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ignant666
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25/02/2020 2:43 pm  

Our right-wing "full-time investor" Comrade feels rich after having (allegedly) made a spare three grand. Chicken feed, son- see below.

The Comrade is obviously a young person, who fancies himself a Nietzschean Superman, who can't wait for failed liberal policies to bring on the Apocalypse, when his superior personal qualities will lead to his destined triumph, Mad Max style.

Since the Comrade is also really into money as measure of human worth, i suggest he might want to consider dropping the "full-time investing", and doing what i did for a living at his age: selling illegal drugs.

This should both satisfy his desire to make a lot of money fast, and will also give him a chance to test just how hard he really is against seriously violent and dangerous folks.

In my early 20s, i made, in inflation adjusted terms, about $620k/year. I was heavily armed at all times, because of the constant threat of armed men entering my home and place of business to take my money and merchandise. I refer of course to narcotics detectives, and the even more dangerous and deadly gangs that live by robbing drug dealers. Both groups work day and night to locate drug dealers making lots of money, and then come kick in your door and point guns at you- good fun for a Nietzschean Superman.

It's the perfect lifestyle for a money-hungry, amoral young man who thinks he's a tough guy! Give it a shot, Comrade. Of course, you would never consider doing such a thing, because it's actually, in real life, really dangerous, and you are, in real life, softer than the proverbial baby feces, behind all the bluster.


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25/02/2020 5:52 pm  

See, runelogix? If you only applied yourself, you too could one day sell crack for the CIA like uncle ignant.

If anyone cares what Saint Friedrich actually thought of material wealth and social standing, beyond using his name as an insult, then I would direct them to section eleven of Thus Spake Zarathustra, The New Idol. I would recommend reading it as a metaphysician (or at least a theologian) would and not an ape, lest you become a libertarian and not a superman. 

Open still remaineth a free life for great souls. Verily, he who possesseth little is so much less the possessed: blessed be moderate poverty!

There, where the state ceaseth -- there only commenceth the man who is not superfluous: there commenceth the song of the necessary ones, the single and irreplaceable melody.

There, where the state ceaseth -- pray look thither, my brethren! Do ye not see it, the rainbow and the bridges of the Superman?

Thus spake Zarathustra.


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25/02/2020 6:10 pm  

Not intending any slur on any allegedly syphilitic German philosopher that our Comrade has never read, Comrade djedi- my use of the term "Nietzchean Superman" was parodic.

I should probably have stuck to the veritably correct "mighty Gorean warrior", or gone for a more likely factual slur, like "Randian Free-Marketeer" or something.

In my defense, i'd like to say that i never "[sold] crack for the CIA", or anyone else. My drug-dealing days slightly precede the "crack era", and i was an independent free-lance operator. I did work for a Manhattan weed-delivery service for a couple of years in grad school, years later, but that was my only period selling drugs "for" someone.

I made millions of dollars a year for the Mississippi hippie farmers who gave me a NYC exclusive on their then-new product known as "skunk weed" (now known and revered in world cannabis markets as "Skunk #1"), and made many hundreds of thousands a year for the Pennsylvania/New Jersey biker gang The Pagans (Hells Angels main East Coast rival at that time, and i think still) who supplied me with crystal meth (via an ex-Mennonite art student who had turned secular in a big way on his Rumpspringa, and is now a famous painter in Italy).

But i was my own boss, called my own shots, and played at my own risk. Thus all the guns, and the live hand grenade in the bottom of the stash drawer of my desk. Ah the good old days.


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25/02/2020 8:20 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Since the Comrade is also really into money as measure of human worth, i suggest he might want to consider dropping the "full-time investing", and doing what i did for a living at his age: selling illegal drugs.

This should both satisfy his desire to make a lot of money fast, and will also give him a chance to test just how hard he really is against seriously violent and dangerous folks.

