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22/03/2020 3:17 pm  

Those posts are outstandingly nuts, even given who they are by, and the world crisis, and the fact that spring is here.

Amphetamine psychosis is a very real thing. Been there, done that, got stacks of the tshirts; thank gods there was no internet when i was that crazy. It was a brief period, from about 17-27.

I do wish she could stay hinged as i do genuinely like her. But there are limits.


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22/03/2020 5:16 pm  
Posted by: @thelemis

the answer to surviving/thriving corona virus is Ice.

The drug Meth, crack, ICE, shabu, shard, speed, crystal, and whatever your country calls it.

Crystal methamphetamine ('ice') triggers the release of three chemicals in the brain, called dopamine, serotonin and noradrenaline.

convincing argument for Why

because I said so

You are giving medical advice to use a certain illegal substance. I believe this violates the Guidelines. Besides that, your Rx-Prescription has shown up nowhere as being effective.

Posted by: @thelemis

"the juries still out on meth"

No it's not. Several juries have put several people in jail for making or selling or possessing this stuff.

Posted by: @thelemis

- No matter what is said ICE is not addictive, it is a want not a need.

Having treated several meth addicts over the years, I would have to say that you, only recently returned from the other side of active enrollment, are wrong in the details of your statement, and wrong in your giving such stupid advice in a public place. Meth is extremely addictive. It has ruined many lives for life, and has been identified by me as the number one pharmaceutical vampire who is appointed to slay candidates on the Path.

Posted by: @thelemis

to remember is it is the drugs reaction not you.

No. It is your reaction to the withdrawal symptoms of an addictive drug.

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I am advocating it's use for you and your family in a short term capacity to fight this virus.

This can get your LAShTAL License revoked ... again.

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Goodness only knows why you feel the need to keep coming back with new usernames and the same old nonsense.

But this one was not the "usual nonsense." It came from the same place, but it was much more stupid and a source of really bad information.

 


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22/03/2020 5:30 pm  

@christibrany

 

Life is full of risks. I believe currently have more chance of getting hit by a car than catching covid-19.

 

That's what the last 10,000 cases said also.    Some high ranking basketball player had it but he didn't even know. 

 

By the way Nostradamus was a plague doctor.   Read into that as you will.   His advice was the removal of infected corpses, getting fresh air (how's that for bad advice in terms of social contact?), drinking clean water and drinking a juice preparation of rose hips.....(Jesus not another one).  

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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22/03/2020 5:49 pm  
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Meth is extremely addictive. It has ruined many lives for life,

Methamphetamine, like cocaine, and unlike opiates, alcohol, and barbiturates, does not produce addiction in the classical sense- psychological, and physical dependence.

No one who stops heavy use of amphetamine or cocaine gets any physical sickness similar to the "dope sickness" that goes with opiate withdrawal, or the "DTs"/seizures of alcoholic and barbiturate withdrawal. Freud said cocaine use is not addictive, because the ennui produced by discontinuing use is easily remedied by an additional dose.

But the psychological dependence, caused by the dopamine crash/depression when one ends an amphetamine run, or cocaine (typically in freebase/"crack" form) binge, can cause many to continue use, which just makes the inevitable crash worse, and in the case of cocaine makes you obsessive and boring, and in the case of amphetamine, nuts (but often very entertaining).

The often-ensuing cycle of dependent, obsessive, self-destructive use is clearly so close to what used to be called "drug addiction", even though it doesn't include the physical dependence that used to be considered (pre-crack) the hallmark of "addiction", that the terminology evolved, during/after the '80s-'90s crack epidemic, to use of "drug dependence", and then to the current (DSM-5) "substance use disorder".

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Meth [...] has been identified by me as the number one pharmaceutical vampire who is appointed to slay candidates on the Path.

The period when i was doing enormous amounts of speed and cocaine (ages 17-27) was also my peak period for doing ritual magick and kindred activities. The first very serious results came a couple years after i stopped, though.

Also my peak period for getting into lots of fights, but that was more NYC at the time than me. And they gave Benzedrine in military rations in WW II, Korea and Viet Nam, after all- being cranked up is a good idea if people want to hurt you.


