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ignant666
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29/04/2020 4:32 am  

@hadgigegenraum - Um, no, Comrade, you told me to "Fuck off". Them's fightin' words, son. When you utter them, you don't get to whine at the response.

My "agenda" is also known as "science".

If you are anxious to die of a very nasty infectious disease, you may well soon have your chance. People who are not crazy will be very willing to get a COVID-19 vaccination when it becomes available in a year or two.


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29/04/2020 4:56 am  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Here is a link to Dr. Judy Mikovits latest book, Plague of Corruption: Restoring Faith in the Promise of Science endorsed by Dr. Luc Montaigner who won a Nobel Prize for his work isolating HIV, and who has recently come out and said that the Covid-19 was made in a lab. The book also has a forward by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Of course the ignorant will be lining up to get their shots, smug in knowing the Dr. Fauci could never be a bad guy, and why the mark of the beast, 666, that is just some right wing fantasy of people who do not trust the government and corporations and did not read Aleister Crowley's Confessions at age 12....

So i wonder when Liber L. vel Legis might be invoked, in court, as legal document to back up the right to defend one's self against being shot against one's will....ever wonder why they are called shots!...and who cares if they might have been created using aborted fetal tissue...

btw those 'Cakes of Light' are the intellectual property of which multinational corporation...who owns your body and your rights....unless one fights!....but i see some six six six es have rolled over, preferring to push the narrative of those who hijacked Thelema for the deep state!

Fuck off

 

What do you think "the mark of the beast, 666" means?

 

Would you care to present credible evidence that "Covid-19 was made in a lab"? Or explain why these articles:

https://www.newscientist.com/term/coronavirus-come-lab/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/14/covid-19-origin-lab-general-mark-milley

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/psych-unseen/202004/covid-19-conspiracy-theories-was-sars-cov-2-made-in-lab

aren't credible? If you're going to present "conspiracy theory" material, then the onus is on you to back up your claims.

 

What's your objection to stem cell research and its use?

 

 


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29/04/2020 4:59 am  
Posted by: @shiva

NY Gov A.C. says about lockdown ... ""There's a sanity equation here," he says, pointing to reports that domestic violence, drug and alcohol abuse, and mental health problems have already increased."

Drug abuse and domestic violence has been a concern for the government and frontline services in Canada.

Reports have gone down and there's a lot of speculation going around as to why. Such as increased vulnerability to the virus also isolation making it difficult for those in abusive environments to access services safely. There's an expected increase of services being accessed once restrictions start being lifted.

Frontline services and the government is recommending that anyone in an domestic abuse situation to call. Immediate personal safety must come first.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/domestic-violence-rates-rising-due-to-covid19-1.5545851


hadgigegenraum
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29/04/2020 5:17 am  

@ignant666

Try to shoot me with your pseudo science bullshit forced agenda then you can get a shot back...now go shoot up your drugs and get back to reminiscing about nyc...


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29/04/2020 5:41 am  

@soz

Boy what a laugh....The New Scientist, The Guardian and Psychology Today...and who owns these rags, eh...i am sure that their info is not being banned and de platformed such as the Indian study that said that HIV had been patched into the Corona Virus...We now have the person who discovered HIV saying that it is a bioweapon...

As to your question, think about turning people into animals and then like animals, tattooing them for identification purposes for total control through technology run by big brother and sister...

How odd the amount of conventional thinking  of people willing to give up rights out of fear of being called a 'conspiracist' on an internet site devoted to the life and work of Aleister Crowley....sad, very sad....or rather pathetic.

 

 


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29/04/2020 5:45 am  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

@soz

[T]he Indian study that said that HIV had been patched into the Corona Virus...We now have the person who discovered HIV saying that it is a bioweapon...

 

Got a link? If you've got verifiable info outside of mainstream publications I'll wager that I'm not the only person interested in seeing it.


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29/04/2020 5:48 am  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

As to your question, think about turning people into animals and then like animals, tattooing them for identification purposes for total control through technology run by big brother and sister...

 

The questions I asked about stem cell research? Or the one about what you think "the mark of the beast, 666" means?

It sounds dystopian, but, again, if you have any verifiable info to support that, I'm all ears.


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29/04/2020 5:51 am  

The Canadian federal government held their first online session of the HoC today. It's good to see they're adapting to the crisis to keep the government processes running while minimizing risks. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-coronavirus-pandemic-house-of-commons-zoom-1.5548447

Here was history being made — the moment when the Parliament of Canada truly and fully entered the virtual era. With those immortal words committed to the official and permanent record the House proceeded with its first mass gathering via video conference.

...

However flawed, it was a serviceable meeting of nearly 300 MPs and a testament to the institution's utility. In various ways, the virtual meeting on Tuesday afternoon may have even been an improvement on the real thing.

Even before this virtual sitting improvement in communication and function has been a noted observation.

https://www.hilltimes.com/2020/04/27/government-collaboration-with-mps-off-the-charts-amid-covid-19-says-green-partys-may/245460

All MPs and Senators are receiving a daily technical briefing from top government officials on the COVID-19 global pandemic seven days a week, and Green Party Parliamentary Leader Elizabeth May says the level of the government’s cooperation with Parliamentarians has been “unprecedented.”

Ms. May (Saanich-Gulf Islands, B.C.) said that cooperation makes her feel she can influence and improve government policies as an MP even though she is part of an opposition party.

She said in one call she flagged a problem with the government’s $73-billion wage subsidy spending program that left some Canadians unable to access the benefits. She said the Finance Department official on the call took note of the issue, and when the government introduced its next piece of relief legislation, the issue she had identified had been addressed.

