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08/02/2014 2:18 pm  

I'm sure you've noticed the trend in modern man (middle aged balding man, that is) and his desire to completely shave and crop his dishevelled hair?  I never saw this in the 80s or 70s.  School teacgers would comb their hair over in shame and be subject to ridicule from oiks.  Well,  Crowley, balding,  got there decades ago.  The only shaven headed men before the 1990s were either criminal bank-robbing types, Buddhist monks, cancer victims, eccentric Uncle Fester types or Bond villains.


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08/02/2014 2:54 pm  

LaVey did it in 1966 to appear diabolical, so there must have already been a diabolical association, perhaps reaching into the late 19th century. Max Schreck as Nosferatu had it... I do wonder when it started, and exactly what inspired Crowley to do it, if we can find out. What shaven heads are there in literature before 1910?


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08/02/2014 4:28 pm  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gurdjieff

A Challenger Appears!


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08/02/2014 6:33 pm  

It is probably something that is imported from the East, for example (from Wikipedia):

"In Hindu tradition, the hair from birth is associated with undesirable traits from past lives. Thus at the time of the mundan, the child is freshly shaven to signify freedom from the past and moving into the future. It is also said that the shaving of the hair stimulates proper growth of the brain and nerves, and that the sikha, a tuft at the crown of the head, protects the memory.[2]"

"Hindus practice a variety of rituals from birth to death. Collectively these are known as saṃskāras, meaning rites of purification, and are believed to make the body pure and fit for worship. A boy's first haircut, known as choula, is one such samskara and is considered an event of great auspiciousness. The lawbooks or smritis prescribe that a boy must have his haircut in his first or third year. While complete tonsure is common, some Hindus prefer to leave some hair on the head, distinguishing this rite from the inauspicious tonsure that occurs upon the death of a parent. Those that practice complete tonsure generally ritually offer the hair to their family deity. Many travel to temples such as the famed Tirumala Venkateswara Temple of Lord Vishnu to perform this ceremony."

Also makes me think of pirates, men of the world... people who have sailed to and experienced the East!

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08/02/2014 6:44 pm  

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yay my photobucket image worked.  Gurdjieff as challenger; hilarious  🙂

Seriously though middle-aged male baldness has caused men a lot of grief in the twentieth century and shaving it all off is a great practical solution.


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08/02/2014 7:09 pm  
"david" wrote:
Seriously though middle-aged male baldness has caused men a lot of grief in the twentieth century and shaving it all off is a great practical solution.

Quite agree, if I ever suffer with thinning hair you won't find me brushing over a thin wisp of hair... shaving it all off is a much better solution.

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"Hamal" wrote:
"david" wrote:
Seriously though middle-aged male baldness has caused men a lot of grief in the twentieth century and shaving it all off is a great practical solution.

Quite agree, if I ever suffer with thinning hair you won't find me brushing over a thin wisp of hair... shaving it all off is a much better solution.

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Yeah and it was always considered "lower class" before so e.g. schoolteachers with comb- overs were the but of jokes.  You will now see shaven heads in all walks of life.  Crowley did out of healthy vanity.  He knew his hair had balding patches.  It has nothing to do with Buddhism as someone stated above otherwise he would've started shaving it in Rangoon and the subsequent years .


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08/02/2014 10:25 pm  

If I were planning a magickal retreat lasting a few months or more I would probably shave my head at the start. It's symbolic of new beginnings and practical on many levels and marks a separating between who you were and your old life and your new becoming. I think this kind of thing is reflected in things like Buddhism and Hinduism but not exclusively.

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08/02/2014 11:02 pm  

Did that shaven look before for around six months. Only because,  I hadn't done it before. It definitely,  gives you a different outlook on how people interact with you.

A valuable experiment,  if nothing else. Image for evidence below.


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09/02/2014 12:17 am  
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Did that shaven look before for around six months. Only because,  I hadn't done it before. It definitely,  gives you a different outlook on how people interact with you.

Definitely gave you that convicted criminal look Paul!  😀 Yes, people make a lot of assumptions about people based on their appearance and I'm sure you observed a variety of reactions. I think it's much more accepted as normal nowadays though. I think its one of those things people often want to try also, like growing a moustache or beard... maybe it's a MAN thing!  😀

The moustache thing did me no favours when I tried it for charity, exhibit A:

The moustache is gone now and I've lost a couple of stone thankfully!