 

In my defense, i'd like to say that i never "[sold] crack for the CIA", or anyone else. My drug-dealing days slightly precede the "crack era", and i was an independent free-lance operator. I did work for a Manhattan weed-delivery service for a couple of years in grad school, years later, but that was my only period selling drugs "for" someone.

I made millions of dollars a year for the Mississippi hippie farmers who gave me a NYC exclusive on their then-new product known as "skunk weed" (now known and revered in world cannabis markets as "Skunk #1"), and made many hundreds of thousands a year for the Pennsylvania/New Jersey biker gang The Pagans (Hells Angels main East Coast rival at that time, and i think still) who supplied me with crystal meth (via an ex-Mennonite art student who had turned secular in a big way on his Rumpspringa, and is now a famous painter in Italy).

But i was my own boss, called my own shots, and played at my own risk. Thus all the guns, and the live hand grenade in the bottom of the stash drawer of my desk. Ah the good old days.

I think this thread is moving to a bit dangerous territory in terms of site guidelines and moderation, but what the heck.

 

Back in 2010 I was interested in Dark Net drug markets that could be accessed through Tor network (Thank-you CIA!) as a means of purchasing illegal drugs for my own use, mainly because I was looking for a way to 1) Not have to meet drug dealers in person 2) Remain anonymous.

There was a certain site (now closed by the FBI) called "Silk Road" founded by a certain Ross Ulbricht alias Dread Pirate Roberts. Ross is now serving Double life imprisonment +40 years without possibility of parole in United States Penitentiary, Tucson.

 

The site was quite innocent at first, mainly some drug dealers selling narcotics, but as the popularity grew you had all sorts of (illegal) guns and gun parts for sale, fake identities, all the stuff you can imagine. All the purchases were done with Bitcoin, which 10 years ago cost only a fraction of the cost. I remember buying one Bitcoin for a little over dollar, while the price today is hovering somewhere around $9300.

 

It was a very absurd time here in Europe, as some post offices offered a service called Poste Restante where you could pick letters without having an address and without showing an identification to the postal workers. You could collect letters that had a receiver named "Donald Duck" and the postal worker would only ask you for a confirmation: "Are you Mr. Donald Duck?" and the letter was yours. This is not possible anymore as the laws changed because many criminals abused this rather curious, archaic feature.

 

I was little over 16 years old, collecting international drug letters sometimes with Moroccan hash and sometimes with various American cannabis strains on them (not huge amounts, few grams at most) bought through Bitcoin and visiting post offices in other towns collecting letters addressed to recipients such as "Mickey Mouse" and "Donald Duck". The only time letters did not come through was because the international customs had "smelled" the letters, but what are they gonna do? They cannot arrest Mr. Mickey Mouse as he does not exist and probably did not even bother because they were so absurdly small amounts for my own hedonistic use.

 

I don't use any illegal substances anymore and since then the anonymous letter receiving is not possible either and all my "crimes" are way too old and minor to be even effective anymore. But without giving any bad ideas to anyone, there are ways to make money through illegal means without meeting any seriously violent and dangerous folks. Certainly the few dealers (who never got busted) at the Silk Road did.

Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


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25/02/2020 8:29 pm  

Here are some of the items featured that the infamous Silk Road offered in the "good old days"

 

Later, of course, the site view looked like this:

?w=730&crop=1

 

Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


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26/02/2020 12:09 am  

@djedi 

If anyone cares what Saint Friedrich actually thought of material wealth and social standing

 

Nope.  

 

@ignant

You're an ex-capitalist.  When did you come to the left?  Was it after all of the dealings?  

The Comrade is obviously a young person, who fancies himself a Nietzschean Superman, who can't wait for failed liberal policies to bring on the Apocalypse, when his superior personal qualities will lead to his destined triumph, Mad Max style.

 

Well yes, as soon as I read the OP I could see it had been fed by right wing Mansonesque nutty wet-dream fantasies.  Fantasies that is  of a post social- breakdown racial polarization war of every (white) man for himself and grab a gun quick.  Just corny and nothing to do with Thelema.  White-supremacists (who gravitate towards "the wickedest man in the world")  appear to have a scotoma about the passage of AL which discusses and endorses African magic.

