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lashtal
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28/10/2011 7:48 pm  

Well, it would be remiss of me not to mention this, unlikely though it appears: http://io9.com/5848192/giant-prehistoric-krakens-may-have-sculpted-self+portraits-using-ichthyosaur-bones

'A new theory suggests that a 100-foot-long cephalopod arranged these bones as a self-portrait after drowning the reptiles. And no, we're not talking about Cthulhu.'

Or perhaps you are…

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29/10/2011 1:22 am  

Nice! Thanks for mentioning this!


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29/10/2011 6:01 am  

author and paleontologist Catlin R Kiernan was commenting about this recently on her blog. Apparently there is no fossil record of such a cephalopod . not that there would be considering the makeup of its body.

but its a rockin' good story though and I personally hope its true 🙂


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29/10/2011 11:50 am  

Ah ! Such whimsy Mr.Grotesquely Ugly lashtal.

These paleontoligists (is that an American spelling ?), clearly have not read enough Lovecraft; for the Great Old Ones, Cephalopodic as Cthulhu may. or may not, have been, exist only in

THOSE SPACES INBETWEEN....

Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn.


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29/10/2011 12:31 pm  
"Satan'sAdvocaat" wrote:
Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn.

That's easy for you to say!

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29/10/2011 12:32 pm  

I have never seen it spelled that way
"paleontoligists?"

Amusingly Kiernan is a horror author greatly influenced by HPL. She is also a close friend of ST Joshi. She is interviewed in the superb Lovecraft: Fer of the Unknown documentary.

And yes, you have my total agreement with
Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!


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29/10/2011 8:23 pm  

Excellent.
I'll forward this to a family friend who studies modern octopuses and squid (appeared in a Cousteau film about them many, many years ago) and see what he makes of it. He's not one to underestimate their intelligence.


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29/10/2011 10:11 pm  

http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/6474/

Wow!

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29/10/2011 10:39 pm  

That second link is brilliant Paul, thanks. They certainly are fabulous beasts - their eyes are better designed than ours too, no blind spot.

Funny story: Our family friend has studied cephalopods since the 60s (and still going strong) and for a while did a lot of work on their colour-changing behaviour and how it worked. The head of the Biology Dept. where he was then working was of the opinion that the colour changes were entirely reflexive and that there could be no intentional control over them at all due to a lack of brain-power. One day he was visiting the lab and was told that he'd better have a look at something odd in the tanks - he came over to be confronted with five octopuses lined up with his name spelt out across their backs. Our friend had been rehearsing them specially for days.


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30/10/2011 12:26 am  

Wonderful article, thanks Paul!


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30/10/2011 6:13 am  

That was great, thanks for sharing, Paul!


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15/11/2011 10:34 pm  

Anything to do with Mr. Crowley?


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16/11/2011 10:27 am  
"burroughs" wrote:
Anything to do with Mr. Crowley?

Note it is posted in lashtal.com Forum Index » Community » Stuff by the owner of the site.

His house, his prerogative.

But, to put a fine point on it...
There is a tangential connection by virtue of the fact that some magicians have explored correspondences between the fictions of writers such as Lovecraft, Machen, and others; with writings of Crowley. The overlap of metafiction and magick has been a topic of interest within some circles of Thelema and on this site as well.

Therefore an amusing (if not unlikely) theory regarding an ancient self aware ephalopod does fit neatly into the "stuff" category as a fun diversion. I don't think the link is meant to be taken too seriously. Try and enjoy it.

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16/11/2011 8:12 pm  
"burroughs" wrote:
Anything to do with Mr. Crowley?

Moderated on my own site! The shame…

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16/11/2011 10:28 pm  
"einDoppelganger" wrote:
"burroughs" wrote:
Anything to do with Mr. Crowley?

There is a tangential connection by virtue of the fact that some magicians have explored correspondences between the fictions of writers such as Lovecraft, Machen, and others; with writings of Crowley. The overlap of metafiction and magick has been a topic of interest within some circles of Thelema and on this site as well.

Therefore an amusing (if not unlikely) theory regarding an ancient self aware ephalopod does fit neatly into the "stuff" category as a fun diversion. I don't think the link is meant to be taken too seriously. Try and enjoy it.

Welcome to LAShTAL.

Not to be taken too seriously: is there a Philip K. Dick - Crowley connection, too?

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16/11/2011 11:28 pm  

There is a direct connection in as much that Lawrence Sutin has written biographies of both Crowley and Dick. According to Sutin, Phillip K Dick had an interest in Crowley despite his disdain for the tropes of "occultism."

While you suggest your question is "Not to be taken seriously," lets look at another tier of connectivity between the two by virtue of the nature and themes of the work.

Consider Dick's "gnostic" experiences which are analogous to Crowley's reception of TBOTL. This connectivity between the inspired state of the author and common themes and questions raised by their body of work is what draws many to find points of reference between the work of Machen, Lovecraft, and Crowley. While the aforementioned 3 were contemporaries Dick was a mid to late 20th century artist. Dick did, however , come from the California science fiction scene which was deeply entwined with the occult movement in the USA by connections as varied as L Ron Hubbard, Jack Parsons, and Forrest Ackerman.

So yes, there are connections on multiple levels.


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16/11/2011 11:30 pm  
"lashtal" wrote:
"Satan'sAdvocaat" wrote:
Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn.

That's easy for you to say!

😉

I would probably relate this thread to Crowley by way of the Cuttlefish which are Cephalopods and comprise a good portion of the sea catch harvested just outside of Cefalù/Cephalodium. Most Cephalopods have 8 Appendages and as the Octagram Star of Chaos that's just one Arm more than the Heptagram Star of the A.·.A.·.

