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06/12/2019 12:30 pm  

" As previously noted ( There is no way around it or through it. There is no thing that can be said or reasoned in these matters that is not going to end up in a confused state. Give it up ! It is only by doing without effort that understanding will come. Except for primordial Taoism, all philosophies and religions have some designated conditions or special settings into which the practitioner inserts himself, or herself, as the case might be. )

The special setting of the Bhagavad Gita presents a confused and despondent Arjuna…

All divine discussions, such as that held between Arjuna and Krishna, fall under the concept called the Secondary Clear Light by the Tibetans wherein a “ meaningful dialog takes place along with the perception that tis ecstatic apprehension is occurring to oneself. “
This experience involves a certain state of conceptual lucidity, wherein both the mystical non-self and the mystical self are experienced - simultaneously. "

The Seven Secret Chiefs and The Dark Ages by NotaRajah
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06/12/2019 10:43 pm  
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The Dark Ages by NotaRajah

Why are you quoting that destructive NotaRajah? Everyone knows he's dancing away the universe, so nothing he writes will stand up to mental anal-ysis.


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07/12/2019 1:18 am  

@michaelstayley

Why?
Seems a bit over-the-top to me. Or do you reserve the same fate for anyone who expresses reservations about Crowley?

 

You mean reservations about the reception of  Liber Al don't you?  Interesting that you didn't address the issue direct.   

@kidneyhawk

We are presently awaiting the forthcoming volume on the Paranormal but I see Richard's aim as the exact opposite of the Black Lodge(s).

So as Jamie Barter says he must be proclaiming  Magus status?   He is challenging the Word of the Aeon.    This fast track 'paranormal' technique to attain to the HGA or beyond smacks of a new age confidence trick. 

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07/12/2019 2:53 am  
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This fast track ... technique

Remember the following:

"The Shortcut to Initiation" (G.'.B.'.G.'. / Choronzon Club).

"Come in here and See the Serpent Eat its Tail" (The Wake World).

"... or any person soever, may claim the grade of Magister Templi simply by taking the Oath of that grade" (One Star in Sight).

Here's the only one that makes sense (to me):

"Initiation is the shortcut Across the Spirals of Evolution."
This one defines the short path and the long path.

"How long is the short path?" asked Eddie Murphy in The Golden Child.

The aged lama answers, "One Lifetime."

"How long is the long path?" asked Eddie.

The lama said, "Ten Thousand Lifetimes!"

The long path is "normal" evolution; the short path is initiation - it involves taking each spiral of the journey in a single jump. Do this a few times and arrive home safely.

Taking the whole quantum in a single leap may end in madness. Please historically review folks who did this in the past 100 years or so.

 


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07/12/2019 10:43 am  
Posted by: @dom

So as Jamie Barter says he must be proclaiming  Magus status?   He is challenging the Word of the Aeon.    This fast track 'paranormal' technique to attain to the HGA or beyond smacks of a new age confidence trick. 

In what way is Cole "challenging the Word of the Aeon"?

Why don't you wait for the appearance (or, perhaps more likely, non-appearance) of the "Horus toy" before pronouncing it a "new age confidence trick"? Personally I think that the "Horus toy" and its predecessor, the Appendix, are akin to Billy Bunter's postal order - always in the post but never arriving - but my horrific cynicism might not be justified.


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07/12/2019 11:26 am  

@dom

More to the point, perhaps: even if Cole - or anybody else, come to that - were "challenging the Word of the Aeon", what is so reprehensible about that? Is Crowley's word (geddit?) sacrosanct in your eyes?


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07/12/2019 12:10 pm  

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More to the point, perhaps: even if Cole - or anybody else, come to that - were "challenging the Word of the Aeon", what is so reprehensible about that? 

 

Nothing.  If it's done correctly.  

 

Anyway let's wait and see.....or maybe just let it blow over and move on to more substantial topics. 


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07/12/2019 12:19 pm  

@shiva

I like it, you replied without even addressing the subject of carrot childe. 

 


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07/12/2019 4:39 pm  
Posted by: @dom

Nothing.  If it's done correctly.

How might it be "done correctly"?


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07/12/2019 4:58 pm  

Michael, let Cole publish the toy details and the rest and then we can come back to this.  


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07/12/2019 6:03 pm  
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Michael, let Cole publish the toy details and the rest and then we can come back to this.  

What on earth have "the toy details and the rest" to do with the Word of the Aeon?


