not a piece of research, but the 1947 Albert Camus novel The Plague.

"[It] captures the psyche of people," Henry said in a 2009 interview with the CBC's Shelagh Rogers.

"One of the things that I've learned around chasing infectious diseases is that they evoke a fear in people that is very different from other types of disasters. A lot of it comes from not understanding and not knowing and not being able to see these things that are causing disease.

"It struck me as being an important reflection on people's reactions to things."

Understand that, and you can understand why Henry's message to British Columbians every day has focused on empathy and collective understanding more than restrictions and criticizing.

After all, when Henry declared an official health emergency on March 17, she ended her initial statement with a new phrase that has been heard countless times since.

"This is our time to be kind, to be calm, and to be safe."


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27/04/2020 4:54 am  
Posted by: @xon

Time to be kind, to be calm and to be safe.

That's what a duck was trying to do. 😞 


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Posted by: @duck

That's what a duck was trying to do. 😞 

12. Remember that unbalanced force is evil; that unbalanced severity is but cruelty and oppression; but that also unbalanced mercy is but weakness which would allow and abet Evil.

- Liber Librae

 

The phrase

"This is our time to be kind, to be calm, and to be safe."

in context of the pandemic is a good example of love under will.

 

While the phrase is considerate and aimed at promoting thoughtful behavior it isn't meant to enable, validate or excuse toxic/misguided individuals, like in regards to the pandemic anti-lockdown protestors.

Today's protest in Vancouver.

Fortunately, it was quite small and the response from the public was unsupportive.  Except for these few protestors, everyone else knows the province isn't in lockdown. 

Premier Doug Ford of Ontario responded well to the protests in his province. I don't agree with some of his policies, but his messaging regarding the pandemic have been on point.

 

https://twitter.com/globalnewsto/status/1254160757006241794


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27/04/2020 2:06 pm  

Apparently there is a bio-weapon lab in Wuhan.  That may explain the outbreak.   Some lab-assistant probably accidentally dropped a test-tube or the like and the impact was global.  Who works in that lab?  Damian Thorn?

Wow.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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27/04/2020 2:13 pm  

It is a bit of a coincidence isn't it. The other possibility I was thinking that it was someone doing it intentionally the same way some nutter goes on a shooting spree.


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27/04/2020 3:23 pm  
Posted by: @duck

It is a bit of a coincidence isn't it. The other possibility I was thinking that it was someone doing it intentionally the same way some nutter goes on a shooting spree.

Yes that's possible.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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27/04/2020 4:44 pm  

Me: "Tuberculosis is an epidemic (or potentially pandemic) disease, so AC using the words "and such diseases" right after mentioning the epidemic (or potentially pandemic) disease Tuberculosis, does cover other epedemic (or potentially pandemic) diseases like for example "Spanish Flu/Influenza"."

Shiva: "A very tentative and shaky position to take when considering we are specifically looking for the words "Spanish In(flu)enza,""

JJB: "Yep, looks like you got well there on that one!  (I suppose you could have just embolded flu rather than bracketed (it) there, just a nitpicking thought...)"

No, this is not a tentative and shaky position to take, especially with respect to AC seemingly never mentioning the Spanish Flu despite it killing millions during his lifetime:

 

"The flu that wasn’t Spanish [...]

In 1918, the death rate in Britain exceeded the birth rate for the first year since Government started maintaining records in 1837.  Yet this was not due to the First World War, but to so-called ‘Spanish Flu’.

At the time, influenza was not a notifiable disease. Incidences did not have to be reported, either internationally or locally in Britain. Germ theory was not universally accepted and the understanding of viruses was still in the future. Flu symptoms were easily mistakable for several other illnesses, which is one reason why the epidemic’s worldwide death rate is unknown even now. Estimates vary from 50 to 100 million people. [...]

Three waves

Over 1918 to 1919 the flu struck in 3 waves. The first started in March 1918, reaching Britain in May. At the time the First World War was still raging and the press in belligerent countries was highly censored. Any information likely to impact on morale or indicate a weakness to the enemy was strictly prohibited. The same did not apply in non-combatant countries.