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22/03/2020 8:11 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Freud said cocaine use is not addictive

Well, we can compare apples to oranges, and Freud to modern medical terminology, but here is the medical definition of an addictive substance:

1) With regular usage, and over time, one needs more, and more, of the substance to get the same effect.

2) After regular usage, and then stopping, physiological symptoms arise.

This #2) is even a characteristic of caffeine for many people. They get headaches, which is a physiological symptom.

Yes. both opioid and alcohol withdrawal is worse/harder than cocaine, but not as bad as barbuituates or gabapentin, both of which can kill a person in withdrawal.

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The period when i was doing enormous amounts of speed and cocaine (ages 17-27) was also my peak period for doing ritual magick and kindred activities. The first very serious results came a couple years after i stopped, though.

"Doing ritual magic" is certainly not a case of "being vampired" away from the work, and everyone who tries this stuff is not necessarily slain forever in their progress. But, as stated, it has been my personal experience that meth knocks more aspirants out than anything else, except maybe alcohol, and I am open to suggestions that they are both equally front-runners for the nomination.

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And they gave Benzedrine in military rations in WW II, Korea and Viet Nam, after all- being cranked up is a good idea if people want to hurt you.

Agreed. The US and UK and Nazis actually used Methedrine (methamphetamine) for the  air crews. Benzedrine, probably the weakest stimulant after caffeine, as you say, was liberally issued to anyone. This was sort of an authorized medical use. On ships, all medical kits should have stimulants, because you gotta stay awake when the water's rising in the hold.

Anyway, this is the virus epidemic thread, and Australians as well as other nationalities are advised to not trust amphetamines to cure anything but obesity and sleepiness ... by me.


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22/03/2020 8:40 pm  

Just to be clear, i was quoting Freud ironically, since he is clearly describing being himself dependent on cocaine, and not realizing that alleviating the slight ennui felt on discontinuing use by an additional dose is what constitutes being dependent on a drug.

And i agree that methamphetamine will not treat or cure any diseases other than boredom, and problems with excessive sanity, or inadequate numbers of recent arrests or fistfights.

 


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22/03/2020 8:41 pm  

I wonder if Nostradamus had his head in the ink-bucket every night actually amidst the plague crisis?

 

If so, that'd explain everything.    

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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22/03/2020 8:50 pm  

I am happy to report that Gov. Cuomo's near-total shutdown of the state of New York as of 8pm today classifies medical cannabis facilities as "essential services", but then so are wine and liquor shops (we get our beer at the grocery store, deli, or bodega in NY).

I normally hate Andrew Cuomo with a burning passion, as a slave to the money power, and turncoat Democrat, but i have to admit he is in his element in this crisis, and has distinguished himself by his leadership, i think doing as well as, or better than, any office-holder in the English-speaking world.

He is really good at this stuff, and i am glad to be a New Yorker at this time. He has finally done something to make his late father, a truly great NY governor, proud. The problem is he is lousy at day-to-day life, should such a thing ever return.

 


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22/03/2020 10:06 pm  

@ignant666

 

Good catch . Must have been the AUS currency usage.  

Mayet/Pegasus? 

Last she said she was about to get evicted.  Maybe 5 months ago?

Then a meth screed. 

Interesting. 

*cough*

 


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22/03/2020 11:02 pm  

5 Republican senators in self-quarantine, Sen. Paul tests positive.

Sen. Paul, who calls himself "Doctor" since he has some sort of ophthalmology degree, went to the Senate gym and pool today WHILE WAITING FOR HIS TEST RESULTS (Senate gym and pool were still open, since the Senate is not bound by the DC municipal order closing such places to hoi polloi).

With these folks anable to vote, the Republican Senate majority hangs on 2 votes (48-47, but Pence breaks ties), since McConnell refused motions to allow any non-in-person voting. If two more Republican Senators  self-quarantine/get sick, a majority of Americans will be represented by a Senate majority for the first time in many years as Dem Sen Schumer becomes Majority Leader.

The current Republican  Senate majority represents much fewer than half of Americans, since it is dominated by Senators from states with more sheep and cattle than humans.


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23/03/2020 1:07 am  
Posted by: @shiva

It's too late, Jamie. Even with the password, you'll lose two extra weeks just sitting around and fretting. You'll have to isolate where you are. All other visitationers and Chi challengers are advised to do the same thing. Do not come to New Mexico USA.