1:37. Also the mantras and spells; the obeah and the wanga; the work of the wand and the work of the sword; these he shall learn and teach. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obeah_and_Wanga

Obeah is a folk religion and folk magic found among those of African descent in the West Indies. It is derived from West African Igbo sources and has a close North American parallel in African American conjure or hoodoo.
A wanga (sometimes spelled oanga or wanger) is a magical charm packet found in the folk magic practices of Haiti, and as such it is connected to the West African religion of Vodun, which in turn derives from the Fon people of what is now Benin.


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26/02/2020 12:22 am  
Posted by: @dom

You're an ex-capitalist.  When did you come to the left?  Was it after all of the dealings?  

Around age ten, when i read book called The Black Flag Of Anarchy from my junior high school library. That lead rapidly to reading Bakunin, Kropotkin, etc.

Or maybe age 9, watching cops beat down the Yippies at the '68 Democratic convention on TV.

Being very good at making money does not mean you favor the conditions of the society in which you did it.

Also, drug dealing is mostly mercantilist, and not capitalist. Very few drug dealers grow rich off the labor of others due to ownership of the means of production, which is the definition of capitalism.

Rather, they make money by high tolerance for risk/physical danger, being reliable/not flaky, being good at keeping customers happy, etc.


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27/02/2020 6:26 pm  

The profession of the (immediate) future: Plague Doctor:

Wikipedia.org - Plague Doctor

Wikipedia.org - Plague Doctor Costume

Naturally, late capitalism is willing to ship now, at least until we are all dead:

https://plaguedoctormasks.com/product/plague-doctor-mask-for-sale/


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28/02/2020 5:55 pm  

@ignant666

 

I hear that the honorable profession of drug dealing is a great lesson in true laissez-faire, free market economics though.

 


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28/02/2020 7:06 pm  

Yes indeed- yet another reason for our Gorean Comrade to take it up as a profession- the only real "free markets" that exist.


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01/03/2020 2:52 am  

@the_real_simon_iff https://www.miskatonicbooks.com/

@ptoner I have come across a lot of f words on the internet, but you are a king of f words!

 

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Force and Fire is not metaphorical. In Prophetes Veritas Venit.


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01/03/2020 3:00 am  

Since this post started 2 weeks ago: US death has occurred, the port of LA is reporting 25% of normal imports, face masks have become unobtainable, empty store shelves have appeared in various places particularly Costco and some Walmarts, and more in Hawaii and Washington State. Ramen noodle prices increased by 40% since December. Certain countries are undergoing social breakdown (Iran seems in early stages of free fall), South Korea health minister has taken his own life, Iran health minister is dead, the Pope is very likely sick with Corona, Turkey is openly invading Syria, millions of migrants being let off on Greece's shores, the US Vice President has been assigned as Corona response Czar. It is fair to say that in 2 more weeks more dysfunction will be apparent in more locations. Be on the look out for empty food distribution centers where you live, rioting won't be far off when that happens. Expect all official sources of news and information to be propaganda and that the truth is much worse then it seems.

Force and Fire is not metaphorical. In Prophetes Veritas Venit.


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01/03/2020 12:57 pm  

So, you are back to your initial, hair-on-fire assessment, and it is no longer "just the flu", and "everything" is no longer "fine", the way it was, in your opinion, as a "full-time investor", just six days ago?

Why do you lack faith that God-Emperor Trump will handle this crisis with the great success he had in his business career?

Wait, did you find out about how that went for him, and realize that having a guy most noted for going bankrupt running casinos, money-laundering for the Russian mob, and playing a rich guy on TV running the Federal government is good for a laugh, but not such a good idea when there's some serious Presidenting to do?