...

“So the flow of information and the degree of collaboration is frankly off the charts,” she said.

“I’ve had direct personal contact with most staffers of any minister I’ve needed information from, or that I’ve wanted to share information. I get direct personal contact [to cabinet ministers] at a level that’s far more than the normal when Parliament is in session.”

In her House speech on April 11, Ms. May applauded the government for extending cooperation to the opposition parties.


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29/04/2020 6:05 am  

@soz

you want something about 'Stem Cell Research'.....abortions for corporate profit and genetic patents...drink  piss if you want to utilize stem cells, or consider Crowley's methods...

So just go blame the Bats!

https://rense.com/general96/enigma-of-cov-origin-part-19.php

 

 


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29/04/2020 6:21 am  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

@soz

you want something about 'Stem Cell Research'.....abortions for corporate profit and genetic patents...drink  piss if you want to utilize stem cells, or consider Crowley's methods...

So just go blame the Bats!

https://rense.com/general96/enigma-of-cov-origin-part-19.php

 

 

I'm confused. Drink piss if I want to utilize stem cells? Is that what I said?

What do Crowley's methods have to do with any of this?

How is that article on rense.com more credible than this one:

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-04/21/c_138995413.htm

 

Spotlight: COVID-19 virus not created in lab, say French experts

PARIS, April 20 (Xinhua) -- French experts have refuted the claim by their colleague and Nobel Prize-winning scientist Luc Montagnier that the novel coronavirus causing the COVID-19 pandemic has been engineered and contains some genes of HIV-1.

Montagnier last week told the French CNews channel: "There was manipulation around this virus ... the coronavirus of the bat, someone added sequences, in particular of HIV, the virus of AIDS ... It is not natural. It's the work of professionals, of molecular biologists ... A very meticulous work."

The French virologist won the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 2008 for his discovery of the human immunodeficiency viruses (HIV).

The hypothesis that a virus was created in a laboratory in Wuhan sounded "a conspiracy vision that does not relate to the real science," said Jean-Francois Delfraissy, an immunologist and head of the scientific council that advises the French government on the COVID-19 pandemic, when interviewed by French television BFM TV.

"Everyone in the scientific community agrees that COVID-19 is a coronavirus. From time to time there are coronaviruses different from the others, as are SARS and MERS with a pathogenicity which has appeared," he added.

Both Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) are caused by coronaviruses, and the COVID-19 virus is also known as SARS-CoV-2.

"The world of viruses is a world in perpetual evolution," said Delfraissy, who is also president of France's National Consultative Ethics Committee for health and life sciences. "I rather think that COVID-19 is a coronavirus which had an animal reservoir and passed into humans for reasons that are not well known yet."

For Olivier Schwartz, head of the virus and immunity department of France's Pasteur Institute, studies on the virus's genes show clearly that it was not a virus made by human beings in the laboratory.

"Professor Montagnier spreads whimsical theories," he told the French weekly L'Obs, previously known as Le Nouvel Observateur.

"Sars-CoV-2, the virus that causes the COVID-19 disease, was not created in the laboratory. We see this by studying the genetic heritage of the virus, which has been sequenced by Chinese teams and then verified in many other laboratories, including the Pasteur Institute, which was the first in Europe to do so," said Schwartz.

"This virus is clearly part of the coronavirus family tree. It is close to Sars-CoV-1, with which it has 80 percent homology," he explained.

"Above all, the same virus is found in different animals, in particular the pangolin and the bat. And there, the percentage of similarities is greater than 95 percent. So, by drawing up the family tree of this virus, we know that it is derived from viruses that circulate in nature," he said.

What Montagnier spreads is "fake news" that started in March with a manuscript posted by an Indian team on a website where scientists share ongoing analyses without waiting for expert verification, added Schwartz.

"The Indian team ended up withdrawing their manuscript. My personal opinion is that these Indian researchers were in good faith at the outset in their desire to analyze the genome of the virus, and they realized their error later. But Professor Montagnier has taken up a whimsical theory," he said. Enditem

 
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29/04/2020 6:38 am  

For reference, here are some screenshots of the front page of Rense.com:


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29/04/2020 7:26 am  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

tattooing them for identification purposes for total control through technology run by big brother and sister...

Well, yeah. But I already covered that in The Terrestrial Avatar, but I used microchips. I also introduced the illegal industry of hacking microchips ... only rich people can afford it.

Posted by: @soz

"The world of viruses is a world in perpetual evolution," said Delfraissy

True. They are running on a faster timeline, or they use faster clocks, and they can perform an unrecognizable (by the immune system) mutation in a year ... sometimes six months.

 


hadgigegenraum
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29/04/2020 2:21 pm  

@soz

No you did not say drink piss to utilize stem cells, I put that out as practice that i believe does utilize stem cells to some extent...study of stem cells is interesting, but the mass utilization of aborted fetus's is actually quite disturbing, especially as such stolen stratum is used as genetic substrates in new drugs, etc, and hence the drive for abortions as the raw materials for commercial use. The point in bringing that up, and mentioning Crowley's methods, is to get people to think, thinking that might have some merit on a forum devoted to Crowley. Of course AC would be considered a quack concerning his naturopathic approaches in the 1930's...Also Crowley was very much against abortion.

Xinhua is a news organ of China and basically the credibility of that article is that it is an attempt to prevent thermonuclear war. If you are not aware, part of the narrative is that the Chinese are responsible for this through their laboratory near Wuhan, so of course the Chinese are going to try to quell bio-engineering of SARS-Cov2. Of course that lab did have interactions with "deep state" players...