Aw, dang - that's a shame!  S'pose I'd better be unpacking my suitcase, then...

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we therefore ask members to refrain from any demonstrations of those elements of the ceremonies covered in the Obligation, or any attempt to reproduce the ‘choreography’ online

'You put your left leg in, you put your right leg (trousers rolled) out; in, out, in, out, you shake it all about...'

(You do the hokey-cokey and you turn around; that's what it's all about)

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23/03/2020 4:32 am  
Peculiar direction this thread has taken. Having recently had encounters with a once heavy meth user and their psychosis, emotional outbursts, aggression and violent impulses this is rather timely. It prompted a search for the long term effects.
Posted by: @shiva
Posted by: @thelemis

"the juries still out on meth"

No it's not.

NIDA would agree. The long term debilitating effects of meth use sound awful. To recommend it or try to downplay the harmfulness is hideous. 

@shiva Is NIDA a reliable source?

A link and some quotes

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/methamphetamine/what-are-long-term-effects-methamphetamine-misuse

Studies in chronic methamphetamine users have also revealed severe structural and functional changes in areas of the brain associated with emotion and memory, which may account for many of the emotional and cognitive problems observed in these individuals.

Research in primate models has found that methamphetamine alters brain structures involved in decision-making and impairs the ability to suppress habitual behaviors that have become useless or counterproductive. The two effects were correlated, suggesting that the structural change underlies the decline in mental flexibility.

 

While the article claims there was partial recovery indicated in studies the article goes on to say:

Function in other brain regions did not recover even after 14 months of abstinence, indicating that some methamphetamine-induced changes are very long lasting.

Thelemis/Mayet, if you're reading this and using, get into recovery asap.

 

On Topic:

At least lung damage wasn't mentioned with meth use in the article so it might not make anyone more vulnerable to complications from COVID-19. If it's not cut with materials and taken in a way that might cause lung damage.

 

More on topic:

Johns Hopkins University has an interactive tracking map of COVID-19 which is a great resource:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

 


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23/03/2020 6:07 am  
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@shiva Is NIDA a reliable source?

Sorry, I dunno no NIDA. I see it's a .gov, and I've found the medical side of USA.gov to be pretty straight forward. I was involved with its relative, NADA (Nat'l Acu Drug Assn, or something like that).

However, the parts you quoted are consistent with my observations of long-term, high-usage participants. Frater K.'. burned meth at a rate measured in piles, rather than the lines other folks used. He eventually thought there were people living in his attic and installed video surveillance to catch them. Shortly thereafter, he was found wandering way away from home. The police took him to the doc, who said "psychosis." He now lives in a nursing home.

Frater K.'. started on the drug merry-go-round when he was 8. After that, he hosted parties where he gave assorted substances to all the other kidlettes. He sold drugs all of his adolescent and adult life, until he blew out his cognitive chakra.

 


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23/03/2020 10:54 am  

Latest is 40 million jobs could be gone in the USA over the social isolation.  I don't foresee a swing to the left over that.

 

British idiots congregated in parks and beachfronts at the weekend but Boris the historian doesn't want to cave into traditional continental authoritarianism (Robespierre, Napoleon, Hister, Franco, Greek generals, Mussolini) and instead resorted to using British politeness to try to make idiots (naysayers and the suicidal) isolate

 

I went out for a half hour walk on Sunday and crossed the road when people were coming my way then I had to get petrol where people were breathing down each others neck in the queue. 

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23/03/2020 12:44 pm  

“ Goodness only knows why you feel the need to keep coming back with new usernames and the same old nonsense. “

Perhaps the “Tentative Intelligence” attempting the process of equilibrating the unskillful states, unbalanced emotional mental states and failing the difficult work; due to the intelligence that resists change and the pervasive insidious nature that insists that it is the center of Being .

The Trial, Ordeal of the little ego letting fly the arrow without a steady hand and a wavering gaze; practicing; up against hard knocks .

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23/03/2020 4:04 pm  
Posted by: @tiger

Perhaps the “Tentative Intelligence” attempting the process of equilibrating the unskillful states, unbalanced emotional mental states and failing the difficult work; due to the intelligence that resists change and the pervasive insidious nature that insists that it is the center of Being .