Because Spain was neutral the Spanish press was not subject to the same level of censorship as the press in the belligerent countries. News of an epidemic appeared in the headlines of Madrid papers in May 1918. This was one reason why its point of origin was assumed to be Spain. The first reference to the ‘Spanish disease’ was in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) in August 1918. The fact that the Spanish King, Prime Minister and various members of the cabinet fell ill sealed the international notion that the disease had originated in Spain.  A hundred years later there are still several theories concerning the source of the disease, but no-one now considers it to be Spain.

The second, most deadly, wave of the disease struck Britain in October 1918 and continued through to 1919. It was probably brought over from France by servicemen, as port towns and transit points were particularly hard hit. At the time, health care in Britain was largely provided by local authorities, overseen by the Local Government Board (LGB). Their main concern was not health care provision but the operation of the Poor Law.

graph

Three pandemic waves: weekly combined influenza and pneumonia mortality, United Kingdom, 1918 to 1919 Reference: PD-USGOV-HHS-CDC.

Although the death rate in Britain over the course of the pandemic was one of the lowest internationally, the flu pandemic still killed 228,000 people. Surprisingly, the matter does not appear to have been discussed by the Cabinet, even after the Prime Minister, David Lloyd George, contracted it on 12 September. It was not even discussed in Parliament until late October 1918. [...]

Few realised the threat posed by influenza or that rather than just affecting the old and the very young, this disease would particularly affect 20 to 40 year olds.  The crowds celebrating the armistice exacerbated the spread of the disease by bringing large groups of people into close proximity.

Proposals for a Ministry of Health to prevent disease and coordinate health-care provision had been discussed by the Cabinet as early as summer 1917. Yet it would take until 1919 and a severe epidemic before this was established, and the nation’s health would come under closer central government scrutiny under the new Ministry." 

(Source: GOV.UK Blog[:] History of government [...] The flu that wasn’t Spanish Posted by:Tara Finn, Posted on:13 September 2018 - Categories:Foreign Office Historians' - - - https://history.blog.gov.uk/2018/09/13/the-flu-that-wasnt-spanish/ )


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27/04/2020 5:24 pm  

Correction (adding missing subhead title): 

"Management of the disease [...]

Few realised the threat posed by influenza or that rather than just affecting the old and the very young, this disease would particularly affect 20 to 40 year olds.  The crowds celebrating the armistice exacerbated the spread of the disease by bringing large groups of people into close proximity.

Proposals for a Ministry of Health to prevent disease and coordinate health-care provision had been discussed by the Cabinet as early as summer 1917. Yet it would take until 1919 and a severe epidemic before this was established, and the nation’s health would come under closer central government scrutiny under the new Ministry."


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27/04/2020 6:00 pm  
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

No, this is not a tentative and shaky position to take, especially with respect to AC seemingly never mentioning the Spanish Flu despite it killing millions during his lifetime:

This is true. Your position is actually very sound and probably one of those eternal principles I'm always talking about.

 


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27/04/2020 8:54 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

This is true. Your position is actually very sound and probably one of those eternal principles I'm always talking about.

No it is not. Unbredbadlyred never writes anything original. He cuts and pastes someone elses work, usually "backed up" by quoting verses from Liber Al vel Legis in an attempt to prove his point. Pathetic. I'm suprised you give him legitimacy by reading his crap and then complementing him on it

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27/04/2020 9:14 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

We are going through the only comparable modern pandemic now, and i think few of us will soon forget it

I'm sure that is correct. The only major outbreak of 'flu that I can think of that comes close was the Asian flu epidemic in 1957 (or was it '56?)

I dont remember it - being very young - but im told it put me in hospital for two weeks and nearly killed me. Like Crowley, I've had asthma all my life as a result, though I have an inhaler instead of the smack


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27/04/2020 11:20 pm  
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No it is not. Unbredbadlyred never writes anything original.

If you took my comment seriously, and to heart, you have been run over by the Juggernaut. I included enough internal data to reveal to anyone who ever takes me seriously that this was one of my sarcasms, intended to stop further conflict of opinion or supreme authority.

Dr Bred furnishes useful data and old clippings from time to time. He specializes in ElRon and the Forty Thieves, Twists and Turns in AC's Mind and Manners, and interesting information on Tuberculosis, which is not Spanish Flu, which AC may have referred to when he wrote in a Trump-like Tweet.