Who cares what Rense's page looks like...it happens to be the only place you can read Shimatsu's articles, 20 parts on Coronavirus...Rense is very critical of Trump.

 

 

 

 


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29/04/2020 2:25 pm  

'Racist and inflammatory': Canadians upset by Epoch Times claim China behind virus, made it as a bioweapon

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/epoch-times-coronavirus-bioweapon-1.5548217

The Epoch Times, a free newspaper typically found in street boxes, is coming under fire for advancing a conspiracy theory about the origin of the coronavirus — and putting it straight into people's mailboxes unsolicited.

Some Canadians who received it by mail and a postal carrier who says he is forced to deliver it are angry over a special eight-page edition of the paper exploring the idea that the virus that causes COVID-19 was created as a biological weapon and arguing it should be called "the CCP virus," a reference to the Chinese Communist Party.

People in Oakville, Etobicoke, Markham, and Toronto, Ont. all reported getting copies of a special edition of The Epoch Times, as did residents in North Vancouver and Kelowna, B.C., and Winnipeg. It's not clear that all those papers were delivered by Canada Post.

Lisa Armstrong in Kelowna found a copy in her rural mailbox.

"That's when I got annoyed or suspicious. It's like, why is this in my mailbox? You expect to see those kind of things online on social media," she said.

"It did seem to allude to conspiracy theories like, you know, maybe it was manufactured, this virus was manufactured in the lab. Well, no. We know scientifically that's just not true."

Scientists have repeatedly said the evidence points to the coronavirus having a natural origin.

Jason Kindrachuk, a Canada research chair in emerging viruses at the University of Manitoba, says that through studying the genome of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, scientists can see it is similar to other bat coronaviruses and that it likely evolved naturally.

The Epoch Times, headquartered in New York, is part of a group of organizations under the Epoch Media Group umbrella, which also includes the Shen Yun dance troupe and the New Tang Dynasty TV channel. It says it operates in 23 languages in 35 countries. 

A sociology professor says the Epoch Media Group is affiliated with the Falun Gong movement...


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29/04/2020 4:49 pm  

Yoichi Shimatsu refers to Epoch Times as an operation, an operation which has thermonuclear war as a potential goal. Blame the Chinese for your Bioweapon and then attack them.

Here is part 8 of Shiatsu's now 20 part series on the Corona Virus operation, which I add here because there is a small cameo by Aleister Crowley, who is mentioned...

https://rense.com/general96/covert-19-bats-in-the-belfry.php


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29/04/2020 7:34 pm  

'A US government analysis leaked to the Washington Times concludes that the Wuhan Institute of Virology or the Chinese CDC is the "most likely" source of the COVID-19 pandemic which has killed over 200,000 people worldwide in roughly four months.'

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/wuhan-laboratory-most-likely-coronavirus-source-us/

 

 

I hate when it's always 'un-named sources' or 'leaked analysis' or 'close sources'  - whether it's CNN , huff post, or washington times, or fox, that usually means 'we made it up.' 


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29/04/2020 10:59 pm  

For those interested in supplementing their consumption of far-right wing-nut propaganda on COVID-19 with actual peer-reviewed science on the origins of the virus {SPOILER ALERT: Not a lab; evolution.}:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/03/26/genomic-research-points-to-natural-origin-of-covid-19/comment-page-1/

No unnamed sources; they show their work.

"Science- it works, bitches!": https://youtu.be/0OtFSDKrq88?t=65


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30/04/2020 12:49 am  

There was some American Doctor on BBC4 the other morning defending Trump and his disinfectant ramblings.  She said there is actual research being done on the virus-killing qualities of disinfectant fumes and that's what he meant.  That sounds like bullshit as well.    

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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30/04/2020 1:49 am  

Ignant recommends ... "Our comparison of alpha- and betacoronaviruses identifies two notable genomic features of SARS-CoV-2: (i) on the basis of structural studieshttps://doi.org/10.1128/JVI.00127-20

(2020)." href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9#ref-CR7" data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref">7,https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.02.19.956581

(2020)." href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9#ref-CR8" data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref">8,https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abb2507

(2020)." href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9#ref-CR9" data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref" aria-label="Reference 9">9 and biochemical experimentshttps://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-020-2012-7

(2020)." href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9#ref-CR1" data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref" aria-label="Reference 1">1,https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abb2507

(2020)." href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9#ref-CR9" data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref" aria-label="Reference 9">9,https://doi.org/10.1038/s41564-020-0688-y

(2020)." href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9#ref-CR10" data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref" aria-label="Reference 10">10, SARS-CoV-2 appears to be optimized for binding to the human receptor ACE2; and (ii) the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 has a functional polybasic (furin) cleavage site at the S1–S2 boundary through the insertion of 12 nucleotideshttps://doi.org/10.1101/2020.02.19.956581

(2020)." href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9#ref-CR8" data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref" aria-label="Reference 8">8, which additionally led to the predicted acquisition of three O-linked glycans around the site."

As a physician, I have the ability to solve this code/puzzle/cipher/equation, But first let me tell you how much I frictioned around with both PHYSICS and INORGANIC CHEMISTRY. No, it's too depressing. Well, I did fine in ORGANIC CHEM, and that's what this doo-dad is, inflated and compounded by micro-scopes, gene structure, and courses they didn't teach when I schooled.

The bottom line is ...

"Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus."