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09/02/2014 1:05 am  
"david" wrote:
Crowley did out of healthy vanity.  He knew his hair had balding patches.  It has nothing to do with Buddhism as someone stated above otherwise he would've started shaving it in Rangoon and the subsequent years .

That's an extremely astute and sensible observation! Indeed, I can see Crowley shaving his head for aesthetic reasons and post factum stating esoteric purposes, such as becoming more receptive of divine energy, etc.

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09/02/2014 1:45 am  

kept my head shaved for a decade - saved a bundle on barbers and hair products. and that meant more cash for crowley books!

http://www.theguardian.com/science/poll/2012/oct/04/bald-men-more-powerful


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09/02/2014 10:23 am  

I remember reading somewhere in the Crowley corpus that having a shaven head gave him a special vitality and awareness. My father sobbed once when i came home with a shaven noggin, i have the appearance of a nutter at the best of times.  😀

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09/02/2014 10:37 am  

I've shaved it periodically throughout my life, first time at age 15 in 1982 (eyebrows too, it was atrocious - the principal of my high school, a Mormon, wanted to suspend me - nobody had done anything like that before. Perhaps it was also the Bible burning I performed in a classroom...).

Now I'm thinning on top, but not enough to shave it permanently. It's maddening, I really want to. And I have this awful mole on the top of my head. Not a terribly beautiful cranium.


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09/02/2014 1:52 pm  

Selfie with a Polaroid, Calgary, 1982


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09/02/2014 2:51 pm  

Perfect t-shirt to accompany a bald head...

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09/02/2014 8:18 pm  

I for one look hideous with a shaved head. as evidenced in this now and before picture. goofy expression notwithstanding :p

never again shall mine head be shaved. lest i be cast down into the pit of because.


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09/02/2014 8:52 pm  

LOL! Bunch of weirdo's the lot of us!

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09/02/2014 10:55 pm  
"belmurru" wrote:
I've shaved it periodically throughout my life, first time at age 15 in 1982 (eyebrows too, it was atrocious - the principal of my high school, a Mormon, wanted to suspend me - nobody had done anything like that before. Perhaps it was also the Bible burning I performed in a classroom...).

Now I'm thinning on top, but not enough to shave it permanently. It's maddening, I really want to. And I have this awful mole on the top of my head. Not a terribly beautiful cranium.

Back in the early 80s the headmaster (xtian pathological bigot) assembled the entire school to lecture us on how a pupil, made to stand beside him (admittedly, equally insane ) had debased himself by having his head shaven. 

That aside, there's the Nazi association, no doubt a puritanical disequilibrium of severity.  Also a form of oppression by victims of Nazis in German prison camps.  I'm sure that various establishments ensured their convicts (e.g. bound for Australasian penal colonies) endured head-shaving for hygiene purposes.


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09/02/2014 11:15 pm  
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Back in the early 80s the headmaster (xtian pathological bigot) assembled the entire school to lecture us on how a pupil, made to stand beside him (admittedly, equally insane ) had debased himself by having his head shaven. 

Wow. Treating a student that way, anywhere, would never be tolerated today. Like many here, I was still subject to "the belt" (on the hands) when I was in the UK, 77-79. It had been outlawed in North America before that, I'm not sure when, and was probably outlawed in the 80s in the UK.

Of course shaving someone's head as a form of punishment throughout history. I can easily find references from the Inquisition up to collaborators after liberation in WWII.

That aside, there's the Nazi association, no doubt a puritanical disequilibrium of severity.  Also a form of oppression by victims of Nazis in German prison camps.  I'm sure that various establishments ensured their convicts (e.g. bound for Australasian penal colonies) endured head-shaving for hygiene purposes.

In my teenage shaven-head years, it was the skinhead association most people thought of - nobody knew LaVey or Crowley. I had nothing to do with skinheads, never even knew any or saw any in Calgary. But I think the "hygiene" thing is deep rooted, "archetypal" in a way - "Mr. Clean", what you see is what you get. Hair is dirty, it hides things, it can look bad. A bald or shaven head is just what it is, no hiding anything. It is clean and easy.