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07/12/2019 6:43 pm  

Shiva: "I have no firm opinion about Osho simply because I have not read any of his material, and I am biased in that I consider him to be one in a long line of greasy swamis (Crowley's term) who paraded through (or settled down in) the western world."

Quotes from an interview with Osho's British-born personal physician (who was a member of Osho’s inner circle, who was one of the few people with Osho when he died, and who currently serves as vice-chair of the Osho International Foundation, a Switzerland-based nonprofit which owns all of Bhagwan’s (now called Osho’s) intellectual property and continues to run a vast meditation resort in Pune):

"... Osho’s vision was to help people become themselves. He’s not interested in creating an alternative society. He’s interested in people who go into the normal life and live beautifully[...]. In my opinion, what Einstein was to the 19th century, Osho will be to the 20th century. Instead of being about the outer cosmology, it will be about the inner cosmology. [...] What is a guru? Osho has spoken against gurus and religious leaders, and [against] this game of hierarchy and how God is the ultimate dictator and this endless business of creating middle men. He’s very precisely clear, “My whole effort is to leave you alone with no mediator.” You’re here because of your interest in meditation. You’re not here to be friends with each other. You’re not here to create some group. You’re not here because of each other, you’re here because of yourself. The bridge is single-file. So the whole idea of a cult is absolutely antithetical to everything he presents.

Then [this notion of] a sex cult, I mean … Osho’s understanding is very simple: [Sexuality is] your vital life energy. Very simple. And it’s completely natural. In order to grow spiritually, whatever you wanna call that, you cannot repress sexuality. One thing that he was very, very strong on was giving responsibility to women. That was, in a way, the most beautiful thing.[...]

Also, by the way, we haven’t mentioned the other famous subject: of course, his Rolls-Royces. He thought: In a society obsessed with stuff, I can write, I can produce 600 books on meditation and no one is interested. But Get 93 Rolls-Royces and the world will never forget. Basically, here is this nonwhite male from India who wears a robe and a funny hat, and drives around the city where everyone wears red and doesn’t get paid, they’re all vegetarians with no interest in the family or private property, right in the middle of cowboy country — you could see how the inevitable game unfolds. But by having cars, and driving these cars, and having 93 of them in the country which has the biggest and the best — you know, ‘make America great again’ — if anyone’s going to have the most cars, we have to have the most cars. And here’s the nonwhite guy, he’s got more cars than we have. So it turns into kind of a joke about consumerism. Fantastic." [...]

I know there’s been some controversy about Osho’s death and that you were with him at the time, with some people alleging that there was foul play involved. Can you give your own account of what happened?

So I’m saying to him, “We need proper intensive care now, should I call the cardiologist?” And he says, “No, existence has its timing.” So then you’re a doctor sitting there, like “Well, the guy say no to any further medical intervention and it’s his body and one thing he’s always been quite clear about, everyone has a right to their own body, no one else has any right to interfere.” When people go, “Someone must have killed him,” it’s like, that’s such crap.

(Source: The Cut[.] BEHIND THE SCENES APR. 24, 2018 Bhagwan’s Doctor Gives His Take on Wild Wild Country By Anna Silman - - - https://www.thecut.com/2018/04/bhagwans-doctor-gives-his-take-on-wild-wild-country.html )

As for the rumour that “Someone must have killed him [= Osho]”, Osho's British-born personal physician, (from 20:08 in the following version of OSHO International's 'OSHO: I Leave You My Dream' - - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYe34M2T_g8 ) when asking Osho just before his death on his deathbed "What I should say to you all", was told by Osho to tell you that "... since his days in the marshal's cell in Charlotte, North Carolina, in America, his body has been deterioating. He said that in the Oklahoma jail, they poisoned him with thallium and exposed him to radiation, which we only came to know when the medical experts were consulted. He said they had poisoned him in such a way that would leave no proof. "My crippled body is the work of the Christian fundamentalists in the United States Government," he said. He said he had kept his pain to himself. "But, living in this body has become a hell.""

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07/12/2019 8:44 pm  

WRWB, I just typed a very long reply, and it was wiped out with the "Undo" button doing Nothing. Maybe I'll try again later.


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07/12/2019 9:27 pm  

Thanks anyway Shiva! To avoid any "wiped out" experience(-s) akin to the one you just mentioned,  I always write, edit and save my postings on a document separate from this site, before any posting from on this site. 