Posted by: @frater_anubis

He cuts and pastes someone elses work, usually "backed up" by quoting verses from Liber Al vel Legis in an attempt to prove his point.

This is a coherent reflection of what arises.

Posted by: @frater_anubis

I'm suprised you give him legitimacy by reading his crap and then complementing him on it

Sorry. We were locked face to face, each with his dagger pressed against the hara of the other. It was kill or be killed. Knowing the way of the Tao, I surrendered ... , asking to take the steel ... which never came.

I am ashamed to report that you have been caught in the steel jaws of a Shivaism, which is not planted by me, because that's just tricking around, but by one of those buddies of Aiwass.

Posted by: @frater_anubis

I dont remember it - being very young

I do. It was the first of many waves of flu, all labeled with Oriental names. Medically speaking, on a wide scale, this sort of thing is a "side-effect" of modern air travel.

(Yes, the Spanish variety traveled by ship, and was unstoppable).

 


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28/04/2020 2:31 am  

Back in 2015 the NIH under the direction of Dr. Tony Fauci gave a $3.7 million grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology."

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/dr-fauci-gave-3-7-million-wuhan-laboratory-something-going-rudy-giuliani-drops-bomb-niaid-director-dr-tony-fauci/

.

This post previously posted erroneously under eLGMOR. RTC is neither Dr Fausti nor the owner of the Wuhan Virus Factory, so go easy on him. He is merely the magician who let the demon loose. Says so in his posts.


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28/04/2020 3:15 am  

"The Swine Flu Affair and Its Repercussions [...]
a storm of litigation against the manufacturers [...] ultimately resulted in the courts' awarding huge damage settlements to plaintiffs. Ultimately, owing to the litigation, the major US-based developers of vaccines were forced to relocate to Canada and to Europe. This situation persists in the twentyfi rst century, greatly complicating domestic US ability to respond to a future infl uenza pandemic. As a result, the US is now almost completely dependent on vaccines produced abroad, and on the honoring of contractual obligations in the face of a global health emergency.

The Future [...]
The virologists Jeffrey Taubenberger and David Morens argue that, despite our armamentarium of vaccines and antivirals, an emergent influenza pathogen that exhibited lethality of the same magnitude as the 1918 virus would kill more [than] 100 million people today. [...] The [1918] pandemic represented a direct threat to the material interests of all countries, political suppression of data often prevented other states from knowing the conditions of affected states, rational decision-making was largely absent, and international cooperation on the issue was non-existent, despite the complex biological interdependence of affected polities."

Source: Page 82 and 87, in Contagion and Chaos Disease, Ecology, and National Security in the Era of Globalization, by Andrew T. Price-Smith, The MIT Press Cambridge, Massachusetts London, England, © 2009 Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Also, the current Coronavirus pandemic isn't 'Just Like the flu, as a flu pandemic akin to the one in 1918, would be a faster and more effective "killer" than the current Coronavirus pandemic:

"How are COVID-19 and influenza viruses different?
The speed of transmission is an important point of difference between the two viruses. Influenza has a shorter median incubation period (the time from infection to appearance of symptoms) and a shorter serial interval (the time between successive cases) than COVID-19 virus. The serial interval for COVID-19 virus is estimated to be 5-6 days, while for influenza virus, the serial interval is 3 days. This means that influenza can spread faster than COVID-19.

Further, transmission in the first 3-5 days of illness, or potentially pre-symptomatic transmission –transmission of the virus before the appearance of symptoms – is a major driver of transmission for influenza. In contrast, while we are learning that there are people who can shed COVID-19 virus 24-48 hours prior to symptom onset, at present, this does not appear to be a major driver of transmission."
(Source: World Health Organization [...] Home/Newsroom/Q&A Detail/Q&A: Similarities and differences – COVID-19 and influenza - - - https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-similarities-and-differences-covid-19-and-influenza )


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28/04/2020 6:11 am  
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

there are people who can shed COVID-19 virus 24-48 hours prior to symptom onset, at present, this does not appear to be a major driver of transmission.

Okay, that was interesting data. Now ...

The quest(ion) is ...