It's as if the 1970s were the flowering of bohemia, now everybody is shaved everywhere. We think the Victorians, gloriously hairy, were uptight, but we are all close-cropped now. Now that I think of it, didn't Crowley illustrate something in the Fatherland or International of Max Bohm (?) where he had a shaved head? AC already did, but there must have been some "type" of the shaven headed man around. Surely Crowley didn't invent the motif.

There is also the Egyptian idea; they shaved for hygiene and wigs. Perhaps Crowley found it convenient for playing different roles.


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09/02/2014 11:25 pm  

Picking up on the association of shaved heads with criminality and an earlier reference to Buddhism. It also seems to fit in nicely with Buddhists wearing the colour orange which was the color of criminals and social outcasts. I understand Buddhists would wear it to identify themselves as no longer part of society.

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Wow. Treating a student that way, anywhere, would never be tolerated today. Like many here, I was still subject to "the belt" (on the hands) when I was in the UK, 77-79. It had been outlawed in North America before that, I'm not sure when, and was probably outlawed in the 80s in the UK.

I didn't know such punishments were outlawed in the US, as I had been struck multiple times throughout my school days with objects ranging from rulers to a large paddle.  In the early 90's I attended a private christian school during my early elementary education.  Here, there was a very mean old Latin American lady that taught Spanish.  On more than one occasion, she struck me on the hand with a ruler for making a mistake.  Though, after I told my parents about this, they raised some hell to the Headmaster then I was taken out of her class and allowed to roam around the school during that period.  Years later (mid to late 90's) while in junior high, I was paddled (for fighting) on my ass with a rather mean looking two handed paddle that resembled a "bat" that is used in Cricket with holes drilled in it.  My younger brother was even paddled multiple times during high-school (in the 2000's).  Though, I do live in the Deep South, and some people here are rather fuckin' "backwards" and just plain ignorant.  Perhaps, this outlawing of such punishments is a state thing, not nationwide.  Or maybe you are referring to only an outlawing of just a belt being used.  At any rate, in my book it's not okay for children to be physically abused, in any way, as punishment by anyone.  This includes schoolteachers/principals/coaches etc. as well as parents.  Such violence only begets more violence, and there are more effective ways to reprimand children.

However, I'm no tree hugging hippie pacifist!  I have no qualms about beating the piss out of or even shooting someone, if need be, in self-defense.  I have an Ak-47 with a 100 round drum full of Russian exploding tip hollow point rounds for anyone who dares to come harm me and mine!  ;D


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10/02/2014 2:59 am  

93!

I would never, ever,  shave my head---unless I had the best three piece suits to accompany it!

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10/02/2014 8:32 am  

I wonder if A.C. was inspired to baldness by the following passages in the Bible:

In Leviticus 21:5 "They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in the flesh." and the Nazirite law in Numbers 6:5 "All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the Lord, he shall be holy, and shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow." and similar passages such as Judges 16:17, 1 Samuel 1:11, and Ezekiel 44:20, etc

After he assumed is role as The Beast, maybe he shaved his head as a deliberate (and even "magickal") act of disobedience.  As an Antinomian act.  A physical manifestation of the only Law in the New Aeon: Do what thou wilt.  Like he's a walking, talking "fuck you" to the Old Aeon, in particular, and the spiritual slavery of Christianity, in general.  Blasphemy by Baldness!?!

Perhaps the monks turned him onto it when he visited Allen Bennett?

What if he shaved his head simply for hygenic reasons after his mountain climbing expeditions?