Okay. I do not require the gene to be man-shaped and polished. The next effort in our historical tracings involves: Did it escape (or get liberated) from a Lab, or did it arise of its own accord from bats or other pets?

Posted by: @dom

There was some American Doctor on BBC4 the other morning defending Trump and his disinfectant ramblings.  She said there is actual research being done on the virus-killing qualities of disinfectant fumes and that's what he meant.  That sounds like bullshit as well.

Shortly after the Trumpet blew without thinking, within 36 hours, reporters were fact-checking Disinfectants and UV Light researcheeries. They found that both items were actually under research, pretty much in ways that the Trumpet blew, but his (musical) notes were garbled.

If he had said, "I hear that (such and such) is being investigated," rather than, "Can't you just (so and so), it might have come out in a different context.

I would guess that he read (or was told) something along these lines, but had little idea what he was rumbling about.

 


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30/04/2020 9:58 am  
Posted by: @shiva

"Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus."

This sounds like scientific gobbledegook to me, designed to obfuscate and quite possibly funded by the Chinese Communist Party.

It seems obvious that if you want to make a biological warfare weapon, the military would want it to have certain characheristics.

1) You would want it to be unbelievably contagious - Check+

2) You would want it to kill male soldiers - Check+ (in Italy and the UK its preferentially killing up to 75% of men)

3) You would want people who get infected to spread it for 5-7 days before showing symptoms (superspreaders) - Check+

4) You would want those who recover to be sick afterwards for a long time - Check+

Add that to the CCP denial and obfuscation and its realy suspicious

 


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30/04/2020 4:28 pm  

You left off some salient characteristics of this ChiCom "bio-weapon":

5) So highly contagious that only an ongoing draconian public health clampdown keeps deaths in your own country down, which could change any minute;

6) Devastates the worldwide export markets that your economy is dependent on.

Note that your #2 is substantively incorrect- COVID-19 does kill more males than females, but kills very few of military age. So it is notably ineffective at killing soldiers or potential soldiers. Also note that all modern militaries include lots of women.

Also, wouldn't you release your bio-weapon in the target country, rather than within your own country? Or do the ChiComs have the capability to develop a "bio-weapon" virus, but not the ability to maintain the basic lab safety protocols that let grad students in every country, and in every US state, all over the world, work safely with infectious disease viruses and bacteria?

Although, of course, they do have the ability to maintain these exact same protocols at the pharmaceutical manufacturing facilities that the whole world is depending on for drugs to alleviate and treat COVID-19, and manufacture those dreaded vaccines once one is available to sensible folks, since drug manufacturing has been outsourced by late capitalism to the ChiComs.

Evolution does some scary shit, and it is easy to seek refuge in conspiracy theories- they give us a rational explanation of scary things. The fact is, we just don't know much yet. But...

Follow the science, which is exploding. COVID-19 is the focus of all science going on right now, worldwide. Literally everything else is on hold.

And like Richard Dawkins said in my last post "Science works, bitches!" Because if it works, it is science, and if it don't, it ain't.

 


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30/04/2020 5:46 pm  

Some actual ChiCom propaganda about COVID-19, and the ongoing failed US response, that is sadly entirely factually correct:

https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/1255734356728922113


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30/04/2020 6:13 pm  

Holy shit: "The city that never sleeps" ends 24 hour subway service for the first time. Trains will not run from 1am to 5am; stations will be closed.

The system has been shut down partially before, for hurricanes, blizzards, and 9/11, but never totally. Trains will be disinfected overnight, and of course this is in part about moving homeless folks out of living on trains and in stations by closing them. Bus service will remain 24 hours.

https://gothamist.com/news/mta-will-end-overnight-subway-service-duration-pandemic


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30/04/2020 6:23 pm  

Much of what you say is true. Here in the UK, we closed our borders too late, also enforced social distancing and the lockdown far too late. Our gov is lying about the very sad fatality rate and keeps moving the goalposts. Some of our media are saying the true death rate is about 42,000, which is truly shocking.

So far, the virus has managed to "take out" (to quote the military parlance) four US Navy Carrier Groups - without firing a shot. The only carriers now operating in the Western Pacific are Chinese. One carrier group was withdrawn from the Gulf only last week. The US Airforce has had to withdraw the B52 nuclear bombers from Guam as the crews were sick. And this isnt a biological weapon? Hmmm....

Its also ominous that the American fatality rate has exceeded 60,000 souls - in only three months. This is more casualties than the whole of the 'Nam war....

Interestingly, Bloomberg has reported Q1 figures for the Beijing based China Mobile company. Apparently they have lost 6.112 million cellular phone accounts. Doubtless, they all found another provider - except there isnt one.

The jury is probably still out on the bioweapon theory. But it's possible they were bioengineering it in the Wuhan Institute of Virology - co-incidentally located a couple of blocks from the wildlife market. Maybe some lab worker caught it and feeling bad, popped out to the market for some bat soup and infected the world.


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30/04/2020 6:45 pm  

@ignant666

The 'city' that has always been asleep besides being  the narcissist capital of the world...i suppose that you believe the official story of 9/11 as well...since you seem to believe the story that 'bats' 900 miles from Wuhan and not sold at the 'wet markets' were the cause of the breakout, then my guess that you believe in what Popular Mechanics etc say about the collapse of the towers...Here is some drugs for your pancakes...