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01/03/2020 1:21 pm  

My 6 cents is a professional scientist recently told me that it's mainly media hype and the people dying would've died  if they had contracted normal flu but 'flu' as killer doesn't get media-attention since it seems to be part of the symptoms that happen when a lot of us die anyway.  The media have this down as 'the black plague'/'the beubonic plague'.

My friend died at 47 because he was  a diabetic which shocked me.  I didn't know that diabetes was a killer, did you? Some people's immune systems are not good.   


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01/03/2020 4:27 pm  
Posted by: @dom

I didn't know that diabetes was a killer, did you?

Yes.

Posted by: @dom

Some people's immune systems are not good.

Yes.

 


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04/03/2020 12:49 am  

how's your toilet paper supply @dom? 😆 

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04/03/2020 7:57 am  

@runelogix

 

how's your toilet paper supply @dom?

 

Are you talking 'panic buyers'?  Haha.


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04/03/2020 8:02 am  

@dom I might be a hermit but Australian toilet paper shortages have been reported for two days now. Over here ramen noodle cup prices increased 300%. Expecting full shtf in 2 weeks. But its just media hype you'll be fine. What's wrong with using leaves anyway?

 

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04/03/2020 8:10 am  

No I meant it's real.  The supermarket had no bananas in last Friday. You read me wrong. 


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04/03/2020 1:44 pm  

david- Our Gorean Comrade thinks you are in Australia due to your avatar, rather than somewhere in the north of England.

I don't know where you are buying your ramen, Comrade, but here in NY, we are seeing no price increases or shortages (yet).

Those concerned about toilet paper shortages can use the Muslim "odd number of flat rocks" approach; perhaps some scholar of Islam can tell us why it has to be an odd number. Start gathering up your flat rocks NOW to avoid shortages and price-gouging.

Traditional Muslims wipe with the left hand and use the right hand for everything else. One thing i noticed when i started working with lots of epidemiologists and public health folks is: they always, and only, open door-knobs etc with their left hands (the right-handed ones anyway). COV-19 can be spread by hard-surface contact. Avoid touching hard surfaces in public places with your dominant hand, and you will lower your transmission odds.


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04/03/2020 9:01 pm  

@ignant666

Avoid touching hard surfaces in public places with your dominant hand, and you will lower your transmission odds.

 

I see, then this virus which is a product of Gaia is an enforced directive to make everyone get less logical and more intuitive.   (The uninformed should google 'right brain/left hand' activity).


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04/03/2020 9:32 pm  
Posted by: @dom

this virus which is a product of Gaia

The ANM (Alternative News) is sticking by its legend that the Carambavirus was engineered in a lab by The Deep State and released in China in order to slow its economy which is interferring in Black Lodge Profits.

A slight change by some has shifted to "targeting specific bloodlines" (DNA). I don\t believe any details, but I am open to lab-engineered bio-

Posted by: @dom

to make everyone get less logical and more intuitive.

You have either found the answer, or you have broken contact with reality. Watch for husky men in white coats bearing Indra's Net.

 

weapons.


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04/03/2020 9:37 pm  

Irony as it crosses The Atlantic....something happens.

 

 


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04/03/2020 10:42 pm  
Posted by: @dom

Irony as it crosses The Atlantic....something happens.

Irony is a subtle thing. Beware Indra's agents.


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04/03/2020 11:47 pm  

British irony gets swallowed up by The Bermuda Triangle. 


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05/03/2020 12:41 am  
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British irony gets swallowed up by The Bermuda Triangle. 

Frater Shem, DDS, was also a high-end auto mechanic. He worked on Maseratis and Ferraris. He said, "I never cared much for British Iron." I guess that's a sentiment similar to your scenario.


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05/03/2020 3:16 pm  

My Grand Lodge has issued specific instructions about the coronavirus on its homepage at https://www.ugle.org.uk/ .

  • If you or a family member are showing signs of illness, please do not attend your Lodge or Chapter meetings and follow the guidance below.