Or maybe, one day while really high from injecting heroin and cocaine all day, A.C. was sweating profusely, so he shaved his head?  I'd imagine that a proper speedball would make one hot as all hell.  I say "imagine" as I've never done a "proper" one myself, but I have some experience with pharmaceutical speedball sweats.  I was, at one time, prescribed both Vicodin (hydrocodone) by a GP for chronic lower back pain, and Adderall (amphetamine salts) by a Psych. doc for ADD. for close to two years.  Just for clarification, I'm no "dopefiend".  In fact, I decided to quit taking the Adderall, after being prescribed it for quite a few years longer than my pain meds, because I was tired of the paranoia, which began to override my previous "fuck it, they (the man) can't hassle me, because I have prescriptions for my drugs" attitude after a run-in with "the man" showed me that "the man" could, and, would hassle me if he felt like it, because he believed that he was,indeed, "the man". (An Officer who "coincidentally" had it in for my father because the two got into a dispute, which resulted in the Police Chief telling the Officer to "Leave him alone.  You better quit hassling him, because HE, WILL, SHOOT YOU." So this Officer went after me instead.)  We'll call him: "Mr. Johnny Lawman", insisted that he thought I couldn't handle my shit and gave me a DUI AFTER my own doc told him I was not "impaired", so there's no need to arrest me, and to just let me go home.  To which the Officer Asshole or whatever his name was replied: "We don't care we're taking him to jail, anyway."  Entirely unfair and a downright injustice, I say!  However, there is a happy ending to this (100%, I give my Word) true tale of high adventure in the Deep South...I don't have this arrest on my Record!  The damn dirty stinking pig failed!  He tried to soil my Record, but I came out squeaky clean and smelling like a rose!  I never lost my drivers licence (or my sense of humour) even after I was pulled over, again, one afternoon not long after by another Officer that "wanted to see if I was driving without a licence", searches me, finds my bottle of Vicodin 10mg in my pocket, but can't do shit but hand it back after he asks "How many have you had today?" and I replied "So far, two, sir.  Just like I'm supposed to."  Then I grinned and gave a nod of thanks when he says "Alright, sir.  You can go on your way.  And they got $0 out of me when all was said and done.  Nope, no cheddar from me!  Remember folks: "Do not feed the pigs" (unless, of course, that's the only way to get away!) Who's "the man" now?!?  "Fuckin' dirty coppa'" as Tony Soprano would say!  As Jessie Pinkman says "Yeah, bitch!"....and, finally, as Light Yagami (my anime Avatar over there) says grinning daemonically with eyes aglow "I Win!".  8) But, I digress.   

Whatever the case may be, I suspect we'll never know exactly "Why?" (We shouldn't stop and ask why, anyway. of course!) but it's fun for us to speculate!  ;D  This thread may seem ridiculous to some members and visitors of lashtal, but, personally, I've been delighted by everyone's humor, and I think we need a bit of levity and comedic relief here every now and again to balance out all of the serious discussions in most threads! 😛

P.S. WTF, fellas!?!  Some of you guys have your real names, somewhere, in your posts, and posted a picture of yourselves, here?!?  Don't y'all remember....Los informed us that there's some "loony magicians" lurking about lashtal-land? 😉 I dunno if y'all are brave or stupid!  Or, maybe I'm just being paranoid!?! 😉  As Shiva said: "You're not paranoid when they really are out to get you!"  ;D

HAHAH!  Ahem, my apologies.  I got a little carried away there.  I couldn't help but to giggle the whole time of been reading and posting this goofyness, the most delightfully silly thread I've seen, in a long time! I sure am glad this was moved to "stuff"!  Thanks, Paul! ;D

P.S No offence meant to anyone here who works in law enforcement!  Instead of posting a funny looking selfie like the other's, I began my post in all seriousness, but as I laughed at this thread and typed the post, it transmuted into this: a funny (because it's true) post about what happened One Day in the Night of Pan!  Well,  I think it's funny, anyway.  Maybe, Shiva, will get a kick out of my "sticking it to the man"! 😛


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10/02/2014 8:58 am  

I like your story, N.O.X. I'm glad Paul moved it too; I do think we need a place to get frivolous and let our personalities shine.

But there is a serious subject on this thread, or at least a Crowley-related one. I remember reading recently, in our discussions about the girl who killed herself and which Crowley alluded to later when he drew an "astral T" on her door, that this girl used to run her fingers through his hair in the office of the Equinox. This was during the time of the Rites of Eleusis. So, unless that "hair" was a wig, this anecdote would give a terminus post quem for when he shaved it, and with that some constraints on the documentation we need to look at to find, if possible, the reason behind it.