Yes Mr. Crowley was quite 'Neitzchian' and 'Darwinian' in his comments, where The Book of the Law then becomes an excuse to throw ethics out the window and call that science like Richard Dawkins who you have invoked....

yes 'Ethics is a Bitch' is more to the point for smug British fasicst like Dawkins and the science of genocide.

https://laroucheirishbrigade.com/2014/08/29/article-richard-dawkins-on-down-syndrome-secular-humanism-as-stardust-fascism/

 

 


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30/04/2020 6:51 pm  

The problem in the UK is that Boris initially decided to follow the laissez faire "herd immunity" strategy that Sweden is still pursuing. The Swedes may yet be proven right, but so far are doing much worse than other Scandinavian countries.

Then the UK abruptly shifted to the "flatten the curve" distancing and lockdown measures most of the rest of the world is doing. Right before they announced Boris had tested positive. No atheists in foxholes, as they say, and nothing makes a libertarian free-market public-health "skeptic" turn fanatical public-health/quarantine fan like a dry cough, and numb toes.

The problem in the US is that we are led by an over-confident moron/con-man who is surrounded by sycophants and yes-men and his imbecile relatives, with a Federal government with most senior level positions unfilled, and a national public-health bureaucracy that has been de-funded and hollowed out by this administration, and is led by born-again Xians. Fauci is one of the few exceptions, since the Trumpistas know that  if they fire/demote him, Wall Street will panic, orders of magnitude more than it has so far.

Effectively, there is no US national response to COVID-19, and states are now forming regional mini-USAs to do the job the national government under Trump is unable to do, and also is totally unwilling to do. As we continue our ongoing experiment with the Dunning-Kruger effect as a means of national governance.

US deaths from COVID-19 are now by far the highest in the world, and the pandemic will continue to kill far more Americans than persons in any other industrialized country until a year or so after Trump is no longer President.

This is the greatest failure of national public health in any country since national public health administration was invented at the beginning of the 20th century. This is happening in the richest country in the world, and the country that literally taught every other country in the world outside Europe how to do modern public health.

America, once the "leader of the free world", the "Can Do" nation, is now a nation of hucksters, grifters, and finance engineers, and a world laughingstock/pity-object. 2016 seems so very long ago...


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@hadgigegenraum : You have ceased to amuse. You are a hateful, ignorant moron who believes every idiot right-wing grift anyone tries to sell you. You are fortunate to live in a state with a very low population and a quite good state health department (zero new cases today, congrats!).

As is well known, the legendary self-reliance of Vermonters depends on the generosity of the good narcissistic folks in NYC and the other urban areas that pay almost all Federal taxes in the US, and subsidized welfare-queen Vermonters to the tune of $2,333,000,000 in 2017 (net Federal expenditures in Vermont over Federal taxes paid by Vermont). Narcissistic NY state sent $35,562,000,000 more to the Federal government than it got back in Federal spending.

And a great big "Fuck you too" from NY.


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Posted by: @ignant666

Then the UK abruptly shifted to the "flatten the curve" distancing and lockdown measures most of the rest of the world is doing. Right before they announced Boris had tested positive

As far as I can make out, there were two factions in the scientific civil service. One faction held that the Chinese plague virus was little worse than a bad case of the 'flu and a "herd immunity" strategy would let it roll through the nation and so build immunity. The other faction held that there was (and currently is) no evidence that if people got it once, they would be immune and that as the virus is unknown, so better to be on the safe side and close the borders and introduce the lockdown. Those enamoured of the "herd immunity" strategy got the upper hand and so we gave up testing and quarantining and isolating. They are still arguing about it.

It wasnt just Johnson who got it. Half the cabinet caught it too, because they never practiced the social distancing.

Those countries that did take the virus seriously distrusted the Chinese regime lies about it. In January, the WHO pronounced "the Chinese government has the situation under control" and " there is no need to ban travel from Wuhan, this is racist" and "there is no evidence of person-to-person infection"

Today S Korea reports zero new cases. Her Maj has complemented the PM of New Zealand for beating the virus - it has now been eradicated there. Taiwan has their epidemic well under control. Hong Kong has very few new domestic cases. Even the Isle of Man is close to eradication. These countries closed their borders, enforced a testing, tracing contacts, quarantining and isolating regime and seem to have done very well.

It seems that here in the UK we are heading to 100,000+ casualties - and over the pond you will be needing another million or so body bags. From a military point of view, it looks like a Chinese Pearl Harbour, they have managed to take out about half of the US Navy - without firing a shot. Diabolically clever.

 


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The WHO of course never in January said any of the things you say they said, other than saying travel restrictions were not justified as of January 31.

You can read every single WHO COVID-19 "Situation report" right here:

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports/

The Chinese initially were less than forthcoming, probably more because no one wants to deliver bad news in an authoritarian dictatorship than any active cover-up. They have been extremely forthcoming with scientific and epidemiological data since then, other than total deaths.

This is not a man-made virus, or something that escaped from a lab, or a bio-weapon. It is the pandemic product of viral evolution, and something the world public-health community has been warning against for literally decades.

As a Thelemite, you may have heard of "Chaos" as a primal force in the universe?

Countries that are doing the normal modern public health things in response will do pretty well, countries that don't (like the USA), won't. Being an island of course helps, though as the UK is showing, it's not enough.


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30/04/2020 8:09 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

You can read every single WHO COVID-19 "Situation report" right here:

The situation reports are one thing, and reflect I think the Chinese attempt to control the narrative. The WHO's pronouncements in Jan were reported on our BBC, thats where I remember them from

Posted by: @ignant666

As a Thelemite, you may have heard of "Chaos" as a primal force in the universe?

Yup, only I would call it the Law of Entropy - eventually everything breaks down into chaos unless energy is expended to prevent it.