Cephalopods are masters of camouflage, a technique used by AC in his travels to dress, behave and generally conform to the local native residents he was visiting to guarantee his safety and ease. But anyway, getting back to the quotes above by Paul and Satan'sAdvocaat, I wanted to share RAW's humourous letter preamble, that I may "keep the lasagna flying" on his behalf and in behalf of this threads subject while we are having a little fun here:


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17/11/2011 4:08 pm  

Thanks for this, Gregory. Its very enlightening.....I think.

Ah, the Priory of Sion, eh ? Good to see that we are back on firm, historically-based, factual ground... 😕


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17/11/2011 5:13 pm  
"lashtal" wrote:
"burroughs" wrote:
Anything to do with Mr. Crowley?

Moderated on my own site! The shame…

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Far from me from moderating anyone, especially the one who put up such a great website. I really love Lashtal and I admire your posts. It was just a question, and a sincere one. I am really ignorant regarding Crowley and was wondering if Chtulhu or HPL are in any way connected to the Beast.

Thank you.

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17/11/2011 5:19 pm  
"einDoppelganger" wrote:
There is a direct connection in as much that Lawrence Sutin has written biographies of both Crowley and Dick. According to Sutin, Phillip K Dick had an interest in Crowley despite his disdain for the tropes of "occultism."

While you suggest your question is "Not to be taken seriously," lets look at another tier of connectivity between the two by virtue of the nature and themes of the work.

Consider Dick's "gnostic" experiences which are analogous to Crowley's reception of TBOTL. This connectivity between the inspired state of the author and common themes and questions raised by their body of work is what draws many to find points of reference between the work of Machen, Lovecraft, and Crowley. While the aforementioned 3 were contemporaries Dick was a mid to late 20th century artist. Dick did, however , come from the California science fiction scene which was deeply entwined with the occult movement in the USA by connections as varied as L Ron Hubbard, Jack Parsons, and Forrest Ackerman.

So yes, there are connections on multiple levels.

Thank you for answering my question, that I asked out of curiosity, but weren't Dick's gnostic experiences (real or assumed) of a quasi-Christian nature? Very different from AC's reception of TBOTL, IMHO.

Uhmmmm.....


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17/11/2011 5:52 pm  
"burroughs" wrote:
but weren't Dick's gnostic experiences (real or assumed) of a quasi-Christian nature? Very different from AC's reception of TBOTL, IMHO.

93!

In any case both men were trying to figure out what their revelation really meant until the rest of their life without ever reaching a final conclusion. Both have been heavily experimenting with drugs. And both were convinced that the message they received was sent by higher intelligences.

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17/11/2011 5:53 pm  
"burroughs" wrote:
weren't Dick's gnostic experiences (real or assumed) of a quasi-Christian nature? Very different from AC's reception of TBOTL, IMHO.

Uhmmmm.....

Both men's lives were shaped by key moments that represented a piercing of "the veil." The similarity goes beyond the religious trappings in which the experience may be dressed.


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17/11/2011 9:48 pm  
"Satan'sAdvocaat" wrote:
Thanks for this, Gregory. Its very enlightening.....I think.

Ah, the Priory of Sion, eh ? Good to see that we are back on firm, historically-based, factual ground... 😕

If memory serves me correctly, I believe this research (1988ev) was spawned by a passage in Kenneth Grant's book, Outside the Circles of Time wherein Grant quotes the Russian occultist Nicholas Roerich in relation to the "secret door" of Liber AL:

In the foothills of the Himalaya are many caves, and it is said from these caves subterranean passages proceed far below Kinchinjunga. Some have even seen the stone door which has never been opened, because the date has not arrived.

This stone is known as the Stone of Chintamani. It has been suggested that Rennes-le-Chateau may also house a "doorway unto the invisible" in a similar way, a gateway if you will, to another dimension - part of a grid of ley line vortexes and interdimensional portals. Not excluding the perceptions of Lovecraft, Crowley, Grant and others, science itself too has presented theories along these lines - anomalies such as the black hole and time/space warps - stargates. I'm not entirely clear whose "history" you refer to Satan'sAdvocaat, but I can say 99% of what we today tag as written "history" is about as fact worthy as AC's Confessions as a viable history text book. At any rate, for the record, I view most of this as thought provoking at best.


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18/11/2011 8:03 pm  

The Shining Trapezohedron often compared to the Stone of Chintamani

The Shining Trapezohedron is an artifact in the fictional Cthulhu mythos of H.P. Lovecraft, described in The Haunter of the Dark. It was discovered in Egyptian ruins, in a box of alien construction, by Professor Enoch Bowen before he returned to Providence, Rhode Island in 1844. Members of the Starry Wisdom Cult in Providence would awaken The Haunter of the Dark, an aspect of Nyarlathotep, by gazing into the glowing crystal. Summoned from the black gulfs of chaos, this being could show other worlds, other galaxies, and the secrets of arcane and paradoxical knowledge; but he demanded monstrous sacrifices, hinted at by disfigured skeletons that were later found in the church. The Haunter of the Dark was banished by light, and could not cross a lighted area.

The Shining Trapezohedron is a window on all space and time. It was created on dark Yuggoth and brought to Earth by the Old Ones, where it was placed in its box Aeons before the first human beings. It has further history in Atlantis and with the Pharaohs of Egypt, until finally it was unearthed and brought to New England.

This haunting tale can be read here, enjoy if you will:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Haunter_of_the_Dark


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