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"N.O.X" wrote:
I wonder if A.C. was inspired to baldness by the following passages in the Bible:

In Leviticus 21:5 "They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in the flesh." and the Nazirite law in Numbers 6:5 "All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the Lord, he shall be holy, and shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow." and similar passages such as Judges 16:17, 1 Samuel 1:11, and Ezekiel 44:20, etc

After he assumed is role as The Beast, maybe he shaved his head as a deliberate (and even "magickal") act of disobedience.  As an Antinomian act.  A physical manifestation of the only Law in the New Aeon: Do what thou wilt.  Like he's a walking, talking "fuck you" to the Old Aeon, in particular, and the spiritual slavery of Christianity, in general.  Blasphemy by Baldness!?!

No, he just found that he couldn't any chicks any more with bald patches, couldn't bring himself to wear a wig so he had it shaven off.


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"N.O.X" wrote:
However, I'm no tree hugging hippie pacifist!  I have no qualms about beating the piss out of or even shooting someone, if need be, in self-defense.  I have an Ak-47 with a 100 round drum full of Russian exploding tip hollow point rounds for anyone who dares to come harm me and mine!  ;D

This corporal punishment issue needs a whole new thread.  Moral decay in Britain has an inverse proportional relationship to the demise of school corporal punishment.  I define the term, "moral decay" as basic practical respect and civil behaviour. You wouldn't believe the crime levels in the UK in the past 25 years, particularly amongst teenagers. 


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10/02/2014 1:21 pm  

N.O.X your post was a delight to read and I whole-heartedly concur with your comments about needing space for frivolity. Out of this shared frivolity comes a sense of comradeship I feel and that can only be good for Lashtal and us. Some delightful posts in this thread, and whilst not overly serious we are still picking out potentially relevant information.

Maybe there was some bold film villain or other character, we do know he watched films, that Crowley saw that inspired his baldness. I suspect he saw a fair few bold heads when travelling across China. I suspect a contributory reason, whatever else spurred on his baldness, would simply be to look different, perhaps as if he might come from somewhere else.

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10/02/2014 2:42 pm  

1902

On February 13, 1902 Aleister Crowley, with recently shaved head, arrived in Kandy, Burma on this date to look up his old friend, Allan Bennett. Besides learning about laudanum Crowley also bought over twenty five pipes of opium and smoked such with absolutely no results. But like a true scientist he continued his experiments and realized his problem. His solution was simply; he wasn’t inhaling. He admits after this realization that he began to enjoy the pleasures of the drug.

From http://www.cornelius93.com/Epistle-BeastlyLifeofAleisterCrowley.html

There is little or no physical suffering involved in sudden stoppage as there is in the case of opium and its derivatives. I wanted to wean him from the drug by taking his mind off his mother and her machinations, his wife and her wondrousness, his children and their charm; I wanted to fill his consciousness with unfamiliar sights and sounds, with actual adventures and with the physical preoccupation of the day's march.
Unfortunately, we arrived in Tangiers at a moment of political crisis. The sultan had just come to smash and even the journey to Fez was unsafe. Not that we should have cared: Coke was as brave as a lion about everything outside his dam and her devices; but the authorities would not hear of our leaving the city --- even the environs were beset by banditti. It was a great nuisance, especially as I had got ready for the desert by shaving my head and getting into my Eastern clothes. However, I consoled myself by making excursions after dark into the suburbs and courting all adventures that might come my way. I had in fact a perfectly gorgeous time.

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"N.O.X" wrote:
However, I'm no tree hugging hippie pacifist!  I have no qualms about beating the piss out of or even shooting someone, if need be, in self-defense.  I have an Ak-47 with a 100 round drum full of Russian exploding tip hollow point rounds for anyone who dares to come harm me and mine!  ;D

This corporal punishment issue needs a whole new thread.  Moral decay in Britain has an inverse proportional relationship to the demise of school corporal punishment.  I define the term, "moral decay" as basic practical respect and civil behaviour. You wouldn't believe the crime levels in the UK in the past 25 years, particularly amongst teenagers. 

Well, you can start a thread on that, and I'd participate.  It seems that you quoted the wrong section of my post.  The part you quoted is my opinion on violence, in particular, adult on adult violence.  In general, I'm fine with that.  I'm definitely not a "turn the other cheek" type of guy.  Especially, since my back was injured some years ago when someone pushed me off a deck that was well over 10 ft.  off the ground.  I will never again put up with another person putting their hands on me in an act of violence.  They may get a hit or two in, but then they will hear a couple of loud popping sounds and feel extreme burning sensations in the chest area, if they are still alive, of course.  Remember folks: ALWAYS double-tap! 