  • We recommend that members consider refraining from any physical contact within the ceremonies, before or after meetings. Given the tactile nature of many ceremonies, if you or candidates are concerned about how they can take place with little or no physical contact, while maintaining their meaning and impact, you may even wish to consider postponing the ceremony until the situation has improved.

Although we wear gloves in the Lodge room, there are still the 5PoF which involves close contact, plus all the fellowship at the Agapé. These last two, I believe, are also used in Thelema so would need to be addressed by the top Johnnies/Janes.

At such a gathering two days ago, our Official Visitor had news of a (to me) very funny nature. He announced the following, to take place on 6th June 2020:

https://surreyfreemasons.org.uk/the-big-handshake/

Surrey Freemasons are going to bring together people from across the Province and attempt to break the world record for the longest handshake relay, which currently stands at 1,730 people.

Great, isn't it? Freemasons: we control every aspect of the entire globe and can't organize a simple charity event with the Scouts.


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05/03/2020 5:42 pm  

@alan_obrien

 

Soap and water and hand sanitiser should do the trick... No need to stop the world's longest handshake. 

 


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05/03/2020 6:56 pm  
Posted by: @christibrany

Soap and water and hand sanitiser should do the trick... No need to stop the world's longest handshake.

Soap and water and virus-unfriendly solutions help to stop the spread of viruses that have settled on hard surfaces or people's hands, But this delightful demon is basically airborne. If anyone gets close to an infected person, it's their exhausted breath that is of concern. This virus is unique in that it is contagious even before a person shows signs and symptoms. It can apparently remain alive on hard surfaces for 28 days. The incubation period in an infected person is like 3 to 28 days. This is why 2-week quarantines are being "extended" to a month.

The only truly safe protection is to abrogate all in-person communication. If you need to talk to someone, this is why God invented the www. This is why schools and big events are being closed or canceled. This is why people are being told to stay home and not go to work. This is why there is a mounting shortage of Chinese goods.

I recommend that the world's longest handshake be assigned to the Qliphoth heap, and everyone just stay home. We are currently designing a decontamination system with gloves and disinfectant just to handle the mail and any packages ... because that's the only outside pipeline that will be open. It would be nice if the Internet did not crash, because if it holds up, commerce can still continue. Anyone thinking of visiting here is currently discouraged from indulging in such fantasies. For this round, even the secret password won't get you in.

If you have to go to work, or the stores, you will be placing yourself at risk. Some places held out for years without infection during the Spanish flu pandemic, but it eventually penetrated everywhere. Fifty million people died in that dreadful outbreak that was apparently breaking out all over during the time AC was traveling aroubd the globe. The salvation point is in the future. When a vaccine is developed, that will be the "final solution," but estimates put that date a year to a year and a half in the future. This is an Osirian fantasy-hope that may come true.


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05/03/2020 7:29 pm  

@Shiva

Yes, masks may or may not be effective.  I am going with mostly not.

 

I am just taking my chances, because hey, I gotta live my life. 

 

We are going to Europe in May, will keep you posted on if I bite the bullet or not.

If I don't post anymore, well, there ye be!

c'est la vie. la vie du mort. the malkuthian globe. 


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05/03/2020 7:30 pm  

Speaking of AC, did he ever mention the Spanish Flu in his writings. I don't recall reading of that. 


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05/03/2020 7:54 pm  
Posted by: @christibrany

Speaking of AC, did he ever mention the Spanish Flu in his writings.

Not that I know of, but SL MacGregor Mathers, his old teacher and I suspect father-figure, was alleged to have died to the Spanish Flu by Dion Fortune herself. I don't know how well AC kept up with MacGregor or any of his old circle after their falling out, but I imagine it would have had some effect on Crowley to learn MacGregor died, even if they weren't on good terms.


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05/03/2020 8:38 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

But this delightful demon is basically airborne.