How do we get these turkeys to start producing vaccines for the monsters they breed, or get them to burn their factories down to dust and start over with a fresh approach.

The word's already out that India with manufacture the vaccine ... they've been the world's vaccine source for three decades.

 


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28/04/2020 4:01 pm  

@shiva

 

Speaking of Dr Grouchy

 

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1263311/pg1

He has a long history of taking unneeded funds and giving it away to both enrich himself and his interests

 

WSJ said 15 years ago '

Agency Chief Spurs Bioterror Research -- And Controversy

As Dr. Fauci Pours NIH Funds Into Makers of Vaccines, Some Say He Oversteps

 
 
Too many foreign (Chinese) ties all deep with bad money and corruption.
 

Top U.S. scientist and research pioneer Dr. Judy Mikovits said she cooperated with the FBI during an investigation of Dr. Anthony Fauci and the National Institute of Health, alleging Fauci was a workplace tyrant who was under investigation for swiping scientific research, covering up tainted vaccines, doling out lucrative federal grants to feckless cronies and much more.

https://truepundit.com/fbi-investigation-targeted-dr-fauci-but-comey-pulled-the-plug/

"

 

I guess the slime always rises to the top.  Meanwhile us hermits gonna keep on hermitting. 

This whole covid-19 thing stinks.  Like bad Chinese food, dirty money, and New York rats. 


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28/04/2020 7:05 pm  
Posted by: @christibrany

Too many foreign (Chinese) ties all deep with bad money and corruption.

Emblem: "The Black Dragon."

Posted by: @christibrany

This whole covid-19 thing stinks.  Like bad Chinese food, dirty money, and New York rats.

Emblem: "The Deep State."

There is no need to drag Ignant into this. I will vouch for his proper distancing from The Deep State, although he does admit to taking some of their handouts through seemingly legal coverups.


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28/04/2020 7:13 pm  

LOL I wasn't thinking of your friend and mine , but rather those humans closer to the animal kingdom in their cannibalism on the way to the 'cheese.'

 

The City Rat and the Country Rat, By Darla Chickens. . . 

 


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28/04/2020 7:55 pm  

I am glad to hear that COVID-19 is not my fault.

I would advise all concerned to stop reading far-right wing-nut sites for epidemiology information, and especially ones that listen to insane anti-vaxxer lunatics like Judy Mikovits:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Mikovits

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/scientist-vaccine-jailed/

especially when her lunacy is smearing Anthony Fauci, one of the most distinguished epidemiologists on the planet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci

As far as "enriching" oneself from Federal grant $: YOU CANNOT GET MORE THAN YOUR INSTITUTIONAL SALARY FROM FEDERAL GRANTS- THERE IS NO "ENRICHMENT" POSSIBLE!!

Dr Fauci is a Federal employee, his salary is a matter of public record, a richly-deserved $384,625 (not exactly a high salary for a very senior MD):

https://www.federalpay.org/employees/national-institutes-of-health/fauci-anthony-s


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28/04/2020 8:07 pm  

Oh dear we hit a nerve. 

 

Like one of my best friends in life for the past 20 years, we can disagree but still get along perfectly.  He reminds me of you in the debate arena.  He gets very emotional. And we will never agree. lol

 

This really wasn't meant to be a 'calling of the far-left wing-nuts' but a sharing of different opinions.  Some my own, most not.

 

Iggers, ( I call my friend Eggers, so you are now Iggers) perhaps I shall refute your points at a later date.  My lunch hour is almost up.   How is your garden btw?  We are still stuck to growing in pots but the wife has some awesomely huge Portuguese cabbages coming up. 

--

This is actually very good too; RE virus economy:

 

'Now, if you read between the lines in this propaganda, what I see is not the media reporting on what is happening now, but what they expect to happen soon. In my area of Montana there is no community spread of the virus, and this is common to many parts of rural America. However, what if rural towns reopen while large metropolitan areas remain closed for business? Unless travel restrictions are instituted, expect a FLOOD of city dwellers to pour into rural areas looking for a taste of freedom and some open bars and restaurants.

If your small town is within 1-2 hours drive of a large city, get ready for a parade of yuppies on mainstreet looking for a vacation from lockdown.