Personally, I'm against any sort of abuse to minors.  This so-called "moral decay" that you speak of, well, it is the Aeon of Horus, after all.  In regards to the apparent increase in the crime rate in the past 25 years or so.  I think it only appears to be increasing.  I'm under the impression that the crime rates have remained the same, but the increase in our communication technology enables the media to investigate and report on more crimes than before, which gives the illusion of more crime being committed. 

Not only do I think any act of violence by an adult on a defenseless little minor is utterly reprehensible.  I think there are more effective ways of punishing minors than corporal punishment at school/home.  You see, the sting of a paddling dissipates rather quickly, whereas something like a loss for an extended period of something important (like time after school or on the weekends, for example.  Or, perhaps the car keys being taken away from a teenager, and/or phone/computer.  Long term consequences will "learn' the young ones more effectively, I think, than say the short term pain from a paddling or whatever.  This is what really worked on me as a youngster.  Just my 93 cents.

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N.O.X your post was a delight to read and I whole-heartedly concur with your comments about needing space for frivolity. Out of this shared frivolity comes a sense of comradeship I feel and that can only be good for Lashtal and us. Some delightful posts in this thread, and whilst not overly serious we are still picking out potentially relevant information.

I'm glad you liked my story.  That cop literally went after me, because the Police Chief told him to leave my dad alone.  He waited for me, on the next street over, to leave my house, then pulled me over for no reason.  I was breaking any traffic laws.  I think it's fuckin' hilarious that the dirty pig tried to permanently stain my Record with a DUI (Driving Under the Influence of controlled substances, as in my two prescribed drugs mentioned above).  He charged me with a Felony DUI, mind you.  In the end his effort was useless, as I ended up losing nothing of any consequence, only one night the holding cell!  ;D

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1902

On February 13, 1902 Aleister Crowley, with recently shaved head, arrived in Kandy, Burma on this date to look up his old friend, Allan Bennett. Besides learning about laudanum Crowley also bought over twenty five pipes of opium and smoked such with absolutely no results. But like a true scientist he continued his experiments and realized his problem. His solution was simply; he wasn’t inhaling. He admits after this realization that he began to enjoy the pleasures of the drug.

From http://www.cornelius93.com/Epistle-BeastlyLifeofAleisterCrowley.html

There is little or no physical suffering involved in sudden stoppage as there is in the case of opium and its derivatives. I wanted to wean him from the drug by taking his mind off his mother and her machinations, his wife and her wondrousness, his children and their charm; I wanted to fill his consciousness with unfamiliar sights and sounds, with actual adventures and with the physical preoccupation of the day's march.
Unfortunately, we arrived in Tangiers at a moment of political crisis. The sultan had just come to smash and even the journey to Fez was unsafe. Not that we should have cared: Coke was as brave as a lion about everything outside his dam and her devices; but the authorities would not hear of our leaving the city --- even the environs were beset by banditti. It was a great nuisance, especially as I had got ready for the desert by shaving my head and getting into my Eastern clothes. However, I consoled myself by making excursions after dark into the suburbs and courting all adventures that might come my way. I had in fact a perfectly gorgeous time.

http://www.beyondweird.com/crowley/liber/confess/chapter61.html

Ah, interesting!  Thanks, ptoner!


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10/02/2014 3:45 pm  
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That cop literally went after me, because the Police Chief told him to leave my dad alone.  He waited for me, on the next street over, to leave my house, then pulled me over for no reason.  I was breaking any traffic laws. 

Er, that should read "He waited, on the next street over, for me to leave my house, and then pulled me over for no reason.  I was not breaking any traffic laws." 

I was literally less than a mile from home when he pulled me over, and if he weren't just out to "get" me, he could have escorted me back home if I was so "impaired" by my medicines.  Granted one was a CIII and the other a CII med, but it's not like I was all wasted and driving sloppy or anything.  He just wanted to get back at my dad by going after me.  Crazy crooked coppa'!