Posted by: @ignant666

Being an island of course helps, though as the UK is showing, it's not enough.

The difference was, these countries reacted really fast, especially those that had had experience of the second SARS epidemic. Allowing large groups of people to congregate, like the Engand/Wales rugby cup final (60,000 attended) or the Cheltenham Gold Cup (250,000 over 3 days) horserace meeting was what really spread it here.

Zerohedge is often maligned as a conspiracy website. Actualy it is a financial website and reports news and rumours that move the markets. Here's a link covering the Chinese military's interest in the virus that you may enjoy

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sudden-militarization-wuhans-p4-lab-raises-new-questions-about-origin-deadly-covid-19

 


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Posted by: @frater_anubis

The situation reports are one thing, and reflect I think the Chinese attempt to control the narrative. The WHO's pronouncements in Jan were reported on our BBC, thats where I remember them from

Anything you heard from the UK media about the WHO saying something in January was the UK media reporting on the contents of the Situation Reports.

Those are, verbatim, the things the WHO said in January.


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30/04/2020 8:23 pm  

@ignant666

We will have to agree to disagree on this one I think. Eventually someone will write a history of this pandemic and thats when people will really start covering their arses :}


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30/04/2020 8:55 pm  

US Director of National Intelligence, Richard A. Grennell, appointed by Donald J. Trump February 20, 2020, says

The intelligence community [IC] also concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the Covid-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified. [...] The IC will continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan.

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/item/2112-intelligence-community-statement-on-origins-of-covid-19


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30/04/2020 8:58 pm  
Posted by: @frater_anubis

Some of our media are saying the true death rate is about 42,000, which is truly shocking.

Since we don't know what the UK.gov is saying, we cannot compare 42.000 to anything.

Okay, I looked it up and found 26,771.

On the other hand, we find stories (from nurses, no less) about US hospitals assigning CoVid to all sorts of deaths, because they get paid more from the fed if its the virus.

Frankly, and to be honest as well, I (like almost everyone) am isolated from external reality, and my only sources of real news, fake news, and pundit-guessing, being digital input. It is interesting to see all kinds of reports citing different viewpoints on manufacturing, releasing, coverups, fake figures, infection rates and death rates.

Personally, I do not believe the scientists, the doctors, the politicicians, and the makeup artists, except for one overriding factor: Keep the door locked, the mail and packages (and contents) disinfected, with plenty of time to wait and see how the war goes.

Posted by: @frater_anubis

And this isnt a biological weapon? Hmmm....

It certainly could be a bioweapon, if it were purposely released for military (or even economic) purposes. Unfortunately, we only get to see the effects, and the exact mechanism of the cause remains a matter of conjecture, opinion, or other mental leanings.

Posted by: @frater_anubis

The jury is probably still out on the bioweapon theory. But it's possible they were bioengineering it in the Wuhan Institute of Virology

I agree with the jury (still confused), but the Institute (as you note) being only two blocks from the zoo-market does compel anyone to wonder.

Posted by: @ignant666

@hadgigegenraum : You have ceased to amuse.

Uh, oh. HG is about to be sent to climb Mt eLGMOR.

Posted by: @frater_anubis

They are still arguing about it.

Of course they are. Anything whatsoever (which is a mystery) can always be divided into two camps. Sometimes one side wins (by providing proof), sometimes the other. The chronograph (coronagraph?) needs more digits before we the people know ... if the gov doesn't hide something.

Posted by: @frater_anubis

[WHO said] " there is no need to ban travel from Wuhan, this is racist"

No it isn't. It is specifically geographic. The virus and our comments are never racist ... we know better. The error-distortion from China to WHO to govs to us was obviously flawed or spun.

Remember Billy Jack's rule: "When the gov gets corrupt, it's no longer a matter of Law. It's a matter of Survival." (paraphrased).

Posted by: @frater_anubis

From a military point of view, it looks like a Chinese Pearl Harbour, they have managed to take out about half of the US Navy - without firing a shot. Diabolically clever.

This is one scenario we will keep in mind ... behind locked doors.

 


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Yup as I suspected 'The-Ignantsixsixsix' gets totally triggered by my calling the NYC a narcissist capital of the world, which should get the Londoners into a full punk spitting rage of jealousy for not having been given such a crown, and to which  '-ant-'  then proceeds to thus change subjects with a wonderful attack upon the State of Vermont that further makes my point, for the figures so described exactly mirror the unfortunate fiscal reality that is Vermont and the nation including New York, home of Wall Street,  and it chronic position of vampire through its 'lost empire state' position due where if we were to employ 'Dawkins Ethics' would demand the immediate thermonuclear elimination of the 'City', but that did not need to happen as Rohatyn and Big Mac ushered further Rockefeller based looting of the productive capabilities of the great city to hedonistic rotten apple it has long been a harbor to pirates under the City of London's Jolly Roger...Face it babe the whole fucking nation and world is dealing with Wall Street and the City of London's $1.5 Quadrillion dollar derivatives bubble, popping like an ass beyond popper dilation, pop,  and yes the politicians in Vermont are but treasonous cucks and some of us actually considered the legal precedent of secession back to the Republic of Vermont...be that as it may the reason that Manhattan is a mess is because its denizens, like everybody else, thinks that money becomes before wealth, (which if your doubt then try not eating) which is the great lie of modern liberalism based upon financial primacy that has lost track of the fact that 'stealing one's daily bread' does not work, but is exactly the policy that has lead to the fact that the dollar is not really a dollar for the farmer who now according to USDA up at Cornell demonstrates that farmers are only getting 30 cents of the legal 'Parity' dollar 7 USC Sec 602...and thus why we have the debt tsunami that requires thermonuclear stockpiles, bioweapons labs, and bases around the world to enforce the primacy of financial rule by the bankrupt drug addicts....But oh legal pot will save everything in New York State, that wowie Hudson kush grown on the Rockefeller estates, with first dibs to the homies they put in jail back in the day....why did i see someone's name sprayed on a subway car back in the day....