I suppose if one was considering prophecies in Liber AL (as in the other thread/s going on at the moment) there's always

bring fresh fever from the skies

All the precautions etc could be viewed as a practice dry run for dealing with something which might be of a different order of unpleasantness altogether - Ebola, say: if that ever got out and spread wildly it would be like some sort of a zombie apocalypse.  Maybe we should count our blessings that it isn't worse than it is, and hope that it won't mutate into a more active strain...

Those ordering touch-screens in Macdonalds and other fast food outlets are an absolutely ideal agent for spreading the virus onto people's digits, I can't believe some people are still using them and then going straight on to stick french fries in their mouths, etc.

And on that cheerful note, washing my hands (of the matter)

N Joy


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05/03/2020 9:29 pm  
Posted by: @christibrany

es, masks may or may not be effective.  I am going with mostly not.

Viruses are very tiny. They do not "float" around by themselves, but must "ride" on something else, like a speck of dust or a tiny globule of water, like a person would expel if the coughed, sneezed, or just exhaled. Said globule could land on a counter-top, or their hand ... then they grab a doorknob. So the mask reduces dust and globules by acting as a filter. It slows things down pretty good, but is not i00% effective.

Mask, gloves ... what else?

Image result for medical hazmat suit

 

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Those ordering touch-screens in Macdonalds and other fast food outlets are an absolutely ideal agent for spreading the virus onto people's digits

Yes.

 

Let me pass on a cheery thought: Take a tightly, heat-fused, porcelain plate. Pretty smooth surface, eh? A virus is so small that it can pass (by gravity) through the molecular structure of the porcelain plate and fall out the bottom side.

That's just size data. Viruses don't fall through plates because they must "ride" on something else, and that something is too big to pass through the plate.


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05/03/2020 9:56 pm  

Then there is the whole thing that most people wearing masks do it incorrectly, the moisture particles etc sneak in through the sides, top etc, and the fact that generally after only a few hours of use they are too saturated to re use. 

 

I think the chances are we are all going to get this at some point.  Whether this year or a few years from now.  Or not.  I never got the 'SARS' Swine Flu but that's still around...

not even going into the bioweapon aspect!


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06/03/2020 2:44 am  
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@alan_obrien

 

Soap and water and hand sanitiser should do the trick... No need to stop the world's longest handshake. 

 

This is gov propaganda to make you feel safe in the midst of a global pandemic. Things that will absolutely not work is washing your hands. This is a virus, not bacteria. One apparently engineering for the sole purpose of killing human beings. Good luck everyone is all I can say.

Force and Fire is not metaphorical. In Prophetes Veritas Venit.


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06/03/2020 2:55 am  
Posted by: @christibrany

I think the chances are we are all going to get this at some point.

Each one of us is running a race away from contamination and towards a vaccine, whether we are running or sitting still. An effective vaccine will keep us from getting it, or at least drastically reducing its potency.

Posted by: @christibrany

not even going into the bioweapon aspect!

I shall shalt shall cite one factoid, and not stir these flames further (now).

What we are discussing on this thread is exactly what The Deep State said it would do if the "White Hats" moved in to start arrests in the pedophile arena. Remember Epstein, the master magistrate kingpin?

I have no proof. I do not visit these Alt News Sites.  I get told these things, daily, and then I go about my business. I track (mentally) what comes true and what was hysterical blubbering. This one was told to me about ten months ago, maybe a year.

Now I thought I'd post and go to some other thread ro argue about samahi, but I see this is my last open tab. I quit,

 


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06/03/2020 3:04 am  
Posted by: @runelogix

This is gov propaganda to make you feel safe in the midst of a global pandemic.

You joke. Dick Feynman, a man I admired as a boy, never washed his hands (or brushed his teeth) and considered it a superstition to do so. 


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06/03/2020 12:50 pm  

All good MAGAs know that hand-washing is a hoax, and only for cucks and libtards.

If you support our President, DO NOT WASH YOUR HANDS!!