This in itself is not a big deal. If people want to drive from the city to spend money in small town America then that's a benefit to struggling rural communities (and a bizarre 180 degree shift from the norm). But here is what I think will happen next'

 

http://www.alt-market.com/index.php/articles/4200-pandemic-and-economic-collapse-the-next-60-days

 

 

 

 


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28/04/2020 8:26 pm  

Pertinent points before I go off to my 'office ' 

 

'What good is your government check if 90% of the stores are shut down, 50% of the items you want to buy are considered “non-essential”and restricted, and the items you are allowed to buy are skyrocketing in price? The common American is being set up for a shock they are not prepared for when they realize that government checks (Universal Basic Income) are barely going to keep them alive, let alone grant them months of paid leisure. I think the awareness of this will hit the general public in around 60 days.'

 

'Trump's persona is meant to be ambiguous and chameleon-like, so that he can be presented as all things to all people. For the political left he's a boogeyman, a bumbling conservative villain and statist that is destroying the country; he acts as a catalyst to drive them even more insane than they already are. For some on the political right, Trump is a savior, or a martyr. They place him on a pedestal so high that he can do no wrong and some even believe he is actually fighting a “secret war” with the elites using subversive tactics despite the fact that half of his cabinet is made up of banking and Council on Foreign Relations alumni.'

 

what a world 

 


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28/04/2020 10:16 pm  

Talk about getting totally 'crazy'... before I sign off for the day.

The world's economies were mostly all amazing minus China because they were getting come-uppance via the trade world.  Long needed.

 

Then this 'stuff' broke out.

 

What if the ever 'compassionate 'CCP (CCCP) broke this out in their own country on purpose for martyr/reflex/suicide bomber status to bring EVERYONE down with them, like the spoiled idiot in the room? ...  Since they were going down anyway. . . ?


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28/04/2020 10:54 pm  

Vice President Pence celebrates the USA's millionth case of COVID-19 (one third of all cases worldwide are in the USA) by refusing to wear a mask during a visit to the Mayo Clinic, despite being told that all visitors, staff, and patients must wear masks:

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China's economy was not in any trouble at all prior to COVID-19- if your reference, chris, to "trade world" is a reference to the very high tariffs Trump made American consumers pay on some Chinese items, that may have led to some decline in US sales as Chinese goods become more expensive, but the rest of the world hasn't imposed these foolish tariffs, and have been buying cheap Chinese goods at a normal pace. Exporters don't pay tariffs, consumers in importing countries pay them.

China has had far fewer cases, and deaths, than the US, due to having a functional national government not led by an idiot, and spending enough money on public health.  This is also true of almost every other country on earth, except Sweden and the UK.

 

 


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28/04/2020 10:58 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

I am glad to hear that COVID-19 is not my fault.

I would advise all concerned to stop reading far-right wing-nut sites for epidemiology information, and especially ones that listen to insane anti-vaxxer lunatics like Judy Mikovits:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Mikovits

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/scientist-vaccine-jailed/

especially when her lunacy is smearing Anthony Fauci, one of the most distinguished epidemiologists on the planet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci

 

I concur -- The Gateway Pundit is trash. Following the trackback to the posted article the original source is the tabloid newspaper The Daily Mail, and a careful perusal of the article will show how the screed in the Pundit is wildly inaccurate at best.

 


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29/04/2020 1:53 am  

A really really good interview with an infectious disease epi person (a professor at University of Washington, the top epi grad school in the USA/arguably best in the world), who has a forthcoming book called Bullshit about misuse of statistics, discussing how real-time COVID-19 science is getting hijacked by bullshit artists with political agendas:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/there-is-no-absolute-truth-an-infectious-disease-expert-on-covid-19-misinformation-and-bullshit


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29/04/2020 2:07 am  

Here is a link to Dr. Judy Mikovits latest book, Plague of Corruption: Restoring Faith in the Promise of Science endorsed by Dr. Luc Montaigner who won a Nobel Prize for his work isolating HIV, and who has recently come out and said that the Covid-19 was made in a lab. The book also has a forward by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Of course the ignorant will be lining up to get their shots, smug in knowing the Dr. Fauci could never be a bad guy, and why the mark of the beast, 666, that is just some right wing fantasy of people who do not trust the government and corporations and did not read Aleister Crowley's Confessions at age 12....