Anyway, that's enough of that.  I promise not to derail the thread anymore.  Back to the topic.....A.C.'s baldness!


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10/02/2014 4:08 pm  
"ptoner" wrote:

1902

On February 13, 1902 Aleister Crowley, with recently shaved head, arrived in Kandy, Burma on this date to look up his old friend, Allan Bennett. Besides learning about laudanum Crowley also bought over twenty five pipes of opium and smoked such with absolutely no results. But like a true scientist he continued his experiments and realized his problem. His solution was simply; he wasn’t inhaling. He admits after this realization that he began to enjoy the pleasures of the drug.

From http://www.cornelius93.com/Epistle-BeastlyLifeofAleisterCrowley.html

There is little or no physical suffering involved in sudden stoppage as there is in the case of opium and its derivatives. I wanted to wean him from the drug by taking his mind off his mother and her machinations, his wife and her wondrousness, his children and their charm; I wanted to fill his consciousness with unfamiliar sights and sounds, with actual adventures and with the physical preoccupation of the day's march.
Unfortunately, we arrived in Tangiers at a moment of political crisis. The sultan had just come to smash and even the journey to Fez was unsafe. Not that we should have cared: Coke was as brave as a lion about everything outside his dam and her devices; but the authorities would not hear of our leaving the city --- even the environs were beset by banditti. It was a great nuisance, especially as I had got ready for the desert by shaving my head and getting into my Eastern clothes. However, I consoled myself by making excursions after dark into the suburbs and courting all adventures that might come my way. I had in fact a perfectly gorgeous time.

http://www.beyondweird.com/crowley/liber/confess/chapter61.html

Bravo Ptoner! Mystery solved!

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10/02/2014 5:01 pm  

Thanks Paul.

So he had been shaving it periodically since 1902 at least. At age 26, we can't attribute it to the vanity of thinning hair, can we? He has plenty of hair in the K2 photos.


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10/02/2014 6:25 pm  

Thanks for the story nox bro 🙂
I Had heard it before from thine mouth but not so nicely described 🙂
I dont mind people knowing how i look on this forum, as long as the results dont show up on google or something -.-
The older i get the less i care about anyone's attempts at harassment etc 😉
I think corporal punishment perhaps does deserve its own thread


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10/02/2014 7:02 pm  
"christibrany" wrote:
I think corporal punishment perhaps does deserve its own thread

The naughty boys thread run by Madame Severe!  😛

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"N.O.X" wrote:

 

Personally, I'm against any sort of abuse to minors.  This so-called "moral decay" that you speak of, well, it is the Aeon of Horus, after all.  In regards to the apparent increase in the crime rate in the past 25 years or so.  I think it only appears to be increasing.  I'm under the impression that the crime rates have remained the same, but the increase in our communication technology enables the media to investigate and report on more crimes than before, which gives the illusion of more crime being committed. 

Not only do I think any act of violence by an adult on a defenseless little minor is utterly reprehensible.  I think there are more effective ways of punishing minors than corporal punishment at school/home. 

I wasn't talking about innocent, polite, quiet little "minors" who answer back.  I had in mind the teenage street gangs who rape, loot and physically intimidate.  They need a severe thrashing and this idea that these types are all fired up by Horus is BS.


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10/02/2014 7:38 pm  

Americans... they all need a damn good thrashing too!  😉

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10/02/2014 11:46 pm  
"david" wrote:
and this idea that these types are all fired up by Horus is BS.

I did not mean for what I said to suggest this, in particular.  What I meant was that "moral decay", in general, is to be expected in the Aeon of Horus.  You may not agree, and that's okay.  That "moral nihilism" is inherent in Thelema and the Aeon of Horus is one thing that Los and I agree on.

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I had in mind the teenage street gangs who rape, loot and physically intimidate.  They need a severe thrashing

These gang member types probably enjoy fighting, so I'm not sure that a severe thrashing would change the way they act in a significant and lasting way.

"Hamal" wrote:
Americans... they all need a damn good thrashing too!  😉

If "Madame Severe" is doing the thrashing, I say "bring it on, baby"!  Yeah, let's get a little blood and sweat going before we get down to the real fun....and those other "fluids" start to flow!  😉


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11/02/2014 1:37 pm  

Going Bald?  I think it’s something people (especially men) should do at least once in their lives, although I have yet to do it myself… somehow the time has never seemed quite right, so I’m afraid I won’t be joining the “rogues gallery” on that particular item!!