Your eloquent analysis and potential diagnosis is possibly the hammer hitting the nail on the head. Of course, it can be synthesized down into one word of four letters: MET_  (fill in the last letter ... like a crossnerd puzzle.


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23/03/2020 4:16 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

QBL (K used for C due to its pronounced sound)

K   20
O  70
V    6
I   10
D   4
1   1
9   9
__________
  120

Pardon me, folks, but that's a rather signifying monkey number around these parts. I don't even need to trot out my Sepher Sephiroth.

I'll leave it to the bean-counters to verify my work, and report me for "fake news" if I'm wrong or can't add properly ... to the Qabalists for further study, including the name of the Virus itself (SARS-Cov-2)[sic?] verify name before adding it up) ... to Duck, who will feed this data into his 5th ray, multi-dimensional, anal-izer, and let us know if this is The End of the World, or how to at least see the microscopic enemy entity in a different way.

 

 

I consulted an Israeli, native Hebrew speaker for 'correct' spelling of COVID-19 and he gave it as (seems to be the correct spelling according to the Hebrew wiki too, even though the Beth seems a bit strange)

 

QVBID (sic)

ק Qoph 100
ו Vav 6
ב Beth 2
י Yod 10
ד Daleth 4
__________
122

 

I added up the number 19 to 122 and got the final result of 131 as being the number "QVBID + 19".

 

Noticed it shares the same gematria value with the Hebrew word for "Pluto" or "PLVTV" https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%A4%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%98%D7%95
https://dictionary.co.il/hebrew/Pluto

 

Was instantly reminded of certain "AIDS-Table" by Michael Bertiaux, reproduced on Peter Koenig's parareligion.ch site:

 

Bertiaux associated AIDS outbreaks with Pluto and Saturn conjunctions.

 

Interestingly enough, both The AIDS and COVID-19 epidemics have occurred during the successive Saturn-Pluto conjunctions in 1982-1983 and 2019-2020 respectively.

 

Found a site called bio-astrology to support my Pluto-connection:
http://bio-astrology.com/the-common-in-the-covid-19-sars-hiv-epidemics/

 

"The first publication about AIDS was in the Science magazine on May 20, 1983. This is towards the end of Saturn-Pluto union, which lasted about a year and a half. The Covid-19 epidemic begins in Wuhan just at the next Saturn-Pluto’ conjunction, which was maturing from about a year then. The Saturn-Pluto opposition, which lasted for about a year, brought the SARS epidemic in 2002-2003 at its end."

 

Also table from the above mentioned blog for a comparison:

 

 

I'm not that much an astrologer myself, so I cannot verify these findings, but I present this as a short "Qabalistic Analysis" and my personal take on the COVID-19. I would also advise to consult medical specialists, rather than astrologers. Stay away from Meth too.

Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


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23/03/2020 4:54 pm  

@behemoth

Thanks for your analysis. There's another thread now for QBL analysis of the virus:

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/magick/investigating-gematria/#post-105180

 

Have a look and see if any of it lines up with your own findings.

 

(p.s. If "they have the half": 61 x 2 = 122)


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23/03/2020 5:18 pm  
Posted by: @duck

@behemoth

Thanks for your analysis. There's another thread now for QBL analysis of the virus:

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/magick/investigating-gematria/#post-105180

 

Have a look and see if any of it lines up with your own findings.

 

(p.s. If "they have the half": 61 x 2 = 122)

 

I just noticed I made a mistake adding the numbers up, so there goes the Pluto gematria. At least the spelling is right. I am not too accurate with the numbers (even though I study computer science) so that probably makes me a lousy qabalist.

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23/03/2020 9:33 pm  

Boris (finally) locks down UK.

New cases in Italy decline two days in a row, and the increase in the death rate there slowed, and was the smallest day-to-day increase in the death rate in four days.

NYC now the global epicenter of the pandemic; more restrictions on being in public being rolled out; military setting up a field hospital in the City.

The rate of increase in the rate at which shit is getting worse daily may have moderated an iota, but shit is getting worse daily.

So far so good here. We are probably eating even better than usual, since there is nothing much to do all day but cook until the weather gets better enough for garden labor to be pleasant. Which will be soon with all the nuttiness lately. Spring birds never fail as an omen.