So i wonder when Liber L. vel Legis might be invoked, in court, as legal document to back up the right to defend one's self against being shot against one's will....ever wonder why they are called shots!...and who cares if they might have been created using aborted fetal tissue...

btw those 'Cakes of Light' are the intellectual property of which multinational corporation...who owns your body and your rights....unless one fights!....but i see some six six six es have rolled over, preferring to push the narrative of those who hijacked Thelema for the deep state!

Fuck off

 


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29/04/2020 2:33 am  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Of course the ignorant will be lining up to get their shots, smug in knowing the Dr. Fauci could never be a bad guy

ignant, I am curious, are you still anxiously wishing for @hadgigegenraum to share his drugs with you?!

@hadgigegenraum : SHARE YOUR DRUGS NOW! I am getting tired of asking. Pretty please?

N Joy


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29/04/2020 2:43 am  

An anti-vaxxer book, by an anti-vaxxer nut, endorsed by, surprise surprise, two anti-vaxxers, one once a distinguished scientist, now a nut, the other a relative of a famous person. There isn't any link in your post that i can see, BTW.

My aunt has had her leg in a brace and been on crutches for more than 70 years from having polio as a child. Kids don't get polio any more because of vaccines.

Anti-vaxxers are lunatics who advocate child maiming/murder based on an inability to understand basic middle-school science.

I don't think that there are too many folks who think that vaccines that prevent death from virulent, highly infectious diseases are a bad idea right now.

Who are you addressing with your "Fuck off"?

---------------

JB: It is clear that our Comrade From Vermont is on very very strong drugs; i like strong drugs, and enjoy arguing, so, yes, absolutely. Come on down!


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29/04/2020 2:59 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

JB: It is clear that our Comrade From Vermont is on very very strong drugs; i like strong drugs, and enjoy arguing, so, yes, absolutely. Come on down!

Excellent!  Strong - and strange!  And I like wine, too.  (So Yes, absolutely Come on down bro', and bring it /them on!)

N Joy


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29/04/2020 3:11 am  

More of an ale man myself, as has been discussed in this very thread, so at least foamy.

Strange drugs, and some ordinary ones.

Many many years ago, when i was a bicycle messenger, and "employee drug testing" was a new thing, one day, our dispatchers told us all "Report to Dispatch for drug testing ASAP!"

We were, to a man and woman, enormous pot-heads, with many having additional more exotic daily regimes, involving cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, 5Meo-DMT, and/or LSD, etc. So we were all shitting bricks as we rolled in.

"So what's up with this drug testing?"

"It's a mandatory new policy- you bring in your drugs, and we test 'em!"


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29/04/2020 3:49 am  

@ignant666 To you, what are you an ignorant drug addict?


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29/04/2020 3:58 am  

No, @hadgigegenraum, aka Comrade Pilgrim Counter-Space, i am a person who likes to presume the best of others, so i wanted to be sure of what you were saying, and that you were being un-mutual, and violating the site rules, and so on, before i told you to

Go [possibly unpleasant activity involving a rusty garden implement], as i am sure you are fond of doing when you are not [unnatural activity] a woodchuck.


hadgigegenraum
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29/04/2020 4:05 am  

@jamiejbarter

you want drugs, well then they will be forced on you and you will have no choice.. but don't worry there is only a small percentage chance that you will lose your ability to make pithy smarmy comments after all but then again that is a risk you have no choice in potentially averting...

Remember

 ...Normans Enjoy Genocide...

All brewed up at Porton Downs and subsidiaries...


hadgigegenraum
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29/04/2020 4:16 am  

@ignant666

now shall the drugs be forced on you!

i rest my case and note your being against the right of people to make their own decisions as regards their persons  including their bodies, how Thelemic of you, which now i note you are wishing me physical harm, when i merely called you a name that comes to mind when i read the moniker and consider the reasoning you employ to push your agenda...or rather Bill Gates's...

Thanks Bill

 

 


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29/04/2020 4:18 am  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

All brewed up at Porton Downs and subsidiaries...

Aw, shucks, we'd never have guessed such a thing.

Where is this Porton Downside?

 


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