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07/12/2019 11:08 pm  

@michealstayley

More to the point, perhaps: even if Cole - or anybody else, come to that - were "challenging the Word of the Aeon", what is so reprehensible about that? 

 

DOM: Nothing.  If it's done correctly.  

 

Yes, I'd also like to hear more about how it is to done "correctly." Your statement, Dom, has nothing to do with whether or not RTC does anything. You clearly stated that there is a "correct way to challenge the Word of the Aeon." Would you kindly tell us what this is?


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07/12/2019 11:30 pm  
Posted by: @kidneyhawk

You clearly stated that there is a "correct way to challenge the Word of the Aeon." Would you kindly tell us what this is?

Maybe he means by announcing a new Aeon, and arbitrarily declaring the original Aeon and its word as being subordinate to the heterodox Aeon, which would have its own word(s) and formula(e)? But I can only speculate.

I wonder if, thousands of years from now, some dionysian monks will go trundling around the black beaches of sludge seas, recounting the great Thelemic heresies.


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07/12/2019 11:39 pm  

Djedi-

The thing is...in his recent booklet, RTC has not remotely suggested that he is a Magus, announcing a New Aeon or anything like that. His basic premise is that the Aeon of Horus is just beginning to gather wind and get off the ground. He looks at some trends and realities which seem to reflect this and suggests the Aeon of Horus will play its own significant role in the evolution of the human being. He then hints at his own discovery in this direction.

Crowley, of course, spoke of how Magi would arise after him (WITHIN the Aeon of Horus). They would proclaim their own word but those words would be in harmony with his own, for he was the first of the Horusian Magi. 

The idea of challenging the Word of the Aeon (and doing so "correctly") comes from Dom alone.


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08/12/2019 12:28 am  
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

 I always write, edit and save my postings on a document separate from this site, before any posting from on this site. 

Right. I've been there and done that. The new software is so smooth that I felt such precautions were not necessary.

What I wanted to say, cut down here to its minimum is ...

All gurus, systems, and Orders, including Osho, Scientology, EST, OTO, GD, etc, are based on a philosophy or curriculum that sounds wonderful. They even provide techniques that work, for a lesser or greater period of time. But none of them have a technique or practice that leads to "liberation." That has to be accomplished by the individual aspirant, in a self-reliant state.

Whatever happens in these Outer Orders is dependent on who's running the circus and what the do. That's all.

 

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

Yes, I'd also like to hear more about how it is to done "correctly."

Um, this is the Examples of The Black Lodge thread. I believe these quotes are leaking in from one of the many RTC threads.

In any case ... Of course it has to be "done correctly," or it won't work. Since this Aeon Word thing is performed by a Magus, it's hardly possible to define "how to do it," or to even judge if anyone has done it "correctly" or if they have failed miserably ... except maybe to wait a looonngg time and see if they were right. Nobody posting here has that time alloted to them; it'll have to be our offspring's great grand-children (or further down the timeline) who can begin to make such judgements.

(More RTC analysis takes place; more off-topic discussion follows). Are we, or any one of us, now questioning whether RTC is playing Black Lodge?

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08/12/2019 12:38 am  

Shiva,

Not sure if you are understanding what I was asking Dom or if you just glossed over the sundry related posts and are commenting in general regarding the particular. 

I'm not asking how one CORRECTLY utters a word. I am asking Dom what he is on about with stating that it is OK to CHALLENGE a/the Word of an Aeon IF it (the CHALLENGING) is done "correctly." 

 

 

 


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08/12/2019 12:39 am  

(More RTC analysis takes place; more off-topic discussion follows). Are we, or any one of us, now questioning whether RTC is playing Black Lodge?

Bear in mind, it is our friend Dom who suggested that RTC might be an example of this Black Lodge business...hence, our present digression, if that is what it is.

 

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08/12/2019 1:37 am  
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Bear in mind, it is our friend Dom who suggested that RTC might be an example of this Black Lodge business...hence, our present digression, if that is what it is.

No, in that case it is not a digression. It means we are getting down to business in the here-and-now, in relation to a proposition that is before us, right now.

Like my ignorance of Osho's philosophy (although I watched the Oregon circus on TV and read about it in the papers), I am not in a position to start impeachment, er, proceedings against RTC without reading his book. Make that book(s), since two volumes are forthcoming, maybe, next annum. On the surface, he does not appear to be making a lot of (any?) money off his efforts. If, at any time, it becomes apparent that he is applying spiritual force toward material ends, then I will sign the petition being sent to the Inquisition.