Wasn’t there something about a single lock of hair, the so-called “phallic forelock” involved with A.C.’s baldness?  And didn’t he have a drawing (tattoo?) of a dick and balls on his pate at some point, as illustrative of the same (see also his famous 1918 self-portrait)?

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N.O.X your post was a delight to read and I whole-heartedly concur with your comments about needing space for frivolity. Out of this shared frivolity comes a sense of comradeship I feel and that can only be good for Lashtal and us. Some delightful posts in this thread, and whilst not overly serious we are still picking out potentially relevant information.

Maybe there was some bold film villain or other character, we do know he watched films, that Crowley saw that inspired his baldness. I suspect he saw a fair few bold heads when travelling across China. I suspect a contributory reason, whatever else spurred on his baldness, would simply be to look different, perhaps as if he might come from somewhere else.

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There was Sax Rohmer’s Fu Manchu of course… although he might have had pigtails along with it?

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"jamie barter" wrote:
Wasn’t there something about a single lock of hair, the so-called “phallic forelock” involved with A.C.’s baldness?  And didn’t he have a drawing (tattoo?) of a dick and balls on his pate at some point, as illustrative of the same (see also his famous 1918 self-portrait)?

While waiting for someone to post further, I thought I would add, for richer or poorer, in falsity or in sooth, a tad morsel more related to the topic hopefully to stimulate further discussion/ reflection - courtesy as ever from that fount[-Ain] of all wisdom Wikipedia…

Like all male members of the Thelemic group Raoul had to shave his head, leaving a phallic forelock, and Betty, like the other women at the Abbey, was obliged to dye her hair red or gold to symbolise the magical energy of Horus

from The Watkins Dictionary of Magic (2005), ed. Neville Drury[/align:3cqwi80h]

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18/03/2014 1:55 pm  
"ptoner" wrote:

1902

On February 13, 1902 Aleister Crowley, with recently shaved head, arrived in Kandy, Burma on this date to look up his old friend, Allan Bennett. Besides learning about laudanum Crowley also bought over twenty five pipes of opium and smoked such with absolutely no results. But like a true scientist he continued his experiments and realized his problem. His solution was simply; he wasn’t inhaling. He admits after this realization that he began to enjoy the pleasures of the drug.

From http://www.cornelius93.com/Epistle-BeastlyLifeofAleisterCrowley.html

I'm now doubtful of this claim for his shaved head. I may have missed it, but he doesn't report shaving his head in 1902 (or 1901) in Fuller's recension of his story in "Temple of Solomon the King" (TSK) in Equinox, I,4 pp. 150-196, or in Confessions, pp. 232-255, and 270-274.

There are obvious errors in Cornelius' statement -

Kandy is in Ceylon (Sri Lanka), not in Burma (Myanmar). He and Allan went to Kandy from Colombo on 17 August, 1901 (TSK, Eq. I,4 p. 155; Confessions p. 238).

Aleister met Allan again in Akyab, Burma, on 14 February (not 13), 1902 (TSK Eq. I,4, p. 169; Confessions p. 270).

It's not impossible he shaved his head, on one of these occasions, but I can't see any evidence. His picture with the K2 party (e.g. Confessions plate 6, between pages 256-257), probably taken in April of 1902, shows more than two months' growth, it seems to me.

So, because I see no positive evidence of it, and because of the sloppy errors in the statement, I am dismissing Cornelius' report for the moment.


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Has anyone discussed the little forelock he had during mid-life? You can see this in the yoga pictures in The Equinox and in the portrait painting of Crowley in the blue Equinox. I suppose he had a hand in forming that tuft of hair, but it could also be the result of the progress of his baldness. He still had hair on the sides and back of his head.


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18/03/2014 3:27 pm  

I know of a few such images, here is another, painted in 1922 by Kramer:-


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30/04/2014 1:12 am  

            AC wrote in his Diary entry on FEBRUARY 20, 1943 -

            ".... SHAVED HEAD : BARBER TERRIFIED AS USUAL."


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