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06/03/2020 8:48 pm  

I don't know if it's true or not (probably not) but the MSM today on the TV/online said this virus is not airborne spread, it is only spread by contact with surfaces/hands.  I wonder if that was just a ploy to get people to stop buying masks so there are more for healthcare workers. 

Fun stuff. 

One interesting thing I read from a doctor was that zinc lozenges help kill the virus if it is infecting your throat/larynx.


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06/03/2020 10:42 pm  
Posted by: @christibrany

TV/online said this virus is not airborne spread, it is only spread by contact with surfaces/hands. 

It's a respiratory illness, but all accounts I've read so far indicate this is probably true. Airborn stuuf has to travel on something, usually moisiture droplets. So you surely don't want anyone coughing on, sneezing at, or kissing, you. These mosture bombs get on doorhandles, facets, an d car parts. Eiyher touch nothing (good luck) or disinfect after everyone.


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06/03/2020 10:51 pm  

Its going to be hand-washing-hand-sanitising-no-breathing-at-all for a few weeks.  Like a good yogi. 

Should start practising my pranayama so I can bury myself alive for a few months. lol 


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14/03/2020 12:00 pm  
Posted by: @runelogix

There are two major issues of the Coronavirus pandemic: it being uncontained, carriers may have no symptoms for 24 days, and governments actively suppressing the correct number of infections and risks in order to prevent public panic. The other risk is the economic fallout that will begin to show itself in your local grocery stores. China is the worlds second largest economy and their economy has completely stopped for the last 30 days. Certain multinational company's are already being impacted but the impact will be much bigger then not being able to buy Apple Airpods. China may have 30-90 days of strategic food reserves on hand but when those run low they will buy from the international food markets and that means empty grocery store shelves for everyone else. Let's hope it doesn't get to that point but don't be surprised if it does. If or when Walmart shelves get empty in the US mass panic will begin and at that point it will be too late to stack up for your needs. Good luck out there and look out for fellow Thelemites.

The markets have plummeted and well we all know how drastic this virus situation now was/is.  The younger generation are now getting a sense of what it was like in the  seventies when women (yes men never did the family shopping then) were panicking and queuing around the block for bread.   I can't believe that the government have not ordered supermarkets to limit toilet paper sales for each shopper. 

 

Whether food will be scarce as Runelogix predicted in this OP I don't know.  I'm sure our great leaders (…..) have back-up plans to keep the population adequately supplied. 

Italy?  What the hell happened there and why?


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14/03/2020 12:23 pm  

A useful tip that i'm not sure i mentioned yet, that i noticed when i started working with public-health folks on research in the early 2000s:

People with public health grad degrees (MPH or PhD Epi) always and only open doorknobs with the non-dominant hand, the way Muslims use the left hand for ass-wiping only. It was something i noticed very soon after entering their world.

This way, infectious disease droplets on doorknobs are less likely to make it into your nose/mouth (this is why they tell you to stop touching your face, instantly causing all audience members to have an itchy nose).

They've closed the schools here for two weeks of laptop lessons (all students were issued chromebooks at the start of the year), and my wife's library will probably be closing soon. As a hermit and recluse, i've got that "social distancing" thing nailed, and of course have a great deal of work to do in the garden in coming weeks, so no need for mere humans,

Also, dogs can't get it, which is a huge relief.

Bitcoin took an even bigger hit than stocks last week, but i'm sure our Full-Time Investor Comrade saw it coming a mile off, being so savvy, and got out in time.

Clearly, his "just the flu" second opinion (when he was informed of the Trumpian party line on this matter) was dead wrong. His prediction of food shortages as China bought all the world's food was laughable then, and is clearly wrong now. So far, any local shortages are the result of panic-buying out-pacing retailers' efforts to re-stock. Soon, when warehouse workers start calling in sick, there may be bottlenecks getting food from warehouses to stores, but that hasn't happened yet.