Thus and as I suspected we most likely have a believer in the 'pancake' theory of the collapse of the Twin Towers, but not to mention the BBC calling the collapse of Building 7 forty five minutes before it was imploded...i guess it was lightning....igniting the path towards perpetual conflagration which I suppose is some inherent belief in AL, that subject does not believe, but how dare @RTC upset the 'official story' that might demonstrate that the governing dynamics of Thelema is by those that realize that the 'slaves shall serve" and that AC was such a slave in serving the masters of the enslavement of humanity! .....eh Stardust! (read link provided above for allusion)...did your parents ever consider abortion, upon Dawkins fascist ethics, for there is reason to suspect retardation even in very intelligent people which i consider the person behind the ignant666 to be!...though i am sure that he wants me aborted from this site for upsetting those who might think that Agape is just a number!

 


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30/04/2020 9:55 pm  

Actually, I'll have some of those drugs as well. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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30/04/2020 10:16 pm  

Speaking of "totally triggered"...

Jesus H. Fucking Roller-Skating Christ On Goofballs, that is a screed.

Some bitches will throw an ing-bing, and take a conniption, think their day is done, and just up and call that mess a screed, but not our Woodchuck Comrade, oh no not he.

When he throws down a screed, that screed is an epic ing-bing, wrapped in a heroic conniption fit, enfolded in a full-on, St. Vitus break-dancing outbreak of St. Anthony's lysergic fire, encased in a hurricane-force frenzy of howling-mad, bats-in-the-belfry, Bedlam-bound insanity, encased in an invulnerable armor of ignorance, illiteracy, and lack of education.

11 out of 10, would be excoriated again. Just a bit in awe really. 


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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Yup as I suspected 'The-Ignantsixsixsix' gets totally triggered by my calling the NYC a narcissist capital of the world

But you seem to be raving about all kinds of off-topic pronouncements. I mean with RTC in a confined dungeon, you have stepped forward for this phase of the coronal inconvenience.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

a full punk spitting rage

Dissemination of astral/emotional states of misfortune is unwarranted.

Posted by: @ignant666

that screed is an epic

A whole book in just two paragraphs. I recommend contacting Tiger for lessons on how to use the "Enter" or "Carriage Return" functional button.

Posted by: @ignant666

etc ... enfolded in a full-on, St. Vitus break-dancing outbreak of St. Anthony's lysergic fire, encased in a hurricane-force frenzy of howling-mad, bats-in-the-belfry, Bedlam-bound insanity ... etc

He is upset about something. Medical Code: 333 "Upset."

 


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01/05/2020 1:28 am  

Okay, we can all relax our imaginations now ...

"The US intelligence community has determined Covid-19 "was not manmade or genetically modified", though it is still investigating the virus' origins.

"The National Intelligence chief's office said agencies are looking into whether the outbreak began from animal contact or a laboratory accident."

They will be getting back to us sometime soon. Perhaps even before the "next book" hits the stands. I have asked them, telepathically of course, to see if the accident was on purpose.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496098

 


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01/05/2020 5:51 am  

And, of course, there's this, reported on the mainstream propaganda site CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/politics/trump-intelligence-community-china-coronavirus-origins/index.html

President Donald Trump contradicted a rare on-the-record statement from his own intelligence community by claiming Thursday that he has seen evidence that gives him a "high degree of confidence" the novel coronavirus originated in a laboratory in Wuhan, China, but declined to provide details to back up his assertion.

The comments undercut a public statement from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued just hours earlier which stated no such assessment has been made and continues to "rigorously examine" whether the outbreak "began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan."
"Yes, I have," Trump said when asked whether he's seen evidence that would suggest the virus originated in the lab. Later, asked why he was confident in that assessment, Trump demurred.
"I can't tell you that. I'm not allowed to tell you that," he said.

 


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Posted by: @soz

but declined to provide details

Trumps don't provide details about anything, unless they're holding a piece of paper in one hand and a pen in the other.

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Let There Be (a new) Law

Posted by: @soz
... the virus originated in the lab. Later, asked why he was confident in that assessment, Trump demurred. "I can't tell you that. I'm not allowed to tell you that," he said.

So over here, on this side of the rickety fence, we have a tradition of arcane secret societies.  OTO used to be one of them, before it seems they became a defunct publishing company.

Over there (.gov, not across the pond), on the other side of something resembling the Great wall of China in good repair), they have their own political secret society (Skull & Bones, [possibly] Freemasony in some cases, Ongoing Investigations, and (the Ultimate Trump Card these days) National Security.

Query: Over there (across the pond), Is there obvious or semi-obvious corruption via bribery in the U.K.?

Other "civilized" countries where you (anyone) might live?

 


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It's pointless watching an hour-long news piece on the virus now.  It's sorta predictable, the government are going to hold meetings about easing the lockdown,  we need more masks, testing is being stepped up, wife-beating's on the increase ,oh and here's some idiotic prick who ran around his garden 700 times for charity. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Posted by: @dom

It's pointless watching an hour-long news piece on the virus now.