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23/03/2020 10:29 pm  

@shiva

 

I've got it!

 

META!

 

Right?!

 

😊

 

@ignant666

Posted by: @ignant666

The rate of increase in the rate at which shit is getting worse daily may have moderated an iota, but shit is getting worse daily.

I have been told I am generally an optimist, even though I don't feel that way, but I think the US while slower than they should be, is doing far better than the UK in staying at home.  At least judging from my perch here in CO the parking lot of my complex is constantly full, maybe with one space empty, all day, every day.  People only seem to be leaving to get groceries or to go for walks.

When we are out on walks we stay far more than 6ft away from people, and i see no groups larger than 2. 

If you asked my honest opinion this will be improving, slowing down etc in the US in about a month.  Considering people keep doing what they are doing. 

 

I am in a more affluent area and I know other cities and states may not be adhering as here but I still think it has sunk in this week. 

 


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23/03/2020 10:31 pm  

PS My wife decided to keep working. To mitigate risk I am picking her up and dropping her off, no more bus.  I guess it was a very temporary gnosis. 

She eats lunch outdoors and alone, and only sees the same 3 people daily.  It's a skin clinic that does treat cancer patients for excisions so it is somewhat necessary.  They cut one day out of their schedule each week and will probably close in...2 weeks just due to no one coming in though. 


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24/03/2020 12:28 am  
Posted by: @behemoth

I just noticed I made a mistake adding the numbers up

The number 122 is still a relevant finding. As well as being 61 x 2, in Sephiroth ha-D'borim its "Evil possessing spirit". I haven't got anything meaningful from "141" but you might.


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24/03/2020 12:56 pm  
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Posted by: @behemoth

I just noticed I made a mistake adding the numbers up

The number 122 is still a relevant finding. As well as being 61 x 2, in Sephiroth ha-D'borim its "Evil possessing spirit". I haven't got anything meaningful from "141" but you might.

He definitely will do, because numerologists always do, every time. It doesn't matter what the number is, they will "reduce it" to some other number, and then assign a meaning to the new number.


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24/03/2020 2:25 pm  
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Posted by: @duck
Posted by: @behemoth

I just noticed I made a mistake adding the numbers up

The number 122 is still a relevant finding. As well as being 61 x 2, in Sephiroth ha-D'borim its "Evil possessing spirit". I haven't got anything meaningful from "141" but you might.

He definitely will do, because numerologists always do, every time. It doesn't matter what the number is, they will "reduce it" to some other number, and then assign a meaning to the new number.

 

 

One of my favorite scenes is from the movie Pi where Maximillian Cohen (Sean Gullette) insists to his mentor Sol Robeson (Mark Margolis) that the answer to everything has something to do with the number 216.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138704/

 

The scene, having perfect ending with Sol losing his temper with Max and in the end accusing him of having become a numerologist:

 

"As soon as you discard scientific rigor, you are no longer a mathematician, you are a numerologist!"

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1IzNKIHhp0

 

 

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24/03/2020 3:22 pm  

@Behemoth

Great soundtrack too.  The Fountain was also good I thought.  I wonder if Aronofsky is a Qabalist of sorts. 

Apparently someone think he made a Qabalah trilogy

https://www.danielmolerweb.com/post/2017/09/13/aronofskys-qabalah-film-trilogy#!

Never knew about 'Noah'

 

Speaking of COVID-19

This GA man pretty much had to beg his doctor on deaths-bed for choloroquine since it hasn't had trials and it saved his life:

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/a-man-with-coronavirus-who-works-in-la-says-the-drug-used-to-treat-malaria-saved-his-life

 

Yes I know it's Fox lol.  I was searching for Atlanta 'lock-downs' for work and it came up first.  Well back to it. 


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24/03/2020 6:34 pm  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

He definitely will do, because numerologists always do, every time. It doesn't matter what the number is, they will "reduce it" to some other number, and then assign a meaning to the new number.

Well, he did admit that he may be "a lousy qabalist". I'm more likely to trust a lousy qabalist who can admit when he's made a mistake and can learn from it, than one who thinks he knows it all. 🙂 

Posted by: @behemoth

something to do with the number 216

Been a long time since I saw that one, maybe 20 years. I'll have to watch it again. A good choice of scene. I don't pretend any of this is "real science", but trying to keep at least a bit of "scientific rigor" is important so others can understand what we're getting at. If they are able to understand, then they can decide if what is being said is BS or not. 🙂 

216 is the cube of 6 (6 x 6 x 6, so can be seen as a "disguised" form of 666).