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14/03/2020 1:47 pm  

@ignant666

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My next cool trick is to foretell bank holidays followed quickly by wars. The first one (of many) is most likely between Turkey and Greece. General food distribution within the US will be completely disrupted in two weeks (as distribution centers are emptied) and the general breakdown of law and order beings mostly in urban areas, at first. The first oil producing nations will devolve into chaos at about the same time (it is hard to say which ones, so many are on the verge of war or complete breakdown, Venezuela being a likely candidate). Left wing social democracy's will either be overthrown or destroyed in coming months as every European country shuts their borders and the EU is finally shown to be the farce it is. One of the most hard hit areas due to economic and social collapse will be the UK. Good luck and enjoy the show.

 

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Force and Fire is not metaphorical. In Prophetes Veritas Venit.


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14/03/2020 2:03 pm  

Thanx for the update, and anyone worrying that any of the dire outcomes you predict might come to pass can be reassured that none of them will happen, given your track record of always being wrong.

Best estimates are that US food warehouses hold about a 3 month supply of non-perishable food at present (that assumes no more food will be manufactured, which obviously is not correct at this point). And of course it is spring and the beginning of the gardening season, many "Victory Gardens" may fill in the slack in supply chains if any occurs.

I will check back in in two weeks, when US food distribution will be doing fine, and banks will be running smoothly, to ask for future predictions.


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14/03/2020 2:44 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Best estimates are that US food warehouses hold about a 3 month supply of non-perishable food at present

Three weeks supply in the normal "just in time" delivery models. Not under mass panic buying of all food stuffs in a matter of days. If you have not seen the lines at Costco's and wide reports of Walmarts being cleared out by now you should. I did some final shopping yesterday and it was a madhouse and reports are that it is a madhouse today.

Force and Fire is not metaphorical. In Prophetes Veritas Venit.


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14/03/2020 3:12 pm  

"The plural of anecdote is not data"- a maxim you might want to ponder. So far, and for the near future, none of what you predict seems likely. And in the worst case scenario, China buying up all the world's food, as you predicted, will not be a factor.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/13/food-supply-shortage-coronavirus/

In NYC, things are pretty hectic, true, but this is because high real estate prices mean small supermarkets, and almost no megastores, so frequent re-supply is needed.

Where i live 90 miles north of NYC, there are no shortages of anything, and i have seen no long lines.

Off to buy a few cases of beer to hunker down for the next two weeks as everything around here closes, and perhaps i will find empty shelves. In real life, the only other customer besides me for the Belgian ale i drink is the local Catholic priest; they will have plenty of stock.

We always have a largish survival supply of non-perishables. I was one of those "survivalist" nuts in the Reagan era, and am still a bit of a "prepper". We did some supplemental stocking up steadily for the last three weeks, so we are all set.

And of course i do have the advantage of living in a hard-core Democratic Party-run state, with the strongest public-health infrastructure in the US, a robust social services safety net, and a governor who is actually at his best as a disaster-relief autocrat, and who is taking robust measures (deploying the National Guard, forcing the Feds to allow state labs to develop and run their own tests).

Those who live in states run by the "government can't do anything right/rugged individualist" party may well be as badly off as you mention, and of course, no one can count on the Federal government for much given that it is run by a narcissist moron who won't listen to experts.

Sometimes you get what politicians promise, and in the "Red States" it ain't gonna be pretty, and of course the burden of caring for you will fall heavily on the "Blue States" as it always does.


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14/03/2020 3:57 pm  

@ignant666 I love listening to your assumptions.

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ignant666
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14/03/2020 4:15 pm  

And i to yours.

I haven't made specific predictions, and then been wrong, so far in this discussion, unlike some.

Posted by: @runelogix

General food distribution within the US will be completely disrupted in two weeks (as distribution centers are emptied) and the general breakdown of law and order beings mostly in urban areas, at first.

We will know whether this very specific prediction is correct or not on March 28. "Predictions are hard, especially about the future", to quote the great Yogi, Berra.

Those "law and order beings" will probably be fine, given your track record as a low-rent Nostradamus.


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