Right. So here's the short-form:

Phase One (1st circuit, Survival ), where (almost) everyone bought toilet paper and ran home for their lives, now gives way (in the USA) to Phase Two (2nd Territorial circuit - "who's in charge?").

It's Republicans vs Democrats, with a mixed up re-opening of the land, with Senators heading back to DC, even though DC is now the hottest, fastest flaring-up, metro area in the country. Go figure. Says so in the Scriptures NY Times...

"The bottom line: The country is about to enter a new phase of the virus, with a near-national lockdown giving way to more regional variation."
- NY Times Monday Briefing today

Phase Three may involve intellectual tasks (Hod- Circuit 3) to combat a variation of Kephera, the Booming Beetle. Again from the fountain of truth, the NY Times tells us ...

"

In Japan, the hornets kill up to 50 people each year. Being stung by one, a scientist told The Times, felt like having red-hot thumbtacks “driven into my flesh.”

 


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04/05/2020 9:23 pm  

The bees in Japan through successive generations of ...exposure to the nasty hornets have come up with a sad but slightly,barely, effective defence mechanism.  

They surround the offending hornet (only one at a time please) with their little hive bodies, and all vibrate en masse to create heat, which cooks the hornet alive. 

YHVH alone knows how many bees have to die to kill one hornet in such a slow manner.

 

Sorry if it was already mentioned in yonder article. 


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I don't know where this guy works or who he knows but unfortunately everything he has been posting on my other forum has been spot on.  RE Covid-19.

Unfortunately: 

'...I only jumped in to say that the information I have seen will put us closer to 500,000 deaths by the end of this year. Everyone is forgetting that this will cycle through every human 3 times. That is by design. We are not even through the first cycle, and likely won't be until late September - early October.

Keep your eyes out for what happens to the asymptomatic carriers from the first cycle once the 2nd cycle starts up. This is going to continue to get worse. We are looking at a 2 year minimum for all 3 cycles to complete.

Vaccines will not work. I repeat.... Vaccines will not work. The only thing we can do is a repeating pattern of social distancing, opening back up slowly, shutting down again, social distancing, opening back up slowly, shutting down, etc....'


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04/05/2020 10:37 pm  

For example he knew this from reports and shared it on 6 FEB (working with FEMA) and we the general public did not hear anything like this in the media until over one month later:

15% fatality rate
Incubation up to 14 days
Virus can live on metal surfaces up to 21 days in the right conditions
High humidity is very helpful to containing the virus
Artificially created strand of coronavirus
Super Spreaders can be asymptomatic
Probably over 50 cases already in the US

 

so just thought I would share

 

PS to say he posted this today. 

'It was actually created by the USA, stolen by China (via Canada), and then released by a third party in China (not China or the USA) to create maximum tension between the 2 large world players. This was all deep state initiated biological warfare.'


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Posted by: @christibrany

I don't know where this guy works or who he knows but unfortunately everything he has been posting on my other forum has been spot on.  RE Covid-19.

Unfortunately: 

'...I only jumped in to say that the information I have seen will put us closer to 500,000 deaths by the end of this year. Everyone is forgetting that this will cycle through every human 3 times. That is by design. We are not even through the first cycle, and likely won't be until late September - early October.

Keep your eyes out for what happens to the asymptomatic carriers from the first cycle once the 2nd cycle starts up. This is going to continue to get worse. We are looking at a 2 year minimum for all 3 cycles to complete.

 

 

Vaccines will not work. I repeat.... Vaccines will not work. The only thing we can do is a repeating pattern of social distancing, opening back up slowly, shutting down again, social distancing, opening back up slowly, shutting down, etc....'

Yeah isn't this all conjecture?   We don't know if or how we are going to get a handle on this situation yet.   What we do know is that so far in the U.K. weeks of lockdown have slowly reduced the daily death-toll.   

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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05/05/2020 1:54 am  

@dom

 

It's just grist for the mill old son.  Esp. since what he said months ago I thought was too extreme, and it came true. 


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Posted by: @christibrany

Everyone is forgetting that this will cycle through every human 3 times. That is by design.

Somebody is claiming (by imperative inference) that he knows all about the virus and its "design." We will know it's 3 times after it cycles 3 time and quits.

Does he provide scientific references, or does he just channel this stuff?

Posted by: @christibrany

Keep your eyes out for what happens to the asymptomatic carriers from the first cycle once the 2nd cycle starts up.

Well, yes. I am recommending to myself that I stay inside regardless of what opens up, until it's gone. Gone, not "past the peak," "a descending curve," or "hardly around any more."

While I am waiting, I am watching all bases, from sharpened bioweapon to natural genesis, to several version of the curves and numbers of new cases. Right now, I am interested in watching highly infected places ( like Georgia and DC) that are opening up right now. It is also smart to watch what happens in Spain and Italy as they open.

Posted by: @christibrany

Vaccines will not work. I repeat.... Vaccines will not work.

Scientist? Channel? How does he know this?

Posted by: @christibrany

'It was actually created by the USA, stolen by China (via Canada), and then released by a third party in China (not China or the USA) to create maximum tension between the 2 large world players. This was all deep state initiated biological warfare.'

This is pretty much the legend as I first heard it told to me. No "proof" has surfaced. So it's one more scenario, out of many possibilities, and we may never know the truth.

Posted by: @dom

so far in the U.K. weeks of lockdown have slowly reduced the daily death-toll.   

Looking at the international curve charts, everybody is past the "peak," except for Brazil and Russia. USA is a sawtooth, still close to the peak. Many countries are opening up, or planning to, even while the charts still show bad news floating around.

states

 

 


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