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24/03/2020 7:23 pm  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

He definitely will do, because numerologists always do, every time. It doesn't matter what the number is, they will "reduce it" to some other number, and then assign a meaning to the new number.

Duck replies ... Well, he did admit that he may be "a lousy qabalist".

I work with 3 systems: (1) QBL, with numbers running from 1 to 10,000+. This is usually called Qabalah, and its adherents are known as Qabalists. There is NO reduction or reducing, and every Qabalist does NOT reduce numbers every time.

(2) ATU, with numbers running from 1 to 22. This is usually called Numerology, and its adherents are known as Numerologists. There is ALWAYS reduction or reducing, to a number between 1 and 22, and every 1-22 Numerologist ALWAYS reduce numbers every time to fall in the 1-22 range.

(3)  KABALARIAN, with numbers running from 1 to 9. This is also called Numerology, and its adherents are known as Numerologists. There is ALWAYS reduction or reducing, to a number between 1 and 9, and every 1-9 Numerologist ALWAYS reduce numbers every time to fall in the 1-9 range.

(4) NOTE: This is a Coronavirus thread, and the bean-counters are filling the airways as they attempt to split a hair or two over numbers. QBL is a tool to order the mind (in any of its manifestations). It will not solve the pandemic.

Posted by: @duck

216 is the cube of 6 (6 x 6 x 6, so can be seen as a "disguised" form of 666).

This is a reminder to stay 6 feet (2m) away from other humans.

 


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24/03/2020 7:57 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

This is a Coronavirus thread, and the bean-counters are filling the airways as they attempt to split a hair or two over numbers

Well, this is the limitation of the traditional forum format, it all scrolls down vertically whereas ideally it could branch out horizontally and somehow push all the "nonsense" into threads where it belongs (I don't know of any solutions to this though whoever is in charge is welcome to move all this QBL stuff to the other thread).

Posted by: @shiva

QBL is a tool to order the mind (in any of its manifestations). It will not solve the pandemic.

That's one view on it, some may think that it can be used to cast "spells" and other such "nonsense" (who knows, "intentionality" does seem to have an effect on things).

Posted by: @shiva

This is a reminder to stay 6 feet (2m) away from other humans.

But I always did that anyway. 😟 🙂 


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24/03/2020 10:55 pm  

Belgium a week ahead of the UK as police there are patrolling the streets and handing out fines and official warnings to the aimless. 

 

For some god-damned dumb reason the London tubes are still full. 

 

Trump and Pence thus far have been doing a good job of reassurance...until today... when Trump was talking about relaxing the restrictions by Easter. 

 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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25/03/2020 12:12 am  

maybe the higher ups in the UK haven't gotten around to unloading their stocks yet.


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25/03/2020 12:52 am  
Posted by: @dom

 

For some god-damned dumb reason the London tubes are still full. 

How blasphemical of your oral aperture. NY Mayor told everyone to stay home. The next 2 days the tubes have been filled. Lemmings. Call the Pied Piper. As I remember the tale, Pied fluted all rats in groups of three or more right up to, and over, the edge of the Abyss.

There is intense division hither healthward. Stay Home versus Watch the Economy Crash. This division exists at .gov levels and in the individual. With NY now the blossoming epicenter of the natdemic (National US Pandemoneum), people must really be desperate to get to work. No 6 feet (2m) space in the tubes.

Posted by: @tiger

maybe the higher ups in the UK haven't gotten around to unloading their stocks yet.

An astute observational question, far surpassing your customary esoteric occultism of what you mean.

 


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25/03/2020 1:56 am  

Actually, from what i've seen/heard, the NYC subway has been deserted, pretty much construction workers, healthcare workers, etc. and eerily empty; they are cutting service back because of lack of demand. There isn't any work for most people to go to with pretty much anything that involves human contact shut down.

Also, anyone dumping stocks right now is at least a month too late; it may be better to use the share certificates to replace scarce toilet paper until a Fed bailout occurs.