So far, although it's been a grand game of hyper-hype and bewildering puzzles, I have not yet seen indications requiring The Black Lodge label.

 


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08/12/2019 2:12 am  

@kidneyhawk and Michaelstayley

 

I concede that if Cole says he accepts the Aeon of Horus..... therefore in that respect he would appear not to be  a Black Lodger yes.

However there are two puzzling factors at work.  One, his controversial statements  (on top of his previous attempts to 'prove' that Liber Al was a calculated fabrication) that the Aeon of Horus would've happened without AC and that AC's Libers were inadequate (?) strongly suggests that his elevated (or self-aggrandizing?) stance is one of  'move over Crowley I'll do a better job and explain it all to the people instead (and by the way I've condensed all of your inadequate Libers into a simple method of insta-Illumination via a 'Horus toy')'.    

This all suggests that he is challenging/advancing/augmenting the singular Word of the Aeon of Horus does it not?   Maybe he is part of that process and his methods are sound.  Like I said to Michael earlier I can't really discuss it any further until the secret 'toy'/method is released...………..  but why entice and then defensively hold back the info?   Is that right i.e. correct?

 

 


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08/12/2019 1:59 pm  

Shiva: "... none of them [All gurus, systems, and Orders] have a technique or practice that leads to "liberation." That has to be accomplished by the individual aspirant, in a self-reliant state.

Whatever happens in these Outer Orders is dependent on who's running the circus and what the[y] do. That's all."

Amen to that, which does not appear to be contradicted by the already mentioned quote from Osho's British-born personal physician, about said Osho: 

"... Osho’s vision was to help people become themselves. He’s not interested in creating an alternative society. [...] “My whole effort is to leave you alone with no mediator.” You’re here [adhering to Osho’s vision] because of your interest in meditation. You’re not here to be friends with each other. You’re not here to create some group. You’re not here because of each other, you’re here because of yourself. The bridge is single-file."

(The statement about the bridge being single-file according to Osho's vision, appears to correspond to AC's A.'.A.'., where "... members officially only know those directly above and below in the chain of instruction (source: A∴A∴ - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%E2%88%B4A%E2%88%B4 ).") 


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08/12/2019 6:13 pm  
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I concede that if Cole says he accepts the Aeon of Horus.....

This is the same as accepting dogma. The Aeon of Horus is a human, mental fabrication, just like the astrology and mythology it is based on.

I have not yet accepted that Liber AL was a conscious, mental fabrication on Crowley's part, or even that The Aeon of Horus does not closely approximate the prevailing conditions in our world. But frankly, Osiris, Horus, Thoth, and all those other "gods" were men, Their histories have been refined and embellished, resulting in mythopoeia ("myth making"). Says so in the scriptures.

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This all suggests that he is challenging/advancing/augmenting the singular Word of the Aeon of Horus does it not?

Not.

Posted by: @dom

I can't really discuss it any further until the secret 'toy'/method is released.

Right. Sound thinking. Impeccable logic.

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but why entice and then defensively hold back the info?

Marketing. Drag it out - gain "name recognition" as listed by yourself. A history of game playing. Pulling your chain. Take your choice.

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

Amen to that, which does not appear to be contradicted by the already mentioned quote from Osho's British-born personal physician, about said Osho

Said physician's words may be interesting, but they are hearsay. Plus, said doc was a member of "The Inner Circle." We would have had to have been there to know the truth of anything ...

"Let him credit nothing that does not lie within the realm of his own experience."
- Liber E or O, or some other vowel.

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

He’s not interested in creating an alternative society.

But he did, anyway, didn't he (Oregon Ranch)? Then the established Establishment of neighbors and righteous indignants (not to be confused with Ignant) busted up the circus and ran Osho out of town. There were terrible tales of atrocious acts performed by people who were "becoming themselves" at said Oregon Ranch. It really didn't go to well. But who am I to say? I don't even own one rolls Royce.

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“My whole effort is to leave you alone with no mediator.”

Good. Very idealistic. Very True. Too bad "he" could not provide the inner link that can only be established by the individual aspirant ... after (self) graduation.

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"The bridge is single-file."

Right. So how many people crossed that Rainbow Bridge out of the hundreds or thousands who attended said Ranch? Or attended Osho elsewhere?

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

The statement about the bridge being single-file according to Osho's vision, appears to correspond to AC's A.'.A.'.,

His vision (one on one) does not correspond to herds of people engaged in outer order antics on a Ranch.

 


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