US pols were selling (and giving out what they knew was false happy-talk) in January/February. 4 Republican Senators and one nominal Democrat caught so far.

Trump, against all scientific advice, wants "to be open" by Easter, to save the economy. Listening to Fox, and his idiot son-in-law, again, who don't seem to have considered that a million people dying in a month shortly after he does that might have economic effects.


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25/03/2020 9:54 am  

Re the number synchs ;

 

https://www.worldometers.info/languages/how-many-letters-alphabet/

 

 

Add up letters in the word 'CORONA' = 66

A=1

B=2 

C=3  so on

and  the word itself CORONA has 6 letters

 

That's 666

 

@ignant666

There might be a Republican revolt where Pence looks more fit for office hah.

@shiva

There is intense division hither healthward. Stay Home versus Watch the Economy Crash. This division exists at .gov levels and in the individual.

 

Yeah exactly and all of the bad things that go with crashed economies.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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25/03/2020 5:17 pm  

Great news on the treatment front, from a doctor in NY:

 

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1260354/pg1

 

Supposedly 😉 


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25/03/2020 5:25 pm  

There are a bunch of things, in a bunch of trials that look promising. i would hold off on the enthusiasm for a little, til there as a bit more evidence. Folks are still dying like flies.

There is a desperate effort on the US right to happy-talk this away- because if things don't go well with the US economy, Trump loses the election. Take anything from such sources (eg Hannity/Fox) with a saltshaker, not a grain, of salt. Trust epidemiologists, not MDs. An MD reporting via Hannity, well.....


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25/03/2020 5:48 pm  

Well MDs are the ones treating people and the ones seeing the effects are mostly positive.  Here's more examples from France, not NY:

After six days, no patients given hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin had virus detected in swabs from the back of the nose, versus 57% of those given the malaria drug alone and 12.5% of some other patients who received neither drug.

https://www.kansas.com/news/article241441976.html

 

I do agree we all need to stay home minus necessities for at least another 3 to 4 weeks.  

 

This is not a political issue, and anyone on both sides of the aisle trying to make it so is frankly inhumane. 

 

 


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25/03/2020 6:47 pm  
Posted by: @christibrany

anyone on both sides of the aisle trying to make it so is frankly inhumane. 

If the term :"frankly inhuman" can be translated as "patently humam," I'll agree. Everybody always wants to get their dreams come true, their agenda implemented, and most folks will take any little opportunity to put some extra spin on a disastrous event if it will help them or their cause after the disaster blows away. Senators selling stocks right after their first briefing is one example.

Tho only folks who are truly "good," and will either burn karma or get past the pearly gates, are those who deal with the situation without manipulated end-results in mind. Except to save the people and kill the enemy. If some healthcare worker uses a mask, gloves, and disinfectant, that's okay ... it's just common sense.

The Angels came to me with a vision. The fiddling with numbers that result in Qabalistic significance (61, 120, 418, 666) that have shown up do indeed point a wavering finger at Horus. What we are seeing is a forced, enforced, and potential worldwide, fast shove onto every individual to rely on themselves.

If the Aeon of Horus is staffed with self-reliant individuals, who are the primary unit of their society, then a big step towards that (goal) is now shoving hard.

 


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25/03/2020 7:01 pm  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

He definitely will do, because numerologists always do, every time. It doesn't matter what the number is, they will "reduce it" to some other number, and then assign a meaning to the new number.

This is a somewhat sweeping statement, as one charwoman said to another.

I'm very interested in gematria, have been for many years now, and use it a lot. I've never reduced a number in my life, and have no plans so to do.

Had you said some or many or even most then that may well have cut the mustard. As it is, you need to take yourself to the naughty step.

 


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25/03/2020 7:05 pm  
Posted by: @dom

For some god-damned dumb reason the London tubes are still full.

My tubes are currently empty, though the next cup or two of tea may change that.


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25/03/2020 7:51 pm  

@michael-staley

 

What kind of tea, pray-tell? 

 


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25/03/2020 7:51 pm  

Thanks for the light relief there Michael.

Spain is struggling pretty bad with the massive influx of new patients.  Their police are using drones presumably to record car licence plates and more.   The Ministry of the Interior wants to hand out fines of 600,000 euros and/or 1 year prison sentence for the non-complaint.  Meanwhile today in the UK i am seeing some <ahem> citizens walking past each other in the streets.  

 

American health care isn't free.  Is this virus-crisis going to produce vast health- bills or have the government got that covered?

 

Oh, and could someone put David Icke in a dungeon?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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25/03/2020 8:56 pm  
Posted by: @dom

i am seeing some <ahem> citizens walking past each other in the streets.  

At a distance of 2m+, or closer?


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25/03/2020 9:00 pm  
Posted by: @shiva
Posted by: @dom

i am seeing some <ahem> citizens walking past each other in the streets.  

At a distance of 2m+, or closer?

 

3 inches of each other.

Ok, the motorways are quite scarce at night but it's negated by the above.

By the way you said;

 that have shown up do indeed point a wavering finger at Horus. What we are seeing is a forced, enforced, and potential worldwide, fast shove onto every individual to rely on themselves.

The real important warriors are the ones at the frontline, not just health staff but people who work e.g.  in shops, statistically they are more likely to be exposed to the virus. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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25/03/2020 9:18 pm  

@Dom

 

For sure.

My wife's sister is the manager of a supermarket in Portugal and I really hope she stays okay. 


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25/03/2020 9:28 pm  

So very very true, doctors, nurses, et al. get (deservedly) lots of credit, but the teenage girls ringing up my groceries are heroic too.


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25/03/2020 11:52 pm  

The Internet Archive has created the National Emergency Library, making more than a million ebooks available for 10 days' borrowing with no waiting periods, due to the COV-19 emergency.

Many textbooks and scientific texta are available, and enough mystery stories to keep me occupied if this lockdown lasts a year.

And a few items of interest to folks here, including the Sutin bio, The Qablah of AC, King's Magickal world of ..., Skinner's Diaries of the Beast 666, Moonchild, AL, MITP. Didn't search on any other occult authors' names yet, but i'm sure there's plenty more.

https://archive.org/details/nationalemergencylibrary?and%5B%5D=crowley%2C+aleister&sin=


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26/03/2020 1:47 am  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

He definitely will do, because numerologists always do, every time. It doesn't matter what the number is, they will "reduce it" to some other number, and then assign a meaning to the new number

“Theosophical Reduction” (as it was called when I first encountered it) was part and parcel of the Art & Science of Gematria. I've used it ever since. There seems to be the scoffing idea that number noodling Numerologists will just reduce their way into any answer they wish find. I don't deny that this can happen. I've done it myself and call it “forcing a fit.” Crowley did it, also. What happens is we look back and find that we contorted the hell out of things to make our theory work. It looks terrible and awkward. We see this in Crowley's attempt to make Aiwass = 93 when there was already a profound connection staring him in the face.

 

HOWEVER (!), reduction may be profitably used for the same purpose of straight up Letter to Number Gematria itself. Kenneth Grant declared that there was no absolute objective relationship between numbers and letters! The relationship that we find is a based in an agreed upon approach (which is our “game” of Gematria and whatever rules that may entail).

 

ANY system may be helpful-but there are systems we share as a “common language.” We have Crowley making appeal to this in his writings time and again. It is a language. I may create my own language, known to me and me only. But it won't serve me if I wish to express or demonstrate anything to any of you.

 

Reduction is something of a ”second opinion” which may yield insight. However, if we are in denial of a first clear diagnosis, we may misuse the technique. Ultimately, reduction should RELATE TO the initial number-not contradict or sidestep it.

 

I see Gematria as water running down a hill, seeking its level. The path flows this way and that...for it is flowing through the Mind. Ultimately, there is a Eureka moment where an important connection is made in the mind of the Magi. It is a very useful connection in context of the Great Work. It may even be demonstrated to others in a way that is helpful to their own circumstance on the Royal Road. Reduction is an Art-Form and Scientific Method within the Art-Form and Scientific Method.


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27/03/2020 12:31 am  

3.3 million Americans applying for welfare, apparently unprecedented. 

 

British police are stopping drivers and asking where they are going and where they have been. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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27/03/2020 1:58 am  
Posted by: @dom

British police are stopping drivers and asking where they are going and where they have been.

Shopping for drugs?  The legal sort, of course.

(Not meth.)

N Joy


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